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I'm not trying to be a dick, but for the third time, that's simply not true. I'm not against including it, but it has sound effects AND dialog long before the finale. 

Apologizes for submitting a long list. I didn't know there were such strict rules to the thread ahead of time. I like silent film and I got a little excited.


I look forward to including The Artist as soon as I see it. I've heard it's amazing.


It's okay, my recollection of Modern Times is that there is no intelligible dialog at all, with sound effects and other things taking the place of words until the finale when the Tramp Ad-Libs a song in fake Italian. It's been a few years I have to admit, can anyone deny or confirm this?

 

Also I know I didn't create a list rule in my first post and that's why I didn't comment on your initial post in this thread other than to ask you explain your choices. Honestly I'm still torn on the list thing, I'd allow it if it didn't seem to bring other posts to a halt. I get the feeling that when a list shows up in one post it stalls the thread for a while. What I think happens is that when picks come one by one it gives space and time for other chewers to comment on them, but when someone posts a list of new picks great films can be lost in the shuffle. 

 

Parker you added a ton a great films, but you added so many at once that for some reason conversation about the individual films in your picks fell by the wayside. Personally I wanted to have a discussion about the lost Masterpiece of Greed and how the film we have now is actually less than half of what was filmed and how the Studios' merciless editing of Greed from the original 600 minute cut to just over two hours is what motivated Stroheim (one of the greats) to quit directing. The reason why I didn't comment on it is because the choice was five films behind the current pick and it felt like the opportunity for discussion on it was already in the past. 

 

I hope that explains my point of view to you.

 

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It's okay, my recollection of Modern Times is that there is no intelligible dialog at all, with sound effects and other things taking the place of words until the finale when the Tramp Ad-Libs a song in fake Italian. It's been a few years I have to admit, can anyone deny or confirm this?

 

Also I know I didn't create a list rule in my first post and that's why I didn't comment on your initial post in this thread other than to ask you explain your choices. Honestly I'm still torn on the list thing, I'd allow it if it didn't seem to bring other posts to a halt. I get the feeling that when a list shows up in one post it stalls the thread for a while. What I think happens is that when picks come one by one it gives space and time for other chewers to comment on them, but when someone posts a list of new picks great films can be lost in the shuffle. 

 

Parker you added a ton a great films, but you added so many at once that for some reason conversation about the individual films in your picks fell by the wayside. Personally I wanted to have a discussion about the lost Masterpiece of Greed and how the film we have now is actually less than half of what was filmed and how the Studios' merciless editing of Greed from the original 600 minute cut to just over two hours is what motivated Stroheim (one of the greats) to quit directing. The reason why I didn't comment on it is because the choice was five films behind the current pick and it felt like the opportunity for discussion on it was already in the past. 

 

I hope that explains my point of view to you.

 


Examples of dialogue in Modern Times can be seen in the first sequence; the CEO of the "Electro-Steel Corps" talks to the shirtless lever pulling lackey through a "big-brother" screen and instructs him to ramp up the power. Later, the "electronic salesman" speaks through a record player to sell the CEO on the feeding machine they eventually give to Chaplin. There is lots of uses of radio announcements too, like when the Tramp gets out of jail, or when he sits with a stuffy looking woman, they both suffer gas and an comes on the radio about relieving gas. 

In terms of your stance against the list, I totally understand. I've just been watching a lot of silent movies lately and totally got carried away. Won't do it again. 

 

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Snotty/dismissive? Not exactly...but I am annoyed. Annoyed by the trend present in this list of people just naming several films at a time without taking the time to explore a little into each film. Listen, I know Mon Oncle exists. I know The Last Laugh & Faust exist. But, for Pete's sake, tell me why it's special. Tell me why I should seek it out. Simply checking off movies in a given genre like it's a grocery list is both aesthetically uninteresting & frankly, bad form.

 

 



Fair enough Art.  Anyone who's familiar with Tati will understand why his films belong on this list (or are candidates anyway) so I listed all 4 at once simply for efficiency.  I'll go back and remedy my recommendations with some justifications a bit later today when I have proper time.

post #54 of 81

The First Half Of WALLjust kidding.

 

42. (I think?) Phantom of the Opera (1925)

 

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The reveal of Chaney's Phantom shocked audiences back in the day, but I've always been mesmerized by the Technicolor sequence. The two-strip technique lends a "not quite real" aspect that I love:

 

 

 

 

 

post #55 of 81
The Tati films are amazing. Even if they get ruled out of the list, I'm glad that they were mentioned for the simple fact that someone...somewhere...is reading this thread and will get to discover them. MR. HULOT'S HOLIDAY should be mandatory viewing.
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The Tati films are amazing. Even if they get ruled out of the list, I'm glad that they were mentioned for the simple fact that someone...somewhere...is reading this thread and will get to discover them. MR. HULOT'S HOLIDAY should be mandatory viewing.

 

Agreed.

 

And Mangy I believe yours is pick number 36 after looking over everything. 
 

 

37. The Great Train Robbery (1903)  d. Edwin Porter

 

The other great silent narrative that competes with a Trip to the Moon for the title of the most influential early film ever made. While the Trip to the Moon marks the first science fiction film this marks the emergence of the western genre, though I suppose that it could be argued that the western genre didn't truly start until the Old west was completely in the throws of the industrial revolution. Anyway it's a piece of films history which has helped to shape everything after and it's only 10 minutes. Why don't you watch it if you haven't already, as it is still an engaging motion picture.

 

 

It is interesting to note that there was color in film as 1903 (The little girl's dress for example... Hmm is this where Speilberg got the idea for Shindler's List?), but in this case is was inserted by an assembly line of painters going over the prints. 

 

It is said that the film stole heavily from an earlier British film called A Daring Daylight Burglary, but I don't see it. Yeah it's a chase film, but there were chase films before this.

 

 


Edited by Tim K - 11/11/11 at 2:22pm
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Let me expand on the praise for No 21; Mabuse the Gambler. I agree it is Fritz Lang's true epic (Although I think Metropolis just edges it out because it is more tightly edited IMO). It also really shows you the cultural currents of Weimer Germany were like. It also works as an Metaphysical examination of evil. And the actor playing Mabuse is brilliant. The sequence where Mabuse and his gang go on an epic drinking binge is one of the most disturbing things I've seen in a film.

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38. The Mark of Zorro (dir. Fred Niblo, 1920)

 

 

And, the swashbuckler is born. Douglas Fairbanks becomes a star.

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39.

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1943, dir. Maya Deren (with Alexander Hammid)

 

Maya Deren was an avante-garde filmmaker & film theorist in the 40s & 50s whose experimental films were as influential as they were startlingly ahead of their time . With Meshes Of The Afternoon, her most famous film, she creates a Möbius strip of dreamlike imagery, exploring linear displacement within the subconscious mind while playing with the conceits of film noir when the genre was still in it's cradle, pretty much inventing David Lynch-ian cinematic language altogether (when he was still in his). I've read that Lynch's Lost Highway & Mulholland Drive were both heavily influenced by Meshes Of The Afternoon (which was also inducted into the National Film Registry in 1990).

 

"Meshes Of The Afternoon" in it's entirety: (Click to show)

 

For further investigation, check out the great documentary "In The Mirror Of Maya Deren": (Click to show)

 


Edited by Art Decade - 11/13/11 at 1:38pm
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40.  BEN HUR (1925)

 

This is the original, silent version.  It's every bit as good as the Heston version, even down to the incredible chariot race.

 

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41. Douglas Fairbanks In Robin Hood. (1922)

 

I stated in the Family Film thread that the 1938 Errol Flynn film was all the Robin Hood anyone should ever need, but that's not entirely true. Fairbanks' take is rowdier and more violent, with more time spent on King Richard (Wallace Beery) and the Crusades. It's also funnier, and never more so than in a scene where Little John (Alan Hale Sr. would reprise the role 16 years later) ambushes a cohort of guards by a postern door and stuffs them headfirst into a well, one by one.

 

The sets are gargantuan by any measure, and director Alan Dwan makes sure Fairbanks is never lost in them, using every cubic inch of space to his advantage.

 

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Edited by Hammerhead - 11/12/11 at 11:37am
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42. The Running Jumping & Standing Still Film

1960, dir. Richard Lester & Peter Sellers

 

No doubt influenced by Jacques Tati & The Marx Brothers, this £70 budget comedy short (co-written by Sellers & Spike Milligan) was shot over two weekends in 1960 & went on to earn an Oscar nomination that same year. A favourite of The Beatles', the short's director Richard Lester was later hired in 1963 to lend his clever, comedic inventiveness toward the creation of their landmark film A Hard Day's Night,

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43.  MAN WITH A MOVIE CAMERA (1929)

 

A completely interactive film where the audience participates in the actual process of the film being watched.  Vertov films a scene, films himself filming the scene, and films himself editing the very scene that he just filmed.  It's fascinating to watch.  At the same time, he explores the Russian cities around him and gets the inhabitants to participate in the creative process.  It's fascinating.

 

 

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44. Koko's Earth Control (1928)

 

The Fleischer Bros weren't the first or last to make an animated cartoon comment upon itself, but this is an essential work, spotlighting their unique flair for surrealism and technical innovation. Also, funny.

 

 

45. The Heart of the World (2000)

 

Koko makes a perfect mini-double-feature with Guy Maddin's amazing retro pseudo-trailer:

 

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46. Docks of New York (1928)

 

Josef von Sternberg takes a roughneck and a whore and constructs for them the tenderest love story imaginable. Harold Rosson's cinematography is exquisite.

 

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As promised, I'm going to add some support to my suggestions for the list.

 

31.) The King Of Kings (1927) - d. Cecil B. DeMille

 

The King Of Kings is the silent era's greatest religious spectacle.  DeMille combined lavish Hollywood showmanship with a sincere, spiritual portrayal of Jesus' ministry, crucifixion and resurrection as described in the New Testament gospels.  He ensured the audience could have it both ways: a titillating display of depraved, sinful masses and the devout preachings and practice of a savior in the making.  This is inspiring stuff: Jesus' story bought to vibrant life in a new (cinematic) medium, akin to how the Medieval and Renaissance faithful would've reacted to biblical text portrayed in stained glass, stone and canvas.  DeMille employs composition, lighting and editing to heighten the buzzing spiritual pulse of the events.  One shot of the crucifixion pushes the entire tableau into the distance, crowding it into a tight oval of space occupying the upper right quadrant of the frame; the rest of the frame is left pure black, emphasizing the void in which Christ's death will leave the world.  When Christ passes: cataclysm.  The earth opens up, swallowing scores of sinners (including Judas' corpse and the tree it hangs from).

 

DeMille filmed a silent version of The Ten Commandments four years prior to The King Of Kings and would refilm The Ten Commandments 29 years after The King Of Kings.  Biblical film epics of the sound era trace their roots back to groundwork laid by The King Of Kings.

 

Fun Fact: The King Of Kings was the first movie to premiere at Graumann's Chinese Theater when it opened on May 18, 1927.

post #67 of 81
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Great write up ZebraMajor. I envy your descriptive ability as I often find myself floundering for the right words and turn of phrase when doing my picks.

 

 

48. The Circus (1928)  d. Charlie Chaplin

 

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Chaplin's least favorite of his films, mostly because he was going though hell in his private life while filming it. Personally it's up there for me, the Tramp's turn as a clown who is only funny when he's trying not to be is gag for gag the funniest of Chaplin's filmography. Sure, it may not have as much of the pathos as his more often mentioned classics, but for a deep gut laugh I'll go with The Circus.

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49. Foolish Wives (Erich Von Stroheim, 1922)

 

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Confession: I list this movie more for the personal connection I have with it, then what I thought of the film. My uncle was a huge movie buff, and would project films on our living room wall, ranging from William S. Hart silent westerns to 8mm clip reels of the French Connection and Star Wars. His prized possession was the complete Foolish Wives, which came in a box with 4-6 canisters of film. 

 

Honestly, I was bored by it when I watched it, but I was also barely in my teens. Much like Greed, Stroheim's original version of this ran nearly 6 hours, but was chopped to bits before release. The full film is available on Youtube:

 

 

Also:

 

50. Tumbleweeds (William S. Hart, 1925)

 

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Hart's last Western, this take place during the Oklahoma land grab of the 1880s. The climactic land rush scene remains epic:

 

post #69 of 81

Let's keep this going!

 

51. The Last Laugh (1924)

 

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Directed by F.W. Murnau, The Last Laugh stars future Nazi sympathizer Emil Jannings as a doorman that loses his job. One of the great German Expressionist films, and a landmark in cinematography.

 

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52. Rotaie (Rails, 1928)

 

Director Mario Camerini quietly questions the Mussolini regime from within in this delicately observed tale of a penniless young couple who, on the verge of a suicide pact, discover a lost wallet stuffed with money. Impulsively, they ride Italy's then-new railroad to a posh resort, where they pose as members of the upper crust for as long as they can. Romantic complications ensue. Kathe von Nagy is luminous as the young wife.

 

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53. When the Clouds Roll By (1919)

 

Before he became an action star, Douglas Fairbanks made his name in light comedy. Here, he's a coddled hypochondriac whose doctor is secretly trying to drive him insane. The early highlight is a nightmare sequence in which, after a heavy meal, Fairbanks imagines himself pursued by his own food. It's a novel display for his athleticism, and check out the super-slo-mo, a mere 80 years before The Matrix (the chase starts around 9:00):

 

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54. The Immigrant (1917)  d. Charlie Chaplin

 

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'Bout time you figure out how much of a Chaplin whore I am. The Immigrant is the best of the Chaplin mutual short comedies, which is saying a lot because all of them are excellent films. In 1916 Chaplin worked out a deal with the Mutual Film Company to produce a dozen two reel comedies. They gave him total creative control of the films and largely because of this and no longer being under the heel of Keystone films, Chaplin found his voice. The Immigrant is the First Chaplin film that really has all of what made him great. Social commentary, pathos and amazing gags and setpeices.

 

It is interesting to note that this is one of the films that J. Edgar Hoover used as proof of Chaplin being un-american and it is easy to see why. I laugh every time when the Tramp first sees the Statue of Liberty only to be corralled and tied up with his fellow passengers like a bunch of animals. It's funny because it rings true even today in the way the US treats immigration. 


Edited by Tim K - 11/24/11 at 2:08pm
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And now my long overdue defense of Jacques Tati's films being silent films.

 

I promised this two weeks ago and events got the better of me.  I spent time rewatching three of my nominations and devoted the better part of a Sunday afternoon constructing my argument. I apologize for the delay.

 

Right off the bat the films of Jacques Tati are ineligible because they are sync sound films.  But before we dismiss them on that technicality let's evaluate them on their merits because they certainly qualify for honorary placement under the "silent movie in spirit" argument.

 

When Chaplin and Keaton are compared I've heard the argument that Chaplin’s Tramp is a maniac causing mischief in a rational world while Keaton's Milquetoast is a rational man surviving in a world gone mad.  Tati's creation of M. Hulot is clearly exists in a world like Keaton’s, where the simple act of opening a door only has only two outcomes: either the door will stick or the knob will come off in your hand.  Either way the world exists to impede and frustrate the simplest of goals.  The door never simply just opens for you.

 

Jacques Tati was a master of physical comedy who crafted humor not from slapstick pratfalls but from the mistimed actions of one out of sync with his surroundings.  Hulot (played by Tati himself) is perpetually trying to analyze his environment to formulate an appropriate course of action. His physical manner is abrupt and graceless but not clumsy.  There is a disjointed lack of flow in his movements.  When set in motion he lurches forward, continuously tipped forward like a tray of precariously stacked dishes threatening to topple.  In a word he is an anti-Frenchman.  His trademark attire: raincoat (or sport coat), umbrella, pipe and hat, pants just a shade too short.  He is perpetually polite: bow courteously, doff the hat, remove the pipe, extend the hand.  

 

The comedy in each of Tati's films is dense.  Gags come in a rapid fire, blink-and-you'll-miss-it, onto-the-next-one style.  Great care is taken to setup and execute each joke in succession, like a fireworks display.  French dignity is repeatedly, relentlessly, hilariously punctured.  

 

Tati's Hulot films are ensemble films.  Hulot weaves in and out of the action as the populace goes about their daily activities (and almost always failing at them).  When you pay careful attention on repeated viewings you can map out the individual trajectories of dozens of minor characters.  The ensemble allows us to see this is a world of dysfunction containing multiple inhabitants and not a normal world containing dysfunctional inhabitants.  The ensemble also wisely allowed Tati to regularly remove the focus from himself as lead actor so he could shoulder his full duty as director.

 

Once of the great things about Tati's films is he loves to present a static frame and let the action pass through it without cutting away.  We can appreciate the coordination, the craftsmanship it takes to orchestrate a shot and let it play out, gag after gag in front of us.  An office of cubicles becomes a rat's maze and we watch and watch as Hulot and company scurry around trying to find each other.  Or a vacation crowd oscillates between train platforms (in foreground and background), repeatedly missing the train on the opposite side.  Or maybe he'll make his characters (and you) humorously wait and wait as another character takes a full minute or more to cross from distant background to foreground before the action is allowed to continue.  

 

OK, so why argue that Tati's sound films are silent?  My practical rule of thumb: If you can mute the movie and the entire story (or very close to it) plays (meaning "is comprehended"), then, regardless of soundtrack, it's a silent film in spirit.  Traditional silent films do this by focusing mainly on clear coordinated action to visually communicate the story (using sparse intertitle cards to relay critical exposition or dialogue as necessary).  In this manner, when a silent film is firing on all artistic cylinders the power of the visual language overcomes the limitation of silence and the audience is pulled in.

 

So let's address the sound aspects of Tati’s films: dialogue and sound effects.

 

Dialogue in a Tati film is nothing more than the murmur of life.  In Hulot's world individuals constantly collide with expectation, environment and each other.  When a mishap or interaction occurs it is a natural reaction to complain, joke, commiserate.  That is what a civilized society does.  But the key in Tati’s films is he only needs to show that a reaction has occurred.  The worded pleasantries exchanged are irrelevant (and never plot critical).  In short, all talk is small talk in a Tati film, disposable and worthy of your disregard.

 

The Hulot films are full of sound effects and, more importantly, gags centered on sound effects.  Whistling wind blows hats and newspapers and moustaches.  Cars honk and bicycle bells ring.  Modern machinery dings and buzzes and whirs.

 

Don't the gags fail to play if the film is muted?  Typically sounds enhance the gag, they aren’t the essence of the gag.  Tati is wise to ensure the action visually flows visual and you can follow it.  There is no doubt the sound effects are certainly used to great success in selling the humor.  And while I wouldn’t dream of watching a Tati film with the sound off I think if it were playing muted on a public monitor (say in a video store) viewers would not be confused.

 

But this “sound film as silent film” concept is really hard to explain.   Once you’ve seen a Tati film (or perhaps if you’ve seen Rowan Atkinson play Mr. Bean) you immediately get it.

 

I’ll follow up on the individual films in separate posts.

post #74 of 81

Excellent write-up, man. You've certainly sold me with your well articulated point of view. Kudos.

post #75 of 81

 

32.) M. Hulot's Holiday (1953) - d. Jacques Tati

 

M. Hulot's Holiday makes youthful sport of the French summer holiday tradition where the entire country takes a month off and heads to the coast in a massive crush.  Relaxation is sabotaged at every chance.  Hulot motors into a small seaside town and we watch as he attempts a full regimen of recreation while silliness abounds.  The list of activities reads like a textbook lesson on Walt Disney Goofy cartoons: swimming, backpacking, kayaking, horseback riding, picnic-ing, dancing, tennis(-ing?).  

 

And dining.  The French love to dine so the activity in the resort’s dining hall (complete with its exasperated waiter) is a repeated interlude between other segments.  Quick example of the nonsense: The waiter is at a cutting board cutting slices of meat for lunch.  As he slices the lunchroom door opens (with a BOING sound from it's spring) and a thin woman steps in, surveys the room, nods to the waiter and walks off screen to take a seat.  The door opens again (another BOING) and a portly guest steps in.  The waiter sizes up the new guest as he walks off and triples to width of the next slice he's about to cut.

 

In typical form Hulot's activities are interspersed with those of other guests.  Here Hulot repeated makes a chaste pursuit of a lovely young lady. (In Tati's films Hulot is regularly found looking for work, or bashfully pursuing a lady, or both.)  There's a liveliness to the action that celebrates French society, a tone would change in the subsequent films.  And Tati is clearly tapping into a core French insecurity: a society that prides itself on grace and style perpetually denied those attributes.

 

post #76 of 81

 

33.) Mon Oncle (1958) - d. Jacques Tati

 

Mon Oncle is the middle-aged parent to M. Hulot’s Holiday’s youthful teen.  Tati focuses squarely on gutting modernism and its bastard twin materialism.  France is in the midst of it’s own post-WWII boom.  The wartime rubble of the old, charming France is being cleared away and replaced with a cold, modern monstrosity.

 

Hulot does not fit in this new world but he stumbles through it as best he can.  What’s a Frenchman to do?  Hulot is the titular uncle to the son of his sister and brother-in-law, the middle class traitors who have sold out and embraced this cold, prosperous world of THINGS.  But they have just as much trouble navigating this world as Hulot.  The conveniences of this modern world backfire with a disturbing regularity.

 

Tati is on his game here.  When Hulot goes home Tati shows us a full view of his charming, old-Paris tenement.  Hulot, in a single shot, winds his way up from the street to the top floor, in and out of the building, past windows, over balconies, up staircases, we see his head, now just his feet, ah there’s his full body, wait how did he get over there?  The effect is that of a grandiose cuckoo clock with Hulot himself as the animated figure circling around, chiming out the hour.

 

Or there's a great gag where Hulot experiments angling the sun’s reflection off a window pane into a bird’s nest so it will sing.  Or the ridiculous fish fountain at Hulot’s sister’s house that’s switched on when a guest rings the bell and then immediately switched off if, when revealed, the guest isn't important enough.  And there's more subversion of French dining.  The boy's breakfast is prepared like an overcomplicated, sterile surgical procedure and a quaint garden party is slowly reduced to controlled chaos as the house and environs go haywire.

 

Everywhere the old and the new clash with a deep heavy sigh for the loss of something integral to the French soul.  The modern world (offices, factories) is gray and angular and never quite functions as advertised.

 

Dialogue is still unimportant but sound (specifically sound effects) is an integral part of the film.  Nonetheless the action and storytelling is primarily visual, in the spirit of Chaplin and Keaton.

 

Mon Oncle won multiple awards, most notably the Oscar for Best Foreign FIlm (1959) and the Cannes Special Prize (1958).

 

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Let's keep this going!

 

51. The Last Laugh (1924)

 

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Directed by F.W. Murnau, The Last Laugh stars future Nazi sympathizer Emil Jannings as a doorman that loses his job. One of the great German Expressionist films, and a landmark in cinematography.

 

 


The camerawork in this is astoundingly groundbreaking. I submitted it as number 13 though.

 

post #78 of 81

Damn, sorry Parker. Let's try this again:

 

54. The Phantom Carriage (1921) Dir. Victor Sjostrom

 

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The existential concerns of this supernatural Swedish film were a huge influence on Ingmar Bergman, and was also innovative in terms of both special effects and narrative structure. I saw this on TCM last year, but I'm dying to see the recently released Criterion.

post #79 of 81

I haven't seen this listed, so if it is I apologize.

 

55. The Man Who Laughs (1928)

 

It's a great movie, with a great creepy makeup job and should be included for its influence alone.

post #80 of 81

56. LA ROU (1923)

 

This movie did it all before most.  

 

post #81 of 81

57. A MAN THERE WAS (1917)

 

58. EARTH (1930)

 

One of my many favorite scenes from the film.  Also look out for the production of bread montage.  

 

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