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post #1 of 524
11/29/11 at 9:02am
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Might as well start the new thread with the announcement that the show returns January 17th.

 

Also, while Carla Gugino's love-interest character is a marshal named Karen, she's not Karen Sisco. Instead, she will be:

 

 

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Karen Goodall, an assistant director of the U.S. Marshals Service who arrives in Kentucky to assist in the well-being of key witnesses. Look for Gugino's character to be twice-divorced and to share a history with Raylan Givens: she worked with him in Miami, FX sources confirm.


Not a big deal, but the synchronicity would have been fun.

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post #2 of 524
11/29/11 at 9:10am
A month early? Sweet.

I have a feeling Winona will be murdered. Soon.
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post #3 of 524
11/29/11 at 9:15am

Hell of a missed chance, if you ask me. In whose freakish mind did the jump to having her be Sisco seem so huge? She's played by the same actress. She's named Karen. She's worked in Miami.

 

Or is this a case of my arch-enemy, IP Rights, once again fucking things up for everyone?

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post #4 of 524
11/29/11 at 9:19am
I never saw Karen Sisco. So it's worth watching?
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post #5 of 524
11/29/11 at 9:24am

It's OK, I guess. With the added bonus of being able to look at Gugino a lot.

 

Hoping she'd be Sisco is more of a "that would be cool" thing for me rather than a desire to see the character again.

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post #6 of 524
11/29/11 at 9:49am

I still think she's Karen Sisco. It says she's twice-divorced, so "Goodall" could easily be the surname of husband #2.

 

I really think she's Karen Sisco. And, as Dr. Murder pointed out in the Season 2 thread, FX president John Landgraf was a producer on Karen Sisco.

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post #7 of 524
11/29/11 at 10:32am

It says she's twice divorced, so that's the writers way of letting it be Karen Sisco if the viewer wants it to be.

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post #8 of 524
11/29/11 at 12:24pm
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It's OK, I guess. With the added bonus of being able to look at Gugino a lot.

 

Hoping she'd be Sisco is more of a "that would be cool" thing for me rather than a desire to see the character again.



I agree, with the stipulation that if it might mean we'd get Forster to show up, too, I'd consider it even more than cool.

 

The Karen Sisco show was, as I recall, a cut or two above the regular cop show of the day in terms of personality and humor, but an awful lot has come and gone since then, and I doubt it would feel all that compelling today (though if it turned up on streaming, I'd certainly test the proposition).

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post #9 of 524
1/1/12 at 8:12am

Don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, but it's "Justified"-related: New Leonard novel "Raylan" : http://amzn.to/v5waFZ

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post #10 of 524
1/1/12 at 9:41am
Nick on Twitter:

"If the first three episodes are any indication, this is going to be the best season of Justified".
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post #11 of 524
1/3/12 at 11:14am
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Don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, but it's "Justified"-related: New Leonard novel "Raylan" : http://amzn.to/v5waFZ



While I'd known that Season 2 of Justified was going to figure in the storyline of the novel, I hadn't realized it would change so radically: Dickie and Coover, along with the coal-company rep, appear to be the only significant characters carried over from the TV show, and there are several significant plot/subplot elements that appear completely unrelated to the show.

 

So, on the one hand, good-- it's not just a rehash of what we've seen. But I have to admit, I'd love to have read Leonard's treatment of Mags, or his version of Raylan dealing with the marked money.

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post #12 of 524
1/3/12 at 11:22am

Wait, is the book based on the book version of Raylan or the TV version of Raylan?  Because the characters are pretty different, mainly book-Raylan being a dumbass.

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post #13 of 524
1/3/12 at 11:28am
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Call it a hunch, but I'm getting the sense that it'll be like Bernard Cornwell's post-TV "Sharpe" novels, where he hews the character much closer to Bean's potrayal than in the previous series. So we'll get the "original" Raylan (who, as you point out, is pretty different from the TV version), but with added touches to link him up to the TV version.

 

A glance at the Amazon reviews also suggests that it's less a novel than a series of peripherally related novellas/short stories, even if it's laid out as just one story.

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post #14 of 524
1/3/12 at 11:32am

Or what David Morrell did with the "Rambo" novels. In "First Blood" he's a psychotic who gets his head blown off. After the films, he writes him like Stallone's interpretation. 

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post #15 of 524
1/3/12 at 12:53pm
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Or what David Morrell did with the "Rambo" novels. In "First Blood" he's a psychotic who gets his head blown off. After the films, he writes him like Stallone's interpretation. 


As in, he still has a head?

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post #16 of 524
1/3/12 at 1:20pm

Also, this isn't the first time that Leonard's done this: When he wrote OUT OF SIGHT, he said he pictured Jack Foley as more of a Harry Dean Stanton. Come ROAD DOGS near 20 years later, Leonard -- by his own admission -- was writing scenes for that novel picturing Clooney as Foley.

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post #17 of 524
1/8/12 at 5:10pm
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I agree, with the stipulation that if it might mean we'd get Forster to show up, too, I'd consider it even more than cool.

 

The Karen Sisco show was, as I recall, a cut or two above the regular cop show of the day in terms of personality and humor, but an awful lot has come and gone since then, and I doubt it would feel all that compelling today (though if it turned up on streaming, I'd certainly test the proposition).



 

I stumbled across and ep shomewhere or other - coming in cold, it was really, really solid. Maybe more about the chemistry of the cast than any sort of procedural or overarching story, but that's hardly a BAD thing. 

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post #18 of 524
1/13/12 at 9:34am

FYI and to get psyched up for next week's premiere

 

interview with Olyphant on NPR/Fresh Air from March 2011

 

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/13/145113773/timothy-olyphant-laying-down-justified-laws

 

edit to add that there's also an interview with Goggins at the site


Edited by VTRan - 1/13/12 at 12:10pm
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post #19 of 524
1/13/12 at 10:46am

My wife and my brother were both born on January 17th yet this January 17th will be better than every other. I'm pretty excited.

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post #20 of 524
1/16/12 at 5:23pm

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Hell of a missed chance, if you ask me. In whose freakish mind did the jump to having her be Sisco seem so huge? She's played by the same actress. She's named Karen. She's worked in Miami.

 

Or is this a case of my arch-enemy, IP Rights, once again fucking things up for everyone?

 

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It says she's twice divorced, so that's the writers way of letting it be Karen Sisco if the viewer wants it to be.


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"All of the above" is the likely explanation. Karen Sisco, the TV series, was a Universal production, while Justified is a Sony/FX co-production. Add an ex-husband or two to explain the name-change, cast the same actress again, and just let the audience fill in the blanks.

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post #21 of 524
1/17/12 at 7:39am

Back tonight and I am PUMPED. Once of my favorites on TV right now. I ripped through S2 again on blu last week and holy shit, they're gonna have to struggle to fill the Margo Martindale shaped hole she left.

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post #22 of 524
1/17/12 at 7:46am

Evil Neal McDonough!

 

Yeah, I'm pretty stoked for this too. I kind of hope they don't try to have a villain eclipse Martindale, because it ain't gonna happen. I think I'm more interested in where they're going to take Boyd this season. He's easily one of the best anti-heroes on TV right now.

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post #23 of 524
1/17/12 at 7:47am

I'm so excited for this I could pee.

 

I'm also deeply tempted to put on a cowboy hat for some reason while watching it.


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post #24 of 524
1/17/12 at 8:17am
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I'm also deeply tempted to put on a cowboy for some reason while watching it.



Umm, that seems like it might make it hard to watch the show.

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post #25 of 524
1/17/12 at 8:32am

I hate my typos.

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post #26 of 524
1/17/12 at 8:36am
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Umm, that seems like it might make it hard to watch the show.



Unless it's like a Jame Gumb skin suit.

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post #27 of 524
1/17/12 at 8:43am

No no.

 

That's what I use for watching my Criminal Minds reruns.

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post #28 of 524
1/17/12 at 8:47am
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No no.

 

That's what I use for watching my Criminal Minds reruns.



New kind of Snuggie perhaps?

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post #29 of 524
1/17/12 at 8:57am

Pretty much yeah. It's actually shockingly easy to lure country music artists into your house and torture them to death.

 

 

Except for Kenny Chesney though, sonofabitch is shockingly wiley.

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post #30 of 524
1/17/12 at 9:08am
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Pretty much yeah. It's actually shockingly easy to lure country music artists into your house and torture them to death.

 

 

Except for Kenny Chesney though, sonofabitch is shockingly wiley.



It's because he's a master of disguise. He takes off that ridiculous cowboy hat and magically turns into a 55 year-old college professor.

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post #31 of 524
1/17/12 at 9:12am

The Circassian belly-dancer diguise was even better.

 

Seriously that was one beautiful man.

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post #32 of 524
1/17/12 at 2:05pm

Not to Princess Kate this, but Chesney is wiley because he is from the greatest Grand Division of Tennessee, same county as Aldo Raines, and attended my bachelor alma mater.   Nashville is just where he has to be to sell his stuff.

 

Also, I am so jazzed about this being back. I just marathoned Season 2. I am so sad Margo Martindale isn't on here. I understand why her character had to go...but damn.  I was a regional trainer for a retail company while going to college, and I worked in these areas the show highlights.  Any time they shoot on location, it feels like home. But then they show something and I think, that looks a lot like California.


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post #33 of 524
1/17/12 at 8:07pm

Did I just witness a menacing performance from friggin' Quinn?

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post #34 of 524
1/17/12 at 8:13pm

McDonough was great as always.  I can't wait until next week.

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post #35 of 524
1/17/12 at 8:26pm

Fuckin great premiere, had everything I love about the show. Can anyone replace Mags? I suppose not, but I was never THAT concerned about it. As fantastic as Margo Martindale was she wasn't the only thing making the show great. Having a bigger rogues gallery, possibly in conflict with each other as much as Raylan and the marshals, seems like a great way to go. 

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post #36 of 524
1/17/12 at 8:35pm
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Did I just witness a menacing performance from friggin' Quinn?



Isn't it surreal what an actor can do when presented with quality writing?

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post #37 of 524
1/17/12 at 8:53pm

I'll say. Hope he resurfaces. Imagine he will at some point, otherwise they'd have just had Raylan off him tonight.

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post #38 of 524
1/17/12 at 9:23pm

Once again Raylan shows off his smarts.  I was expecting Raylan to knock the table over and just fistfight the guy, but why do that when you can just pull the tablecloth.

 

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post #39 of 524
1/17/12 at 9:29pm
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I'll say. Hope he resurfaces. Imagine he will at some point, otherwise they'd have just had Raylan off him tonight.



Didn't he?  I thought Raylan's shot killed him.

 

The table cloth move had me rolling long after the episode ended.  So brilliant and yet so simple./

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post #40 of 524
1/17/12 at 9:42pm
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 Having a bigger rogues gallery, possibly in conflict with each other as much as Raylan and the marshals, seems like a great way to go. 


I said to my wife that they could probably just run the Raylan-Winona-Karen triangle as its own storyline, and let the rest of them spend the season killing each other... and that was before McDonough got to work on exactly that.

 

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post #41 of 524
1/17/12 at 9:46pm

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Didn't he?  I thought Raylan's shot killed him.


Had to rewind the DVR myself, but the bullet appeared to go into the shoulder, as opposed to being a full-on killshot.

 

Looks like "The Pick" will be back at some point.

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post #42 of 524
1/17/12 at 9:53pm
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Didn't he?  I thought Raylan's shot killed him.



I sort of figure that if Raylan had actually killed him, he wouldn't be moaning and grabbing his shoulder-- on this show, dead usually happens pretty quickly.

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post #43 of 524
1/17/12 at 11:05pm

In the showdown with Ice Pick Nix I was thinking, "Man I hope Raylan has his backup piece, and if he does, that he can get to it and pull it in time." Turns out he had a much simpler solution. The Pick was too narrowly focused on his own way of cheating at his little game of death that he couldn't see it coming. The look on Raylan's face when he said they'd both go for the gun on one was priceless, too. You could see his bullshit detector going off and the wheels turning. Love it. 

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post #44 of 524
1/17/12 at 11:45pm

"How much money we talking about?" "Well over ten dollars." "If I ever found that much money, I think I'd go down to Mexico."

 

Also, Jere Burns watching women's tennis.

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post #45 of 524
1/18/12 at 1:24am
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Did I just witness a menacing performance from friggin' Quinn?



Quinn continues to not take getting dumped well. Poor guy.



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"How much money we talking about?" "Well over ten dollars." "If I ever found that much money, I think I'd go down to Mexico."

 

Also, Jere Burns watching women's tennis.



To be fair, there are some very talented athletes playing women's tennis...

 

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So, I guess the first thing Raylan needs to do after finding a house is to Get a security system, preferably from someone other than Jere Burns. Because with the number of guns getting pointed at her, it'd be hard to blame Winona from becoming the wet blanket girlfriend again! And I'm pretty sure her reaction to, "Sorry about the tablecloth." would be something akin to, "Damn, you are truly broken, aren't you?!?"

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post #46 of 524
1/18/12 at 5:09am

There's really nothing I can say that will significantly express my feelings on how brilliant that was. They've reached this effortless stage where it's just such a smooth engine. Everything is perfect. Absolutely perfect.

 

Just an incredible opening to what will be another immaculate season of television.

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post #47 of 524
1/18/12 at 5:34am

Ava knows how to wield a skillet like a pro.

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post #48 of 524
1/18/12 at 6:21am

As good as Season 2's premiere was, this was even better. Justified is the well-oiled machine that just keeps getting better as they go.

 

 

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post #49 of 524
1/18/12 at 7:45am
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I was glad that I was saved from disappointment, by already knowing knew we weren't getting Gugino yet, but now I'm getting greedy: can't they somehow slip in Michael Keaton as "Ray [NO LAST NAMES PLEASE]"?

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post #50 of 524
1/18/12 at 7:47am
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"How much money we talking about?" "Well over ten dollars." "If I ever found that much money, I think I'd go down to Mexico."

 



The other amazing thing about that encounter is how Boyd plays us all-- maybe it should have been obvious, but it never occurred to me that he was maneuvering to get close to Dickie.

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