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post #1 of 63
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I haven't seen this yet but I know that it's been screened and want to hear some early reactions. The reason why is because I'm really looking forward to this which is amazing considering how much I FUCKING LOATHE Guy Ritchie but I couldn't believe how much I enjoyed the first flick and regret not seeing it at the theater, so I'll be seeing part 2 Friday night. Now, it's clear that they've followed Nolan's Batman model by using the first movie as the stepping stone to a clash between the hero and his arch-nemesis in part 2 (Batman vs. The Joker = Holmes vs. Moriarty) but I'm just hoping that they don't fuck up Moriarty by making him a generic Bond villain looking to start a war for profit and power. That would be beneath him. No, I'm hoping for some sort of insane ideology like, say, he believes that by starting a global conflict, it would help push innovation in science and technology and, yes, it would cause a lot of death and destruction but in the long run the advancements made in engineering and medicine would outweigh the costs. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions and all that. Kinda like how Ozymandias, in Watchmen, believed that by killing millions he would save billions.

 

Anywho, so far the reviews say that it's better than the first, so what say you?

post #2 of 63

Caught the midnight last night, enjoyed it. It's a brisk movie, at times perhaps, too fast. It took me a little while to figure out why everything that was happening was happening. As much as I love Mark Strong in anything, his original villain is totally outclassed here by Lane from Mad Men. The scenes between Sherlock and Moriarty are great, they're two master chess players and play wonderfully off one another. They share a great Hero-esque moment near the end which is just fun to watch. Yeah, it's all about the chemistry here, Sherlock and Watson still have great rapport, Sherlock and Moriarty, Stephen Fry (who plays Mycroft Holmes, Sherlock's brother) and just about anybody. It's fun, breezy and because it's a lot less 'Scooby Doo', I would take it over the first one. The movie just hits the ground running and never lets up.

 

The action is much better, too. They escape from a munitions factory and head off into the woods and it features some well done speed ramping and musical hits, plus some fun 'hey, there's Guy Ritchie!' editing. He really makes the Holmes-vision and fighting pop this time around. Definitely check it out.

post #3 of 63

It has almost all of the same problems as the first.  That said, while I felt the first started off really well and became gradually dull as it went on, this was a bit of the reverse; I wasn't particularly into it early on, but once Sherlock met Moriarty I started waking up, and I was genuinely into the last 10 minutes or so.

post #4 of 63

How's Rachel McAdams?

 

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 I heard her character has a cameo and gets taken out pretty quickly in the film.

 

 

post #5 of 63

Not bad, but pretty clearly on auto-pilot.

 

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She's out of the film before the title card comes up.

 

post #6 of 63

There's a dick load of behind the scenes trouble on this that I know from first and second hand. I'd love to see them get out one day.

post #7 of 63

Tell me more!

post #8 of 63

Only in the chatroom.

post #9 of 63

Liar!  You're not in there!!!

post #10 of 63
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Only in the chatroom.



Fucking tease.

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There's a dick load of behind the scenes trouble on this that I know from first and second hand. I'd love to see them get out one day.



No surprise there. I'd love to here more though. Too bad I don't chat

post #12 of 63

We demand all the gossips! 

post #13 of 63

Enjoyed this more than I thought I would. Noomi Rapace is a waste, as her character becomes less important the more she appears and by the end has a bit of false drama that felt tacked on. Downey Jr. and Law are great together, and the homosexual subtext nearly becomes text as a train car scene (on Watson's honeymoon night!) is filmed like a love scene. 

 

Too bad about the ending. 

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I know Holmes faked his death this way in the books, but he had such a look of peace on his face I thought it could've been a fitting end. With Adler's death and Watson moving on, there's an undercurrent of depression throughout the movie. Holmes going over the waterfall plays like suicide or "death by cop"...until the very end is played as a joke.

 

 

 

post #14 of 63

I second everyone in saying that it's surprisingly not bad -- the reviews had me prepared for something excruciating. But it was pretty much equal with the first in terms of quality. That is, it's a total whiff of forgettable entertainment. Everything that was good in the first is good here (Holmes/Watson especially), with some added fun from Moriarty, who does end up feeling like a worthy antagonist for Holmes despite not having enough screen time or much in the way of character beyond being a super smart, super evil dude. His plan, of course, is generic as shit -- along with Red Skull, Moriarty deserves a medal for plotting the most uncreative evil genius plan of 2011.

 

Basically, the central "mystery" is not really a mystery at all, any more than there is a mystery in any action movie or blockbuster where the villain has a master plan the hero needs to crack. They seem to have more or less thrown out the Doyle stories and just used the loose idea of a wisecracking genius with fighting skills as a jumping off point for making a generic action movie plus Downey and gay jokes -- since I've never read the stories, I'm not bothered by this, and because there's always the BBC's Sherlock a straight-ahead Holmes movie adaptation doesn't sound overly necessary anyway (although it might be nice).

 

The photography/editing is stunning, and is pretty much the only area where a huge step up is taken. These movies don't really care, it seems, about telling a great story along with their action/comedy, and all the attempts at intrigue come across as mostly stupid and uninteresting (which makes the drama around them seem silly -- especially with Zimmer's blaring score playing over every single moment). The random, careening story doesn't help -- at one point, it looked like the characters went from Paris to Scotland suddenly, complete with scenic location photography that seemed totally incongruous with the rest of the film, and then appeared in the Swiss Alps. But at that point I had long decided to just go with it.

 

Er, yeah -- weirdly long post for a movie like this. Ultimately I don't think I'll even remember it in two days unless prompted to.

post #15 of 63

Double post. Argh.

post #16 of 63

Well done to Guy Richie for taking the exact same bad guy plot as the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and making a better fist of it. Not to say this is a good film, it's not, but it was passable entertainment, and the ending was actually climatic, until a lot of blockbusters which can't top their first halfs (see Captain America's final battle)...at least until the way Holmes outsmarted the Prof is revealed, which is dumb as all shit, and really removes any threat the villain posted...

post #17 of 63

Although the rest of the film will rise or fall solely on your judgment of the first (although, admittedly, this one is a little better in parts, with a more compelling villain and a generally tighter story despite the lurching from one location to the next), a few of the scenes were surprisingly very effective.  Jared Harris underplayed Moriarty to perfection, with just enough suave charm and slow-boiling menace to sell the role, and his scenes with Holmes worked really well.

 

Stephen Fry also takes the credit for one of the most unexpected movie moments of 2011.

post #18 of 63

i'm pretty shocked at the decent reception this is getting on here. I genuinely found this flick to be a loud, boring slog, with the type of lazily convoluted patchwork script that sunk the Pirates, Transformers and Tron franchises. There's no story here, only frantic, witless banter and location changes filling time between over-stylized action setpieces. And unlike the Indiana Jones or Bond films - which tell their tales in broad, pulpy strokes - Sherlock Holmes  bogs itself down in dour, exhaustively explained minutae, killing all momentum and fun. At a certain point I realized I genuinely had no idea why anyone was doing the things they were doing and, after trying valiantly to piece it all together, found myself utterly giving up.  Rather than a tight clockwork mystery yarn, it's a bloated mess, made only slightly coherent by a handful of never-hinted-at last minute revelations. Moriarty's red book? The twins? Za?!

 

Sure there's stuff to like (Meathook dance, Stephen Fry, the climactic verbal chess match, 3 Mules for Sister Sara), but it's mired in such obnoxious sloppiness that I found it impossible to care.   

 

This was one of my more unpleasant film-going experiences of the year.

post #19 of 63

I really liked this sequel much more than I was expecting. I was kind of 'meh' on the first film, where I didn't care for the villain at all.

 

But here Harris as Moriarty is great - and just about everything is better this time around.

 

Yeah, Moriarty's master plan is a bit generic (someone else upthread mentioned how similar it is to "League of extraordinary gentlemen" plot, and they are right), but it is executed rather well I think.


Edited by Hyperspace - 12/18/11 at 1:27pm
post #20 of 63

I had a good time with this movie. It was much better than I expected going in. The only complaint I can really level at it is the final showdown is a cop out.

post #21 of 63

It would have been better if whether or not Holmes died had been kept ambiguous, but if there's one thing the ending is, that's consistent with the tone of the rest of the film.  As soon as I saw Mycroft's oxygen supply be briefly introduced to the audience, I knew it would serve some cop-out purpose before the credits rolled.

 

What I didn't like was Holmes playing hide-and-seek with Watson, his eccentricity notwithstanding.  Even for him, it seemed pretty ridiculous.

post #22 of 63

I mostly hated it.  I hated both this version of the character and Downy's performance, it was such hammy schtick.   Was Holmes as big a twit in the first movie?

 

No story, just set pieces, tedious.

 

The only one who was fun to watch was Rachel McAdams, and she was gone right off the bat.

 

And just to solidify my label as a pedantic old man, I'm sick to death of speed-ramping, and incomprehensible shaky-cam fights.  The Shaw brothers didn't need that kinda crap [edit: to make an exciting action scene, well, apart from some slow-motion].

 

Edit: Also I'm not very bright, and confuse Mcgowan and Mcadams.


Edited by MrBananaGrabber - 1/6/12 at 3:18pm
post #23 of 63

When it dealt with Moriarty, it was pretty fun. Jared Harris was pretty damn good. When it dealt with gypsies and action setpieces, it was kind of bad. It had various pluses and minuses, but the sum total was very similar to the original, and I like Downey and Law so I give it a pass. As far as bloated blockbuster franchises go, I can't help but be amused by its upstart pluck.

 

I didn't really like the action stuff, but the train sequence was decent. And I really liked the final Holmes/Moriarty sequence, even the very ending.

post #24 of 63

Maybe it makes me the opposite of a pedantic old man (a childish, easily dazzled technophile?) but I dig speed ramping, and I think, when used correctly, it can make for some visually impressive action scenes. It can be really gimmicky and overdone (Sucker Punch), but I thought it was used correctly and seemed in keeping with the visual aesthetic of the movie in this case.

 

But I also like shaky cam sometimes (in this it was fucking awful though), so my opinion might be worthless to some.

post #25 of 63

I actually love the look of speed-ramping (going from fast to super-slow, specifically).  I simply don't like it when it gets in the way of a movie.  Anything can be used poorly or well.  I thought the best use of speed-ramping this year may have been in Captain America.  It really sold Cap's use of his shield in terms of weight and power.  It was just a very practical use of the technique that disappeared within the context of the movie.

 

I love shakey-cam when it's edited and paced properly.

post #26 of 63

I liked it. Especially the fight scenes that showcase Holmes fighting skills. The Moriarty/Holmes mental fight scene at the end is a big highlight for me.

 

Noomi Rapace's character is kinda pointless. But there's a natural toughness to Noomi (that i saw in her Dragon Tattoo films) that makes me forgive her a little. I wouldn't exactly call her pretty or beautiful. But Rapace is great in playing strong determined characters. Which bodes well for her Ripley type role in Prometheus. 

 

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Really surprised the way they delt with the Irene Adler character. Though I suppose its conceivable they could find a way to bring Rachel McAdams back in a sequel if they wanted.

 

 

post #27 of 63

I walked out of this with one thought:

 

That was a completely unnecessary film.

 

The first, I felt, was much better.  I likened the differences to people always clamoring for Batman to be filmed as The World's Greatest Detective.  The first film catered to my love of Hercule Poirot and that smug detective condescension.  This one was George Clooney and codpieces.

post #28 of 63

Just saw this film, horrible. I think I might hate Downey Jr. as a performer now, he's looks permanently smug, which he's mistaking for the charm we once loved. He comes across as if watching himself on the monitors. Far too aware, far too mannered, like he's in an MTV movie awards sketch. He's unlikely to be engaged with the material, but when you're being paid that kind of money, put the effort in*. 

 

The only highlights for me were Jude Law and Stephen Fry, who were both excellent, Law especially has fantastic comic timing and appears natural, getting the biggest laughs in my audience. Noomi Rapace had nothing to do at all except eat, drink and wear a hat. 

 

*Tom Cruise.


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post #29 of 63

I liked it.  Not much more I can add that hasn't already been said on either side of the discussion.  I'll watch a third if one is made.  If one isn't?  That's OK too.  Pretty much sums up my feelings on both films in this series.

post #30 of 63

I really enjoyed the first film and have always been pretty lukewarm toward Ritchie.  This entry was pretty terrible I felt.  It's interesting how Downey's underdog comeback charm that so elevated Iron Man and the first Sherlock has completely worn out its welcome to the point that I just wanted to punch him in the face in Iron Man 2 and this.  Apparently those films worked solely on his charisma and how much we as an audience missed him.  I had no clue what was going on for the first 45 minutes of this train wreck.  Why did he fight those 4 dudes at the beginning?  Did he kill one of them!!??!!  I like how they killed off his love interest from the first film in the first five minutes.  Glad I invested in that relationship.  Noomi Rapace did have a neat hat indeed, I liked how she got no wrap up speech to her character.  Your brothers dead, now fuck off plot device.  Holmes detective abilities came off less like innate gifts than excuses for flashy editing and camera tricks, very visually incongruous with the setting, character and narrative. 

 

There's a point near the conclusion where I realized I was watching Dude Law and Noomi Rapeace look for some guy we've never seen or known in the first place disguised as some other guy we don't know so as to prevent him from assassinating a guy we don't know or care about because it would kickstart a World War we know didn't happen in this cinematic world we never believe in.  As the AV Club's Nathan Rabin would say, achingly inessential.

post #31 of 63

While I didn't hate this, it suffers from all the same problems as the first magnified a hundredfold. Sherlock Holmes stories need to be at least partly a mystery, and Ritchie just has no interest in that. A proper mystery should feature an element, or elements, that surprise, baffle and intrigue you so that Holmes can later reveal what was actually happening. The first movie at least got that part right, with the seeming supernatural mystery. In this it was just, as has been pointed out, a flurry of stuff that you never noticed or cared about, and that's entirely on Ritchie rushing through to get to the action bits. Which is not really what Sherlock Holmes is supposed to be about. Meanwhile, the gay subtext is tiresome, Noomi Rapace is a big blank, Stephen Fry is always welcome but he's basically wasted, and killing off Irene Adler made me actively angry and predisposed to dislike the movie. I don't think I've been so annoyed by the casual offing of a love interest since Austin Powers 2, which at least had the excuse of being a silly comedy. Also, while Jared Harris was decent (not great) as Moriarty, the character was incredibly lazily written. Only that final mental combat scene made him seem like a worthy adversary for Holmes. Unfairly or otherwise, this series is undermined by coexisting with the terrific Benedict Cumberbatch/Stephen Moffat series, and Moriarty adds to that--the TV show actually uses the same basic idea for Moriarty, that he's a faceless cipher, and turns it into one of the most distinctively weird and memorable iterations of the character we've ever seen. Harris just comes across as your slightly pervy old uncle, not as someone capable of outwitting Holmes.

 

 

post #32 of 63

Never saw the first, but thought this was a slight but reasonably entertaining time.  But the criticisms are spot on.  The first hour is a really incomprehensible despite the fact that there isn't really a central mystery to speak of.  And the whole thing with Rapace and her brother was completely undercooked.  I don't know that there's any reason that this should've stretched past 100 minutes, but Law and Harris saved a lot of it. 

 

One thing that irked me was that not only did they fake out Holmes dying twice in the last hour, its also easy to see both McAdams and Moriarty resurfacing in further installments if they're so inclined.  I understand why they don't want to kill off main characters left and right in a franchise like this, but for god's sake, don't puss out 4 times in a single entry.

post #33 of 63

I enjoyed it. Ripping on incomprehensible plot mechanics in a film like this would make sense if I didn't have immediate experience reading Edgar Wallace pulp mysteries and the work of Shane Black (and a lot of shit in between)*. Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang sort of immediately came to mind in that the central mystery is convoluted and unimportant outside of bringing the leads together, as they generally are in everything Black has written (and of course, b/c of Downey Jr). What Black is really wanting to get at, by way of Chandler, are the character interactions, chiefly between two male protagonists w/ disparate personalities, and how they eventually come to find common ground, admiration, and friendship. I mean, I can't even really remember what Corbin Bernsen was trying to do, or why an actor would be all henchmanned-up like Lex Luthor, but it didn't matter, b/c like Black, I didn't care about him, I was watching Downey and Kilmer absolutely kill every scene they were in. Fucking no one compliments the actual plot of Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang.

 

In these Sherlock Holmes films, it's effectively the same thing. We are not meant to be able to piece any of Holmes' observations together on our own. Like many other stories featuring a detective of preternatural competence, we know nothing until they illuminate it for us. The (action blockbuster) adjustment in these films is that Holmes' observational skills are generally used as lead-ins or enhancements to Rube Goldbergian setpieces. Watching Holmes take tactical advantage of offensive and defensive nooks in his environment. I think they work quite well because of the tactile sense of place that these films get from their absolutely wonderful production design.

 

This sequel benefits from the leftover chemistry of Downey and Law from the first picture, and a goddamn excellent villain. It doesn't matter that Moriarty isn't especially deep in terms of motive. Arthur Conan Doyle's insertion of Moriarty into Holmes' universe wasn't anything he was building to, he was just tired of writing Holmes stories and needed some character that could conceivably be the perfect final foil for a creation that had become cumbersome. I don't think it's a coincidence that the story that Doyle had hoped would finally be Holmes' last was titled "The Final Problem". I loved every moment Harris was on screen, and though you knew Holmes would triumph, and I knew fairly specifically where and how they would have their climactic battle, it was great watching the deceptively polite, intellectual fencing match between these two iconic characters.

 

Noomi Rapace? It's a good performance, technically speaking, but her character is a plot device and nothing more. Done and done. Rachel McAdams? She's the Rachel Dawes of these films, she's meant to give the emotionally reserved, hard-to-know, and virtually sexless hero a very personal investment for taking on the villain. Frankly, I liked how Holmes' reaction to her death was played. He's obviously devastated, but once the news is processed, it's totally repressed and he, as they say, just cracks on with it, as does the film. If anything, that's a fairly spot on handling of the Doyle's character. 

 

 

 

*I will admit that in a movie so concerned with being propulsive, there's a lot of incongruity when they do observational call backs to stuff like "the twins". It all happens so fast that there's never really any clever deceit or sleight-of-hand in the writing, which can come off as pretty lazy.

 

 

 

 

post #34 of 63

So why did they blow up the building full of people to cover up the gun shot assassination?  Wouldn't the bomb kind of take care of the assassination aspect in the first place?  Isn't it easier to make a bombing look like an accident than a bullet?

post #35 of 63

The implied logic is that the intended target could conceivably survive the blast, hence the sniper to make certain that the target is eliminated and the bomb to cover the rather specific murder and further political tensions. This method is setup in the auction scene.

post #36 of 63

I suppose in this cartoony movie surviving a massive explosion is a borderline sure thing...  Good thinking assassins.

post #37 of 63

Out of anything in the film, that's one of the least problematic elements as it makes sense in terms of Moriarty aiming to reduce probability (people survive crazy shit all the time). Seems too obvious to miss if one is actually paying attention.

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One thing that irked me was that not only did they fake out Holmes dying twice in the last hour, its also easy to see both McAdams and Moriarty resurfacing in further installments if they're so inclined.  I understand why they don't want to kill off main characters left and right in a franchise like this, but for god's sake, don't puss out 4 times in a single entry.

 

 

The only way I'll come back for another is if they bring back McAdams as a steam-powered cyborg.

 

A giant steam-powered cyborg.
 

post #39 of 63

Yeah, if I was Jude Law I would say "sorry fuck you" to this franchise right about now. Downey appears to be riding high on his own celebrity and seems completely unaware he is slowly turning into an even more cocky and douchey version of Tony Stark. I mean, at least he's not on drugs. And I guess Law needs a steady paycheck since he simply doesn't get good roles anymore. But he should, damn it. The guy's good.

post #40 of 63

I'm with Doc except for where he says it's perhaps too fast. When the plot is so run-of-the-mill you don't need a film which lets you dwell on it and the plot of this film is just an excuse for set pieces and banter, both of which it has a really good time with.

 

It's a significant improvement over the first Ritchie Holmes in pretty much every way.

 

One thing though; between the time Holmes made the red book switch and the time Moriarty was appraised of the switch, are we to believe that Moriarty hadn't once opened the book either to make an entry or to read it? It wasn't the only lump in the plot, but to me it was the only one which threatened to derail the fun train.


 

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Caught the midnight last night, enjoyed it. It's a brisk movie, at times perhaps, too fast. It took me a little while to figure out why everything that was happening was happening. As much as I love Mark Strong in anything, his original villain is totally outclassed here by Lane from Mad Men. The scenes between Sherlock and Moriarty are great, they're two master chess players and play wonderfully off one another. They share a great Hero-esque moment near the end which is just fun to watch. Yeah, it's all about the chemistry here, Sherlock and Watson still have great rapport, Sherlock and Moriarty, Stephen Fry (who plays Mycroft Holmes, Sherlock's brother) and just about anybody. It's fun, breezy and because it's a lot less 'Scooby Doo', I would take it over the first one. The movie just hits the ground running and never lets up.

 

The action is much better, too. They escape from a munitions factory and head off into the woods and it features some well done speed ramping and musical hits, plus some fun 'hey, there's Guy Ritchie!' editing. He really makes the Holmes-vision and fighting pop this time around. Definitely check it out.

 

post #41 of 63

Yeah, same problems as the first, same things that worked - and Jared Harris was aces.

 

He may not have his dads good looks, but fuck me he has his talent. Why isn't this guy in everything right now?

post #42 of 63

Up until the last scene, it felt like the 4th or 5th movie in the franchise.  The one that ends the franchise and ties up the loose ends.

 

Watson is married.

The arch-nemesis is defeated.

The woman he "loves" is dead.

Sherlock accepts death as worthwhile to defeat Moriarity, given that Watson no longer needs him and Irene is dead.

 

It's neat, and ends everybody's story.

 

Oh, and Irene Adler's death would have more impact if we actually saw them have more interaction than in the first movie and five minutes in the second.  And, Moriarity, as wonderfully as he was played by Harris, would have had more of an impact if they built him up beyond one movie.

 

Still it was fun.

post #43 of 63

Thats a good point neolong - it really did feel like the final film in a franchise rather than the second - and just as tired I might add.

post #44 of 63

It felt like the skipped the second film in their proposed trilogy and went straight into the series-capper.

post #45 of 63

Not that I have anything remotely invested in this franchise, but I hope if there's a sequel Moriarty returns. If Holmes could survive that fall, his arguably just-as-brilliant nemesis could probably think up some way to do so as well.

 

I just don't want another Blackwood. God, what a lame villain. Not for Mark Strong's lack of trying.

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Not that I have anything remotely invested in this franchise, but I hope if there's a sequel Moriarty returns. If Holmes could survive that fall, his arguably just-as-brilliant nemesis could probably think up some way to do so as well.

 

I just don't want another Blackwood. God, what a lame villain. Not for Mark Strong's lack of trying.



They'd be nuts not to bring Harris back. Nuts.

 

He'd quite literally be my main reason for watching a third one of these.

post #47 of 63

Yep. If there's another movie, with a villain who isn't Jared Harris's Moriarty, I very much doubt I'd bother to see it.

post #48 of 63

I liked the first, and enjoyed this one more, but they share the same faults and strenghts; pretty much everyone here has been spot on on the flaws, but I think the movies has enough charming moments and its a fun time at the theater, nothing else, nothing more.

 Im betting a sequel would deal with Holmes returning to deal with Moran's plans for revenge, just like in the original Doyle stories.

And it might not make sense with real history, but i have a dread fear they might bring Jack the Ripper for the next one.
 

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The only way I'll come back for another is if they bring back McAdams as a steam-powered cyborg.

 

A giant steam-powered cyborg.
 

 

Who fights Cthulhu on the London bridge.

 

You know what? I say they should just steal an idea from videogames and pit Holmes against Arsene Lupin.

post #49 of 63

Oh and rightly or wrongly, these films would get a lot more goodwill from me if the lead characters name wasn't Sherlock Holmes. I dunno who the fuck this charming mental case is in these films, but he aint Holmes. This guy's some Victorian era action star.

 

But hey Hollywood, gotta have that brand recognition dontcha.

 

sigh.

post #50 of 63
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Not that I have anything remotely invested in this franchise, but I hope if there's a sequel Moriarty returns. If Holmes could survive that fall, his arguably just-as-brilliant nemesis could probably think up some way to do so as well.

 

I just don't want another Blackwood. God, what a lame villain. Not for Mark Strong's lack of trying.


100% agreed.

 

And thank god for Mark Strong.  That role would have been dreadful in the hands of most other actors.

 

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