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Time for a bit of levity.

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post #602 of 1137

I miss Princess Kate.

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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

 I made a conscious effort not to post one video in my 12 posts on that page.


Is posting videos a compulsion for you?  I know it is for me!

 

Anyway, while I don't mind people posting videos, it is a problem for a lot of people who are reading the site from work.  By the time they actually get home, the thread has usually ballooned and moved on from it.  Some more conscious effort towards actually using our own words (instead of videos or a wall of copy-pasted text from elsewhere) seems preferable here.  That doesn't mean you have to type up a wall of text yourself or cover every single issue a video covers.  Just a casual distillation of the main points instead of a robotic/binary response would do.  After all, aren't most of us here because we somewhat enjoy each other's company online?  

 

I also don't think Lauren's use of question marks is out of line for a message board, where the style of writing is usually more conversational than 'literary.'  

 

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Just a casual distillation of the main points instead of a robotic/binary response would do.  After all, aren't most of us here because we somewhat enjoy each other's company online?  

That's why I'm here, and that's as good a call as any for us all to keep it civil.
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

Nevertheless, I'm not going to let you or anyone else dictate how I post.



...and that's why many of the sane or non-masochistic members of the board in this thread will start ignoring you.

 

At this point I've moved past trying to work out what intellectual disconnects you have going in your head to supposedly support Pauls positions you agree with while ignoring the massive supposed disparities the two of you have on other issues - I've even given up trying to work out if you do actually agree with Pauls more odious ideological positions and are simply being too intellectually dishonest to admit it because you know we'd go to town on you.

 

Nup at this point Barry, I couldn't give a shit because all you do is duck and weave offer bullet points that tell us nothing, youtube videos we won't watch and now hyper-defensiveness when you're being properly called on it after a dozen fucking pages.

 

This is your bed you've made for yourself here mate, no one else.

post #606 of 1137
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I miss Princess Kate.



Where did she go? 

post #607 of 1137

Driven away by psycho nutters sending her threatening PMs. 

post #608 of 1137

Oh. That's weird and a shame. 

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Edited by Barry Woodward - 4/9/14 at 8:21pm
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How about fuck off?

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Edited by Barry Woodward - 4/9/14 at 8:22pm
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Foreshame. I'll keep having to post these then won't I?

 

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Edited by Barry Woodward - 4/9/14 at 8:21pm
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what's the big deal with question mark usage?

 

Unless....has Ron Paul stumbled upon a connection between the use of certain punctuation marks with a UN/New World Order conspiracy?

 

(and by "stumbled upon" I mean "psychotically fabricated")

post #615 of 1137

Are you serious or not? I can't tell.

 

Basically a cult comes to Springfield, characters are captivated by an unseen "leader", who's minions play hypnotic videos. Soon after, the town is in the thrall of the cult - who's basic tenants are: Give us all your money and you'll go to heaven in a spaceship. At the end, the leader is revealed to be a con man.

 

But my point is, I find the behavior of Ron Paul fans to be awfully similar to the reactions of the characters in the show. I'm using it as an allegory.

post #616 of 1137

Paul should've stuck with the Promise Keepers.

post #617 of 1137

Look if everybody tells you they're not receptive to the videos, while you are talking to them, the reasonable thing is to take that into account instead of saying they're trying to change the way you communicate. It's like if I started posting in Spanish and then got mad because people pointed that as barrier to communicate with me.

 

As for the previous discussion on Paul being an isolationist, I think the wikipedia article as one of the last commenters on its talk page describes is incomplete (just look at the more complete definitions of real encyclopedias, like Britannica and Oxford Companion to US Military History *). If you feel the term non-interventionist sounds better, go ahead, but the world is loaded because I'm not trying to describe the part of his policies that doesn't want to intervine. I'm talking about his whole attitude towards the state of global politics, and his crazy conspiratorial views with regard to the United Nations which you completely ignored in my original post.

 

* Both entries which disagree with the reductionist definition in the wikipedia article.

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Edited by Barry Woodward - 4/9/14 at 8:22pm
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I'm no "micromanaging" your posts, I'm just telling you that I think your video responses are not the best way to communicate with me, and I perceived them as rude. It seems I'm not the only one. I'm not saying you need to ask me for permission, nor asking to apologize. I'm giving you feedback that your way of communication is not working when responding to me. You think that's unreasonable???

 

What do you want me to say next? Hey don't micromanage my critiques to your responses towards me? This is silly stuff ...

 

BTW, nice way to totally ignore the more important point about Paul's paranoid and conspiratorial views with regards to the United Nations.

post #620 of 1137
What we're saying is that the videos are an ineffective tool to answer the question of what you, Barry, think. Comically ineffective to me, infuriatingly ineffective to others. It looks like you're teasing, like you're initiating the conversation and then walking away from it.
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BTW, nice way to totally ignore the more important point about Paul's paranoid and conspiratorial views with regards to the United Nations.

This is appears to be a habit as well, focusing on minutiae while blowing off the essence of what people are trying to get across.
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Edited by Barry Woodward - 4/9/14 at 8:22pm
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Barry, I just want you to know, all kidding aside, I honestly admire that in the face of all this united adversity, you keep a cool head and remain, for the most part, completely respectful. So, hat's off to you. 

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He's saying impassive because he knows how fucking irritating it is, not because he's a scholar and a gentlemen. He's ducking, weaving and generally being horribly intellectually dishonest but plays the stoic debater when people call him on it.

 

I like that he's sworn to vote for Ron Paul and will not be swayed no way no how, even going so far as to talk about how much he looooves Paul's foreign policy, but then he now says he doesn't know the specifics of Paul's beliefs on the UN. Grade-A bullshit there, o Acolyte Of The Almighty Jew-Hater.

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Edited by Barry Woodward - 4/9/14 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

The only thing I know about his beliefs on the UN is that he's concerned the US is sacrificing too much of its sovereignty to it.

 


But you've been advocating his foreign policy for the last twelve pages. And yet you now say you know next to nothing about Paul's plans with regards to the UN, policy which would be a crucial plank in the framework of how Paul would relate to the rest of the world. You're full of it, man.

 

Also: Ex-Paul staffer says Paul is totally not racist or anti-Semitic, but thinks Israel shouldn't exist and that saving the Jews in WWII was none of America's business.

 

But you can ignore that, of course, because he was only Paul's senior aide for like six years or something. Just like you've ignored his newsletters publishing all sorts of horrific drivel because you take Paul's word for it that the stuff bearing his name and signature wasn't representative of his feelings.

 

post #626 of 1137

I can't tell if he's actually insane and delusional or he's a con artist. I don't think either of those options make him electable. Ron Paul's policies pretty much show he has no respect for human beings. Really, that's my main reason for not liking the man.

 

If he's a con artist, he's seen a huge amount of disenfranchised, paranoid, uneducated and gullible marks with whom he can court a large enough vote to get him out of the political quagmire he's been in for the majority of his career. Fundamentally, to me, that makes him dangerous, more so than other 'untrustworthy' politicians, because he's using that cynicism to his advantage. Whereas Santorum will wear horrible fucking opinions on his sleeve, Ron Paul worms his way around the subjects. He's selling himself dishonestly. 

 

If he does believe those things, then he's completely insane. If he came out and flatly stated on the news his real opinions in blunt language, everyone but actual lunatics would take a step back. They're not enactable in a modern world, they're the opposite of freedom and liberty - his writing points to him thinking that nobody should have any responsibility for anyone else, from government, state &  council - That's not progressive, it's the fucking wild west. The economy can not function under those rules, the most vulnerable would suffer, but that doesn't worry him, because it's not his problem - it's theirs for not having enough "personal responsibility". 

 

Another issue, which is probably quite contentious and I'm sure one that Barry will pick out of everything I write, but does bear mentioning, is that Ron Paul is 76 years old. If he won the presidency, he'd be 80 by the end of his first term and 84, if he somehow managed to get two. I just don't think that's realistic in most people's eyes and would make him the oldest ever President by a decade.

 

I think the best argument against Ron Paul lies in his own words. This blog has a fantastic breakdown of how absolutely crackpot his ideas are. I can't think of a better way to signify how fucked a country is, when someone like him can RUN FOR PRESIDENT. So, to answer the question in the thread title "Why shouldn't I vote for Ron Paul?"

 

How about this:

 

One last thing. How big is his Juggalo fanbase? Fucking huge I imagine.


Edited by SeanCE - 1/16/12 at 6:51am
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One last thing. How big is his Juggalo fanbase? Fucking huge I imagine.



Ok, that settles it. This is how I decide who to vote for from now on. Juggalo polling.

 

post #628 of 1137
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Originally Posted by BlackyShimSham View Post

Barry, I just want you to know, all kidding aside, I honestly admire that in the face of all this united adversity, you keep a cool head and remain, for the most part, completely respectful. So, hat's off to you. 

 

As someone who's been reading but not contributing to this thread I have to say I agree.
 

 

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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

 

Without knowing the specifics of why he's believes the way he does, I don't really have a response. Besides you've stacked the deck with your "paranoid and conspiratorial" label of his views. I imagine there's more nuance to them than that. I'll look into it.

 

Let me see if I get this straight, you don't have an opinion on his stances with regards to the UN because you need to study his motivations. However, I've "stacked the deck" because I called them paranoid and conspiratorial.

 

he's written legislation to get the US out of the UN for years (one article claims him saying he's done this every year).

 

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/with-mixed-results-ron-paul-tries-to-terrify-small-town-iowa.php?ref=fpa

 

He's been saying the UN wants to take our property, freedom of religion and gun rights for years (at least since the 80s)!

 

 

 

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If you want to use your property, you have to get a lot of permits. If you’re in the development business, from the low-level all the way to the top, you have to get permission from the federal government…I’m fearful because some people would like us to go all the way to the UN and have the UN controlling our lands, too.

 

 

History has proven him wrong, and to be very honest what he warns about is only really discussed within conspiratorial and paranoid circles.

BTW, searching for his positions on the UN is scary, because a lot of the links you'll find are from fringe and white supremacist sites (like stormfront)!

 

 

He's also always warning about violent riots in the streets;

 

 

 

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Our system was the greatest and I fear that we’re going to give it up. And as it’s given up, if we don’t deal with these problems, I am afraid that there will be more violence. People will get angry because they’re not going to get what they believe they have a right to. So if you’ve been providing for something else that other people are providing they get angry.We already see this in Europe, we already see some of it in our own streets where people get angry and upset, where people get angry and upset and if we don’t understand these issues to change the policy it’s going to get a lot worse and then there will be chaos and people will be even more willing to give up their liberties.

 

 

A good friend of mine, a Paul supporter, is stocking up on gold, rations, and munitions talking about survival gear and the coming street riots. This is the type of conspiratorial rhetoric that attracts these people or warps some (like my friend) to become paranoid.

post #630 of 1137

Replace "Goobacks" with the UN. Replace "Jobs" with Guns & Property.

 

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....not that it will matter to Paul supporters.  rolleyes.gif

 

 

TNR Exclusive: More Selections From Ron Paul’s Newsletters

 

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In June 1991, the Political Report defended the Church of Scientology, which had long been the target of IRS investigations for tax fraud and which had, in retaliation, spied on the agency. “Any organization hated by the IRS and the Trilaterialist Time magazine has got to have something going for it!”

 

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A letter on congressional letterhead, dated August 30, 1979, from Paul thanked a Mr. Amos W. Bruce for “the copy of the article in The American Mercury and the copies of your essays. I found them all very interesting.” The American Mercury was an anti-Semitic magazine owned by Willis Carto, one of America's most notorious holocaust deniers and the founder of The Liberty Lobby. The issue of The American Mercury Paul praised included essays entitled, “You Can't Escape the Kosher Food Tax,” “Are You Ready for the White Man's Doomsday,” and “Racism - Black African Style.”

 

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A March 1988 Political Report entitled “AIDS by Mail?” approvingly cited speculation that AIDS was being transmitted via the U.S Postal Service. The allegations were sourced to Robert Mendelsohn, a self-proclaimed “medical heretic,” who also opposed water fluoridation and immunizations.
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The December 1989 issue of the Investment Letter, in a section entitled, “What to Expect for the 1990’s,” predicted that “Japan Will Ally With the USSR” and “The American Republic Will Be Replaced With Democratic Fascism.”
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A September 1989 Political Report item entitled “Poor Leona” asked, “Am I the only one to sympathize with real estate tycoons Leona and Harry Helmsley?” The June 1990 Political Report referred to “The martyred Leona Helmsley,” who was sentenced to jail for evading $1.2 million in federal taxes.

 

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“The American Republic Will Be Replaced With Democratic Fascism.”

 

 

What does that even mean? We can elect our oppressive fascist leaders? I'm so confused.

post #633 of 1137

It's amazing how this guy attracts all the conspiracy lunatics, white supremacist groups and just happened to have a newsletter printed in his name and in which he financially benefited from expressing these views.

 

And he just happens to get anti-Semitic articles sent to him that he ends up praising in his official letterhead.

 

Geez, yeah, that doesn't look suspicious at all.

post #634 of 1137

That's why I roll my eyes whenever anyone expresses extreme displeasure with the Fed, the WTO, the UN--so much so that their immediate abolition is necessary.  Crackpot, racist opinions can't be far behind.

post #635 of 1137
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

 

Certainly not but once you've voiced your concerns it would be unreasonable to continue to harp on the issue.

 

 

Without knowing the specifics of why he's believes the way he does, I don't really have a response. Besides you've stacked the deck with your "paranoid and conspiratorial" label of his views. I imagine there's more nuance to them than that. I'll look into it.



 

But what is YOUR view on the subject! You are not Ron Paul's spokesperson or his PA, so stop pretending that and start speaking for yourself on these issues.

post #636 of 1137

Guys, give it up already.

 

The Republican primary needs to end already so this thread can die.

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Guys, give it up already.

 

The Republican primary needs to end already so this thread can die.



The primary was over for Paul before it even began. This thread should have negative 637 posts rather than positive. Up is down. Black is white. YouTube video explaining how there is still hope. A sad clown cries. Rainfall. Puddles. Sad clown's image reflected in said puddles. And...scene.

post #638 of 1137

After the Republican primary is over, I have no doubt that a "Why didn't you vote for Ron Paul" thread will take its place.

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But what is YOUR view on the subject! You are not Ron Paul's spokesperson or his PA, so stop pretending that and start speaking for yourself on these issues.



...and that Barry, will be peoples prevailing memory of you in this thread. After all these pages, I still barely know a thing about what you actually believe.

post #640 of 1137

I don't know, maybe Tim Minear throws his vote behind somebody else.

post #641 of 1137

I think he hasn't responded to my UN question because he's looking for just the right video to explain away Ron Paul's scary paranoid views on it.

post #642 of 1137

One theory I have heard of why Paul won't drop out until the last minute is to win as many delegates as possible to use as leverage over the winner. I am not sure he'll have enough to act as any kind of kingmaker.


Edited by bigbrother - 1/17/12 at 12:37pm
post #643 of 1137

Trilateral commission.

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The primary was over for Paul before it even began. This thread should have negative 637 posts rather than positive. Up is down. Black is white. YouTube video explaining how there is still hope. A sad clown cries. Rainfall. Puddles. Sad clown's image reflected in said puddles. And...scene.

"The Day The Ronulan Cried," starring Doug Stanhope as Chuck Norris and RuPaul as Kelly Clarkson.
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post

The primary was over for Paul before it even began. This thread should have negative 637 posts rather than positive. Up is down. Black is white. YouTube video explaining how there is still hope. A sad clown cries. Rainfall. Puddles. Sad clown's image reflected in said puddles. And...scene.

"The Day The Ronulan Cried," starring Doug Stanhope as Chuck Norris and RuPaul as Kelly Clarkson.

not to be nitpicky, but the above quote attributed to me is actually by "bigbrother"
...on that note, I would go with more of a "Wild Bunch" ending...but, we could still have a clown in there getting shot in slow motion...

 



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One theory I have heard of why Paul won't drop out until the last minute is to win as many delegates as possible to use as leverage over the winner. I am not sure he'll have enough to act as any kind of kingmaker.

 

I am not up on the rules but, if RP stays in the race, he can still collect $$, can he not?

What can/would he do with the money when the GOP goes all Romney? 3rd party candidate?.....attack ads?.....refunds to the people that gave money? (heh...)


 

 

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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post

What can/would he do with the money when the GOP goes all Romney? 3rd party candidate?.....attack ads?.....refunds to the people that gave money? (heh...)

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I am not up on the rules but, if RP stays in the race, he can still collect $$, can he not?

What can/would he do with the money when the GOP goes all Romney? 3rd party candidate?.....attack ads?.....refunds to the people that gave money? (heh...)

 


 

When Romney touches down he'll blow the roof and by the time the RNC works out what went wrong, he'll be sitting on a beach, earning twenty percent. 

post #648 of 1137
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not to be nitpicky, but the above quote attributed to me is actually by "bigbrother"
...on that note, I would go with more of a "Wild Bunch" ending...but, we could still have a clown in there getting shot in slow motion...

 

 


Not to be nitpicky, but the quote attributed to you (and "bigbrother") was actually from me. You guys, I'm being so unnoticed that I'm starting to feel like Ron Paul.

 

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Not to be nitpicky, but the quote attributed to you (and "bigbrother") was actually from me. You guys, I'm being so unnoticed that I'm starting to feel like Ron Paul.

 


quick, write a paranoid,  racist reply then deny having anything to do with it.

 

(the above sentence was brought to you by a New World Order conspiracy which was beamed into my brain by my cat)

 

post #650 of 1137
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quick, write a paranoid,  racist reply then deny having anything to do with it.

 

(the above sentence was brought to you by a New World Order conspiracy which was beamed into my brain by my cat)

 



Yes but you didn't actually mention the particulars about your cat...

 

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