Man, I think about this stuff all the time.

48-hour oral contraceptives for males would be the immediate goal It'd be the least "offensive" measure against God presumably.

I'll tell ya what might happen in this dystopian future: In some states, you'd begin to see the rise of "institutions", where pregnant woman who were searching for illegal abortionists or showed cause that they wanted one are held during the term of their pregnancy & are forced to give birth to the child. The dystopian government would then likely revoke all parental rights of the unfit parent, giving rise to a generation of children who are raised in underfunded, state run orphanages where the teaching of the Bible is the primary k-12 curriculum.

That may sound like paranoid ramblings but the above question pertained to a supposedly sci-fi-ish "dystopia."

Make the morning after pill free and easier to receive? The issue you'll have with this dystopian future is that if the Sean Hannity types take over, this easy access to the pill, morning after pill and other forms of contraceptives will be seen as an "ALL GO" for every teenager to have sex when they should be saving themselves for marriage. There will be a front against contraceptives as well, therefore raising the single mother birth rate.

I completely agree with Art on this..

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If you're Pro-Choice, do you turn down the position in protest leaving vulnerable women in the hands that brought forth the policy or do you collaborate with the enemy to be in a position of power to represent a more moderate view?

Oh, I'd FULL-ON take the position & even help write the laws, making them as soft as possible with a ton of loopholes.

I can't find it but there was a fantastically sad & scary youtube video a while back that featured a reporter at a Pro-Life rally asking protesters one question, "If abortion were illegal, what should happen to the women who broke the law?". One would expect that you'd hear a stream of religious nonsense but, soberingly, most of the people asked said, "I don't know. I never thought about that."

Awesome. I found it:

Man... I would love to hear what was going inside the head of that last lady in the video.  Kinda pointless, since it's already written all over her face.

You know, it always cracks me up when I hear people cry out against "Progressive" thinking because the natural antithesis to that would be "Regressive" thinking. So all this noise coming from dogmatic Conservatives against progress of any sort is akin to that of a caveman who'd left the cave, freaked out, decided the sun was evil & went back inside to worship passing shadows.

This a slight tangent but the lengths people go to in order to pretend that jerking off isn't something virtually everybody does on a regular basis kind of amazes me.

Well, if you want to initiate a "We Are The Wanking 99%" march of recognition, I'm in. Though, we'll likely have a sleepy contingent of fellow marchers.

This is a moot issue. It serves the elites interests in continual population control.

Wow well what can I say to that to appease you. This issue is a political football at this point its not real.

Again look at the raw numbers of what its wrought. How many will be on Social Security by 2044? Not paying into it actually on it.

The 1% not anything more. Abortion is merely one tool. Monsanto and GMO foods are more effective end games.

I support freedom of abortion mind you but I see more going on thats all.

Oh this bullshit.

I knew JD was insane, but wow.

Me, I would push for actual sex education at the middle school level.  None of this abstinence shit.  You make sex the forbidden fruit, like drugs, tobacco and alcohol, what do you think kids will want to do?  Have sex.

Show them videos of birth.  Show them birth defects.  Show them STDs and what they can do to you.  Show them the types of a contraceptives available. Show them how much it costs to raise a child.   This will help put a decent foundation of "common sense" in a teenagers brains that will hopefully stay with them for their lifetime. 

I would also push for birth control pills to become easily available.  Get rid of the doctor prescription and make them available over the counter at any pharmacy. 

on another note, I just find it so wierd, the GOP goes after Obama for his ideas on government funded health care... saying that GOVERNMENT AND HEALTH CARE SHOULD NEVER BE ONE.  Yet, they push for the Government to limit medical procedures, like abortion and stem cell research.  Is it me, or is that nuts?

A new US Army comprised of Infant Soldiers?

This thread is wack

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Imagine that guy, punching Sadam square in the kisser.  Army of infants = Iraq war done in 16 hours.

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3. Reproduction capabilities are deactivated at birth and you must get permission from the government to have offspring.

 

Now we're getting somewhere. 

This thread makes me uncomfortable. And I find myself in agreement with JD. 

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Yet, they push for the Government to limit medical procedures, like abortion and stem cell research.  Is it me, or is that nuts?

Clearly you are underestimating the nuanced and compassionate views of the current GOP. Insert emoticon conveying sarcasm.

Females are screened at birth for fertility and raised at a farm for breeding.  Their hips and birth canals are genetically altered with hormone therapy so they can have dozens of children and have easier child births.   At the age of 16, they are auctioned off to breeders for the sole purpose of having babies.  All other females have their eggs extracted at birth and are sold to the super wealthy as a new type of caviar.  

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Since we're projecting into a hypothetical future, I was hoping for more "out there" alternatives, such as:

1. The creation of the Baby Corps., a national volunteer organization that would allow conservative women to put their uteruses where their mouths are and carry a transplanted unwanted fetus to term.

Volunteering would never happen. Carrying a fetus to term requires more work (and selfessness) than holding up Anti-Abortion signs & "praying". The only way it'd happen is if women were paid, then we'd likely see a generation of young women who'd payed a chunk of their college tuition by carrying a baby to term. Naturally, neither the woman or the baby will get much medical care because, of course, that'd be socialism. These "birth" mothers would be commodities traded by private sector corporations.

2. Unwanted fetuses are incubated in artificial wombs.

Sure, but once the lease is up after 9 months, they're on their own. Then it's off to the lowest bidding Corporate/Government run orphanage.

3. Reproduction capabilities are deactivated at birth and you must get permission from the government to have offspring.

Faith in whatever form of Christianity is prevalent among the ruling class would be the prerequisite. Hispanics will be breeded out almost completely in the US in 50 years. The black population will hover around 8% in the same period.

Jesus. I was merely being honest. I believe there are a select few out there that think of people as sheep and actively encourage soft kill methods.

Wasn't meaning to derail the thread. I will answer Barry with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

I just think he needs a puppy

I feel bad that I have nothing to add to this but I've been stuck on a sports forum for the last 3 months because this site crashed internet explorer anytime I got on it and I have to say, thank you. Threads like this are why I love Chud. Please tell us more though Johnny D.

Two quick points:

1) The "1%" are not a monolithic demographic.  The vast majority of millionaires are normal people, with normal moral compasses, and aren't any more prone to involvement in surreptitious conspiracy than anyone else.

2) The most insidious wealthy political operatives like, say, the Koch brothers, are pro-life supporters!  How does JD explain that?

There's not really a good explanation, because the very idea that there's some sort of small select elite out there that's utilizing abortion as some sort of population control is deeply rooted in rather silly conspiracy theories. It's NWO type bunk, and seems to actually be rather unaware of the sheer trials that the Pro-Life movement actually faces in this country.

Now back on track for the thread. If I was put in charge of the Department of Life and asked to come up with alternatives to Abortion in an amazingly Conservative enviroment? I'd resign.

I guess i've been a bit scattershot and elusive in this thread the Georgia guide stones deal is out there for sure but points to something if true is quite disturbing and thats why I posted it its something I have thought about.

As for abortion again as I said in my very first post in this thread its a moot issue and in my second post its not the tool for population control but merely a tool a part of the equation.

I'm not standing on a box screaming i'm right and saying you're all wrong i'm just injecting my own thoughts in this thread. If that caused anyone heartache or offense I assure you that was not my intent at all.

Discussion to me is a healthy thing. I am merely discussing whats on my mind in relation to the issues here upon this thread.

To continue. To respond to Barry first I appreciate your sincerity in this thread it helps me to discuss this topic. Do I feel chewers and humanity is at risk as you say? Well can't say for sure that I do but I wonder if that is the case honestly.

If you look at say http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1939256/is_john_holdren_obamas_dr_strangelove.html?cat=9 this brings up a multitude of questions. However I can link to dozens more that do the same.

http://www.sciscoop.com/2006-4-3-142612-0376.html

http://www.forum.militaryltd.com/military-press/m20227-dr-pianka-kill-90-human-race

In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.

* Prince Philip, in his Foreward to If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=27550

Bill Gates says vaccines can help reduce world population

http://www.naturalnews.com/029911_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html

Ted Turner: World Needs a ‘Voluntary’ One-Child Policy for the Next Hundred Years - Billion Eugenicist Confronted on Calls for 95% Population Reduction

http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=294

Jacques Cousteau

http://robodoon.com/unesco.htm

Rockefeller, eugenics and mass murder

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/UN_Rockefeller_Genocide.html

In answer to Judd's 2 points.

1) The Links above give you a good indication of who I speak of. Do I think all of the 1% are like them? No. I wonder how many feel the same way though.

2) I think its true maybe the Koch brothers are true believers in their own cause however maybe they are not. I can't speak about them or on behalf of them. I certainly won't stand up for extremist right wing kooks I can only speak on my own here.

Conspiracy is such a loaded word but one has to wonder what some of this means. Is there some sort of crazy rich totem pole these people all sit around and discuss this stuff? Or is it pure bullshit.

I don't know but I think its troubling. Politics in its pure form is power and personally I don't think companies or people who own them like say British Petroleum care that they destroyed the gulf coast region for decades possibly a century. Is it conspiracy to be greedy or to consolidate power?

I don't know i'm not trying to ram my thoughts or opinions on anyone i'm just throwing something on stage that I think should be looked at.

Move along by all means at your leisure. Think what you will.

I'm all for the 1 child rule.  I see many people who are just pumping kids out like a damn Rabbit.  I understand children are awesome, and there is nothing better then holding a small baby in your arms, but when you think about it, people who have multiple kids are selfish, IMO.  My wife and I, have chosen to have only 1 child.  We agree the world is over populated, and we rather give our 1 child all the opportunities in life, then to have him make sacrifices because we feel we need more children.  

Drives me NUTS when I hear my dip shit, super Christian cousin talk about having at least 5 kids.  I asked him why he wants so many, and he claims he is going the Lords work by having multiple children, adding more to God's flock.  I just think if your only reason to have more children is to appease your Deity, you need to have your balls removed.  I understand it's a touchy subject, and I think it's awesome that I have brothers and a sister... but looking at the chart of population growth over the past 100 years, we are heading for something very bad.  The planet can only sustain a certain amount and I feel we have already passed that.  But with the Christians having such control over the country, a one child provision will never happen.  

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I'm all for the 1 child rule.  I see many people who are just pumping kids out like a damn Rabbit.  I understand children are awesome, and there is nothing better then holding a small baby in your arms, but when you think about it, people who have multiple kids are selfish, IMO.  My wife and I, have chosen to have only 1 child.  We agree the world is over populated, and we rather give our 1 child all the opportunities in life, then to have him make sacrifices because we feel we need more children.  

 

Drives me NUTS when I hear my dip shit, super Christian cousin talk about having at least 5 kids.  I asked him why he wants so many, and he claims he is going the Lords work by having multiple children, adding more to God's flock.  I just think if your only reason to have more children is to appease your Deity, you need to have your balls removed.  I understand it's a touchy subject, and I think it's awesome that I have brothers and a sister... but looking at the chart of population growth over the past 100 years, we are heading for something very bad.  The planet can only sustain a certain amount and I feel we have already passed that.  But with the Christians having such control over the country, a one child provision will never happen.  

Limits on reproductive choice aren't contained solely to the abortion debate and I find it silly and somewhat offensive that people have no problem advocating abortion but seem to think it's alright for mandates on the amount of children one can have. Overpopulation is only a problem because of the industrialized and consumer driven first world where waste and exploitation is encouraged due to profit motivations and even cultural and social values. Maybe we should start licensing those who want to have any children? Perhaps you should have to undergo tests and be judged against various criteria to be permitted to have your one child? Like it or not, that's the next logical step on your 1 child mandate.

I'm one of the staunchest pro-choice advocates you will find but from a personal, moral standpoint I don't believe in abortion as a form of birth control. Not when the education and technology is available to prevent unwanted and unplanned pregnancies. If those on the Pro-Life side were really concerned about abortion (which they aren't) and not moral regulation of sex they'd be fine with better sex education, better access to contraception and a host of alternatives to abortion.
 

I can respect your opinion. Giving my wife and I as an example we plan on having at least 2, hopefully 3. Why? We want a big family. No big guy in the sky telling us to do this, we just want it.

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Limits on reproductive choice aren't contained solely to the abortion debate and I find it silly and somewhat offensive that people have no problem advocating abortion but seem to think it's alright for mandates on the amount of children one can have. Overpopulation is only a problem because of the industrialized and consumer driven first world where waste and exploitation is encouraged due to profit motivations and even cultural and social values. Maybe we should start licensing those who want to have any children? Perhaps you should have to undergo tests and be judged against various criteria to be permitted to have your one child? Like it or not, that's the next logical step on your 1 child mandate.

 

 

 

The population is nearing 10 billion, look at any of the charts for population growth.  On average, there are a million births every 4 days, the world is only so big... resources are only so available.  

In 100 years, what are we going to do when we are nearing 20 billion, 30 billion, 40 billion.  Sorry, we don't want to infringe on people's rights to reproduce, even though there is not enough clean water and food to nourish them.  

And considering all the people I read about, and have seen, who have children just to get a tax deduction and credit every year... maybe we should license it.  Fuck, you need a license in my state to bread dogs, you need a license to go hunting.  We seem to care more about animals and there well being, then some inner city woman who has 4 different kids with 4 different guys.  Who cares that she can't feed them on her own, and the state has to give her food stamps... who cares that they live in a one bedroom apartment in a drug ridden neighborhood... we can't infringe on their rights to have kids.  

Moonbase, I totaly understand where you are coming from.  Sometimes I feel the same way... 

It is such a touchy subject... and I hate to even say "yes, we need to limit the rights of the people" because 99% I want it the exact opposite way.  This is just a case, where I don't know what the world is going to do 100 years, or even 50 years from now. 

Let me be clear too, I am in no way judging or ripping on anyone who has more then one child (excluding my fascist cousin and people who have kids for government handouts).  I just feel that the world leaders are ignoring this issue, and it may be something that we address after it's too late.  SOLYENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Moonbase, I totaly understand where you are coming from.  Sometimes I feel the same way... 

It is such a touchy subject... and I hate to even say "yes, we need to limit the rights of the people" because 99% I want it the exact opposite way.  This is just a case, where I don't know what the world is going to do 100 years, or even 50 years from now. 

 

I suspect we'll face a Malthusian crunch before then.  I'm neither a die-hard environmentalist, nor someone who fears the end of the world but the facts are the facts.  At the rate we're going, there will be huge shortages of fresh water in the next 30 years, affecting hundreds of millions if not billions of people worldwide.  The pressure we're putting on fresh water supplies, and its affect on the rural populations of China and India, are only compounded by climate change.  Add to that plummeting wild fish stocks, and the ever looming risk of an epidemic, and think it's going to be a fascinating century.

Everybody should go read up on David Icke at wikipedia. England's very own Harold Camping-style whackjob.

Conspiracy Theory Catch-All, huh?

How about the upcoming Martial Law Preparedness Exhibition?  If we even have an election in 2012 depending on the way the chips fall we may hear this again before Jan 20, 2013.