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post #51 of 524
What an outstanding hour of television. Last night's episode far exceeded my expectations. Such an incredible show that just keeps getting better. I kind of thought they'd pay off the whole "Raylan's back to his A game" until towards the end of the season, but nope, as soon as Ice Pick Nix showed up, I knew we were going to get our payoff. But what an incredibly executed payoff! 

 
post #52 of 524

Man, that standoff between Raylan and The Pick was just great. Loved how Winona seemed more confused than scared when he asked her to start counting. Also that "You're Locked In With Me" moment with Boyd and Dickie was amazing. Also, Dewey Croux is my favorite character. Dude's such a lovable simpleton.

post #53 of 524
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As for Raylan being on his "A" game... doesn't that usually result in a quick, clean kill? I think the fact that Nicks lived, at that close range, is an indication that he's still not 100%.

post #54 of 524

At that range, the shot was intentional. The guy was essentially unarmed, shooting him at all was a bit "grey", plugging him twice in the heart would've been hard to... well... justify.

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As for Raylan being on his "A" game... doesn't that usually result in a quick, clean kill? I think the fact that Nicks lived, at that close range, is an indication that he's still not 100%.



I had the feeling that he didn't want to kill him, just maim him, so he could arrest him and get more information, but I guess it's possible that it wasn't a clean kill. But the way they were setting things up in the beginning at the firing range definitely seemed like it was meant to pay off in tension with the final standoff either way (and it worked).

post #56 of 524

Where are people getting the thought that Raylan was back to his 'A' game?  He could barely hit the target at the beginning of the episode and had been messing things up all through the episode.  Sure he outwitted the Icepick but that was always going to happen, that he only managed to hit him in the shoulder shows that he is still off his game with regards to being the Cowboy Gunslinger that he has been thoughout the series.  I think that he will be slow to regain his aim to make things a little more interesting for a few episodes but then it wil be back to straight shooting.

post #57 of 524

Raylan had the gun, Ice Pick wasn't going anywhere. If he wanted the Pick dead he could've just kept shooting. The shot was intentional.

post #58 of 524

Loved it.

 

I was actually annoyed by the first scene between Raylan and Boyd, because it felt like such a forced and ridiculous transition from Boyd's initial (and legitimate) brotherly affection for Raylan to his snarly insistence on an apology. 

 

It dug at the back of my mind the entire episode ... until the brilliant reveal of what Boyd was really up to at the end. I clapped. So good. I believe Boyd Crowder truly is the number one Raylan Givens fan on the planet, and he was counting on Raylan to be Raylan, and Raylan obliged without even realizing what was going on.

 

Amazing work.

 

And what an awesome career resurgence for Jere Burns between this and his guest spots on Breaking Bad. I loved how Tim dismissed Raylan's fears about Winn Duffy remembering the "not a conversation" conversation, only to be rewarded with Winn's joyous leering over not being able to wait to remind Raylan about it.

 

Fabulous hour of TV. Can't wait.

 

And having just marathon'd Season Two again (the Blu-rays are beautiful, by the way) and loving all the beautiful outdoor photography, I loved the slick urban look of the failed sting. It had a whole new kind of energy that fits with the more urban villain we're getting with Neal McDonough's character.

post #59 of 524

I have to echo the previously expressed sentiment. This show seems to have arrived at a place where it can just be effortlessly great. Everyone has their shit locked down. And the script especially is just so fucking sharp. 

post #60 of 524
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And the script especially is just so fucking sharp. 



Between that and the actors delivering it perfectly, I could listen to the characters on this show banter for eternity.

 

post #61 of 524

Surely the ending wasn't about whether Raylan has got his groove back, but rather it was showing that despite his physical state being compromised his razor sharp brain is always two steps ahead.

post #62 of 524

But even that would be a turn around from before, since he was off his game in more ways than just his shooting. He didn't realize he was getting played by Boyd, didn't look at Fletcher's file, didn't immediately realize he was getting played by Arnett's assistant, etc.

post #63 of 524
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But even that would be a turn around from before, since he was off his game in more ways than just his shooting. He didn't realize he was getting played by Boyd, didn't look at Fletcher's file, didn't immediately realize he was getting played by Arnett's assistant, etc.



He didn't notice the Ice Pix's cab parked right outside his place either. Could be nothing, but it's also something that stands out and "old" Raylan probably would have noticed something was up.

post #64 of 524

And if I recall correctly Raylan's fight with Boyd was after his lousy target shoot. I'm sure that didn't help matters.

 

I don't need Raylan to be superhuman. I just need him to be Raylan. And that was one remarkable premiere last night.

post #65 of 524

I think it's preferable if he isn't superhuman. Making it a little more difficult for our protagonist at the start of season 3 is a pretty good way to keep things fresh.

post #66 of 524

Definitely. It's a fine line, because Raylan's badassery is part of the appeal of the show, but could easily become preposterous and cliched if pushed too far like so many other procedural shows and movies. They refreshingly keep him just on the right side of human, fallible, and not above consequences.

post #67 of 524

Hell that shit actually makes him even more badass. The show doesn't need to constantly pat Raylan on the back and tell him how awesome and perfect he is, dude's cool enough and typically lands on his feet afterwards. Just watch any typical network show like NCIS and you'll see them doing the exact opposite, and creating the most boring conflict free characters possible.

post #68 of 524

Yeah, the episodes showing Raylan at his lowest often contain the greatest instances of his sly, sarcastic wit and likable surliness. See: Hatless, The Spoil, Full Commitment.

post #69 of 524

So glad they aren't letting the Dickie thing go. My ONLY complaint last season was that got to live.

post #70 of 524

I have a hunch that Dickie won't prove to be such easy prey for Boyd as the end of this episode hinted at.

post #71 of 524

That skillet shot was a thing of beauty.  You reach that point in the scene where there's only a handful of ways you can see it progressing, and when it does it's still shocking in it's brutality.

 

Also, what a great job of even setting up the tablecloth earlier in the episode.  Most shows that would be heavy handed foreshadowing.  This show, it's just banter until you realize they led you there and you just weren't paying enough attention.

post #72 of 524
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I have a hunch that Dickie won't prove to be such easy prey for Boyd as the end of this episode hinted at.

Ohhh I hope not, but still he must die.

 

post #73 of 524

Can't wait for Carla Gugino.  Hope she is karen Sisco.  Not sure if it's just from the movie, but Gugino is using the "tussle stick" from Out of Sight. 

post #74 of 524

Yost has all but said outright that she is Sisco but they can't call her that for legal reasons.

post #75 of 524

Yeah they don't own the character, right? Which is amazing considering she's Leonard's creation. It's fucked up.

 

But they're gonna go around it in the most typically badass Justified way: just use her anyway but with a different name.

post #76 of 524

Intellectual Property laws, yeah!

 

Where intellectual property doesn't belong to the one who created it but to the one that paid him last in order to use it.

post #77 of 524
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Intellectual Property laws, yeah!

 

Where intellectual property doesn't belong to the one who created it but to the one that paid him last in order to use it.



While I've played with the whole "is she or isn't she" thing as much as anyone, I can't imagine it would be particularly germane one way or the other-- it's not like I would have expected Raylan to ask her "So what do you hear from Jack Foley these days?"

 

And as I said upthread, I'd love to see Michael Keaton turn up as Ray. Maybe if Karen's still viable (and aboveground) as a character at the end of season 3, we can hope for that in season 4.

post #78 of 524


Sigh. We'll always have Out of Sight/Jackie Brown (although to make that crossover more confusing, Keaton shows up playing the same character, but Sam Jackson is in both movies playing different characters). 

post #79 of 524

I think I forgot how good this show was in the off season. How cool was Wynn Duffy, for fuck's sake? Or Neal McDonough? Or Nick Searcy, or Quinn, or even the two people Neal shot at the end? 

 

Although the other marshalls could probably go anytime. Maybe one will do just that, to make way for Karen Sisco.

post #80 of 524

I want Rachel to get more attention only because I find her amazingly cute, and I like Tim's moments of badassness too much to see him get taken out either.

post #81 of 524

Yeah, Gutterson constantly giving lip to Raylan is one of my favorite parts of the show. Not every character needs to be deeply characterized and motivated. Especially in a show so full of them as Justified.

post #82 of 524

 

I hear tell that Rachel will got a lot more screen time early in the season. I wrote this response mostly so I could use the expression "hear tell." (AbowtabonnabowwowTWANG)

post #83 of 524

 

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Yeah, Gutterson constantly giving lip to Raylan is one of my favorite parts of the show. Not every character needs to be deeply characterized and motivated. Especially in a show so full of them as Justified.

 

 

Plus Gutterson will put you in the ground and not give a shit.

post #84 of 524

Pretty much every character in Justified could lead their own show. They'd be very different shows, but that just shows how strong the writing is.

post #85 of 524

Dewey Crowe: Adventures On Mars

post #86 of 524

I would watch the SHIT out of that.  Mostly, it's him masturbating, getting jacked in the nose and impersonating everyone else he meets...poorly.

post #87 of 524

I'd watch that show.  I rewatched the Dewey S2 episode where he robs the robbers with his Raylan disguise.  Hearing him spout Olyphant's lines (directed at Crowe in the premiere episode of the show) is a national treasure.

 

Dewey-Crowe_320.jpg

post #88 of 524
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I'd watch that show.  I rewatched the Dewey S2 episode where he robs the robbers with his Raylan disguise.  Hearing him spout Olyphant's lines (directed at Crowe in the premiere episode of the show) is a national treasure.

 

 



Followed by Raylan's wonderfully dismissive "interview" with the girl who witnessed it.

post #89 of 524

 

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 would watch the SHIT out of that.  Mostly, it's him masturbating, getting jacked in the nose and impersonating everyone else he meets...poorly.

 

 

Martian Princess: You...you aren't one of my palace guards!

 

*Dewey stands naked in half-assed green paint, and extra fake arms made out of toliet brushes*

 

Dewey: Uhhh..sure I am...*Narrows eyes in concentration* Princess...Martian.....gal...


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post #90 of 524

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Plus Gutterson will put you in the ground and not give a shit.


It's been hinted that there is some epic badassery lurking in Tim's past. It would be cool to at least find out what exactly he did while in the military.

 

(Yet, he'll always be Craig Snow from the "Raisin in the Sun" episode of Strangers With Candy to me. One of my favorite episodes of anything, ever.)

post #91 of 524

Well, we know he is ex-military, was in the middle east, was a sniper - and we've seen that he's a good one. Beyond getting into specific missions he did while he was overseas it doesn't seem like there's that much more to learn about his backstory. I could see them getting into it a little with him recounting a story that is pertinent to something happening in the plot (which he has done before, back in season one, second or third episode I think) but I'd mostly be content with him just appearing more and being more involved in the plot. As others have said, his biting. deadpan banter is what makes him great (that and the occasional apricot shot)

post #92 of 524

Didn't he tell a story about him stalking watching a target for four days straight from cover in Season 1? Raylan asked him how he got through it and he gave this non-answer about how some snipers make up back stories for their targets, but then some of them end up getting attached to the fictional persona they've created and can't make the kill. And Raylan asks if that's what happened to him, and Tim just says 'nope.'

 

That's all the backstory we ever really needed for him, I thought.

post #93 of 524

The first scene with Raylan and Boyd was just awesome slathered in butter.  Witty and fast-paced but still coming down just this side of "writerly".  And everything else was pretty damn great too, particularly the looks on Winn and Raylan's faces during the "different" conversation.

post #94 of 524

Can I just say how pleased I am to have Duffy playing a larger role for at least the beginning of this season (and I hope he sticks around for a while past that). After Raylan, Boyd and Dewwy Crowe (and Mags, though that's no longer an issue), he's my favorite character. Creepy, slimy, cool and endearingly weird all at once. The women's tennis line killed me.

post #95 of 524

Duffy's always great, the line in the second season when he oh so casually asks his henchman to "get some plastic painting sheets and some trashbags while your out" is such perfect casual evilness.

post #96 of 524
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Didn't he?  I thought Raylan's shot killed him.

 

The table cloth move had me rolling long after the episode ended.  So brilliant and yet so simple./



Such a great payoff to that standoff. Really loved it, and was definitely laughing about it well after the show was over.



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"How much money we talking about?" "Well over ten dollars." "If I ever found that much money, I think I'd go down to Mexico."

 

Also, Jere Burns watching women's tennis.


Jere Burns botoxed forehead really kind of freaks me out. His forehead was normal last season, but now it looks like he's going through a wind tunnel...

 


 

 

post #97 of 524
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Anyone else reading Raylan? I'm about 2/3 through it, and I have to say that I'm just not feeling it. A few comments below; please note that there's the odd spoiler.

 

I will admit that it's been a few years since I read anything new from Leonard, so it might just be that the natural decline of a writer getting on in years feels more abrupt to me. And Pronto was never a particular favorite (I didn't go back to Riding the Rap or "Fire in the Hole" till after I began watching Justfied), so maybe it's just that there's a connection that Leonard has with the literary version of the character that I just don't get.

 

Even given all that, this really does not read like anything close to prime Leonard IMHO. I don't know what prompted him to try and conflate the TV series with his existing template for Raylan (money? doubt he needs it), but it's a weird amalgam, and I wonder if it reads better to someone who's never seen the series: I keep waiting for changes to pay off (swapping out Bennetts for Crowes; giving Gutterson one line of dialog and never seeing him again; no romantic involvement with Ava, and only the barest of nods to his history with Winona), but the story as it's being laid out here is far less interesting than either previous season of Justified.

 

As you may have read, it's really not even a novel so much as some short stories stitched together into a loose framework. The first one (involving organ theft) hews very closely to the "book" version of Raylan: among other things, he does a piss-poor job of investigation, and walks into a trap that we all see coming, but which isn't even resolved in a clever way (he just awakens from a drug injection faster than the baddies expect).  The middle section is about Carol from the coal company, and compared to the version in the show, it just drags terribly. In some ways, I like this version of Carol---she's much more hard-headed and cold-hearted about the inevitability of the miseries that coal mining inflicts---but she's so casual about condoning murder that she comes off as an unprofessional loose cannon, and having Boyd follow her around was fine as a subplot in the series, but since that's all he's given to do here, it feels like a waste.

 

And what prompted me to fire this off before I've even finished the book is that Leonard just had Raylan shoot a hat off an armed thug's head; this despite the book more than once reminding us that Raylan doesn't draw unless he's going to shoot to kill.

 

Maybe the last 60 or so pages will pull it all back together for me, and I'll regret having said all this. But I'm not particularly confident.

post #98 of 524

WHEN IS IS THING AVAILABLE ON DEMAND?

 

Sheesh.

post #99 of 524

FX waits a week. Annoying as hell.

post #100 of 524

According to Herc over at AICN:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Karen Goodall is confirmed in tonight's episode as being Karen Sisco.

 

Now if we can only get Michael Keaton to consider a season-long, Raylan-team-up arc for next year...

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