Doctor Who: Series Seven

Well, colour me impressed with that Christmas Special. I'm normally fairly ambivalent about them, but it was a pretty straightforward, overly sentimental christmas tale.

Was surprised Bailey and Armstrong were not in it as much as their billing indicated, but Skinner and the kids were ace. Very cool.

Though that Sherlock trailer at the end was just weirdly short. :)

I've read that this will be Amy and Rory's last season.

Murray Gold's usual ineptitude aside, that was rather nicely done, and impressively non-formula - Moffat's really going out of his way to find inventive takes on the Christmas format.

Not as good as A Christmas Carol, which is in a class of its own, but still a very strong episode. I never thought that the guy who did Coupling would be making me tear up at Christmas specials, but here we are. I guess that it sort of helps that Christmas, in its broadest cultural sense, is a kind of celebration of what The Doctor is all about. Although, he does take it a bit farther than brotherhood between men all the way to brotherhood between consciousnesses.

That final scene would have been a nice wrap-up to the series as a whole.

Agreed.

And it was that scene more than anything else in the eppisode that almost made me tear up.

The last scene got to me too. My favorite part was who was going to break down and hug who first. The squirt gun was cute too.

Didn't hurt that Amy looked absolutely adorable there too.

Agreed, it was the cheeky look she gave The Doctor as she squirted him that did it.

Just finally watched this. I got problems.

--The story was pretty thin. I believe budget has become a real issue, but still, it was too straightforward a story for a full-length Christmas special. It was really just a padded regular episode.

--I'm not sure what the point of linking it to The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe was--A Christmas Carol was an actual reinvention of the Dickens story, using the themes and ideas in clever ways, whereas this just borrowed some of the imagery from C. S. Lewis to no real purpose--but if they were going to do it, surely the TARDIS should have played the role of the wardrobe? I mean, he even said it was the wardrobe, but then it was the Christmas present that became the portal to the other world. That seemed like it was going to be the whole point of doing a TLTWATW pastiche.

--Why the hell was the Doctor doing all this anyway? I mean, I know it would be nice to believe he travels the universe, randomly sending kids on delightful adventures, but there's too many kids out there for even a Time Lord to personally play Santa to all of them, so presumably there was some other order of business and treating the kids was just a nice afterthought. So...what the hell was it? If it was just a "thank you" to the mom for helping them, he went about it in a pretty bizarre way, especially considering that he never actually met the kids.

--The biggest problem: if you're going to spend an hour trying to squeeze pathos from the story of a widow not being able to tell her kids their father died, don't have the father turn up alive and well at the end. That honestly makes me a little angry. Yes, it was framed in a rather clever way, but emotionally it was an enormous copout. It smacks of the often nonsensical "and then everything magically worked out for the best" endings of the Russell T. Davies era.

I agree that the story was thin. And overall this wasn't one of my favorite specials despite, the nod to Warhammer 40K.

But the last few scenes really, really got me. I'm going to be really sad when the time comes for Amy and Rory to go for good. 

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Originally Posted by Xagarath Ankor 

Murray Gold's usual ineptitude aside.

Unless you are prepared to back up this vile calumny with a composer's knowledge, I am afraid I shall have to demand satisfaction, suh!

Daleks at 15 paces!

In all seriousness, what is it you don't like about his work?  I've listened to all the music for series 1 through 5 and the specials and I've loved almost everything he's done. The shows tend to re-and over- use his themes, but I'm not certain that's his fault.

I completely forgot to watch the Xmas Special until I was going through my DVRed stuff tonight and saw it in the queue. 

Aside from the ending, it fucking SUCKED.

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Originally Posted by ohferfuxsake 

In all seriousness, what is it you don't like about his work?  I've listened to all the music for series 1 through 5 and the specials and I've loved almost everything he's done. The shows tend to re-and over- use his themes, but I'm not certain that's his fault.

I've never really understood the Murray Gold criticisms myself. The worst I can say about him is that his scores are a bit on the nose and 'big,' like he's trying desperately to be John Williams, but that never really struck me as 'inept.'  Maybe it's because I came into Doctor Who with Ecclestone.

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Originally Posted by Fafhrd 

The worst I can say about him is that his scores are a bit on the nose and 'big,'

That's a bit like saying "the worst you can say about the Pacific ocean is that it's a bit moist."

He's a screamingly unsubtle composer who's devoid of any kind of melodic invention; he just swipes from John Williams, as mentioned, and cranks the volume up to eleven. And I'm usually the last guy to complain about the score in movies and TV, but Gold makes it impossible not to be annoyed, especially on this, a show that frequently fails to earn its emotional beats, and relies on the score to tell you how you're supposed to be feeling. Or to scream it in your ear every moment something happens. To be fair, this was worse during the Davies years, when there was often NOTHING to the stories being told except a hamfisted attempt at cheap sentiment; Davies needed Gold to make his halfassed scripts work at all, so I guess he got used to bearing the load. He hasn't been as bad lately, since Moffat and co. are writing scripts with actual substance and the music tends to feel more earned, but this script started falling into a lot of the bad habits of NuWho, and Gold's flop-sweat started to come out again.

I would love to see Kim Newman write an episode of Doctor Who. His Anno Dracula novels are great at mixing historical characters into fiction stories.

Not TV news, but IDW is publishing a Doctor Who / Star Trek TNG crossover comic in May.

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-doctor-who-comic-assimilation2-aco-155089/

I haven't thought about TNG since First Contact, but man I used to be a huge trek nerd. This sounds like it could be bad fan-fic, but count me in just to see The Doctor drive Picard up the wall.

I expect the BBC will release an official version on Monday but, for those who can't wait that long, Bleeding Cool have a pirate copy of the season seven trailer of DW (as shown at this weekend's official convention).

Super excited.  I'm very very lucky that even episodes most people consider mediocre really get me excited.  There's always a concept or a system in place that's neat enough or imaginative enough that I don't really have "bad" episodes.

So you were the one who loved the pirate episode from last series, huh?

I did like that the Pirate Captain easily figured out how the fly the TARDIS.

I actually didn't mind the pirates episode and have revisited it since original broadcast. The only episode from season six that I've not been able to watch again is "Night Terrors". I know that it was the necessary "Let's save the budget here so we can use it later" episode but, with the vile "Victory Of The Daleks" episode already under his belt from the previous season (I loathe that episode), I'm starting to believe that myself and Mark Gatiss would have a fist fight if left in the same room together.

It kind of amuses me, seeing your avatar and mine next to one another in a thread.

Yeah, even the weakest Moffat-era episodes are a huge improvement on the worst of the Davies era. And many of the best.

The pirate episode, as lame as it was, at least ended by introducing a team of space pirates. SPACE PIRATES!!! And their return later on during the Battle of Demon's Run was pretty kickass. In a way, they were just getting interesting when Curse of the Black Spot ended.

I think the excited whimsical attitude of the Doctor and the Companions, and the CONSTANT switching up of story elements and endless driving forward momentum of the plot masks what would otherwise be a bad episode.  The pirate ship episode never came off as specifically cheap, it always LOOKS nice, and the monster of the week is always presenting something new and interesting about itself so I was never bored and thinking to myself "this is boring and lame".  The Doctor is always saying or doing something interesting, and Amy and Rory and The Doctor are always SUPER STOKED to be living a pirate adventure.

That's what I love so much about Doctor Who, they take the time to appreciate how absurdly cool and awesome what they're doing is.  In fact, it's the point of their adventures.  The monsters so often have this wonderful childlike reality to them, for example the Angels or The Silence remind of the "don't step on a crack on the sidewalk", or "don't touch the lava floor!" games we all played as children.  There's a whimsy and achild like sense of fun to everything.  Doctor Who captures that feeling of being a kid on an adventure better than Super 8 does.