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The Keltner List is a popular sports survey that allows the classifications of certain players as being Hall of Fame-worthy. You can find the original list of questions here. It was created for baseball, but it was imperfectly adapted to basketball, and later for rock musicians for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

 

Given the recent announcements for the National Board Of Registry, I figured it would be interesting to apply it to films. Specifically "Forrest Gump." Naturally, I had to alter the questions. If you think they can be altered a bit more appropriately, try it out. Again, it's a very imperfect system.

 

The Keltner List: FORREST GUMP

Was the film regarded as the best movie of the year? Did anyone, while the film was released, suggest it was the best film of the year?
“Forrest Gump” famously won the Academy Award for Best Picture in 1995. It also won the BAFTA for Best Film, the Golden Globe for Best Motion Picture - Drama, the MTV Award for Best Movie (this kinda-sorta meant something back then), the National Board of Review award for Best Picture and the People’s Choice Award for Favorite Motion Picture. So, yes.
 

Were there any significant detractors at the time?
Not many, though the number has grown in recent years. However, the late Pauline Kael famously declared, “I hated it thoroughly.”
 

Was it the best film ever made by its director?
Robert Zemeckis had previously made such films as “Back To The Future,” “Used Cars” and “Who Framed Roger Rabbit?” It is debatable by some, but I would say no.
 

Was it the truly the best film in its year of release?
1994 was a loaded year, and amongst the Oscar contenders, there was a funnier film in “Pulp Fiction,” a more dramatically appealing one in “The Shawshank Redemption” and a more biting American expose in “Quiz Show.” 1994 also sported one of Disney’s finer films with “The Lion King,” Tim Burton’s “Ed Wood,” groundbreaking documentary “Hoop Dreams,” Oliver Stone’s incendiary “Natural Born Killers,” Luc Besson’s “Leon” and “Red” and “White” from Krysztof Kieslowski’s “Three Colors Trilogy.” 
 

Did the film feature great performances?
Yes. As much as can be said against the character of Gump, Tom Hanks created an indelible characterization. Fellow Oscar nominee Gary Sinese was also quite good, as was Robin Wright as the doomed Jenny. Points should be docked, however, for the hammy characterization provided by Sally Field.
 

Did the film have a shelf life?
It’s still a regular television fixture, particularly for some broadcast networks in the occasional prime-time slot. It’s got a stronger shelf-life than most films of the era.
 

Did the participants ever match the standard of this film ever again?
Zemeckis followed “Gump” with a series of box office hits, and while “Contact” and “Cast Away” have their fans, few would agree they equal “Gump,” and his shift into the world of motion capture led his fans to sour on him.
Hanks followed “Gump” with a very strong decade-long run, including “Apollo 13,” “Saving Private Ryan,” “The Green Mile,” “Cast Away,” “Road To Perdition,” “Catch Me If You Can” and “The Ladykillers.” One could argue his work in “Cast Away” is superior to his turn in “Gump,” though that is heavily debatable.
Screenwriter Eric Roth was highly in-demand after “Gump,” and later penned scripts for “The Insider,” “Ali,” “Munich,” “The Good Shepherd” and “The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button.” Out of those, his work adapting the true life story of “The Insider” comes across as being far superior.

 

Was the film a box office hit?
$677 million worldwide says yes. At the time, it was one of the all-time highest grossing films.

 

Is there any evidence to suggest the film’s success was a fluke?
Certainly. In addition to beating a few zeitgeist-y hits for the Oscar, “Gump” was a gamble coming out during a busy summer season. “Gump” had to score in a marketplace that included “The Lion King,” “True Lies,” “The Mask,” “Speed,” “Dumb And Dumber” and others. With the exception of “The Lion King,” “Gump” out grossed them all.

 

Did the film win Academy Awards?
Six, including Best Picture, best Director, Best Actor and Best Adaptated Screenplay.

Did the film win any other major awards?
In addition to the Best Picture honors mentioned above, “Gump” won an American Comedy Award for Best Actor, Outstanding Directorial Achievement from the DGA, the Chicago Film Critics Association award for Best Actor, a SAG award for Tom Hanks and a WGA Best Adapted Screenplay award.

 

In any other years, would the film be popular or well-regarded?
No. One can argue the optimism at the heart of “Gump” could only connect during the Clinton administration. The picture likely wouldn’t have broken through to the Oscars the previous years, when “Unforgiven” and “Schindler‘s List” were fairly unbeatable. 1995 and 1996 are a different story, as neither “Braveheart” nor “The English Patient” had the same baby-boomer mass appeal.

 

What impact did the movie have on film history? Did it introduce new technology? Did it change filmmaking in any way?
“Gump” is known for pioneering the use of special effects to allow modern footage to share space with older material, creating the illusion of Gump crossing paths with former Presidents. The Best Visual Effects Oscar was also earned for the illusion of Sinese’s Lt. Dan losing his legs.

 

What was the film’s pop cultural impact?
“Gump” introduced a raft of catchphrases and inside jokes, connecting with young and old. Too much to list here, but it’s worth noting few films had such cross-generational appeal and pop culture friendliness. Also see: Bubba Gump Shrimp.

 

Does the film have a questionable subtext?
Oh, boy, far too much. Zemeckis’ film features a story where the mentally impaired hero keeps his head down and successfully powers through life, while his free-thinking liberal lover becomes victim to a sea of drugs, rock and roll, and abusive Black Panthers. Gump becomes a war hero, and later independently wealthy, despite running when the going got tough. His catchphrases include “Stupid is as stupid does,” “shit happens,” and the zen koan “Life is like a box of chocolates.”

In conclusion, as much as I would quarrel with the content of the film, I think there’s more than enough evidence to support “Gump” belonging in the National Film Registry. It was unquestionably a movie of its time, and while we can bemoan that, we cannot ignore it.

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It didn't win the MTV Award for Best Movie. "Pulp Fiction" actually won that one. I remember because I taped the ceremony and I could never forget that being one of the first and best examples of why I thought the MTV Movie Awards were so cool for so many years. This was back when they would give the awards to movies that were creative and actually well-written and directed, but considered too 'low' for Oscar consideration (i.e. violent, profane, or belonging to a 'lesser' genre like horror or slapstick).

 

Other nice picks in subsequent years were "Seven", "There's Something About Mary", and "Scream". It only turned into a shitty goof with no actual credibility and no regard for the actual quality of what it chose for "best movie" (the only criteria being "popular") when it started giving the award to movies like "Napolean Dynamite", "Transformers", and "Twilight" movies.

 

But back on topic, "Pulp Fiction" winning was a great memorable moment. Tarantino was ecstatic. He blew one of those birthday party blower thingies and amusingly referenced "Speed" as he quipped, "You keep going to award shows and losing to 'Forrest Gump', what do you do? What DO you do? You go to the MTV Movie Awards!". Damn, that show used to rule.

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I'm not sure if "Was it truly the best film in its year of release?" is really a fair question.  Just look at the ongoing No Country for Old Men/There Will Be Blood debate for an example of a year that's never going to produce a definitive answer.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T View Post
 

What impact did the movie have on film history? Did it introduce new technology? Did it change filmmaking in any way?

“Gump” is known for pioneering the use of special effects to allow modern footage to share space with older material, creating the illusion of Gump crossing paths with former Presidents.


ZELIG! Gump popularized it, but Zelig's the pioneering film, since it actually did it first.

 

I am morally obligated to speak up on behalf of Zelig whenever the opportunity arises.

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

I'm not sure if "Was it truly the best film in its year of release?" is really a fair question.  Just look at the ongoing No Country for Old Men/There Will Be Blood debate for an example of a year that's never going to produce a definitive answer.



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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

I'm not sure if "Was it truly the best film in its year of release?" is really a fair question.  Just look at the ongoing No Country for Old Men/There Will Be Blood debate for an example of a year that's never going to produce a definitive answer.

 

Blame the Keltner List!

 

Again, it's an imperfect questioning system, but I couldn't think of a better way to rephrase that question for movies. Though, do you really see anyone arguing Forrest Gump was the best film of 1994 anymore these days?

 

Thanks for the correction, Naisu. WIKIPEDIA LIED TO ME.

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eForrest Gump is right wing propaganda. The message is: it's okay to be stupid. You can still succeed and make a lot of money, if you don't ask too many questions and start a shrimp company.

Everything Jenny does is a conservatives nightmare version of post-50's America, and she is punished for her immorality.

I guess "Birth of a Nation" was a good movie too.

 

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Just as the same way the Keltner List doesn't prove someone was a GOOD player, it doesn't prove that a movie was a GREAT movie. This is only for the sake of election into the National Film Registry. Begrudgingly, Forrest Gump belongs, Dr. Cyclops.

 

I just always wanted to end a comment with a comma, then "Dr. Cyclops."

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Decided to pick another recent National Film Registry selection...

 

 

The Keltner List: SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER

Was the film regarded as the best movie of the year? Did anyone, while the film was released, suggest it was the best film of the year?
1977 was an exceptionally strong year for movies, with "Annie Hall" and "Star Wars" leading a pack that included such counterculture hits like "Suspiria," "Eraserhead," "Martin" and "Stroszek." Steven Spielberg also released "Close Encounters Of The Third Kind," Altman made "3 Women" and Luis Bunuel brought us "That Obscure Object of Desire." I don't realistically think "Fever" can stand neck and neck with those offerings. In regards to Academy Awards, the film picked up a sole nomination for John Travolta as Best Actor.

 

Were there any significant detractors at the time?
Variety memorably panned the film, calling the story "teenage exploitation rehash," comparing it to "rock music cheapies" of the 1950's while saying its a "more shrill, more vulgar, more trifling, more superficial and more pretentious exploitation film."

 

 

Was it the best film ever made by its director?
"Saturday Night Fever" was the work of John Badham, a journeyman who followed "Fever" with another version "Dracula" and never seemed to express a desire to be taken seriously, spending the eighties and nineties on middling genre projects. His last notable highlight was 1995's "Nick Of Time."

 

Did the film feature great performances?
Travolta is just about unforgettable in a star-making role. While his cinematic sins are legion, it's hard to deny in his dancing, his aggressive physicality and his rough-hewn charisma, that Travolta made this film sing.

 

Did the film have a shelf life?
A bit too edgy for the "classic film" canon, it's also somewhat square to more modern film fans, despite moments of sexual and racial frankness. For all its fame, you see more people parodying the iconography more than recalling the content of the film.

 

Did the participants ever match the standard of this film ever again?

Travolta used the picture as a stepping stone to bigger and better things, and while he was more interesting as he matured into conventional leading man parts, he was never this attractive or electric.

Director Badham went on to have a prolific if undistinguished career, helming genre fare like "WarGames," "Short Circuit" and "Stakeout," and he retired in the late nineties after the middling suspenser "Incognito."

 

Was the film a box office hit?

The film made a whopping $237 million despite carrying an R-rating. Producers re-submitted the film to the MPAA a year later with some objectionable material cut, and the film gained a PG re-release.

 

Is there any evidence to suggest the film’s success was a fluke?

While one could argue the downward trend of disco music in 1977, "Fever" more or less hit at the exact right spot for the audience, mostly due to a groundbreaking soundtrack album headed by original BeeGees music. "Fever" is less timeless and more of a time capsule, so "fluke" is probably too negative a word to use here. MUST IRON OUT KELTNER KINKS.

 

Did the film win Academy Awards?
None, though there was the aforementioned Travolta nomination.


Did the film win any other major awards?

Travolta took home the Best Actor award from the National Board Of Review, but the film went home empty-handed after four Golden Globe nominations, including Best Picture.

 

In any other years, would the film be popular or well-regarded?
"Fever" was a film of its time, unmistakably. But it stands to reason that as time goes by, the angry streets of Brooklyn, and Travolta's sometimes-belligerent angry-young-man performance, feel more vital and intriguing. The film is unquestionably a dynamic watch, and a landmark as far as music-fueled films.

 

What impact did the movie have on film history? Did it introduce new technology? Did it change filmmaking in any way?

Most consider "Star Wars" to be the most influential film of that era as far as multimedia influence. But the "Saturday Night Fever" soundtrack was a rarity, being released even before the movie surfaced, illustrating the value of commercial soundtracks to the major studios. The album went on to sell 40 million copies worldwide.

 

What was the film’s pop cultural impact?

Nobody has ever forgotten that hair. That ice cream suit. The opening bars of "Stayin' Alive." But Tony Manero's memory lives on only in his moves on the dance floor - few remember the actual character or his ocassional foul-mouthed nastiness. The images and the sounds linger mostly, while Badham is responsible for molding a compelling, ground-level narrative with a serious class awareness.

However, it did give us this...

 

 

Does the film have a questionable subtext?
Depending on who you ask, "Fever" is either pro-or-anti disco lifestyle. Tony is a rude, often repugnant character, but the film forces you to cheer on his success, even after his sleazy advice and attitudes towards the opposite sex. Aside from that, it's not a particularly pointed film, narrowly focusing on one stubborn Brooklyn youth's desire to be famous.

 

I would have to say that "Fever"'s reputation has been inflated over the years. While it's a strong picture, it doesn't have many strengths or artistic success that should allow it to be remembered over the years. I vote no.

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