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Thomas Jane is bumming me out

post #1 of 22
12/20/11 at 7:09am
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Jane of TV's HUNG gave a pretty grim interview:

 

 

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Jane sees the world waking up far too late in life to reclaim what has been taken. "Really? I'm 40 years old and still wearing the same goddamn uniform that I wore in my 20s? So what's the new uniform -- a suit?" he asked rhetorically. "Well, okay, everyone wears a f*cking suit. With that, you're just a suit, you're a zombie, there's no self-expression. There's no individuality within that. So it's either blend in and become a zombie, or revert to your 20s. We got nothing.

 

 

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"I had just lost the will to be a part of the planet. It was a tough time. My friend died suddenly, and it was just a hard time. I was driving home from the funeral and it was late at night and I had a couple of whiskeys in me, and it was a very nihilistic time," he says. Coincidentally, he tells David his own TV celebrity also saved his life, when a cop asked him for his autograph. That, he says, made him reevaluate everything.

 

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"Conformity is painful. You know it's too tight. Conformity leads to rebellion. So a desire for happiness is in direct conflict with a desire for freedom. You want to please society, you want to be happy, you want to be well liked, you want to be held in high esteem and be respected. These are real things. You want respect from your peers, respect from your loved ones, you want to be looked up to for your achievements and your accomplishments," he told the site. "All of this requires conformity in some form or another. It requires you to conform to laws or social norms or to societal pressures that we all abide by to get what we want which is respect. On the other hand there's a yearning for freedom, freedom from constricting bonds, freedom of the spirit, animal lust for life which is a very strong, compelling life force to follow our impulses, to be free."

 

 

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"People's reactions to the world around them, if you give them drugs and alcohol, they tend to not worry too much that you're ripping them off on the parking meters and you're putting people in office that don't know what the f*ck they're doing," the actor says. "We can go down to the bar and complain about it there instead of going down to f*cking Congress and complaining to the people who really f*cking need to hear it, you'll find yourself down at the corner bar, yelling at the f*cking bartender, who could give a f*ck, is just waiting to go home and turn on the goddamn TV.

 

 

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"That's what school is, it's a prison for your mind, and it's a travesty that we do this to our children, it's an open letter that Rockefeller wrote to the President of the United States saying, 'We need workers,'" he says, noting that he does not send his own children to American public schools. "And that's why we have the school system that we have in our country, is that Rockefeller said we need workers, people who follow directions, who are able to stay in one place for about eight hours a day, and people who fear authority."

 

John D. Rockefeller is famous for having said, "I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers," the quote to which Jane is referring.

Your family getting wiped out by mobsters can definitely change your outlook on life

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post #2 of 22
12/20/11 at 7:11am

He just wants his kids back.

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post #3 of 22
12/22/11 at 8:11pm

Thanks... but he's Tom Jane.

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post #4 of 22
12/22/11 at 8:21pm

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Edited by Art Decade - 12/22/11 at 9:04pm
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post #5 of 22
12/22/11 at 8:47pm

Yeah, it's a shame. I've always liked Jane but as an ex-high school teacher (And someone who's always been very passionate about social freedom and the importance of instilling imagination and respect over conformity), I can say that that is some stunningly naive bullshit right there. BAD teachers may have this effect, but most schoolteachers are genuine people who truly believe in educating kids to empower their future. Punisher needs to grow the fuck up.

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post #6 of 22
12/22/11 at 8:52pm

Jane is a notorious alcoholic. A good guy by all accounts, but a drunk. Those quotes sound like depressive drunk talk to me. 

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post #7 of 22
12/22/11 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB View Post

Jane is a notorious alcoholic. A good guy by all accounts, but a drunk. Those quotes sound like depressive drunk talk to me. 



Hmm, that would explain a lot. It does come across as an unfocussed rant rather than any kind of considered argument. I do like the guy, so let's hope he doesn't totally fuck himself up.

 

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post #8 of 22
12/23/11 at 12:10am
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Originally Posted by Workyticket View Post

Yeah, it's a shame. I've always liked Jane but as an ex-high school teacher (And someone who's always been very passionate about social freedom and the importance of instilling imagination and respect over conformity), I can say that that is some stunningly naive bullshit right there. BAD teachers may have this effect, but most schoolteachers are genuine people who truly believe in educating kids to empower their future. Punisher needs to grow the fuck up.



This.  When reading his rant, I wanted to put him on a plane to the Horn of Africa and then come back here and talk about how terrible public schools are for kids.  It's possible that he was just having a dark day--I have days like that too, where nothing seems to have an upside--but damn!

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post #9 of 22
12/23/11 at 7:36pm

It always amazes me how actors (and in Jane's case not even a very influential or popular one at that) think of themselves as more important than they actually are.  

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post #10 of 22
12/24/11 at 1:37pm

Because people make threads about them, report on every other move they make, ask them questions about all manner of shit they may or may not be qualified to talk about, and pay them a whole lot of money. I can understand how actors / filmmakers can get the big head, doesn't make it any less silly to see it bobbing about, but I get it.

 

 

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post #11 of 22
12/24/11 at 2:00pm

We want what's in the goddamn master bedroom on the fuckin' floor in the goddamn fuckin' floor safe, that's all! 

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post #12 of 22
12/24/11 at 2:05pm
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 I believe people in the acting professon have just as much a right and a duty to express their opinions, speak out on perceived injustices and effect change in the world as any other human

 

Not saying the Daniel Day Lewis approach isn't also a valid one, but I have no real problem with Jane's views or their expression in the public sphere

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post #13 of 22
12/24/11 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by Kevin Macken View Post

Thanks... but he's Tom Jane.

I am pretty sure you're wrong

 

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post #14 of 22
12/24/11 at 2:17pm

Workyticket - most schoolteachers are NOT genuine people who truly believe in educating kids to empower their future. YOU are the exception to the rule. And Buddha bless you for it.

Literally had a teacher bring that Rockefeller quote up this semester during a lament that most of his collegues just go through the motions, and it makes him sick.

And yt - I think he was specifically talking about American education. Other places in the world - where kids have to endure hardship just so they can BE in school - that's a different outlook.

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post #15 of 22
12/24/11 at 2:31pm
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Workyticket - most schoolteachers are NOT genuine people who truly believe in educating kids to empower their future. YOU are the exception to the rule. And Buddha bless you for it.

Literally had a teacher bring that Rockefeller quote up this semester during a lament that most of his collegues just go through the motions, and it makes him sick.
 


Actually, I don't teach anymore. And what I said wasn't about me. besides, I never said that all teachers are perfect; you get pricks in every walk of life. What I'm talking about is childish generalizations.

 

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post #16 of 22
12/24/11 at 2:42pm

It's hard not to see the continuum between what is expected of kids in their public school life and what is expected of them as adults in the workforce. To think that the threads of authority, evaluation, competition, and even scheduling (8 hour days all through) aren't part of some larger system, whether intentional or incidental, is naive.

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post #17 of 22
12/24/11 at 2:53pm
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It's hard not to see the continuum between what is expected of kids in their public school life and what is expected of them as adults in the workforce. To think that the threads of authority, evaluation, competition, and even scheduling (8 hour days all through) aren't part of some larger system, whether intentional or incidental, is naive.


Yes, schooling is structured to prepare kids for these things whatever path they take in life. No matter what career you adopt, principles like punctuality, chain of authority and work schedules still apply in one form or another. What's more naive is automatically assuming that it's all some big, bad system of oppression designed to beat down kids' spirits and make them obedient little drones. There's a difference between instilling a work ethic and brainwashing.

 

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post #18 of 22
12/24/11 at 9:10pm

I guess this is as good of a time as any to share my Thomas Jane encounter.

 

He was in town for the Dallas Comic-Con. Yep. So anyway, he stayed at the mini-hotel where I worked, and he displayed some interesting traits. He would walk around the lobby barefoot. And constantly wore sunglasses - certainly to prevent anyone from recognizing him, Thomas Jane. He also had a provocatively dressed ladyfriend, with fire-red hair. She was attractive. Lots of tats.

He was also very kind. The front desk attendant said he paid for a room for a fellow friend, and openly discussed how he had been a struggling actor himself, Thomas Jane, lived in his car for an extended period of time, and wouldn't allow that to happen to his pal.

I wish I referenced "Arrested Development" to him. Or THURSDAY.

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post #19 of 22
12/25/11 at 4:13am

Jane must still be kicking himself for passing on being Don Draper.  AMC was told, " Tom Jane does not do TV."  I guess you can't blame him.  Its a show about ad execs in the 60s developed by a TV channel that was known for old movies, and had zero history with scripted TV.  It was a long shot. 

 

Thankfully he did pass on it, because Jon Ham is infinitely superior to him; certainly for this role there is no contest. 

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post #20 of 22
12/28/11 at 12:19pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M4tdMsg3ts (ignore the title, just watch it in full)

 

And Jane makes plenty of good points, even if they're a bit unfocused.  

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post #21 of 22
12/28/11 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB View Post

Jane is a notorious alcoholic. A good guy by all accounts, but a drunk. Those quotes sound like depressive drunk talk to me. 


As far as I know, Jane has been off drugs and alcohol for a while now.

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post #22 of 22
12/28/11 at 7:56pm

I worry about how much of "I Melt With You" this dude took home with him. Because of there's any movie you don't need to take home with you, its that one.

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