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post #151 of 196

IMO Ringo is the coolest Beatle because he is married to a Bond girl. I know that is shallow logic, but its logic nevertheless.

post #152 of 196
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 Eddie also made some crack about Dave needing to act his age. Its not like Dave is still wearing ass-less leather chaps, saying,"Don't squirt water on me. I'm gonna fuck your girlfriend pal!" anymore, and he he appears to be comfortable with his lack of hair. He is still going all out to entertain the crowd which is what people except from him. Eddie also says the reason there isn't a new Va Halen CD planned is because Dave is more into dance music. My guess is Dave just has his own views and doesn't agree with Eddie on everything. A couple of years ago Dave said he would like to write a new record with Eddie. As usual I think the truth is closer to Dave's side.

Yeah, that I didn't get.  So he has to act like a 60 year old on stage?  Makes zero sense.  Jagger is what 70's 80's and still a great frontman and acts like he always did.  

 

And I agree on the shitting on Anthony.  He was an important part of that chemistry.  If he wants to give the fans (Roth) he has to go all the way and give us Anthony.  

post #153 of 196
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IMO Ringo is the coolest Beatle because he is married to a Bond girl. I know that is shallow logic, but its logic nevertheless.

Speaking of Ringo (and the Beatles) anyone see that doc about Harry Nilsson?  Didn't know much about him and I saw it recently and it was fantastic.  Crazy how good of a singer he was.  

post #154 of 196
The brief Gary Cherone period of Van Halen is something I've always neglected. Not that I think it was terrible. I never listened to that album because I didn't have much interest. Heck, I still haven't listened to the last Hagar album Balance. I always knew that during the Hagar period that a lot of the Roth era songs were shelved aside from maybe three or four that Hagar was comfortable singing to. Thinking of that, I got curious of whether Cherone was eager to bring back a lot of those Roth titles. He definitely did, and I can imagine in 1998 that Van Halen fans who were more open to Cherone were more than ecstatic to learn that the band would be playing songs that hadn't been heard played live for 13 years. That's a serious catalog being brought back. So I looked into YouTube to check out those Roth era songs. Cherone's good, he brings his own energy into the songs like any other good singer would for covering tunes. Good on him. What really surprised me though was that Michael Anthony was given a shot to sing, and it was the Roth era "Somebody Get Me a Doctor". Sounds interesting.

Mikey really pulls it off here. This is my first time seeing him take the lead vocals. Guy is such a treasure, I cannot fathom why he would be so marginalized by Eddie. The only clue to the fall out seems to be that when Dave and Sammy toured together, Mikey actually joined and played it. I suppose that must have some factor on why Eddie was no longer happy with him. Anyway, here's Mikey singing "Somebody Get Me a Doctor"


post #155 of 196

 According to Billy Sheenan, Eddie wanted him to replace Michael Anthony back in the early 80's.

post #156 of 196
Better that Roth recruited him instead.
post #157 of 196

 I have a great DVD bootleg of the Detroit show from the Eat Em and Smile tour. Its just some dude in the audience with a camcorder, but he did a good job of shooting the show and there are no drop outs.

 

  I just found footage of said show on youtube

 

 

 

post #158 of 196

The Eat 'Em and Smile tour was my first concert ever, fifth grade. Just by watching DLR onstage, I discovered how wonderful cocaine could make a person feel at a very impressionable age.

post #159 of 196

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/live-reviews/van-halen-play-nice-shred-hard-at-high-energy-tour-opener-20150706?page=2

  If you want to be surprised when you see Van Halen live, don't read the set list. I couldn't help myself and I have only one response:

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Fuck...that is one killer setlist.  It's like a dream come true.

 

They even opened my my very favorite non-single VH tune.

 

Fuck.

post #162 of 196
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That's an impressive set list. It's amazing, everyone hated Eddie two weeks ago, they were saying the tour was going to flop, blah blah blah and now everyone loves him again. Being a fucking genius at your instrument with almost forty years of great music at your disposal goes a long way. 

 

A few years back, I was picking up materials for a shoot at Home Depot and I had a Van Halen shirt on. The 50ish/60ish clerk saw it and said "I went to high school with those guys!" 

 

Me: "Very cool."

 

Clerk: "Eddie Van Halen was a huge nerd, he just hid in his bedroom and played his guitar."

 

What I Wanted to Say: "Yeah, it's too bad that didn't work out because you're a multi-millionaire rock star and he's still a clerk at Home Depot. Oh wait."

 

What I actually said: "Oh." 

 

I paid for the materials and left. 

post #163 of 196
Nah. Eddie us and will always be a prick, but you forgive genius. Fine line between genius and insanity and all of that.
post #164 of 196

What the clerk said?  Eddie's confirmed that in interviews.  When he was first learning guitar, he'd literally lock himself in his room every day after school and practice, practice, practice.  It wasn't until after high school, when he emerged from his room as a guitar god, that he came out of his shell.

post #165 of 196
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What the clerk said?  Eddie's confirmed that in interviews.  When he was first learning guitar, he'd literally lock himself in his room every day after school and practice, practice, practice.  It wasn't until after high school, when he emerged from his room as a guitar god, that he came out of his shell.

I wasn't questioning what he said, it was more how he said it. Tone was everything here. He said it with an air of "Can you believe that's how somebody spent their time? Pathetic."

 

I've got no tolerance for people who look down on someone for pursuing a career in the arts, even when they become monstrously successful at it. 

post #166 of 196

Ah, gotcha.  Sorry for misreading your post.

 

But yeah, I'm amazed at the dedication that a lot of my guitar heroes put into learning their instruments.  My favorite story is about how John Petrucci and John Myung (Dream Theater) made a pact that they would practice every single day of their Summer vacation for something like 8-10 hours a day.  Every day.  To have that kind of drive...to know, with a certainty, that I want to be a top tier guitarist for a living and to have the discipline to commit myself to that path...I admire the hell out of anyone that can do that.

post #167 of 196
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Ah, gotcha.  Sorry for misreading your post.

 

But yeah, I'm amazed at the dedication that a lot of my guitar heroes put into learning their instruments.  My favorite story is about how John Petrucci and John Myung (Dream Theater) made a pact that they would practice every single day of their Summer vacation for something like 8-10 hours a day.  Every day.  To have that kind of drive...to know, with a certainty, that I want to be a top tier guitarist for a living and to have the discipline to commit myself to that path...I admire the hell out of anyone that can do that.

 

Stephen King's On Writing has a passage where he explains the hierarchy of writers (though I think it applies to all the arts). The top level is the rarest, the one in a million, perhaps a billion, who are just blessed with refined talent from birth (Shakespeare) and the next level, where he classifies himself, are people who are accomplished and skilled but mainly got there from years of experience in the development of their craft.

 

What's impressive is that the top level still spend every day working at what they do. To have somebody shit on that kind of dedication is truly an asshole move. Everybody out here is a writer, musician, actor, stand-up comedian, etc.  I respect the hell out of that but if you're the type who doesn't spend every single day focused on what you're here to do, yeah, I'll probably look down my nose at you. But only because you're lazy, not because you have a dream. 

 

In other news, how is this delightful piece of 80s kitsch not more well known? 

 

(Eddie and Dave are featured in the first forty-five seconds. Eddie's a lovably terrible actor)

 

 

post #168 of 196
That goes for any profession.
post #169 of 196
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That goes for any profession.

 

It really doesn't, though. Most people don't go seven days a week all year, holidays included, in "any profession." 

post #170 of 196
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It really doesn't, though. Most people don't go seven days a week all year, holidays included, in "any profession." 

 

Well, most professions.  

post #171 of 196
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Well, most professions.  

 

Very few professions have and require that kind of dedication. 

post #172 of 196
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Very few professions have and require that kind of dedication. 

 

 

I'm a IT Tech and I can't remember the last day I wasn't fucking with tech.  It's not dedication but doing something you are passionate about.  

post #173 of 196
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I'm a IT Tech and I can't remember the last day I wasn't fucking with tech.  It's not dedication but doing something you are passionate about.  

 

Agreed. But again, dedication (and passion) aren't in overwhelming abundance when it comes to chose career paths. 

post #174 of 196
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Agreed. But again, dedication (and passion) aren't in overwhelming abundance when it comes to chose career paths. 

True, but it's not only exclusive to the arts is all I'm saying.  There's passionate Lawyers, Doctors, Teachers, Scientist, etc...

 

 

But I certainly get what your saying.  I studied film in College and I'm doing IT, and have kicked myself for not trying harder.  But at least I'm in another field which I dig.

post #175 of 196
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 Whatever one thinks of Roth, he is who he is. Eddie's attitude of its always someone else fault pisses me off.

 

 

Hell, when they kicked Roth out back in the day, I figured no harm, no foul....who COULD put up with Roth for 8 yrs? 

 

 

Then Hagar got booted; say what you will about him as a frontman/musician, he comes across as a generally decent guy. 

 

 

Then Anthony got booted for doing...well, no one is really sure what he did, aside from not be Dutch and occasionally talk to a guy he was in a band with for 20 yrs. 

 

 

Eddie is a douche. 

post #176 of 196
Michael thinks Eddie got upset over him started when he joined the Sam & Dave tour in 2002, when the band was still inactive without a vocalist. Joining that tour with the two big former lead men felt like a stab in the back for Eddie.
post #177 of 196
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Michael thinks Eddie got upset over him started when he joined the Sam & Dave tour in 2002, when the band was still inactive without a vocalist. Joining that tour with the two big former lead men felt like a stab in the back for Eddie.

 

Eddie's quote was "You can't be in two bands."

 

Unless you're his son. Then it's totally okay. 

post #178 of 196

When Michael toured with Sammy Van Halen wasn't doing anything. Playing live sounds like a better way for a musician to spend his time and more fun too.

post #179 of 196
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Eddie's quote was "You can't be in two bands."

 

 

 

Yeah, aside from the fact that the guys who came up in the 90s are usually in like a half-dozen bands at once, it seems (thinking Homme, Grohl, various members of Pearl Jam....) 

post #180 of 196
Explain that to Eddie's ego.
post #181 of 196
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This is cute:

 

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Good to hear. Yeah, Eddie can come off like a dick in interviews and they were a punchline for a solid decade (by their own doing) but it's nice to see them still killing it. 

 

I tend not to get caught up in attendance figures but it seems every show has been capacity or near-capacity, which is also a nice break from the weeks of "LOL! This tour is going to bomb!" talk that was all over the internet. 

post #185 of 196

 The Pittsburgh show was awesome! Dave sang really well. Its was a big improvement over his performance on Kimmel. I knew they where going to do all those deep cuts, but it was still mind blowing to actually see them play In a Simple Rhyme and Dirty Movies. Feel Your Love Tonight sounded great; the harmonies where spot on. Here is my favorite Rothism of the night:"You look familar. At this point in the career, do I know your mom?"

post #186 of 196

Some videos from Pittsburgh

post #187 of 196

Dave shuts down a dude who threw a beer in stage.

post #188 of 196

The tour just ended and it would seem that all is well in the band.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-lee-roth-thanks-eddie-van-halen/

post #189 of 196
I wonder what's next. Album, another tour?
post #190 of 196

Today is Diamond Dave's birthday. In his honor I will spend the day drinking Jack Daniels in spandex and speak entirely in Rothisms such as: "Look at all the people hear tonight, I am the son of Satan though my duties are largely ceremonial, and after all these years I still don't need glasses, I drink straight from the bottle."

post #191 of 196

 I just finished Van Halen Rising and its an informative look at the band's early years. It starts with the band playing back yard parties up until the first tour was over.. There is a whole chapter about Eddie learning about finger tapping and how he adapted into his technique. One of favorite stories was when Van Halen opened for UFO in 76. Somebody told Dave he was excited for the show because he was a big fan of Micheal Schenker. Dave told him he felt bad for Schenker because Eddie was going to mop the floor with them. Come show day, UFO was too high/drunk/hungover too follow a super charged Van Halen.

post #192 of 196
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I just finished Van Halen Rising myself. Between DLR's Crazy From The Heat, Everybody Wants Some (the Ian Christe book), the Van Halen Encyclopedia, and the fact I've tracked down every interview with them I could, I truly thought I knew everything about the band.

 

I was wrong. This was some eye-opening shit, mainly in how rough they had it with numerous false starts and rejections that spanned years. Crazy from the Heat is definitely the romantic take on their rise, as Roth makes it sound like they went from backyard parties to Warner Bros. in what seems like a fairly short time.  

 

Granted, he does mention the Bill Aucoin story but he doesn't mention how the Van Halen brothers thought they were dead in the water after that and it was really only through Roth's coaxing that they continued. You'd think that would have made his book, as it's a testament to how crucial he was in them getting discovered. I didn't know Kim Fowley was involved with them briefly and I didn't know it took such a long time for Roth to even join the band. They really wanted nothing to do with him at first (which he sort of mentions in CFTH). 

 

Overall, it's a great read, even for the most casual fan. 

post #193 of 196

This news isn't fresh, but rumor has it Van Halen will tour in 2018 and the tour could include both Dave and Sammy. Nothing is confirmed at this time.

https://themusicuniverse.com/van-halen-rumored-reunite-album-tour-2018/

post #194 of 196
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This news isn't fresh, but rumor has it Van Halen will tour in 2018 and the tour could include both Dave and Sammy. Nothing is confirmed at this time.
https://themusicuniverse.com/van-halen-rumored-reunite-album-tour-2018/

I'd be really surprised if that came to fruition. It sounds like the sort of rumor that would have surfaced during the dark days of the early 00s (and I think did).
Edited by Mike J - 4/1/17 at 10:33am
post #195 of 196
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So it looks like the highlight of this year will be Noel Monk's book (Runnin' With the Devil).

 

If you haven't picked it up yet, it's worth reading. There's nothing too earth-shattering and it's certainly not on par with Van Halen Rising but there's still some good stuff.

 

Monk comes of a little bitter at times (understandable when you read how they fired him) but it seems like a pretty spot-on take of the band, especially given all the other accounts that exist.

 

Worth a read if you're a fan.


Edited by Mike J - 7/13/17 at 5:12pm
post #196 of 196

I heard some of Eddie Trunk's interview with Monk, and it defiantly made me want to read his book. 

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