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post #1 of 28
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... though it should really be called:

 

Manic Pixie Dream Girl: THE BEGINNING

 

It's a perfectly watchable period drama mixed with the behind-the-scenes antics of a film production.  The performances are generally good and it's handsomely shot through the direction of Simon Curtis (British TV director who is directing a feature film for the first time, I think) .  A Weinstein Company release!?  Check!

 

It's pleasant fluff.

 

So how is Michelle Williams as The Blonde Bombshell?  Supposedly, they wanted Scarlet Johansson as Monroe first, but she declined.  I have no idea if she could've pulled it off though.  Sure, she's got the looks for it, but her husky voice might not have worked on a superficial level.  

 

Williams came across shaky at first.  The film opens with Colin Clark watching a musical sequence of hers in a small movie theater.  When Williams has to act like Monroe, the movie star, I didn't think she was quite up to snuff.  But I don't consider it to be Williams' fault in this case.  After all, she's going up against commonly held assumptions of the mannerisms of a pop culture icon.

 

The film itself is largely about the powerful allure that Monroe had on anybody and any camera  that gazed upon her.  And as good an actress and an appealing on-screen presence I think Williams is, I don't think she has THAT. 

 

Anyway, the film most definitely sides with the common 'knowledge' that Monroe's immense appeal and dysfunction were two sides of the same coin, so I think we can give Williams a pass for not being able to capture that bit of bottled lightning that was a Marilyn Monroe performance.

 

I was afraid that this disconnect would last for the entire film, but once we see Monroe outside of performing at Pinewood Studios, I think Williams does a great job of capturing alluring/dysfunctional aspects of Monroe.  It was then that I was able to forget about what I knew about Monroe and let myself get drawn in to the performance.

 

Unfortunately, this film doesn't tell me anything I didn't feel I already knew about Monroe.  All men want to love/fuck/protect her at first sight.  All women are threatened in her presence but also want to love/fuck/protect her.

 

So what does this film use the Monroe character for?  It's used a major element of a bland story of the coming-of-age of a young Colin Clark (Eddie Redmayne).  Spending a week being in love with Marilyn Monroe ends up being a positive process of maturation for young men, apparently... hence, Magic Pixie Dream Girl: The Beginning.

 

All we know about the kid is that he is a bit of a black sheep in his prominent family for wanting to work in the film industry and setting out on his own to make his fortune.  That's about it.  Nothing noticeably wrong with Redmayne's performance, but the character is a blank slate.  That goes along with the fact that it's a coming-of-age tale (nobody young is interesting!!!! heheh), but it doesn't change the fact that Colin Clark is not a very interesting character.

 

Through wide-eyed persistence, he manages to get work as a 3rd Assistant Director for Laurence Olivier's (Kenneth Branagh, in the film's most entertaining performance) new film, The Prince and the Showgirl (1957).  There, he meets a girl in the costume department and starts seeing her. 

 

By the way, that girl is played by Emma Watson, and I have to admit... it was VERY strange seeing her not be Hermoine Granger onscreen.  She does fine with a small part, but the role doesn't have her doing anything that would distance her from that character.  It doesn't matter much, since Colin dumps her to focus his attentions on tending to Monroe.

 

In fact, there are a lot of recognizable actors who have screentime that amount to little more than cameos. 

 

Julia Ormond (as Vivien Leigh),

Toby Jones,

Dougray Scott (as Arthur Miller),

Derek Jacobi,

Dominic Cooper (STARK!)

and Judi Dench (as Dame Sybil Thorndike)

 

all show up early in the movie and pop in here and there in little amounts that are fun breaks from the somewhat bland week-long romance between Clark and Monroe. 

 

And of course, there's Branagh as Olivier.  Without a doubt, his performance was my favorite aspect of the film.  I don't know Olivier's work, so there was no sense of me being distracted by wondering if I was just watching an impersonation or a true performance.  But even so, the script gives Branagh moments of explosive bluster (frustration with Monroe's behavior) and sensitive contemplation (about how old he feels when he looks at her) that were my favorite scenes in the film.

 

I don't know whether or not I'd recommend any Chewer to see the film in theaters.  It was ok, but it's fading quickly from memory.

post #2 of 28

It's TV-quality, all the way down the line. If this came out in April, no one would have said a word about it. But it's an Oscar season release from the Weinsteins, so, yeah.

post #3 of 28
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Way to sum it all up better in a couple of sentences, yoooooou bastard.  Heheh

post #4 of 28

Katy Perry did a mashup for the film.

 

post #5 of 28

I'm so utterly hopelessly in love with Emma Watson that I'll see this movie if only for her five minutes of screen time.  As for the film itself?  Looks fairly Oscar baity.

post #6 of 28

A friend of mine once refused to watch "Walk the Line" because he thought the idea of someone else playing Johnny Cash was just stupid. I tried to plead with him to give it a chance because Phoenix gave a great performance, but he was having none of it. At the time, I thought he was just being snooty and closed-minded, but now I think I finally understand how he felt. I think his reasoning was that the guy was such an icon and he had such reverence for the guy that he didn't think any performance could do him justice. He seemed to believe any actor trying to impersonate Cash would come up short, no matter how much talent he had, because the guy had such a singular, uncanny presence, impossible to recreate.

 

Watching the trailer for this movie, I felt the same way. Michelle Williams seems to be doing an okay job of impersonating Monroe, but I realized fairly early that I don't care how good of a job she or anyone else does. I don't want to see anyone trying to channel Monroe. No matter how strong the performance is, I think it would just come across a cheap knock-off because there's only one Marilyn Monroe, and trying to recreate her aura and presence is just an exercise in futility. I'd rather just watch Monroe. I've enjoyed plenty of biopics, but this is the first time my feelings towards an artist have got in the way of possibly enjoying a performance by someone playing them. I just don't think I could do that with a Monroe performance...ever.

post #7 of 28

I'm not as opposed to someone playing Monroe as Naisu, but yeah, Michelle WIlliams? Hugely talented, but in a completely different way that's all wrong for the part. Ironically, I think Scarlett Johanssen is somewhat in the same league when it comes to, as you say, "aura", and would have been better despite being a weaker actress than Williams. I mean, hell, Monroe wasn't that strong an actress herself.

 

My favourite moment of cinematic irony EVER is the bit in All About Eve when we see whatsername supposedly delivers a life-changing performance of intense charisma (off-screen) that absolutely trounces an up-and-coming actress...played by the then-unknown Monroe. That whole sequence pretty much ruins the movie for a modern viewer, regardless of its other qualities.

post #8 of 28

I hate to be crude, but knowing how GORGEOUS Marilyn was, I saw the very first scene with Michelle Williams in this, and IMMEDIATELY she just did not pass the boner test. Not at all sexy enough.

 

But as the movie went on, I was able to accept her as a sort of Elseworlds Marilyn. She nailed the softness and the demur aspects of Marilyn's demeanor, and it's a fully realized, human performance.

 

But man, not in a million years, Michelle Williams. Sorry.

post #9 of 28

Truth be told, i am not at all familiar with Marilyn. I've heard of the stories and rumous of course. But Some Like It Hot is the only film i've seen of hers so far (and that was many years ago).

 

So i guess that means i don't have this preconception of Marilyn that many of you have, which might lead me to accept this film better.

 

Manic Pixie Dream Girl: THE BEGINNING? Maybe.

But i think Michelle Williams is positively charming in all the clips i've seen of her so far.

post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by felix View Post

Truth be told, i am not at all familiar with Marilyn. I've heard of the stories and rumous of course. But Some Like It Hot is the only film i've seen of hers so far (and that was many years ago).

 

So i guess that means i don't have this preconception of Marilyn that many of you have, which might lead me to accept this film better.

 

Manic Pixie Dream Girl: THE BEGINNING? Maybe.

But i think Michelle Williams is positively charming in all the clips i've seen of her so far.


She's definitely charming.  No question about that.  During the portions of the film where she gets to present Monroe as a human being, she's magnetic.  It's just that she doesn't have that "Marilyn" vibe.  And like you, I've only seen Some Like It Hot.  But there is also that Marilyn Monroe legacy she left behind that most everyone is aware of whether or not they've seen her film work.  If you've seen any photo of her over the years, I feel like her sensual appeal has to have come across to you a bit.

 

post #11 of 28

Okay. The film gets released here two weeks from now, so maybe i'll be able to get a better idea of the this once i've finally seen it. Definitely looking forward to it as well.

 

I remember being 18-20 when my Film Teacher showed Some Like It Hot to us during Class. I've to say that we were postively STUNNED by Monroe during her seduction scenes. Even decades after her death, i can see why she's became an icon.

 

And of course we all laughed uproariously at the "Nobody's perfect" line at the end .smile.gif 

post #12 of 28

"Nobody's Perfect" is one of the best last lines in movie history. Right up there with "Frankly, my dear...". I've seen a whole bunch of Marilyn's movies, and I'm sorry to say most of them are rather shallow/not very good and there isn't a lot of variety to many of her performance. I do believe she had potential to be a great actress had she lived into the '60s and '70s, when movies generally got a lot more mature.

 

It doesn't matter how one-note her acting often was, however, because her screen presence was so electric. She made any movie/scene she was in worth watching with her charisma and astounding beauty. I just wish she'd made better movies. "Some Like It Hot" is probably the best one...I just find it frustrating because I hate the Tony Curtis character/performance. But I digress...back to my original point - I still think watching one of her shallow movies would be more fun than watching a serious, well-crafted, and intelligent movie about someone pretending to be her. There's just no way it can compare to the real thing. Might see this out of morbid curiosity someday, but I'll probably always be reluctant.

post #13 of 28
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Greg David told me a story he'd read about from a friend of Monroe's.

 

(paraphrased from spotty memory!!!)

 

It was about just how much CONTROL she had over that Blonde Bombshell persona.  It was to the point where she could supposedly walk along a street in broad daylight without anyone being the wiser.  That is until she'd tell her friend, "Wanna see me turn it on?"  Then she's suddenly lighten up and draw the attention of everyone on the street.

 

Exaggerated or no, I like that story because it goes along with Naisu's point about her really only having one-note.  But the CONTROL she had over that note!!!

post #14 of 28

Her best movie, from what I understand, is The Seven Year Itch (I say that without having seen a lot of her other movies).

post #15 of 28
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This is a fun article that was linked over through Badass:

 

http://thehairpin.com/2011/10/scandals-of-classic-hollywood-the-unheralded-marilyn-monroe

post #16 of 28

Great Article. Really informative for someone like me who knows relatively little about Marilyn.

 

Edit- Sorry.

 

post #17 of 28

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post #18 of 28

Just kidding. Bad joke.

 

Anyway i am definitely going to catch this when it opens.

post #19 of 28

Haha I just wasn't able to follow the thread in any capacity anymore is all. 

 

So what's the best Monroe movie?  Some like it Hot?

post #20 of 28

Probably. I haven't seen all of them, but I've seen a bunch, and that's clearly the best one of the lot. It would have been perfect if not for the shitty, shitty Tony Curtis character. "The 7 Year Itch" is known for the iconic subway grate scene, but it's pretty cheesy. At one point, the goofball main character says to someone (as a "funny" wisecrack/one-liner), "For all you know, I have Marilyn Monroe up there!" (she's not playing herself in the movie). So lame. The problem with a lot of her movies is that Marilyn herself is terrific, but her male leads tend to be laughable dimwits.

 

The guy with her in "Bus Stop", for example, is infuriatingly annoying until literally the final minutes of the movie (a little too late to redeem him), Tony Curtis in "Some Like It Hot" is a manipulative douchebag moron, and all the guys in "How To Marry A Millionaire" and "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes" are dullards.

 

She did get a leading man worthy of her for her final film, when she starred with Clark Gable in "The Misfits". Unfortunately, the movie was a fucking mess. Arthur Miller overwrote the hell out of it, and the blatant gratuitous animal cruelty towards horses in it really tainted the whole thing. I can't bring myself to watch all of "The Prince and the Showgirl" because The Great Lawrence Olivier looks like he's playing a ridiculous wuss for its duration. Why is it that all men who act with Monroe end up acting like bumbling jackasses? Maybe writers were intimidated by her and this inspired them to write her male leads that way? I wonder how badass Robert Mitchum did acting with her in "River of No Return". Haven't seen that one yet.

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Forgetting for a second that it was "Marilyn", this just seemed like a dramatic reinterpretation of "Notting Hill". By that I mean it was essentially a "Nobody boy meets famous girl, famous girl falls for nobody boy, blah blah blah". Not to say it wasn't a well done piece of fluff, but it seemed very, very slight to me.

 

Emily Watson spent her 600 seconds of screen time being gorgeous.

post #23 of 28

Emma.  Emma Watson.

post #24 of 28

Fucking auto correct on this fucking phone.

post #25 of 28

I've been watching some clips and interviews of Marilyn ever since my interest in the film.

 

She's beautiful of course. But there's also this sense of vulnerability, sadness and deep charm that shows as well.

 

post #26 of 28

Haha Ras I took that shit personally!

post #27 of 28

Excited to see this for the aforementioned Branagh scenes

post #28 of 28

Just came back from this.

 

I liked it. Because of Michelle Williams mostly. I know Monroe probably wasn't exactly like what i saw here. But i think Williams did a pretty good take on her. She's damm near luminous in some of her scenes here. You can just feel the star power radiating off her.

 

All in all i am glad i caught this. And judging from the smiles i saw on the rest of the audience they were glad to.

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