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post #51 of 506

Ralph Fiennes just had an interview with The Record and granted the most information he's probably ever divulged about his secret role:  he's a government agent of some kind.

 

 

 

WHEN he was young, Ralph Fiennes was so shaken and stirred by Ian Fleming’s James Bond books that he became an expert on 007.
That childhood passion for the secret agent might come in handy now as the Oscar-nominated actor is teaming up with Daniel Craig in the latest Bond adventure, Skyfall.
Fiennes said: “I used to be a complete nerd about the books and the detail in them. They are fantastic.
“There was Fleming’s obsession with different kinds of champagne and caviar. He kind of fetishises these things.”
Since the plots of 007 movies tend to be as hush-hush as the Secret Service, it’s no surprise to discover that 49-year-old Fiennes is tight-lipped about what he’ll get up to in the film.
Smiling, he said: “I’m allowed to say that I’m a government agent.”
His grin grows wider when Isuggest that, if you went back to the books, Fiennes would make anideal Bond.
He said: “There was a time in my life when that would have appealed to me. But I’m a bit on the old side now.”
 
 

 

post #52 of 506

I've always loved the idea of Muse doing an absurd, uptempo Bond head-banger. Or better yet, Clinic.

post #53 of 506

I'd be surprised if the producers didn't approach Adele for the main theme. That could work out nicely.

post #54 of 506
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Originally Posted by Draco Senior View Post

Ralph Fiennes just had an interview with The Record and granted the most information he's probably ever divulged about his secret role:  he's a government agent of some kind.

 

 

 

 

 

Given this and assuming the previous statement about it being a role fans will recognise wasn't misdirection, I wonder whether he will be another "00". He isn't too old to carry that off.

 

I can't think of any other agents that are familiar from either the books or the films, unless it's a stretch of the common understanding of "agent" and he's the new Q, M, or Chief of Staff. If he's a villain then that would have to mean a "mole" in the story, and personally I'm getting a bit done with that storyline in spy thrillers.

 

Maybe we're all in luck and this is actually a remake of "Never Say Never Again" and he's reprising the bumbling diplomatic envoy essayed to such tremendous effect by Rowan Atkinson?
 

 

 

post #55 of 506

My theory:

 

 

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We are going to see the death of M at some point, and Fienes will be brought in as the new M.

 

post #56 of 506
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After listening to Giacchino's MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE scores, I would dread the news of him being hired to score Bond. So far his work outside of PIXAR and LOST has been pretty awful. The guy should just give up on live action work. David Arnold is no John Barry but he puts some decent work in and QOS has been his best so far.


I'm not up on most of Giacchino's work outside of Pixar, but I really liked his scores for Star Trek and Super 8.

 



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My theory:

 

 

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We are going to see the death of M at some point, and Fienes will be brought in as the new M.

 



A lot of us think that or...

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her being removed from office

...are extremely likely possibilities, whether Fiennes' character factors in or not.

post #57 of 506

For the theme I'd love to see them do an all instrumental job like OHMSS.

post #58 of 506

Movie Web claims to know what Ralph's role will be after receiving insider information from someone at EON Productions:

 

 

 

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http://www.movieweb.com/news/skyfall-story-details-reveal-ralph-fiennes-will-replace-an-iconic-character

 
Fiennes could not specifically say who he is playing because he technically has no name and the role is tied to a story development.  He is going to be a nameless agent who becomes the new M after the revelations of the current M's background force her to resign.  His role will just be set up in the film, with a sequel more firmly establishing his now-trained character.

 

 

post #59 of 506

So I got the part right at least. Good. Nice pick.

post #60 of 506
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SPOILERY OPINIONS:

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I think this is a good move, IMHO, should the information prove to be accurate. I'd also have been up for Fiennes portraying a field agent or fellow 00, but this is excellent casting at any rate. At last the age of the doddering, befuddled M is coming to an end

 

 

post #61 of 506

Maybe I'm being too much of a stickler, but the previous M's at least fit with the archetypes of their then real-world analogues. The secret service after the Second World War was primarily staffed by and eventually run by the Royal Navy, hence M's background in the books and earlier films. In late 20th century Britain, most of the public services were run by MBA trained civil servants, which ties in well with the change over to Judi Dench. I'm not sure we're yet living in an age where an ex-agent would get the top job. It would be someone senior from the Foreign Office or another number cruncher. Perhaps I'm reading too much into the description as an "agent".

 

Either way, so long as they don't have M globe trotting or turning up to personally oversee fairly nondescript operational activities, I'm pretty relaxed (I'm looking at you, The World is Not Enough  and Quantum of Solace).

 

Also, this rather puts paid to my hopes for an adaptation of the opening of The Man With the Golden Gun where a "turned" Bond attempts to kill M with a poison filled pipette. 
 

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Movie Web claims to know what Ralph's role will be after receiving insider information from someone at EON Productions:

 

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

http://www.movieweb.com/news/skyfall-story-details-reveal-ralph-fiennes-will-replace-an-iconic-character

 
Fiennes could not specifically say who he is playing because he technically has no name and the role is tied to a story development.  He is going to be a nameless agent who becomes the new M after the revelations of the current M's background force her to resign.  His role will just be set up in the film, with a sequel more firmly establishing his now-trained character.

 

 



 

post #62 of 506

Bernard Lee and Robert Brown did a bit of globe-trotting as well.  While it doesn't happen a lot, it IS something that has been going on for quite awhile in the franchise.

 

As for "agent", I suspect that is just Fiennes pointing people in the right direction (aka "Stop asking me if I'm Blofeld!!!") and still being vague.  Basically, whether the above rumor is true or not................he's a government man of some form.

post #63 of 506
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In government, sometimes the people who know where the bodies are buried are the ones who get to the top. See PUTIN with the KGB and later FSB. Or Patraeus at the CIA

 

Doesn't seem unreasonable to me that M would be someone who had first hand knowledge of some wetwork

post #64 of 506
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Bernard Lee and Robert Brown did a bit of globe-trotting as well.  While it doesn't happen a lot, it IS something that has been going on for quite awhile in the franchise.

 

As for "agent", I suspect that is just Fiennes pointing people in the right direction (aka "Stop asking me if I'm Blofeld!!!") and still being vague.  Basically, whether the above rumor is true or not................he's a government man of some form.

 

True - I'd forgotten the stuff with M in variously camouflaged bases. Still, there is something that has always grated with me and the places Bond has had his dialogues with M in the recent past. Maybe I'm just a Luddite when it comes to how Bond's relationship with what amounts to God in his world. I figure if you're going to see the headmaster, it ought to be in his study, even if it's hidden in a shipwreck or monastery.

 

On a more positive note, I hope this is the film where Bond gets to ally with a team of some sort. It's something I really enjoyed about a number of films in Moore's run - the various submarine crews in the tanker battle in TSWLM, the space marines in Moonraker and Colombo's crew in FYEO. Bond is a solitary man, but seeing him work with a bunch of allies complements the strong personal relationships he has with other male characters in the books and films. They've done the latter with Mathis and, to a lesser extent, Leiter in the first two Craig movies - bring on the cavalry in this one, I say.
 

 

 

post #65 of 506
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In government, sometimes the people who know where the bodies are buried are the ones who get to the top. See PUTIN with the KGB and later FSB. Or Patraeus at the CIA

 

Doesn't seem unreasonable to me that M would be someone who had first hand knowledge of some wetwork


Don't buy into the myth - Putin may have had operational experience but I very much doubt he's got his hands dirty. That's just for the proletariat.

 

People I was at university with are on track for promotion into the higher reaches of the security services, home and abroad. They're not action men nor "field agents". They're classily educated, business trained administrators and diplomats.

 

Still, this is fiction and I'm pummelling my own straw man.

 

post #66 of 506
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Don't buy into the myth - Putin may have had operational experience but I very much doubt he's got his hands dirty. That's just for the proletariat.

 

People I was at university with are on track for promotion into the higher reaches of the security services, home and abroad. They're not action men nor "field agents". They're classily educated, business trained administrators and diplomats.

 

Still, this is fiction and I'm pummelling my own straw man.

 



 

I was merely stating that Putin no doubt is able to blackmail every official in Russia with all the dirt he accrued

 

His constant need to appear macho for the press tells me he is anything but, and that Litvinenko was probably right about him

post #67 of 506
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True - I'd forgotten the stuff with M in variously camouflaged bases. Still, there is something that has always grated with me and the places Bond has had his dialogues with M in the recent past. Maybe I'm just a Luddite when it comes to how Bond's relationship with what amounts to God in his world. I figure if you're going to see the headmaster, it ought to be in his study, even if it's hidden in a shipwreck or monastery.

 

On a more positive note, I hope this is the film where Bond gets to ally with a team of some sort. It's something I really enjoyed about a number of films in Moore's run - the various submarine crews in the tanker battle in TSWLM, the space marines in Moonraker and Colombo's crew in FYEO. Bond is a solitary man, but seeing him work with a bunch of allies complements the strong personal relationships he has with other male characters in the books and films. They've done the latter with Mathis and, to a lesser extent, Leiter in the first two Craig movies - bring on the cavalry in this one, I say.
 

 

 



 

That had been my initial hope for Fiennes, that he and Bond would team up in the field

post #68 of 506

I less concerned with his "experience" background and more interested in what his relationship with Bond was like if they knew each other professionally BEFORE his promotion...........assuming the rumors are true.  Basically, do they get along?

 

Also, Fiennes hinted awhile back that it was someone the fans would recognize.  So is he Miles Messervy, Bernard Lee's character?

post #69 of 506
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I less concerned with his "experience" background and more interested in what his relationship with Bond was like if they knew each other professionally BEFORE his promotion...........assuming the rumors are true.  Basically, do they get along?

 

Also, Fiennes hinted awhile back that it was someone the fans would recognize.  So is he Miles Messervy, Bernard Lee's character?


 

As I stated a few months back in the BEST OF BOND thread, I'd like to see an M around Bond's age or a bit older, someone who might feel a degree of professional jealousy regarding Bond's spy prowess. If Fiennes is M, I don't think he and Bond should get along, and there should be a general mistrust/unease between them

post #70 of 506

Strap in, Kate!

 

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post #71 of 506

Still can't believe we're getting a Bond shot by Roger Deakins. So cool.

post #72 of 506

And it'll be the first Bond film shot digitally, right? 

 

Not that I think it'll make some profound difference in the end, but Bond not being shot on film SOUNDS wrong. 

 

But I have no doubt that Deakins will make it LOOK RIGHT.

post #73 of 506
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Just a few thoughts: I have now read one BOND novel (The classily titled CARTE BLANCHE) and am in the midst of reading another (MOONRAKER). Along the way, I have learned a great deal of  fascinating information about the private life of Ian Flemming's JAMES BOND 007. Having ascertained that portions of SKYFALL will apparently take place in London England, it is my great hope we get to spend some brief time with day to day Bond back at HQ, living his life away from the excitement of the field. Certain details would be interesting to include. Example? I think the fact that Bond is a civil servant with three separate hardline telephones on his desk is kinda neat, especially in this day and age, where an analog connection suggests the need for unassailable security. Furthermore, it has come to my attention that Bond initials various forms with the arabic numeral seven, which is too great not to include somewhere in this venerated film series

 

The film that first inspired in me a longing to see Mr Craig portray 007 was Matthew Vaughn's LAYER CAKE, which I saw for the first time in July 2004. In this movie, many of my favorite scenes involve Daniel Craig hanging out in his flat, drinking orange juice, ETC. The following is from Jeffery Deaver's official BOND NOVEL, CARTE BLANCHE. It chronicles the morning routine of Agent 007:

 

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If some of this were to end up in the film, I think it would be to the benefit of the series as a whole. We're allowed to see Indiana Jones in his downtime, and, IMHO, so it should be with Bond

 

Thank you for listening

post #74 of 506
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As I stated a few months back in the BEST OF BOND thread, I'd like to see an M around Bond's age or a bit older, someone who might feel a degree of professional jealousy regarding Bond's spy prowess. If Fiennes is M, I don't think he and Bond should get along, and there should be a general mistrust/unease between them

I hope not. We already got that in CR and QOS with Dench's M. I don't want to see the films fall into tired old "I must know I can trust you" stuff. Having reread the first four books, one bit I liked was how Fleming noted that Bond had great admiration and obedience for M. I'd like to see that return, see a more professional relationship. It was a fun experiment in GoldenEye to have a new M that Bond had no confidence in, no need to overdo it.
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post #76 of 506

Oh man... I'm not sure how I feel about Newman scoring a Bond film.  He's definitely not the first guy you'd think of for the job.  But it's actually kind of exciting!

post #77 of 506
It'll be interesting how this will work out. Will Newman also collaborate with a singer? This will be a new change of pace for him.
post #78 of 506

read this in tarantino's voice

 

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Edited by Joseph P. Brenner - 1/4/12 at 11:38am
post #79 of 506

Well, didn't Connery shoot that bizarre Die Another Day cameo? Everyone reported this, but it sounds so unbelievable, and there's no proof anywhere, right?

post #80 of 506
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Connery shot a DAD cameo? I'd never heard of this!

 

And I am sad to see David Arnold retired against his will. RIP, you will be missed, Mr Arnold

 

 

EDIT: apparently it was due to the Olympics that he was removed from BOND, rather than a forced retirement. Still though, it's sad


Edited by Princess Kate - 1/4/12 at 1:42pm
post #81 of 506
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Btw just read that image of another post, and just wanted to say its not true. Connery has Alzheimer's, and is retired. His last on tape interview was in 2008,  and he is very out of it, it's kind of tragic. I mean, he's still Sean Connery, but he is talking through a fog it seems. Poor man could never make this movie 

 

post #82 of 506

So interesting to have a new composer on board. Not who I wanted, but interested to see a new take on Bond music.

post #83 of 506
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Re: people involved with the PTS

 

Now that Newman has taken over scoring duties, the question remains as to whether or not he'll have the same active hand in crafting the BOND SONG that Arnold did during his tenure

 

However, an equally important question is who will be given the PTS design duties for BOND 23? To be perfectly honest, I don't really care for MK12's work thus far. QOS's PTS was kind of goofy and unremarkable, and their BLOODSTONE work was as bland and by the numbers as can be imagined

 

Though I'm no fan of his CR work (as stated in the BEST OF BOND thread), I still feel that Daniel Kleinman should be brought back and reinstalled as EON's guru of PTS design

 

His work in GOLDENEYE, TWINE and DAD stands out as some of the best PTS design in BOND HISTORY, and so it would be a shame to think we'd seen the last of his work on the series

post #84 of 506
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Connery has Alzheimer's, and is retired. His last on tape interview was in 2008,  and he is very out of it, it's kind of tragic. I mean, he's still Sean Connery, but he is talking through a fog it seems. Poor man could never make this movie



Got any proof of that (Since there's zero reports of that and all) or are you just talking outta your ass?

post #85 of 506
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Got any proof of that (Since there's zero reports of that and all) or are you just talking outta your ass?



That is what I've heard from several people. He's retired from film, and was unable to appear in INDY 4 despite Spielberg wanting him and Connery's previously stated desire to show up in that film. In April his spokesman issued a press release stating he would no longer be making public appearances. He's looked visibly confused on camera the few times we've seen him since LXG, and I recall statements from him that he felt confused and unsure of himself on the LXG set

 

Watch the video I posted

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That is what I've heard from several people. He's retired from film, and was unable to appear in INDY 4 despite Spielberg wanting him and Connery's previously stated desire to show up in that film. In April his spokesman issued a press release stating he would no longer be making public appearances. He's looked visibly confused on camera the few times we've seen him since LXG, and I recall statements from him that he felt confused and unsure of himself on the LXG set

 

Watch the video I posted


I've seen that clip before and the whole interview from said show. Yeah, he's clearly older and there have been those reports of him being in poor health for years. But saying he outright has something as terrible as Alzheimer's with nothing to back that up? Maybe you should stop talking for awhile.

post #87 of 506
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I've seen that clip before and the whole interview from said show. Yeah, he's clearly older and there have been those reports of him being in poor health for years. But saying he outright has something as terrible as Alzheimer's with nothing to back that up? Maybe you should stop talking for awhile.



I don't care to argue with you about it, we can take bets on him showing up in BOND 23 and see who is right though

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I don't care to argue with you about it, we can take bets on him showing up in BOND 23 and see who is right though



You do realize the "Connery will show up" rumor has popped up for years now? I hate thinking too.

 

How the fuck you got unbanned is a mystery to me.

post #89 of 506

Anyway................

 

I love the credits design for CR and hope for something more along those lines.  Also, considering he's already on board now, I'd say that Thomas Newman will definitely be involved in crafting the song for Skyfall.  I don't view him as an odd choice for the simple fact that he is Mendes' go-to composer.  With Arnold temporarily out of the picture, it makes sense that they would allow Sam to use his usual collaborator.  Arnold will likely return for Bond 24, so it's not like he is gone for good.

post #90 of 506
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Anyway................

 

I love the credits design for CR and hope for something more along those lines.  Also, considering he's already on board now, I'd say that Thomas Newman will definitely be involved in crafting the song for Skyfall.  I don't view him as an odd choice for the simple fact that he is Mendes' go-to composer.  With Arnold temporarily out of the picture, it makes sense that they would allow Sam to use his usual collaborator.  Arnold will likely return for Bond 24, so it's not like he is gone for good.



Agreed.  I loved the CR credits.  Weren't a lot of people down on them for looking like flash animation?  I thought the card suit motif tied in with the story nicely without being too on the nose.  Although I do miss the days of credits projected onto disembodied T&A.

post #91 of 506
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Agreed.  I loved the CR credits.  Weren't a lot of people down on them for looking like flash animation?  I thought the card suit motif tied in with the story nicely without being too on the nose.  Although I do miss the days of credits projected onto disembodied T&A.



I thought they didn't really sync well with the music, and some of the "Bond fights guys who dissolve into card shapes" stuff was a bit goofy. Some moments were cool, but others were just odd. Like when the three cards slice Bond, his body reforms, and then he does a karate pose?

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I thought they didn't really sync well with the music, and some of the "Bond fights guys who dissolve into card shapes" stuff was a bit goofy. Some moments were cool, but others were just odd. Like when the three cards slice Bond, his body reforms, and then he does a karate pose?



It was campy.  There's a certain element of camp that I hope James Bond never loses.  I mean, didn't they project the 007 logo on a pair of tits in more than one movie?

post #93 of 506

With Mendes bringing his usual guy onboard, this merits the question: how much of a Sam Mendes film is this going to be? Alternately phrased: is this movie going to be fucking boring?

post #94 of 506
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With Mendes bringing his usual guy onboard, this merits the question: how much of a Sam Mendes film is this going to be? Alternately phrased: is this movie going to be fucking boring?



 

I think it won't be. In the past, Mendes has attached himself to slower paced, more meditative projects that lend themselves to the risk of being found boring. Here, the script will force his hand and the pace will be lively, I have no doubt. What he should bring to the table will be an able command of drama, the small moments between the actors, a good sense of how to craft a story, and, I believe, a hunger to knock it out of the park - meeting both the expectations of fans, casual movie goers and critics alike

 

Why? He has not had a hit in a while, or at least a runaway success of any kind, and I would reckon he took this job to show people he is a jack of all trades, Nolan style, capable of the big and the small

 

At the very least I have no reason to suspect he'd be any less able than the director of FINDING NEVERLAND, and as far as BOND films go, I actually consider QOS to be right at the top of my list already

 

I bet that by the end of the year, many here in this thread today will be hailing BOND 23 as the first or second best Bond film of all time

post #95 of 506

Arnold was really pushing for Shirley Bassey to drop a tune for the last Bond flick; that was one thing I was mucho looking forward to with this one. With all the talk of returning Bond to the classic roots, I was really hoping they were gonna crack and let her have another go at the Bond theme. With Arnold out and Newman in, I hope that doesn't toss away her chances.

post #96 of 506
It's likely Sony will only allow EON to go with an artist under their label. Shirley Bassey's "No Good About Goodbye" got rejected because she wasn't under their label and wasn't mainstream. Given the poor reception of "Another Way to Die", hopefully Sony learned to not interfere again and just let the filmmakers do their thing. "No Good About Goodbye" wasn't great I admit, but it beats the last couple of song titles save "You Know My Name".
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Re: people involved with the PTS

 

Now that Newman has taken over scoring duties, the question remains as to whether or not he'll have the same active hand in crafting the BOND SONG that Arnold did during his tenure

 

However, an equally important question is who will be given the PTS design duties for BOND 23? To be perfectly honest, I don't really care for MK12's work thus far. QOS's PTS was kind of goofy and unremarkable, and their BLOODSTONE work was as bland and by the numbers as can be imagined

 

Though I'm no fan of his CR work (as stated in the BEST OF BOND thread), I still feel that Daniel Kleinman should be brought back and reinstalled as EON's guru of PTS design

 

His work in GOLDENEYE, TWINE and DAD stands out as some of the best PTS design in BOND HISTORY, and so it would be a shame to think we'd seen the last of his work on the series

I hope he comes back, as I really thought GE and CR were brilliant title sequences. Didn't like TND, TWINE, and DAD at all. What made them horribly cheesy were having the title girls looking into the camera while "seductively" dancing. Not sexy. Have them do something more visually intriguing. The hammering the Soviet era statues was a brilliant way to transition the series into the post-Cold War era.
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It's likely Sony will only allow EON to go with an artist under their label.

Exactly this.  Arnold himself said that during production on Casino Royale, he was handed as list of artists on Sony's label and given the pick of the litter.  He chose Cornell.  I suspect a similar scenario is already in play with Newman.

post #98 of 506

Does Nordling still post here? He dropped this morsel into a "looking forward to 2012" article and I am curious about his source:

 

 

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The story - about a downed intel satellite and the scrambling of various government agencies to retrieve it - seems genuinely different than the plots we're used to.

 

post #99 of 506

Color me intrigued.  I hope he responds.

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I think Rob Dougan should get a crack at a BOND SONG some day. He is very talented, has a unique style and has shown a versatility with his music that suggests he could easily do a great Bond track 

 

 

PS He is signed with SONY BMG UK

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