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How many kids is "too many"?

post #1 of 55
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Sorry but this is fucking obscene...

 

 

 

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ARKANSAS mum Michelle Duggar has proudly announced to the world she's expecting — but her 19 other children got to hear the news first.
Ms Duggar, 45, and her husband Jim Bob, 46, have more experience than most in new arrivals, but they told NBC Television they were surprised by the latest. "I was not thinking that God would give us another one, and we are just so grateful," said Ms Duggar, star of a reality show on TLC called 19 Kids and Counting.
The family lives in Little Rock and also runs its own internet site which sells books written by the family and DVDs, and dispenses advice to parents.
The brood consists of 10 boys and nine girls aged between 23 months and 23 years. The latest, Josie, was born prematurely in December 2009 and Ms Duggar suffered complications.
Ms Duggar said that despite the risks, she was not worried for her health. "I'm really in better shape than I've been in 20 years," she said.
Amid the joy, Mr Duggar had a practical view on the situation: "We didn't want to stop on an odd number," he said.

 

Seriously, at what point should people be told enough? I'm all for personal choice, but aren't there already too many of us as it is?

post #2 of 55

Yes, really repugnant, and even more disturbing that these sorts of wackos are celebrated by the "pro life" crowd. These people are suffering from some sort of pathology. We can't feed the seven billion already here. Anyone pulling this kind of crap has a very warped view of the world

post #3 of 55

I try not to be judgmental about these things so long as the people seem to be good parents. While I do think the Duggars are an extreme case, I don't get the impression that they cannot support their family.

 

Also big families are not that unusual and never were, my Great Grandfather was a middle child of 22.

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Please God let them be sold for scientific experiments.

post #5 of 55
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I try not to be judgmental about these things so long as the people seem to be good parents. While I do think the Duggars are an extreme case, I don't get the impression that they cannot support their family.

 

Also big families are not that unusual and never were, my Great Grandfather was a middle child of 22.



Right, and what was America and the worlds population back in your Great Grandfathers day? Certainly not what it is today.

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Also big families are not that unusual and never were, my Great Grandfather was a middle child of 22.


He was born between the 11th and 12th kid?

 

post #7 of 55

People live longer AND childhood mortality rates are much better.  What held true a century ago does NOT hold true today...you DO NOT need to crank out that many kids in order to keep your family line going or run the family farm/business.  

post #8 of 55

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He was born between the 11th and 12th kid?
 
 

14th I think. 

 

He migrated to America from italy when he was 15 and joined the circus. I'm not joking, my Grandfather's life story could make a movie.

 

Really I do feel that population control needs to be adressed, but it is such a difficult subject that I feel, with my family history, I have no right to judge others on this topic.

post #9 of 55

I think once you've hit kid #20 you're not "having" children anymore, you're "breeding" them.

 

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"I was not thinking that God would give us another one, and we are just so grateful," said Ms Duggar

 

For some reason, this statement just makes me sad. "God" ain't "giving" you shit, lady.


Edited by Art Decade - 11/9/11 at 7:45pm
post #10 of 55

Oh snaps they were fuckin' for fun this time! Tsk tsk...

post #11 of 55

I'm pretty sure that she's eventually going to die from baby making. One will come out and just rip her to shreds.

post #12 of 55
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I'm pretty sure that she's eventually going to die from baby making. One will come out and just rip her to shreds.



Christ there's a mental image...

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I'm pretty sure that she's eventually going to die from baby making. One will come out and just rip her to shreds.

534
post #14 of 55
Thread Starter 

Maybe that's what we need, a few monstrous mutant baby-things spawned into the world. Enough rampages and maybe people might cotton on to the idea that not every birth is a perfect angelic little miracle.

post #15 of 55

This isn't about how many kids these people have.  It's about their freaky religious cult.  My uncle and his wife have 11 kids.

 

Then again, they are Catholic.

post #16 of 55

I cannot even imagine what condition her pussy is in.

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I cannot even imagine what condition her pussy is in.



 

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I cannot even imagine what condition her pussy is in.



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Christ there's a mental image...



You're welcome.

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I cannot even imagine what condition her pussy is in.



Say what you will, but it makes a great family shelter during the bad storms.

post #21 of 55
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post

How many kids is "too many"?


One.

 

post #22 of 55

I always loved that section of the Stand where the pastor with 7+ kids watches them all succumb one by one to the fever, followed by his wife. Because he's religious he can't kill himself, so he just starts running and doesn't stop until his heart explodes. For some reason this made me think of that. 

post #23 of 55

Everything old is new again:

 

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And just of note, since the above picture was taken there have been six additions.

post #24 of 55

My biggest problem with The Unstoppable Uterus is that the first 9 kids are all slaves to the baby making plantation and have to help raise the other 9.  I am pretty sure I didn't want to turn 10 and be assigned diaper/feeding shifts down at the plant.

post #25 of 55

I wonder if labor is even all that painful for her anymore...

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post #27 of 55

HAAAAAHAHAHAHA.  Labor can be fun!

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I wonder if labor is even all that painful for her anymore...



Maybe she's a sadist and she gets sexual pleasure from the pain.  I've never had a kid and hopefully never will, but I'm willing to lay down money that no amount of whips, chains, and nipple clamps will equal pushing a bowling ball out of her pussy.

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I wonder if labor is even all that painful for her anymore...



After 19 of 'em? At this point she's probably storing the family's Thanksgiving dinner up there. A baby is nothing.

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I'm pretty sure that she's eventually going to die from baby making. One will come out and just rip her to shreds.


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post #31 of 55
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...and the winner of "Taking it that step too far" goes to...

post #32 of 55
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My biggest problem with The Unstoppable Uterus is that the first 9 kids are all slaves to the baby making plantation and have to help raise the other 9.  I am pretty sure I didn't want to turn 10 and be assigned diaper/feeding shifts down at the plant.



They seem like genuinely nice people, sure. But reading that "day in the life of..." breakdown is why I'm against home-schooling. Kids need to let their ears down and interact, play, bullshit, mingle, etc. with other kids away from the house and family. The highlight of the day is Bible reading time with Daddy? You know...I'm Baptist and go to church every Sunday. But motherfucker that was never my idea of the day's high point.

post #33 of 55
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They seem like genuinely nice people, sure. But reading that "day in the life of..." breakdown is why I'm against home-schooling. Kids need to let their ears down and interact, play, bullshit, mingle, etc. with other kids away from the house and family. The highlight of the day is Bible reading time with Daddy? You know...I'm Baptist and go to church every Sunday. But motherfucker that was never my idea of the day's high point.



Absolutely seem like nice people who would help you if you needed it. But how do you develop as a person, an entity independant of your family, if you never have that opportunity.  Is there free expression in the Duggar township? (Now imagines an Under the Dome like horror film centered at the Duggar estate)

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Maybe she's a sadist and she gets sexual pleasure from the pain.  I've never had a kid and hopefully never will, but I'm willing to lay down money that no amount of whips, chains, and nipple clamps will equal pushing a bowling ball out of her pussy.


I think in your scenario her husband would be the sadist

 

 

post #35 of 55
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...and the winner of "Taking it that step too far" goes to...



I think I deserve some credit for steering this thread in the direction it has gone. Ha

post #36 of 55

It is not just that they have so many kids that makes me mad it is also the narrow scope of the world that they show there kids. This will turn there kids, into baby making factories as well. Also I think because they live in a part of the country that has so much land they do not see a problem with populating it, if they lived in New York or LA would they have as many kids.

post #37 of 55
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It is not just that they have so many kids that makes me mad it is also the narrow scope of the world that they show there kids. This will turn there kids, into baby making factories as well. Also I think because they live in a part of the country that has so much land they do not see a problem with populating it, if they lived in New York or LA would they have as many kids.



 

It's funny you should say that, heres a post on the Duggars from a friend of mine I trust who thinks they're a lot more nefarious and represent something much more sinister than just promoting endless child birth...

 

 

 

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The problem with the Duggars is that most people who know them from TV think they're just quirky. They're not quirky, they're dangerous and they're worming their way into the hearts of many Americans because TLC depicts them as a well-meaning family with "old-fashioned" values. Here are some of their values:
 
1. Their daughters are "stay at home daughters". They will live with their parents as unpaid maids, nannies and general laborers until their father chooses a young man for them to "cleave" to. They will have very little say in the matter. Ever wonder how Michelle Duggar takes care of so many kids? She doesn't. She gives birth to them and then hands them off to one of her five older daughters (who are not allowed to leave the house alone) to raise.
 
2. They blanket train their babies. Blanket training involves putting a baby of crawling age on a blanket and forcing them to stay on it for a set period of time. It teaches them "self-control". Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar have never publicly stated how they actually keep the baby on the blanket, but many people who blanket train use corporal punishment (yes, on babies) to keep them there. 
 
3, On a related note to number 2, the Duggars, until a couple of years ago, linked to Michael Pearl's (No Greater Joys Ministries) books and website on their own website. They took the links down a while back without saying why, but the probable reason is that at least four children have DIED after their parents followed the advice in the Pearls' book, To Train Up a Child. Here's a link to a good article about the Pearls, complete with an explanation of how plumbing line will help you to raise an obedient kid. http://www.salon.com.../25/the_pearls/
 
 
4. The Duggars are Christian Dominionists. They believe that the United States was founded on Christian principles, and want to put God back in the government. This means on the surface: prayer in schools, Bible study as part of classes, anti-gay rights, no more abortion, etc, etc. How far it goes depends on how far into the belief system a family is. They attribute the evils of the public school system to taking prayer/Bible reading out of it. They attribute abortion, crime, etc, to God being “pushed” out of the government. They want to win back the government for Christ.
 
 
5. The Duggars follow Bill Gothard/ATI/Vision Forum. Here’s how Gothard's "Vision Forum" works: you must take the basic seminar before you take the advanced seminar. In the basic seminar, he talks mostly about how to improve your life. His examples are very mainstream. He uses an illustration where a woman wears pants. In his Advanced seminar, suddenly, women should dress modestly (a la the Duggars before TLC gave them a tv show). In fact, even wearing a bit of lace at the collar is immodest. So why couldn’t he be honest about what he believes women should wear upfront? It’s because you get more and more radical as you go. Why do the Duggar kids look so happy? Because you aren’t allowed to be angry in the Gothard belief system. Anger =selfishness= sin. You must always keep a joyful countenance, especially if you are in a position to minister to the people around you. Like on a tv show. So that the Duggar kids look and act happy means nothing. Maybe they are, but you wouldn’t know if they weren’t just by watching them. Michelle Duggar and her daughters have been trained to (and I shudder every time I read or hear this) "keep sweet" at all times. It's even been depicted on the show with the smaller girls. If they raise their voices or lash out in any way, they're told they need to "keep sweet". Good link to the truth behind the Vision Forum: http://www.widewhite...i-vision-forum/
 
 
I could (obviously) go on about this for another five pages. You may wonder why I'm semi-obsessed with the topic. It's because The Duggars TV show is insanely popular among children. Almost every kid in Eve and Cait's classes watch the Duggars. They're parents are thrilled because there's no chance of sex or violence and the family (on TV) project "wholesome American values". I saw a couple of episodes with the girls and decided to read up on them. This is what I found, and lots more. I've gotten more and more into it as time has gone by and the more I know, the more disturbing things become. There are so many blogs out there, an insane amount, written by stay-at-home Quiverfull mothers and stay-at-home Quiverfull daughters, who have drunk the Koolaid and are procreating in greater and greater numbers. They're scary fucking people. 

 

 

 

 

 

post #38 of 55
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I always loved that section of the Stand where the pastor with 7+ kids watches them all succumb one by one to the fever, followed by his wife. Because he's religious he can't kill himself, so he just starts running and doesn't stop until his heart explodes. For some reason this made me think of that. 



I thought it was notable that was one of the few plague stories not to be ended with the line "No great loss" when the subject of the story died (or more frequently either got killed or killed themselves in a stupid accident). Which was fair enough as he was made out to be an ordinary man in a very bad situation while most of the rest were people with ... problems.

post #39 of 55
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I'm pretty sure that she's eventually going to die from baby making. One will come out and just rip her to shreds.


I heard she's going for a Caesarean this time.

 

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It's funny you should say that, heres a post on the Duggars from a friend of mine I trust who thinks they're a lot more nefarious and represent something much more sinister than just promoting endless child birth...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

Horrible. What dreadful people, and a poisonous set of values and beliefs

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I heard she's going for a Caesarean this time.

 



She'll get the chestburster before there's even a chance for a c section.

 

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post #42 of 55

Great post Rain Dog.

 

Yeah you just changed my opinion about them from ambivalent to bat shit insane. Wow, sometimes I wish homeschooling was accompanied by a law which makes it mandatory that kids must hang out with non-relatives their same age for at least 20 hours a week in an environment where adult supervision is kept to minimum (just someone there to break up the fights and comfort the losers).

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post #44 of 55

To Rain Dog, Princess Kate, et al.

 

If you're going to support free speech, that means you have to back Larry Flynt and Stormfront alongside The New York Times and "Piss Christ."

 

If you're going to support a woman's right to choose, you have to support Michelle Duggar alongside the sixteen-year-old who needs an abortion because grandpappy got her pregnant. 

 

It's not "a right to choose, except when that woman has beliefs I disagree with." 

 

Fact.

 

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post #45 of 55
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You hear that everyone? Brendan has let us know how it's all meant to go.

 

Christ we were lost without you mate, like an empty bottle tossed upon a sea of moral ambiguity. With your laser like focus and years of wisdom maybe, just maybe, we'll be able to rise above our limitations and reach for that rainbow at last.

post #46 of 55

It has nothing to do with moral ambiguity. It's just something worth pointing out -- if you're going to support a right, you have to support that right, even when you don't agree with it. If you think women have the right to choose, then women should have the right to choose. I don't like Michelle Duggar and I don't like her stupid husband. I disagree with this Quiverfull philosophy and think she's being dangerous with her own body, but that doesn't give me the right to tell her to stop having kids. She's not breaking the law and she hasn't said she's being forced to have kids. She's making a choice. Do I disagree with it? Yeah. Will I defend her right to make it? Absolutely.

post #47 of 55

Their is a difference between supporting a Womans right to bear children, and commenting on the 'extreme' home environment. I support a person having kids, I don't support someone having more kids then they can support (if you have to have your oldest rearing the youngest cause your too busy being pregnant, that's to many) themselves.

post #48 of 55
When the uterus muscles have better tone than mid 80s Arnold.
post #49 of 55

Yeah, it's sad she had a miscarriage...but maybe this will get her to stop having kids. Wait, who am I kidding...nothing will stop her.

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Yeah, it's sad she had a miscarriage...but maybe this will get her to stop having kids. Wait, who am I kidding...nothing will stop her.



That's actually how it started. One of the earliest pregnancies was a miscarriage which they attributed to using birth control, so they stopped using it after that. Almost all of their children were born after that decision.

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