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post #251 of 524
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Not a fan of trying to kill Raylan every season.  It's one thing for people like the Bennetts who have a blood feud, but for gangsters it just brings too much heat.  Much more than 1 guy.


I really like the seeds they planted that Quarles may try to tear down Raylan's reputation rather than come after him directly.  That's a great direction for the show to take with an outsider trying to shine the light on exactly what Raylan/Boyd's relationship is.  Honestly I assumed that's the direction they were going rather than Quarles just blindly going after Arlo.  It's certainly the more sophisticated move and has the possibility of putting Raylan out of his own comfort zone.

post #252 of 524

Quarles is fucking nuts. Scarily so.

 

I'm kind of seeing the ending coming up. Quarles dead or very fucked. Boyd back on square one. Raylan literally drenched in the blood of a lot of people. And Limehouse with the run of the place.

post #253 of 524
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I really like the seeds they planted that Quarles may try to tear down Raylan's reputation rather than come after him directly.  That's a great direction for the show to take with an outsider trying to shine the light on exactly what Raylan/Boyd's relationship is.  Honestly I assumed that's the direction they were going rather than Quarles just blindly going after Arlo.  It's certainly the more sophisticated move and has the possibility of putting Raylan out of his own comfort zone.


But would anyone really believe that?  Raylan did shoot Boyd and got him out of jail so he wouldn't kill Dickie.  He uses him for info.  And it's not like Boyds activities fall under the duties of a Marshall. 

 

Would think one look at his financials would disprove it as well.
 

 

post #254 of 524
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But would anyone really believe that?  Raylan did shoot Boyd and got him out of jail so he wouldn't kill Dickie.  He uses him for info.  And it's not like Boyds activities fall under the duties of a Marshall. 

 

Would think one look at his financials would disprove it as well.
 



You think Raylan arranging for Boyd to get out of jail would look less suspicious to an outside observers?  Not to mention that he has a sky high body count and a father who is a known local criminal and associate of Boyd's.  

 

Of course, he did shoot the guy and they did throw down in the marshal's office.  But to anyone who comes from outside the county line it will just look like the big back country incestuous mess it more or less is, not like everything's definitely above-board.

post #255 of 524

And Quarles has already jumped to the conclusion that Boyd has a US Marshall in his back pocket.  Which, he kind of does.  Just not in the way that Quarles thinks.  It really wouldn't take too much prodding from Quarles to get people looking into it more.

 

I'd love a scenario where all of this ultimately results in a suspension for Art (for giving Raylan so much rope) and leaves Raylan without Art there to keep him balanced.

post #256 of 524
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And Quarles has already jumped to the conclusion that Boyd has a US Marshall in his back pocket.  Which, he kind of does.  Just not in the way that Quarles thinks.  It really wouldn't take too much prodding from Quarles to get people looking into it more.

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Thanks to Wynn, though, Quarles realized he was jumping to conclusions before he acted.  But you're right, I don't think it's a coincidence that the show hung a lantern on the fact that Boyd knows how to get Raylan to do his dirty work when it suits him in this episode.  Raylan is implacable but also predictable, which for a master manipulator like Boyd is good enough even if the marshal would never, ever take a bribe. 

post #257 of 524

Yeah, I don't see why anyone looking from the outside would hesitate too much at thinking Raylan is working with Boyd. And Raylan knows it too. Which is a big part of the reason he got so pissed off at the oxy clinic.

post #258 of 524
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And given the fact that we're nearly halfway through the season already (and that the early teasers suggest that the climax of this season's events will be Raylan and Boyd side by side against their collective enemies), I won't be surprised if the season does end with Raylan more or less under suspicion--maybe even temporarily suspended?--and that season 4 will be his getting out from under that.

post #259 of 524
I love the way Duffey tiptoes around Quarles. Weird to see a big bad suddenly shit scared.

And this show keeps on giving us villians who also happen to be hilariously incompete bufoons. Love it.
post #260 of 524

Am I the only one that got the impression that Arlo has Alzheimer's (or some other form of dementia) from the last ep? Walking around the house in his underwear, apparently yelling at Helen, referring to Helen in the present tense when he was talking to Raylan, calling Boyd 'the Crowder boy' instead of 'Boyd.'

post #261 of 524
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Am I the only one that got the impression that Arlo has Alzheimer's (or some other form of dementia) from the last ep? Walking around the house in his underwear, apparently yelling at Helen, referring to Helen in the present tense when he was talking to Raylan, calling Boyd 'the Crowder boy' instead of 'Boyd.'


now that you mention it.....this could make for some weird/uncomfortable situations in future episodes.

 

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Am I the only one that got the impression that Arlo has Alzheimer's (or some other form of dementia) from the last ep? Walking around the house in his underwear, apparently yelling at Helen, referring to Helen in the present tense when he was talking to Raylan, calling Boyd 'the Crowder boy' instead of 'Boyd.'



In their EW postmortem, the showrunner mentioned that they'd brought up Arlo needing medication to keep him sane back when Raylan's aunt was still alive. So we're seeing Arlo without someone to make sure he takes those pills.

post #263 of 524

 

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Speaking of tied up, let’s talk about Wynn coming back into the house and hearing Quarles beating up on that guy tied to the bed. Was that the same guy we saw tied up earlier in the season?


Yes, as far as we know. It was an uncast extra who was willing to be tied up in the bed. (Laughs)

 

So what’s it gonna say on that poor guy’s IMDB page? “Bondage guy.


I know. He didn’t have a name in the script. It was just 19-year-old boy.

 

That was my friend Sam, Graham, and he was called 'pretty boy' in the script. :-P

post #264 of 524
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In their EW postmortem, the showrunner mentioned that they'd brought up Arlo needing medication to keep him sane back when Raylan's aunt was still alive. So we're seeing Arlo without someone to make sure he takes those pills.


Makes sense. And of course this means he's probably going to be full-on batshit when Wynn Duffy's people come to take him, which should be fun.

post #265 of 524
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I love the way Duffey tiptoes around Quarles. Weird to see a big bad suddenly shit scared.
And this show keeps on giving us villians who also happen to be hilariously incompete bufoons. Love it.



A big bad?  Has the meaning changed sinced I last heard it or are we considering the fact that he one of the few bad guys that has survived three seasons the reason.  Sorry just busting your chops, I consider Duffey more of a minor inconvenience than a big bad.

 

 

post #266 of 524

Yeah, Duffy's "badness" consisted of scaring that badass Winona and pushing her idiot ex around. There was nothing "big" about that. It still is a joy watching him squirm when he's around Quarles, though. 

post #267 of 524
I didn't mean a big bad like Mags Bennet or Limehouse. We've always seen him 100% self-conf:Dident and in control before. He's never seemed hesitant or nervous. He is no. And it's amusing.
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Sorry for the fucked up post. Typing on my phone.
post #269 of 524

What was Duffys' line?  "You can't paint over blood."  If I was Wynn Duffy I would be fleeing right about now.  Favorite episode of the season so far.

post #270 of 524
Love where things are going, especially that Quarles is indeed going after Raylan by means other than the obvious of trying to kill him. Also love Boyd getting a new long game going, with Jim Beaver to boot. Interesting seeing him put on the defensive. Last but certainly not least, this exchange:

"I got mad ninja skills, buddy."
"You know karate?"
"Yeah, and two other Japanese words."

Never enough Tim, but at least when we get him it's like that.
post #271 of 524

It was a fucking hoot seeing Raylan not only kick Johnny's ass after he went for both a gun and baseball bat, but then him rolling Johnny right out of the room and letting him keep the bat.

post #272 of 524

I'm the complete opposite of a spoilerphobe, but I definitely wish I hadn't seen the preview for next week's episode.

post #273 of 524

Also, jesus...only three episodes left already? Seems like the damn season just started last week.

 

This year's gone by even faster than Season 2.

post #274 of 524

Yeah, digging Quarles even more now.  He goes back and forth between cerebral and uncontrolled sociopath so quickly it's amazing.  I felt like tearing down Raylan's reputation would be a longer con though, if we only have 3 episodes left this season I'm worried it will come and go too quickly.

post #275 of 524

We actually have six episodes left -- last night was 7 of 13.

 

Great stuff from Yost at EW -- the whole bit with Johnny and the bat was entirely Olyphant's idea.

 

The season finale (airing April 10)  is titled "Slaughterhouse." And I bet it will be.

post #276 of 524

Good to know. Was just reading some website that -- for some reason -- listed the March 20th episode as the season finale.

 

Justified is way ahead in the, "shows-featuring-old-Deadwood-actors" sweepstakes. Sadly, Tobolowsky didn't do his utterly-insane "baby bird" impression from Deadwood, but it's always good to see him pop 'round in the role that Deadwood cemented for him...that of the cockblocking authority figure.

 

I like that Ava is apparently carrying around Arlo's meds in her bra. Third-best thing in there.

post #277 of 524
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Good to know. Was just reading some website that -- for some reason -- listed the March 20th episode as the season finale.

 

Justified is way ahead in the, "shows-featuring-old-Deadwood-actors" sweepstakes. Sadly, Tobolowsky didn't do his utterly-insane "baby bird" impression from Deadwood, but it's always good to see him pop 'round in the role that Deadwood cemented for him...that of the cockblocking authority figure.

 

we got 2 new Deadwood alums this episode...Tobolowsky and Jim Beaver as Shelby, Boyd's choice for sheriff

post #278 of 524

Lots of things coming back around in this one -- it was great to see Shelby back, and I always enjoy the hell out of William Ragsdale's performances as Gary. 

 

And I wonder how ugly things will get here. For example, I don't think Winn Duffy (great name, by the way) would have the balls to go after a pregnant Winona. Quarles, on the other hand ...

 

And another thing I like about this show is how almost everybody genuinely likes Raylan. Dewey Crowe, for example. And I like that deep down, Winn Duffy knows that Raylan has had opportunities to put him six feet under on his back in a box, but hasn't. There's a genuine respect there, I think, which makes it all the more awesome that Quarles makes Duffy so nervous. Duffy's a weasel of the highest order, but we're seeing more every week that Quarles is a damn monster. 

 

So, yeah. I'm glad there are six episodes left, but nervous because six episodes is a lot of time for lots of really bad things to happen really badly.

 

 

post #279 of 524

Also, if you haven't watched the episode yet, do NOT watch the preview for next week's episode. I'm not sure if I saw what I think I saw, but I'm relatively sure I did.

post #280 of 524

 

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we got 2 new Deadwood alums this episode...Tobolowsky and Jim Beaver as Shelby, Boyd's choice for sheriff


Beaver appeared in Season 2 as Shelby.  One episode, I believe.
 

 

post #281 of 524

Steven Tobolovsky, Jim Beaver. Damn, they're casting the shit out of this season.

post #282 of 524
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Beaver appeared in Season 2 as Shelby.  One episode, I believe.

 

yup, you're right....

 

maybe this was already known, but at the EW link above, there's a mention of who's gonna play Quarles boss/Sammy's dad.

 

post #283 of 524
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I don't think Winn Duffy (great name, by the way) would have the balls to go after a pregnant Winona. Quarles, on the other hand ...


I hope it doesn't come to that just because it's a cliche, but won't be surprised or that upset if it does - Raylan's reaction/retaliation would be a joy to behold. But I'm hoping Quarles non-violent approach to taking down Raylan lasts more than one episode, and if he does have to turn to using people as leverage it's Arlo rather than Winona.

 

 

post #284 of 524

Cliche or not, if Quarles' more subtle campaign against Raylan doesn't go so well he's going to go after everyone.

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Beaver appeared in Season 2 as Shelby.  One episode, I believe.
 

 



Well, yeah, they referred to it. He was the mine official whose life Boyd saved and who reciprocated by telling the law that Boyd wasn't one of the mine robbers even though he knew he was with them.

post #286 of 524

Just a heads up guys, there's some REALLY spoilery casting news hitting sites like Deadline in the last hour or so. So, if you don't want to be spoiled about a character who is probably off the show, I'd be careful which sites you go to for awhile.

post #287 of 524

I wouldn't consider it that big of news. During Justified's 3 seasons, the actor in question has worked on -six- other series, including multiple episodes for two of them.

 

With how characters float in and out of prominence on this show, only Olyphant and Goggins seem like they'd be too busy to squeeze in another recurring role elsewhere.

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Just a heads up guys, there's some REALLY spoilery casting news hitting sites like Deadline in the last hour or so. So, if you don't want to be spoiled about a character who is probably off the show, I'd be careful which sites you go to for awhile.

Also it does make sense to not have that character around.

post #289 of 524

I can't think of any shows on TV that move quite so fast as Justified. I don't mean the season storyline, although that does play at a quick pace, but the actual experience of watching an episode. The damn thing is over after twenty minutes, it seems. And I think that's what makes it one of the few great shows on the air this year. Only the tensest Breaking Bad episodes have that power.

 

The other thing I love, which it shares with virtually none of the other great shows (I'd say, off hand, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones and Mad Men), is a light touch. No matter how bad shit gets in Harlan, everything stays fast and funny without dropping any dramatic tension, and I think it's a side effect of the consistently terrific cast and snappy Leonard-ish dialogue. Love this show, not eager for it to go away again. I know I'll have some other stuff on when that happens, but it will still be a long wait.

post #290 of 524

Nothing makes me feel guilty of not being a writer by profession than watching Justified. I feel envious. I may prefer other shows overall but not when it comes to dialog.

post #291 of 524
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Among the many things I love about this show is that Olyphant and the writers have resisted the temptation to fall so much in love with Raylan that they sand down his rough edges; if anything, this season, he's been more of an asshole-- a lovable asshole, to be sure--than previously. Winona's first-season remark about him being the angriest man she'd ever known played, at the time, like an obvous bit of rhetorical flourish; now it feels earned.

post #292 of 524

Olyphant is really doing phenomenal work.  A couple people got a little annoyed last week that Raylan walked into the nurse's house without back-up, which is understandable but remarkable because it was about the first time that had happened.  Because he basically does that every week.  He's constantly walking into situations where we know more about the danger and the villains' plans than he does, which is a tricky thing to pull off, since it could easily get frustrating to just watch him play catch-up to where we were already at.  But Olyphant brings such charm and a sort of grounded, believable intelligence to the role that I never get impatient watching him talk his way through to conclusions that are foregone to us.

post #293 of 524

I can't put my finger on why, but the last episode just didn't sit well with me. I understand it was a build up episode, but I found myself really bored by it all. Perhaps because I am spoiled by the usual bang bang bad guy is dead that normally happens.

post #294 of 524
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Among the many things I love about this show is that Olyphant and the writers have resisted the temptation to fall so much in love with Raylan that they sand down his rough edges; if anything, this season, he's been more of an asshole-- a lovable asshole, to be sure--than previously. Winona's first-season remark about him being the angriest man she'd ever known played, at the time, like an obvous bit of rhetorical flourish; now it feels earned.


I love that everyone that works with Raylan seems to semi-hate his guts.  

 

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post #296 of 524

Sammy's suits. I love how they made the suits too big for the actor, really visually reminding us he's the son doing the daddy's work, kinda a fish out of water. Not only is the suit too big but the shirt is too, with a collar that doesn't even touch his neck when it's buttoned up fully. "Sammy--it's dress the part, be the part.."

post #297 of 524

Lotta terrific dialog and captivating interplay between various characters tonight. But that cop car going kaboom was an embarrassment.

post #298 of 524
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Lotta terrific dialog and captivating interplay between various characters tonight. But that cop car going kaboom was an embarrassment.



Worst CG fire since The Expendables.

post #299 of 524

McDonaugh = MVP.  When he pulled on Sammy my heart skipped a beat.  Dude looked like he would really kill for that role.

post #300 of 524
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Lotta terrific dialog and captivating interplay between various characters tonight. But that cop car going kaboom was an embarrassment.


Couldn't the producers, at the very least, call The Mythbusters  - wink.gif  - to really blow up that car...?

Although, if they saved some money by NOT blowing up the car and gave the money to the writers of this show, it would be worth living with the bad CGI.

 

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