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post #301 of 436

Quick two cents. First I'd like to say that this is a really great step in the right direction. As others have stated, I would also like a little more simplicity and less columns but since they are there, I have worked with them rather than an overhaul of a suggestion. I would love to see the community chatter right there on the side up at the top with the rest of the "NEW" stuff that's been added. Chatter is new and it is the life blood of the site. Why bury it a screen down? Also, that film strip with the photos has never really worked for me personally and I feel like it clutters the top of the site. So anyway, here is a suggestion:

 

 

 

 

post #302 of 436
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Originally Posted by Timothy Q View Post

I would love to see the community chatter right there on the side up at the top with the rest of the "NEW" stuff that's been added. Chatter is new and it is the life blood of the site. Why bury it a screen down?

 

I completely agree this statement. I'd also like to suggest that if there was a way of having the most recent community posts update in real-time on the home page, it would help to show new visitors how alive this site can be during peak hours. Imagine coming to CHUD for the first time and seeing that there have been seven comments in the forum about a new article... oh wait, there's another...... and another..... You'd realize the site has a thriving community that loves discussing movie news, and would want to stick around, right?

post #303 of 436

I like Timothy's suggestions. I'd go a step further and say that I think a lot of real estate at the top of the page is used up by the huge CHUD logo, the blank film strip underneath it (to the right of the "Welcome to the Sewer" graphic), and then the row of small article pictures underneath it. I feel like all of that could take up less space.

post #304 of 436
I agree that the top of the page is taking up way too much space. I've always thought this but I'm a guy that has my browser Window zoomed in so I didn't know if it bothered everyone else as much.
post #305 of 436
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Originally Posted by Timothy Q View Post

Quick two cents. First I'd like to say that this is a really great step in the right direction. As others have stated, I would also like a little more simplicity and less columns but since they are there, I have worked with them rather than an overhaul of a suggestion. I would love to see the community chatter right there on the side up at the top with the rest of the "NEW" stuff that's been added. Chatter is new and it is the life blood of the site. Why bury it a screen down? Also, that film strip with the photos has never really worked for me personally and I feel like it clutters the top of the site. So anyway, here is a suggestion:

 

 

 

 

 

You're missing one of our most onerous design requirements.  The "square" ad must be on the homepage.  Keeping the homepage fluid, useful, and displaying that ad is a big challenge.

 

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Originally Posted by Timothy Q View Post

I agree that the top of the page is taking up way too much space. I've always thought this but I'm a guy that has my browser Window zoomed in so I didn't know if it bothered everyone else as much.


The filmstrip is a heated issue for us.  In our click tracking study, it has consistently ranked top three in clicks away from the homepage.  I am not a huge fan of the filmstrip, simply because it isn't descriptive about the destination before you click it.  I am always wary to click it when I'm just reading.  We are continuing to monitor and adjust the click tracking study as we continue to streamline the homepage.

 

Another thing I would really love to hear some feedback on that I haven't heard so far is CHUD TRENDS.  We're tapping into our massive tag library to try and bring content to you in a new way that is sorted by post frequency within those trending topics.

post #306 of 436
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Originally Posted by stunt poop View Post

I like Timothy's suggestions. I'd go a step further and say that I think a lot of real estate at the top of the page is used up by the huge CHUD logo, the blank film strip underneath it (to the right of the "Welcome to the Sewer" graphic), and then the row of small article pictures underneath it. I feel like all of that could take up less space.

It's not blank - it's space for an ad.

post #307 of 436

Regarding the trends:

 

Honestly, I didn't really even notice it and I would hate to suggest making them more prominent when we're all asking for the page to be less busy so... this may be a pain in the ass suggestion but is there any way to use the film strip for the trends? 

 

As for the ads... I thought leaving the whole left side, the horizontal blank at the top and the big square over the community would be enough space but I don't know what rules you guys have to abide by.

post #308 of 436
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Originally Posted by Timothy Q View Post

 

Honestly, I didn't really even notice it and I would hate to suggest making them more prominent when we're all asking for the page to be less busy so... this may be a pain in the ass suggestion but is there any way to use the film strip for the trends?

 

Man, that filmstrip is a bitch!  It's getting used more than most of the components on the page, but it just doesn't feel like it is important enough to keep around.  We'll see where the click tracking takes us after a couple days of use on the new home template.

post #309 of 436
http://web.archive.org/web/20050104023941/http://www.chud.com/

Remember simpler times? When the site was just not a Wordpress theme and forum. That site had flavor and quick access to articles.
post #310 of 436

Introducing chud.com/all!

 

Here's the full-blown chronological feed of CHUD that you've been asking for.  I've been spending the whole day grooming the pagination and making it easier to browse.

 

Let us know what you think!

 

If you spot any errors or problems, send screenshots!

post #311 of 436
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post

Introducing chud.com/all!

 

Here's the full-blown chronological feed of CHUD that you've been asking for.  I've been spending the whole day grooming the pagination and making it easier to browse.

 

Let us know what you think!

 

If you spot any errors or problems, send screenshots!

 

Looks good. I sometimes miss the front page for a few days, so it'll be useful to have one place where I can catch up on everything I missed. And in general, the front page is looking clearer and tidier. So far, so good! (Now all you have to do is bring back the CHUD Man and Uncle Mitch. Just kidding . . . kind of.)

post #312 of 436
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post

Introducing chud.com/all!

 

Here's the full-blown chronological feed of CHUD that you've been asking for.  I've been spending the whole day grooming the pagination and making it easier to browse.

 

Let us know what you think!

 

If you spot any errors or problems, send screenshots!

 

This is pretty much exactly what I was hoping you'd have.

post #313 of 436
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post

Introducing chud.com/all!

 

Here's the full-blown chronological feed of CHUD that you've been asking for.  I've been spending the whole day grooming the pagination and making it easier to browse.

 

Let us know what you think!

 

If you spot any errors or problems, send screenshots!

 

Dude that's exactly what the front page should be. You should consider replacing the "LATEST" bar on the right with something like "REVIEWS", since it's kind of redundant given that the entire page *is* latest. And maybe add the community activity bar from the current front page in at the bottom so that at least something leads people to the forums.

 

The only thing I personally think it needs now is a "CHUD man" or a "daily facts" or something new to give it that CHUD-ish flavour that attracted people here in the first place.

post #314 of 436
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post

Introducing chud.com/all!

Here's the full-blown chronological feed of CHUD that you've been asking for.  I've been spending the whole day grooming the pagination and making it easier to browse.

Let us know what you think!

Nice work, that's the business. ONWARD!!!
post #315 of 436
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

 

You should consider replacing the "LATEST" bar on the right with something like "REVIEWS", since it's kind of redundant given that the entire page *is* latest.

Okay.  I'm thinking put the latest forum activity up in there.

post #316 of 436
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

 

Dude that's exactly what the front page should be.

 

1000 times this.

post #317 of 436
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

 

1000 times this.

 

10X.

post #318 of 436

Also, there are a handful of articles on the last page with the year listed as -0001.  I know the site's been around a while, but come on...

post #319 of 436
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

Also, there are a handful of articles on the last page with the year listed as -0001.  I know the site's been around a while, but come on...

 



Jesus has nothing on CHUD.

post #320 of 436
Replace the LATEST with community activity, make this the front page and call it a day!
post #321 of 436
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Originally Posted by Timothy Q View Post

Replace the LATEST with community activity, make this the front page and call it a day!


On the All page?

post #322 of 436
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post


On the All page?

 

Yeah, someone mentioned it previously that having a "LATEST" on the side is kind of redundant considering the page is in chronological order. If the most recent stuff is at the top every time, why would we need a "LATEST" on top of the sidebar?

 

I'll be honest, if the All page does this, I'd probably bookmark it as THE page I visit when I come to the site. 95% of the time I come for the latest news and to see what the community is up to. If I feel like digging, I dig.

 

It's beyond me why CHUD insists on having so many lists and columns on the home page breaking everything down by Review, Games et al. If one is looking for reviews, can't they just click "Reviews" and go from there? If someone wants to dive into game info, just have a prominent icon to click for the games page.  

 

I'm going to preach for a second so forgive me. The home page should be a source of the latest news and happenings as well as a very simple and clean conduit for navigation. Right now you guys have an improved but still cluttered homepage. As some others have mentioned; that ALL page is really what the homepage should be! 

 

While I'm being a jerk and shaking my fist, I may as well do some work to illustrate what I would like to see the homepage look like (while maintaining those things I dislike, such as the VERY CLUTTERED header and film strip!). Also note, I made the article descriptions bigger and removed the "seaweed/scum" green stuff behind them because... well, because I hate it and think it's sloppy!

 

(Also, please note I'm criticizing out of total respect. I appreciate the hard work you guys are putting into this site.)

 

 

post #323 of 436
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Originally Posted by Timothy Q View Post

 

Yeah, someone mentioned it previously that having a "LATEST" on the side is kind of redundant considering the page is in chronological order. If the most recent stuff is at the top every time, why would we need a "LATEST" on top of the sidebar?

 

I'll be honest, if the All page does this, I'd probably bookmark it as THE page I visit when I come to the site. 95% of the time I come for the latest news and to see what the community is up to. If I feel like digging, I dig.

 

It's beyond me why CHUD insists on having so many lists and columns on the home page breaking everything down by Review, Games et al. If one is looking for reviews, can't they just click "Reviews" and go from there? If someone wants to dive into game info, just have a prominent icon to click for the games page.  

 

I'm going to preach for a second so forgive me. The home page should be a source of the latest news and happenings as well as a very simple and clean conduit for navigation. Right now you guys have an improved but still cluttered homepage. As some others have mentioned; that ALL page is really what the homepage should be! 

 

While I'm being a jerk and shaking my fist, I may as well do some work to illustrate what I would like to see the homepage look like (while maintaining those things I dislike, such as the VERY CLUTTERED header and film strip!). Also note, I made the article descriptions bigger and removed the "seaweed/scum" green stuff behind them because... well, because I hate it and think it's sloppy!

 

(Also, please note I'm criticizing out of total respect. I appreciate the hard work you guys are putting into this site.)

THANK YOU for the feedback!  We are listening.  It's becoming increasingly clear that we have two DICHOTOMOUS sets of viewers that we need to entertain.  On one hand, we have die-hard CHUD fans that want the morphine drip--as much CHUD as efficiently as possible.  At the same time, we are growing the community; it's about 50/50 between new users and existing users.

 

We want to give new users something to love; something to rope them in.  But at the same, we want to incorporate the rich CHUD heritage that has made existing users fall in love with the site.

 

What you propose is spot on.  And what I propose is a hefty compromise!  We give logged in users the ability to make chud.com/all their default CHUD home.  We'll make it easy.  Just a simple one-click toggle to pick your home page.

 

The reason we don't go with the "everybody gets /all" approach is because of recent research. But we're constantly evaluating every point of data.  We want people to love their time on CHUD.

 

Again, thanks for the feedback.  It WILL be considered in the next batch of changes.


Edited by bradkovach - 4/18/13 at 8:14am
post #324 of 436

Just want to say from this user's standpoint that I've really liked the changes. I've checked out the front page a lot more recently as a result.

post #325 of 436
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Originally Posted by Mangy View Post

Just want to say from this user's standpoint that I've really liked the changes. I've checked out the front page a lot more recently as a result.


That's what I like to hear!

post #326 of 436
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post

THANK YOU for the feedback!  We are listening.  It's becoming increasingly clear that we have two DICHOTOMOUS sets of viewers that we need to entertain.  On one hand, we have die-hard CHUD fans that want the morphine drip--as much CHUD as efficiently as possible.  At the same time, we are growing the community; it's about 50/50 between new users and existing users.

We want to give new users something to love; something to rope them in.  But at the same, we want to incorporate the rich CHUD heritage that has made existing users fall in love with the site ...

I think you guys are on the right track for sure Brad, but I think it's worth saying that a lot of the feedback from the die-hard CHUD fans seems to be in aid of making the site more alluring to new users. It seems less like a dichotomy than a case of one set of fans consciously trying to steer the site toward being better for attracting the other.

Speaking only for myself; the drive I've supported toward a simpler, cleaner, more visually arresting front page has almost nothing to do with my own use of the site. I and the other hardcore Chewers have stuck with CHUD even while not being fans of the front page, which tells you that we've either found other ways to navigate it (I go directly through to forums and click New Posts), or we've used the front while grinning and bearing it. What I want is that when I steer a friend toward the site they see something which makes sense immediately and doesn't scare them off with an intimidating density of information. I want to help build the site with recommendations but the front page as it was was antithetical to that.

And to be clear, I'm just a user, not a pro like some of the other peeps offering advice, or like yourself, and I also don't say any of this to diminish the value of the data you've collected. I'm just talking about the visual ideas I find attractive/unattractive in other websites and applying them here.
post #327 of 436
I second that. And thanks Brad for reading my posts and considering them during the process.
post #328 of 436
Double post. Stupid phone.
post #329 of 436
No offense to the hosts, but CHUD really needs to merge lots of things.

Namely the comments with the forum.

The home page? Honestly it comes down to marketing and SEO. By that I mean the home page should feature the top articles of the respective categories, and each category should look like a mini sub site. Not just a search filter.

I might be crazy for saying this, loosen the definition of Cinematic in CHUD and take on other topics for sections like guy.com.

More marketing? The home page needs the ability to be centered with logo, and ad agencies can easily place their background over it as time needs. Ads can be also slipped in with listings, and I hate to use Facebook as an example.

Also have fun guys. Sometimes it feels we'll never see a "fuck you out of 10" review.
post #330 of 436
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Originally Posted by SAIRUS View Post

No offense to the hosts, but CHUD really needs to merge lots of things.

Namely the comments with the forum.

 

What do you mean by this? I think using Disqus for the comments is exactly right - it's already brought on a lot more discussion underneath the articles. And the forum is, for the most parts, a completely different animal that involves Drafts, discussion about series, directors, personal stuff etc... How would you practically merge the two?

post #331 of 436

Long time lurker etc. Finally plucked up the courage to add an account and chip in here.

 

I have submitted some images to the site before (one of which got used) and I have not been a big fan of the previous home page design, along with a lot of other chewers it seems, so was pleased to see that a redesign was in the works. However, it just seems like the redesign hasn't gone far enough to update the sites overall look and it still looks too busy.

 

I agree with Timothy Q that the All News page is the best way to go with the home page and it is a little frustrating to see you guys get so much right on other pages but not integrate those good ideas into the actual homepage.

 

Whilst I am not a professional graphic designer I have studied it to a decent level and thought I would chip in with an idea of how to update the sites look using only elements that already exist on the site. Below is a very quick go at this:

 

 

This is very rough but I feel a more streamlined 'blog' look really is the way to go with film sites like this. I think there is a way to integrate this kind of look whilst still retaining the overall 'chudness' and I hope that the above image would go some way to showing an idea of how it could be done. With the right hand column you could add in more sections if you liked (blog module, facebook integration, more ads etc) and just stretch the page as long as you wanted. I also think it is vital that you guys make more of the forums as this really seems to be the lifeblood of the site - get more links and content for the forums on the homepage and as high up as possible.

 

An important thing to remember with website design is what is shown above the fold (ie on the page before you have to start scrolling). With this design I think you get a lot of good content above the fold while still retaining most of the existing elements already on the header:

 

 

I hope I haven't come across as a complete dick just weighing in like this but I do really love this site but have felt myself slipping away to other sites to get my content because it is just so much easier to access there.

 

Anyway, I hope this helps give the developers some ideas and I wish them luck in this. Really want this site to survive!

 

*EDITED to correct lots and lots of spelling mistakes!*


Edited by soopergee - 4/19/13 at 6:14am
post #332 of 436
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Originally Posted by soopergee View Post

Long time lurker etc. Finally plucked up the courage to add an account and chip in here.

 

I have submitted some images to the site before (one of which got used) and I have not been a big fan of the previous home page design, along with a lot of other chewers it seems, so was pleased to see that a redesign was in the works. However, it just seems like the redesign hasn't gone far enough to update the sites overall look and it still looks too busy.

 

I agree with Timothy Q that the All News page is the best way to go with the home page and it is a little frustrating to see you guys get so much right on other pages but not integrate those good ideas into the actual homepage.

 

Whilst I am not a professional graphic designer I have studied it to a decent level and thought I would chip in with an idea of how to update the sites look using only elements that already exist on the site. Below is a very quick go at this:

 

 

This is very rough but I feel a more streamlined 'blog' look really is the way to go with film sites like this. I think there is a way to integrate this kind of look whilst still retaining the overall 'chudness' and I hope that the above image would go some way to showing an idea of how it could be done. With the right hand column you could add in more sections if you liked (blog module, facebook integration, more ads etc) and just stretch the page as long as you wanted. I also think it is vital that you guys make more of the forums as this really seems to be the lifeblood of the site - get more links and content for the forums on the homepage and as high up as possible.

 

An important thing to remember with website design is what is shown above the fold (ie on the page before you have to start scrolling). With this design I think you get a lot of good content above the fold while still retaining most of the existing elements already on the header:

 

 

I hope I haven't come across as a complete dick just weighing in like this but I do really love this site but have felt myself slipping away to other sites to get my content because it is just so much easier to access there.

 

Anyway, I hope this helps give the developers some ideas and I wish them luck in this. Really want this site to survive!

 

*EDITED to correct lots and lots of spelling mistakes!*

 

It's crazy how much your concept matches our current mockups.

post #333 of 436
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Originally Posted by Evi View Post

What do you mean by this? I think using Disqus for the comments is exactly right - it's already brought on a lot more discussion underneath the articles. And the forum is, for the most parts, a completely different animal that involves Drafts, discussion about series, directors, personal stuff etc... How would you practically merge the two?

Well I literally mean that instead of DISQUS, it should be forum posts associated with the article. There is a Main Forum, that basically reposts the articles, and there are additional comments below it as posts. Thing is, and DISQUS is great and all, what if I want to rep someone for a great comment? Also with 2 discussions possibly going on, why not just have one?

I agree the forum is a different animal, but the site needs to focus where people go to for things (thus also why I mentioned this in this topic, because it affects site design).

Just one approach is that the forum itself becomes the content holder, and the main site acts as an appropriate filter to display things. I do realize it might hurt the SEO not having a link though to the article though cool.gif .

So in a nut shell, the site should have sub sites, not just filters, and the articles themselves display forum posts. News posts would be viewable in the main site's formatting, but could be viewed in the forum's UI if you're in the forum. The comments displayed under the news articles could be the most recent posts, or just the highest rated.

I'd also disable the feeds. WHY?! It forces people to the site, BUT I'd create additional avenues to access the site information like the mobile apps, or widgets. Thinking from a business POV, the site needs hits to survive, and yes those ads are here to keep bringing the content of the site.
post #334 of 436
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post

It's crazy how much your concept matches our current mockups.

Soopergee is right on with his "above the fold" comments and overall layout. I don't think Chud will ever go to white backgrounds for posts but if you do, maybe use (in a subtle way) different color borders around the thumbnails to indicate games, film, columns et al.

It wouldn't be obvious to the casual visitor but I know I'd appreciate it.
post #335 of 436

I said all of this two years ago and continued too up until a week ago. It's actually unbelievable that it's taken this long to realise what a website in 2013 should look like. 

post #336 of 436
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Originally Posted by SeanCE View Post

I said all of this two years ago and continued too up until a week ago. It's actually unbelievable that it's taken this long to realise what a website in 2013 should look like. 

I was right there with you two years ago. Just glad it's happening.
post #337 of 436

Just want to take a moment to let everyone that a new header is in the works.  When we settle on one final detail, I'm sure we can post a screenshot and get some reactions before we get too serious.

post #338 of 436
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Originally Posted by SAIRUS View Post

No offense to the hosts, but CHUD really needs to merge lots of things.

Namely the comments with the forum.

 

I get what you are saying, but barring a complete overhaul, I'm not sure how it could be accomplished.

 

When the Facebook-oriented comments section was going, there was lively discussion going on below most pieces.  After a lot of complaining from forum members, it was changed back to the age-old forum format...and discussion bottomed out.  Now that it is running on Disqus, things are picking up again.

 

I get the desire to have the forums integrated with the articles more, but previous results have proved that it actually hinders conversation.........and to be honest, there is VERY LITTLE conversation going on overall in the Main Site section of the forum anyway.  There isn't much point in factoring the old members into this discussion when they themselves freely admit to rarely visiting the front page or striking up discussion from any new pieces that come through the pipeline.  I'm not singling out people in particular, but just the forum regulars as a whoie.  Why should they cater to needs in this specific area if the comments section and the threads spawned from the pieces are going to continue to be ignored by the people filing the complaints?  This is just an observation, not an indictment.

post #339 of 436
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Originally Posted by S.D. Bob Plissken View Post

 

I get the desire to have the forums integrated with the articles more, but previous results have proved that it actually hinders conversation.........and to be honest, there is VERY LITTLE conversation going on overall in the Main Site section of the forum anyway. 

 

I still think a big part of this is that pre-release threads should be used in place of a new thread for every article. A lot of the time the real conversation is going on in the pre-release thread.

post #340 of 436
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Originally Posted by Ben Grimm View Post

I still think a big part of this is that pre-release threads should be used in place of a new thread for every article. A lot of the time the real conversation is going on in the pre-release thread.

Why not post the article links in the pre release thread, and on the article, put a link to the thread before the comments system comments.
post #341 of 436

Here's the New Post page from a few minutes ago (click to embiggen):

 

 

 

Where would someone think to go to discuss Nick's article?  It's the subject of two different threads and also linked in the pre-release thread.  I think it's hard to get a real bead on how much discussion there is when it's fragmented over three different threads.

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Why not post the article links in the pre release thread, and on the article, put a link to the thread before the comments system comments.

 

They did that briefly for a few films as a test, but they sorta stopped after a while.

post #343 of 436
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post

Introducing chud.com/all!

 

Here's the full-blown chronological feed of CHUD that you've been asking for.  I've been spending the whole day grooming the pagination and making it easier to browse.

 

Let us know what you think!

 

If you spot any errors or problems, send screenshots!

 

As someone who uses the front page to find new articles, just wanted to say I really dig this. Never been a fan of having to mouse over each image in the filmstrip, so having all the new content clearly laid out is a big improvement. I'm by no means a design guy, but I do understand the "let's not just throw everything at the new people" philosophy, so instead of having a duplicate "latest" section and the filmstrip and the main feed, maybe you could include a "Featured Content" section to highlight easy jumping on points like exclusive news, interviews or popular series like Franchise Me. The only other thing I'd suggest would be that since everything's streamlined into one continuous feed, do something to draw attention to the individual sections along the top for when people do want to jump to a particular category. Maybe nix the filmstrip and make those graphics more prominent? In general though, good to see CHUD working to improve itself.

post #344 of 436

FYI this is happening soon...

 

post #345 of 436

Way, way cleaner, I like it. The only small thing I'd suggest (and I might be alone on this) is working the "Welcome to the Sewer" line somewhere around the header. I always thought that was a nice callback to the site's origins that gave it a little personality beyond just being MovieWhatever.com

post #346 of 436
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Originally Posted by bradkovach View Post

FYI this is happening soon...

 

 

If that's going to be the front page, that's a winner.

post #347 of 436

Agreed.

post #348 of 436

Cleaned up typography, less wasted header space (goodbye, filmstrip), and new artwork from Simon!

Keep your eyes peeled!

post #349 of 436

You have got to be fucking kidding me with that new logo. Jesus Christ. Why does this site find it so difficult to modernise? 

post #350 of 436

Alright SeanCE. We get it. You don't like our design. We've taken a lot of what you said to heart and tried to accommodate.

 

Now maybe enjoy some of our other threads?
 

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