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post #1 of 63
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Because a few sneak through, like How I Met Your Mother.

 

The New Adventures of Old Christine

 

If tweaked a little, Julia Louis Dreyfus' could totally be continuing the role of Elaine Benes. Christine is vain, greedy, petty, and likes wine just a little too much. Never as daring as Seinfeld, it can be a dark little gem that often ends on a hilarious joke that leaves Christine in a worse place than she started. Great supporting cast that includes Clark Gregg as her ex husband who she is still close with. Hamlish Linklater as her brother and Wanda Sykes as her best friend and later, her wife. Oh, and the title? Her ex is dating a slightly younger woman that's named Christine and everyone calls her New Christine.

 

Dreyfus deservedly won an Emmy for her work here. Give it a chance.

post #2 of 63

I've actually been plowing through How I Met Your Mother because it became available on Netflix Instant.

 

I HATE the traditional multi-camera laugh-track sitcom format.  I hate it with every fiber of my being.  And yet, HIMYM takes me back to the time when I used to watch Friends reruns in high school.  I never really laugh all that much (though a lot of that is due to stupid mule-headedness), but it's quite a pleasant show to have on.  The recurring jokes/references are fun and I can kinda get into the ongoing continuity.  I am sick of hearing the opening theme song and Bob Saget's narration though.  But similar to the way I hated Michael Scott in The Office, I do realize that the narration is a crucial part of the show.  So I'll deal.

 

I'm on Season 4 now.

post #3 of 63

I agree. I never watched it with regularity but whenever I caught it I watched it. Plus I've always had some kind of crush on Julia Louis Dreyfus.
 

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If tweaked a little, Julia Louis Dreyfus' could totally be continuing the role of Elaine Benes. Christine is vain, greedy, petty, and likes wine just a little too much. Never as daring as Seinfeld, it can be a dark little gem that often ends on a hilarious joke that leaves Christine in a worse place than she started. Great supporting cast that includes Clark Gregg as her ex husband who she is still close with. Hamlish Linklater as her brother and Wanda Sykes as her best friend and later, her wife. Oh, and the title? Her ex is dating a slightly younger woman that's named Christine and everyone calls her New Christine.

 

Dreyfus deservedly won an Emmy for her work here. Give it a chance.



 

post #4 of 63

This may be the biggest bullet I've ever choked down, but I have to say it: The Big Bang Theory is actually entertaining.

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This may be the biggest bullet I've ever choked down, but I have to say it: The Big Bang Theory is actually entertaining.



The trio of woman on the show has long since surpassed the quarter of men as far as entertainment value goes, and Sheldon has veered dangerously into "Why would anyone put up with him?" territory, but I have to agree.  If you stop looking at it as some kind of authoritative statement on geek culture, it's just a goofy, funny sitcom.

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... it's just a goofy, funny sitcom.



Right? It's hardly the mind-rape it's made to be.

 

post #7 of 63

Too many people use it as a way to validate their own geek-ness by looking down their noses at it and saying, "I'M not like that, it's an affront to true geek culture!"  As if it's intended to be some kind of anthropological study.  News flash:  sitcoms deal in exaggeration for comedic effect.  You think historians got all bent out of shape about Happy Days?

post #8 of 63

That 70s Show lasted about two seasons past its expiration date, but its still the last truly funny sitcom involving teenagers.

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That 70s Show lasted about two seasons past its expiration date, but its still the last truly funny sitcom involving teenagers.



Man, if you'd told me when this was on that Mila Kunis would be the one with the film career and Laura Prepon would end up playing Chelsea Lately on some godawful sitcom, I would have thought you were out of your mind.

post #10 of 63

Nice call by Cameron on The New Adventures Of Old Christine. More people here should give it a try.

post #11 of 63

Definitely wish to echo the HIMYM sentiments. I want to brag/show how sad I am by saying I started the show at the beginning of this month and already finished the show up to the last episode. For absolutely hating laugh tracks, this show is really fantastic. Enough love as been espoused to NPH, but you will find very few ensembles on T.V. as HIMYM. Many props to Josh Radnor, who gets far better playing funny as the show goes on, which just makes sense.

 

My absolute favorite part of the show is the mention of the group's co-dependence on each other and the reveal that it is actually an incredibly bad element to each of their lives from Future Ted. The world around them acknowledges just how ludicrous their attachment to each other is, challenging the very nature of not just this sitcom, but sitcoms in general. If you saw a group of people as mired in each others lives as the people you see in sitcoms, you would have the exact same reaction the HIMYM'ers are facing from their world. It's really, really smart and the kind of deconstruction that you would expect on a single cam.

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Man, if you'd told me when this was on that Mila Kunis would be the one with the film career and Laura Prepon would end up playing Chelsea Lately on some godawful sitcom, I would have thought you were out of your mind.



I still feel like if she ever gets depressed, and decides to violently fixate on someone to blame for her career's path, Sam Raimi would be a prime place to start.

 

But, yeah. Never saw that coming.

post #13 of 63

I assume you mean by not casting her as Mary Jane?

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I still feel like if she ever gets depressed, and decides to violently fixate on someone to blame for her career's path, Sam Raimi would be a prime place to start.

 


I missed something here — what did Raimi do to Prepon? Was she up for MJ or something before he went with Dunst? I forget.

 

post #15 of 63

Yes, and yes. She was on Raimi's (and at the time, well, everybody's) shortlist for MJ for the longest. They went with the bigger name. I feel like her career, and those movies would've been very, very different had she been cast.

post #16 of 63

That 70's Show was fun, although I never watched it consistently.  Newsradio may be a bit older than you're looking for, but it's the bestest, so there.

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Like Nooj, I absolutely loathe the three-camera, laugh-tracked sitcom format, and unlike him, I haven't found enough in shows like HIMYM or Big Bang Theory to get past it and enjoy. I used to be able to choke down the format because that was just how TV comedy was done, but now that we've moved past it it seems like a pandering anachronism that shows just how condescending TV producers can be. I can't even really watch old sitcoms anymore either, with the one exception of Seinfeld--and to me that one demonstrates exactly how laugh tracks get it wrong. (I'm using "laugh tracks" here to include live studio audience laughter as well.) Because Seinfeld is the only modern sitcom I can think of that doesn't pander to the laugh track, and is willing to do the occasional throwaway joke or subtle bit of business, yet the laughs always feel earned (which is otherwise a huge problem with laugh tracks). With every other laugh-tracked show, there's only one type of joke you can do, which is the big, broad one-liner (and occasionally the slapstick visual gag). Because if it's not a "setup-punchline-drumbeat-LAUGHTER" kind of joke, it feels like a mistake amidst all the uproar. Which means that, for instance, half the jokes on Arrested Development and Community would never have happened if they were laugh-tracked. It's a supremely limiting form of comedy, and the main reason it's still around is because it's clear audiences subconsciously think of shows as funnier if there's a laugh track.

 

Ask yourself if one of the laugh-tracked sitcoms you enjoy would be hurt by being a cinematic one-camera show with no laugh track. Because I'm finding it hard to see how that could be.

 

As for big Bang Theory, I'm willing to have my opinion changed because I've only seen one or two episodes, but my problem with that show isn't "they portrayed geek culture badly!" it's that they seem to drop in geek culture as a punchline in and of itself, seemingly attempting to use it as a punchline for the 50-year-old watchers simply by existing, and a "hey, I get that reference!" moment a la Family Guy for the geeks. Yet there never seems to be any actual insight into what makes people's obsession with these nerdy things funny. It's just a string of pointless, superficial references. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that a show that attempts to portray a subculture provide some insight into that subculture.

post #18 of 63
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This may be the biggest bullet I've ever choked down, but I have to say it: The Big Bang Theory is actually entertaining.



Last time I said I liked The Big Bang Theory, I got piled on and practically accused of killing Community, even though I watched Community first and DVRed BBT. I still think Jim Parsons is a genius, but the edition of the girls really put new life into it.

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That 70's Show was fun, although I never watched it consistently.  Newsradio may be a bit older than you're looking for, but it's the bestest, so there.



I don't know if NewsRadio really fits with this thread Schwartz but man oh man are you right that it's the bestest, so there.

 

 

post #20 of 63

I've watched quite a few That 70's Show reruns recently because I clearly remember enjoying it when it first aired, but I must have been high or something because it is BEYOND bad. Like gratingly unfunny.

post #21 of 63

King of Queens was funny.

post #22 of 63

If you want traditional sitcoms, hit up the Disney Channel.  "Good Luck Charlie" is probably the best early 90's ABC era sitcom currently on TV.

 

Leigh-Allyn Baker is extremely hilarious as the Mother and should be on primetime TV. The whole cast has charm as well and the baby "Charlie" is growing up in the same vein as the Olsen-twins.

 

 

post #23 of 63

Newsradio

 

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It was a perfectly adequate show.

post #24 of 63

I saw my first episodes of BBT the other day, and while the superficial nerdity was nothing unexpected, it wasn't what aroused my hatred.  That came from everyone deciding that the way to play a nerd is to do an obnoxious, affected nasal tone with their voice.  I've heard good things about Parsons for a long time, but he was as awful as anyone.  The accolades baffle me.

post #25 of 63

Check out Better Off Ted, which I think is available on Netflix. Only lasted one season, but had some really funny moments.

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That came from everyone deciding that the way to play a nerd is to do an obnoxious, affected nasal tone with their voice.  I've heard good things about Parsons for a long time, but he was as awful as anyone. 


Dunno if it helps, but that's pretty much how Parsons actually talks, allowing for some slight exaggeration as Sheldon (if anything he sounds more uptight in character, not more nasal). As for the others, Helberg on the show usually goes with more of a failed "heyyy, how you doin'" sexxay basso (I actually remember him sounding nerdier as Moist), Nayyar speaks more or less like the New Delhi-raised guy he is, and Galecki has never had what you'd call a booming voice but admittedly tweaks it a little. Bawwy Kwipke, on the other hand...

 

post #27 of 63

Better Off Ted was everything bright and wonderful (and died far too soon), but it wasn't what I'd call a traditional sitcom in the sense that others are talking about (single camera, no laugh track/audience). Still, I nod in happy assent to anybody attempting in any context to get that show more love.

post #28 of 63

10 Items or Less. A sitcom set in a grocery store, it only lasted a few seasons and maybe 3 people watched it. Not exactly an unmissable classic or anything, but it had a real "take nothing seriously" charm about it, and before Conan came along it was pretty much the only show that actually delivered on that TBS: Very Funny slogan. Mostly thanks to star John Lehr, a really gifted comic performer who will probably always be best known as one of the Geico cavemen but deserves much better.

 

also, this guy:

 

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post #29 of 63

Fox's 2006/2007 sitcom The Loop was far better & smarter than one might expect. Philip Baker Hall absolutely kills it as an eccentric, no BS exec. It's quite a bit like Better Off Ted but it's far more successful in it's concept & execution.

 

I'm pretty sure the entire series is up on Hulu.

post #30 of 63

The IT Crowd. It's like Big Bang Theory and The Office got drunk and had a pimply, awkward, but self-deprecating lovechild.

 

It's also on Instant.

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The IT Crowd. It's like Big Bang Theory and The Office got drunk and had a pimply, awkward, but self-deprecating lovechild.

 

It's also on Instant.



Big Bang Theory and the American Office have never had anything as gloriously funny as Matt Berry on The IT Crowd.

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Big Bang Theory and the American Office have never had anything as gloriously funny as Matt Berry on The IT Crowd.

 

So true it hurts.

 

The IT Crowd is essential viewing. It is genius.

post #33 of 63

See, I'm not even watching that clip, I'm cracking up just from that image.

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Big Bang Theory and the American Office have never had anything as gloriously funny as Matt Berry on The IT Crowd.



Or Richard Ayoade.

post #35 of 63

Hell, everyone on the show is aces.  And I have a somewhat unhealthy crush on Katherine Parkinson.

post #36 of 63

Sweet Lord, YES. She's like Christina Hendricks' attainable sister.

post #37 of 63

I'd probably even rank IT Crowd next to Arrested Development. It's that good.

 

We've also gotta give some love to Richmond, the office's perpetual downer.

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post #38 of 63

I've been a big fan of The Big Bang Theory since last year. I have to agree though, the addition of 2 other girls to give Kaley Cuoco her own "clique" was a smart move. Sometimes they are much funnier than the guys.

 

I was with That 70's Show all the way to it's end, and there are a few bright spots in the last season. I was going to  pick up the complete series box set some time ago, but now I've read that it's going to be put out on Blu-ray, so I'll just wait for that.

 

Newsradio was pretty hilarious back in the day as well. That one episode where Bill is addicted to those old sandwiches from the vending machine was probably my favorite episode.

 

 

The first season of 8 Simple Rules For Dating My Teenage Daughter was brilliant, but mostly just because of John Ritter. Pretty sure if he wouldn't have died, the series would have been much better. It was admirable of them to try to continue it without him, but of course it was missing that charm that only he brought.

post #39 of 63

It's the accent that really does it.  That slight lisp.  Yeah.

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I was with That 70's Show all the way to it's end, and there are a few bright spots in the last season. I was going to  pick up the complete series box set some time ago, but now I've read that it's going to be put out on Blu-ray, so I'll just wait for that.



I pretty much just ducked in and out of the last season, but I watched the last 3 episodes to the end. It may have been the very last one, I'm not sure, but the scene near the end of Kitty showing off the house and slowly, unhumorously breaking down was almost worth the 20-something episodes of asinine that preceded.

post #41 of 63

Since the qualifier for this thread is "don't suck" there's also the show which introduced all you David Spade fans to the majesty of Patrick Warburton.

 

post #42 of 63

Better Off Ted is fantastic.  Not traditional, but who cares?  It's funny as hell.

post #43 of 63

Since we're going off the thread's original direction, may I suggest you gentlemen give MTV's Awkward a chance? You'd seriously think it was a British show about teens and not a US one. Which if you know me is very high praise.

 

Caution, Diablo Cody haters need not apply.

post #44 of 63

I have all the doubts in the world as to whether it actually holds up (probably not), but I remember Grounded For Life having its weird, dysfunctional charms. And kevin Corrigan's genetic Christopher Walken impression writ large.

post #45 of 63
Thread Starter 

I guess I'd define modern as anything since Friends was airing, since I consider that show a bridge between the old sitcoms and the modern kind.

 

Spin City by Bill Lawrence starrring Michael J. Fox as deputy mayor of New York was great. A stellar cast including Richard Kind, Alan Ruck, and a young and foxy Connie Britton. Barry Bostwick was The Mayor. Don't watch the Sheen years, Fox's last episode (A season finale) is a great way to end it.

 

 

 

post #46 of 63

Another nominee: Titus. I don't really care for Christopher Titus' standup, but  this was a damn fine show. Stacy Keach was fantastic as Titus' dad. 

post #47 of 63

Titus was kind of fucking brilliant. Surprised that was allowed on the air - Stacy Keach was all sorts of gnarled nastiness. Also, that one episode where the mother was welcomed back home from the institution for Thanksgiving, proceeding to drug the turkey, knock everyone out and rob them. Somewhere along the line, Fox went from most to least likely network to feature such a storyline.

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I'd probably even rank IT Crowd next to Arrested Development. It's that good.

 

We've also gotta give some love to Richmond, the office's perpetual downer.

Richmond_acrobat.jpg

 

 

 

off tangent segue to give props to "The Mighty Boosh"......
 

 

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Better Off Ted is fantastic.  Not traditional, but who cares?  It's funny as hell.



BoT was freakin' great.

this just reminded me that I have to pick it up on DVD

 

case in point (OK, so what if this is an outtake, they must have had a blast filming this episode.)

 

very NSFW dialog

 

 

post #50 of 63

What shits me about Ted is not that it was cancelled (we've learned to expect sitcoms of a certain intelligence to get cancelled quickly as often as not), but that I haven't seen anyone in it pop up in anything since.  Okay, De Rossi is going back to Arrested Development, and there's certainly no shame in that. But Jay Harrington's agent should at least be signing him to every project Jon Hamm drops out of.  Andrea Anders is terrifically game, and while she does seem to be becoming the female Ted McGinley, being Ted McGinley hasn't stopped Ted McGinley from getting work.  And Lem and Phil played so well together that they could just drop the same characters into any other workplace sitcom that needs a boost.

 

I understand it not being a runaway success, but I can't understand how it could have been anything but a boost for all the performers.

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