Demi and Ashton...Hollywood divorce #2938474393

Quite frankly, I'm surprised they made it this long.  Fucking an older woman is hot for a while, but soon enough the realization hits that you are indeed fucking an older woman when there's plenty of juicy young meat out there on the market.  To quote Sex and the City's Samantha Jones, "No man wants to fuck grandma's pussy."

What? Oh no. Who could have ever seen this comin....fuck it, I don't care enough to even bother being sarcastic about it.

I imagine that it was actually really hard waking up to each other in the morning...Ashton realizing that the woman he made love to last night starred in The Scarlet Letter.

And Demi of course realizing that she had just made love to Ashton Kutcher.

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

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Christ, why do celebs even bother getting married?  The temptations in a normal marriage are powerful...in a celeb marriage resisting the urge to cheat must be like trying to escape the gravitational pull of a black hole.  Women lining up to throw themselves at your crotch every single waking moment has to cause the dam to break at some point. 

Not just the guys who get tempted.  When you are a regular woman, you get offered dick on a silver platter.  When you're a famous, smokin' hot chick, fuggetaboutit.  You're only as faithful as your options.

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 

You're only as faithful as your options.

What a horrible sentiment!

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis 

What a horrible sentiment!

Truth is pretty horrible, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 

Not just the guys who get tempted.  When you are a regular woman, you get offered dick on a silver platter.  When you're a famous, smokin' hot chick, fuggetaboutit.  You're only as faithful as your options.

At least women turn it down on a regular basis and get used to it froma  young age. As a guy it must be crazy.........crazy awesome.

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Originally Posted by Waaaaaaaalt 

At least women turn it down on a regular basis and get used to it froma  young age. As a guy it must be crazy.........crazy awesome.

 

Not only do we turn it down, but we learn exactly how to get it.  Men like to have their egos stroked.  They like to feel appreciated.  They like it even more when you make them feel sexy and desirable.  Stars like it even more.  So say you're Ashton Kutcher.  You've been fucking Demi Moore for a while, and it was fun at first, but the thrill is gone.  You feel bored, trapped in a relationship that has run its course.  She used to tell you all the time that you were the shit, but she's gotten too comfortable in the relationship and you feel like she takes you for granted.  Enter a hot little tart with stars in her eyes who thinks that you are amaaaazing.  She strokes that ego by telling you how sexy (ha) and talented (double ha) you are.  She makes your blood race.  She makes you feel the way your missus used to but no longer does.  Add on top of that the fact that celebrities by nature are some of the most insecure people on the planet, and you've got a recipe for disaster.  Insecure people are far more likely to cheat because they need the constant admiration of others to feel "complete". 

Fuckin' A, I should've been a psychology major.  I would have made a killing!

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 

Not just the guys who get tempted.  When you are a regular woman, you get offered dick on a silver platter.  When you're a famous, smokin' hot chick, fuggetaboutit.  You're only as faithful as your options.

Ain't that the truth. For celeb couples as well as regular ones.

What marriage and all it entails (fidelity, exclusivity etc.) is in general should start changing or in a couple of decades we'd be saying "Remember the time when only half of marriages ended in divorce?" 

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 

 

Not only do we turn it down, but we learn exactly how to get it.  Men like to have their egos stroked.  They like to feel appreciated.  They like it even more when you make them feel sexy and desirable.  Stars like it even more.  So say you're Ashton Kutcher.  You've been fucking Demi Moore for a while, and it was fun at first, but the thrill is gone.  You feel bored, trapped in a relationship that has run its course.  She used to tell you all the time that you were the shit, but she's gotten too comfortable in the relationship and you feel like she takes you for granted.  Enter a hot little tart with stars in her eyes who thinks that you are amaaaazing.  She strokes that ego by telling you how sexy (ha) and talented (double ha) you are.  She makes your blood race.  She makes you feel the way your missus used to but no longer does.  Add on top of that the fact that celebrities by nature are some of the most insecure people on the planet, and you've got a recipe for disaster.  Insecure people are far more likely to cheat because they need the constant admiration of others to feel "complete". 

 

Fuckin' A, I should've been a psychology major.  I would have made a killing!

I think I agree with every single word you said. Women like that too but again you learn early on to fend off guys. That is why when I meet a really beautiful girl with an attitude it's hard to be too mad with her. Pretty much her whole life every person she has met has treated her like royalty, how can't she have an attitude? The problem is they never develop a personality and then they hit 40 and they got nothing left. I don't think Demi Moore will be one of those people though. She seems pretty cool actually. Except I don't know how she thought this could work. I mean there might be younger guys out there who could deal with dating an aging woman but Kutcher? Does anyone look at him and think deep intimacy and maturity?

Sad to see they didn't work out. I'm hoping it didn't have to do with the supposed 'infidelity' we heard so much about, and instead the relationship simply ran it's course. The whole media firestorm over Ashton being with other women irritated me in the extreme, as I just always assumed they had an open relationship and the press was being prudish and small minded in assuming that such an arrangement inherently involves 'betrayal'

Yes, married people in Hollywood NEVER have open relationships. Unheard of.

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

 

Well they were "married", so I doubt they had an open relationship.  Unless I'm missing something about marriage.

Many people who are married are in non monogamous relationships. The very idea that you're supposed to pick a specific person as the only one you're going to be intimate with for the rest of your life is just silly, and entirely contrary to the biology of our species. If you need to team up with someone in a marriage, that's fine, I guess, but if that means that you need to constantly be on the look out for "cheating' and "betrayal" from your partner, then the entire idea just seems like more trouble than it's worth

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

I'm sure it happens, but to me marriage = monogamy.  Isn't that the entire point?  I guess I'm old fashioned.

 

EDIT:  I think my greater point is, there are severe financial penalties if someone cheats in a marriage, which is a contract in a sense...especially if you're a celeb, why risk losing half your fortune?  I know Amy Irving got $100 million from Spielberg and this was back in the 80s when he wasn't worth billions.

I think you just made my point for me. Severe penalties if you happen to have sex with someone you're not married to? Who wants to enter into a relationship predicated on fear, mistrust and threats? If you like someone enough to live with 'em and team up on your taxes, isn't that enough? Why do you have to police their bedroom activities too?

And, I'm extremely single so I'm no expert on the subject, but IMHO yes you're a little old fashioned. If it works for you that's fine, but I don't see any point to monogamy, much less a marriage built around the concept

You're not old fashioned, it's just the general rule of getting married. If you want to screw around with other people, don't get married. Period. Also, don't get married to someone you don't trust 100%. That takes care of the living in fear part.

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Originally Posted by Princess Kate 

 The very idea that you're supposed to pick a specific person as the only one you're going to be intimate with for the rest of your life is just silly, and entirely contrary to the biology of our species. 

Fidelity. It's for the birds! Or, penguins at least. They're monogamous. They also have no natural defense against predators, aside from standing still and hoping to not be seen. Ha, penguins! Nature's fools, am I right folks? 

There could actually be more here than his just fucking around on her.  Ego could be involved as well. For the first time in their relationship Kutcher, now starring on a shit show that is an inexplicable monster hit and making him an obscene amount of money, is the big celeb in the marriage. One time movie star Demi may be feeling threatened by his success.

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Originally Posted by raptors661 

You're not old fashioned, it's just the general rule of getting married. If you want to screw around with other people, don't get married. Period. Also, don't get married to someone you don't trust 100%. That takes care of the living in fear part.

Someone you don't trust to be what? To be so pure hearted they're home before 6 PM in time for slippers and hot cocoa? To be so afraid of the financial repercussions of "cheating" that they'd never dare stray?

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

This is what baffles me about Hollywood marriages, as the chances of someone cheating are exponentially higher because their options are exponentially greater...so how can you NOT live in fear constantly, especially if you're a woman?

 

 

Exactly. I don't think gender necessarily has anything to do with it even. The only way not to live in fear is to either have faith that your partner is so boring they'd only be interested in one person for the rest of their life, or, perhaps worse, that they're so pathetic they'd bury their true passions all so they can live up to an ideal (monogamy) that has no intrinsic value. Who'd want to be with someone living a lie, pretending that they only need one person? Why is it a good thing for your spouse to be faithful to you at the expense of their true desires? It goes right over my head

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

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Then why bother getting married in the first place?  What I'm saying is, what rational person would get married knowing they're not going to be monogamous?  It makes zero sense to me.

 

I've never been married so I'm not familiar with the tax purposes part.  And it really doesn't matter anyway, because that's why celebs start production companies that don't make movies; for tax purposes.  So again, if you're a celeb, why the fuck bother getting married knowing monogamy is not in the cards?

 

That's why I found your assumption that they were in an open relationship while married, to be odd.

Taxes, simplicity of form signing, ETC. Or just to make a public commitment to someone, to show your love, get a nifty ring, and the chance to dazzle people with it? Look: I'm not going to get married, probably, but those all would be reasons to do it that don't involve a fixation for controlling who someone else hooks up with

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Originally Posted by Princess Kate 

 

Someone you don't trust to be what? To be so pure hearted they're home before 6 PM in time for slippers and hot cocoa? To be so afraid of the financial repercussions of "cheating" that they'd never dare stray?

 

I'm not saying that my spouse should be home at the same time everyday to make me dinner and fetch my slippers, I just want to be able to trust her enough to where I know she isn't out fucking around when she says she's at the movies with friends. It's not that complicated.

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Originally Posted by raptors661 

I'm not saying that my spouse should be home at the same time everyday to make me dinner and fetch my slippers, I just want to be able to trust her enough to where I know she isn't out fucking around when she says she's at the movies with friends. It's not that complicated.

Wouldn't the ideal situation be one where no one has to make up excuses for where they went, or hide how or with whom they spend their time?

Well I plan on staying faithfull and married for the rest of my life.  Also Swans mate for life and so do a lot of other animals so it's not just humans.

On topic it was an odd relationship anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

Absolutely, but I think famous guys get more offers from every day regular women fans, than vice versa.  How often do you see chicks screaming for Leo or Brad on the red carpet at a premiere?  Now how often do you see screaming males for Angelina?  I'm not saying men aren't attracted to famous women, I'm saying famous men seem to bring more regular chicks out of the woodwork who are more forward with their intentions.  I think the average male fan of Angelina would be afraid to approach her, versus the average female fan of Leo who would tear through security just to touch his lapel.  I say all this because we know Ashton cheated with a regular girl...how often do you see this versus a female movie star being caught with some dude off the street?

You've got a point.  Women openly lusting after a celebrity is encouraged.  Men openly lusting after a celebrity are deemed creepy.  Female celebrities are more apt to leave their "normal dude" boyfriend for a celebrity.  The bigger they get, the more they hear about how awesome they are, and they buy the hype.  "Indeed, I AM the shit.  Why am I with this normal guy when I can snap my fingers and have a superstar in my bed?"  It's as simple as upgrading a phone to them.

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Originally Posted by Ken Savage 

Well I plan on staying faithfull and married for the rest of my life.  Also Swans mate for life and so do a lot of other animals so it's not just humans.

 

On topic it was an odd relationship anyway.

Best of luck to you, but a lot of people plan the same thing.  Plans go awry.  How many people get married while thinking "Yup, I'm totally gonna cheat on you"?

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Originally Posted by Cruikshank 

There could actually be more here than his just fucking around on her.  Ego could be involved as well. For the first time in their relationship Kutcher, now starring on a shit show that is an inexplicable monster hit and making him an obscene amount of money, is the big celeb in the marriage. One time movie star Demi may be feeling threatened by his success.

I think this gets to the heart of it. A lot of Hollywood marriages are "lopsided" professionally. When one partner suddenly becomes successful, the other gets pissed. In this case, what is Demi Moore doing lately? Outside of my dreams, that is?

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 

Best of luck to you, but 

 

hahaha

Ambler that getting bored excuse is the reason every single relationship I've ever had has failed, and I've regretted it every single time.

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

Definitely this.  It's why I frown on marriage in general...how arrogant is it to believe you will stay with someone the rest of your life?   If you're young, we're talking many decades.  Hell, I can't even imagine what I saw in my high school girlfriends and I'm only 31.  People change, they grow, there is nothing wrong with this.  It's pefectly natural.  I understand marriage is about changing and growing together, but the entire thing is predicated upon attraction, and attraction fades.  And to no longer be attracted to someone physically and emotionally but chained to them regardless because you signed a piece of paper has to be a miserable existence.  What if you want sex and your partner is no longer attracted to you?  Should they man up and do it anyway even though they may hate it, just to please you?  Or should you go without sex to please your partner?  Either way somebody's bound to get bitter.  There are just too many variables in this thing we call life to plan such a precarious future in a binding agreement.

 

I'm not dissing married people...if you made it work and it works forever, more power to you.  But please share your secret. 

 

You just described in a concise, eloquent post why I am never getting married.  Bravissimo.
 

We should start a club. I feel like a freak among most of my friends.

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Originally Posted by levrock 

We should start a club. I feel like a freak among most of my friends.

Tell me about it.  My mother is hellbent on getting me down the aisle with my boyfriend.  Ain't happening. 

ETA: back on topic, SHIT JUST GOT REAL.  This is a blind item that was listed on ONTD, and the gossip bees are buzzing that this is about Ashton/Demi/January Jones. 

Ashton dated January from 1998-2001.

That's Matthew Vaughn's baby. I thought everyone knew that by now.

I thought Matthew Vaughn knocked up January Jones on the set of X-Men First Class.

Damn, is there a line forming somewhere?

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie 

That's Matthew Vaughn's baby. I thought everyone knew that by now.

I believed that, too, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that it's someone else's.  I don't know.  Shit, she might not even know.

The moment Ashton thought yes, I badly do want to fuck another woman and that is more important than keeping the marriage with that fine woman and worth losing all the friends and family included, he should have told her so, than finalize a fair divorce.

Any other way, especially this one, is an embarrassment and useless hurting of others. I obviously don't know Demi Moore personally and that's not my story, but that behaviour of his is dick.

I don't know about anyone else, but do you know why I want to get married?

Hint, its not sex. Fuck sex. Sex is the easiest thing the world to do with someone. I can have sex with anyone, cause its easy. Living with someone, being with them, through all the stuff you love and the stuff you hate, that's the hard part. Marriage isn't something that's supposed to be 'easy', or going to come to you naturally.

I am a monogamous individual with a GF who I love. I just might even marry her, and you know what? Sometimes I hate her. She can be annoying and obnoxious and ditzy. Yet somehow whenever a chance came around to mess around or break up with her? I couldn't. Still can't. Maybe its love, maybe its a heart attack (No wait, it is loove), I am not sure, but I do know that until I do, I'll trust her and myself enough to be open and honest. 

And yes, I know I am the 1%, but fuck it. Besides, what other institution allows you to dutch oven someone and they have to love you?

edited** sorry about the rant. this is a conversation i've been having with a few friends of mine (1 to get married, 2 that are, and 1 thats getting divorced. its an interesting discussion**

[QUOTE] can have sex with anyone, cause its easy.[/QUOTE]

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff.

what? can't you? man, you gotta try it sometime, its great.

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Originally Posted by Dave Jarvie 
 I can have sex with anyone, cause its easy.

It's kinda creepy reading that and then imagining your avatar is some kind of police sketch.

Most people I tend to want to have sex with are intimidatingly attractive, thus I don't sleep with every attractive girl I meet, no.

"Never let someone else's resistance keep you from getting what you want!" 

sorry, sorry, that was meant in an 'i could do it with, whomever, for whatever reason, and its not nearly as difficult as a relationship with another person.

please let that sound less creepy.

thanks. I honestly don't have anything against anyone who doesn't want to get married. I understand where they are coming from, and respect that.

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

Which is why most people are not suited for marriage, yet almost everyone seems to feel the need to do it.

 

Society has this stigma against unmarried people, like you're either a naughty gigilo, or can't seem to complete yourself if you're not married.  It's the expected norm and that's stupid.  It's not for everybody.

 

People like yourself are probably the only ones suited to be married.  I wish you luck.

Yeah Jarvie, if it's really what you want and you're serious about it, go forth and godspeed.  For me, it's not necessary.  I'm in a fucking awesome relationship with a fucking awesome guy who challenges me, pushes my buttons, doesn't take any of my shit, and I couldn't be happier.  We're both happy with the way things are, and we don't see a need to alter it.  If it ain't broke, don't marry it.