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Not that the average Chewer will gang up on newcomers, per se, but we're known for being vocal about our opinions. 

 

Once you get to be a regular around here, for instance, you start to notice a general consensus on certain movies. Now, as is the case in any community, when hype and expectations have been built up there can be a considerable backlash. This may be an individual looking to be a contrarian, but if they're vocal enough or make a strong enough argument then there will be agreement. Eventually that agreement leads to a new consensus, and so on and so forth. For instance, I've noticed that the average Chewer will dismiss American Beauty as Oscar-baiting fluff, although back in 1999 it was lauded as a modern day classic. 

 

By comparison, since we're known for being a niche culture but also open minded cinephiles, a Chewer may argue in defense of a movie that has been condemned by the general public. These defenses range from a movie being misunderstood, not being marketed right, or being so bad it's really good. As of late, for instance, Batman & Robin has been making the rounds on several sections of the boards. Oh yes, it has defenders, they are vocal, and viewing that movie in a new light seems to be catching on.

 

So I figured this would be a good time and place to document which movies have been experiencing backlash on the boards (or in the general public, and do we agree), and which movies have had some turnaround.  

 

 

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Where's Scott Pilgrim on the Beloved-Backlash scale these days?

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I will put forward SPEED RACER, a film that was generally disliked upon it's release, but one  which I gave a second chance after certain vocal members of the CHUD community rose to it's defense. Though I still don't see a great deal of support for the movie in the wider world, I am proud to now count myself among the band of SLEED RACER enthusiasts on CHUD

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So help me, I will make EVERY ONE OF YOU LOVE the awfulness of Mission Impossible 2 as much as I WOO!!!!

 

Attack the Block had a tiny bit of backlash around here.  Not that anyone outright hated it, but some where definitely underwhelmed after the hype that met it prior to release.

 

Kate, Speed Racer was actually pretty well-liked around here by those who took a chance to see it in theaters.  There just wasn't that many of us.

 

I've noticed that people don't seem to like Equilibrium much around here anymore.  I wasn't around at the time, but it seems like it was THE movie to love around here.

 

Depending on your opinion of the film, Scott Pilgrim seems to be either:

 

completely neglected in terms of discussion by either side...

 

or hibernating before it becomes the CULT HIT IT'S DESTINED TO BECOME!!!  Hahahaha

 

 

post #5 of 68
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The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, a movie with 86% on Rotten Tomatoes (I know, it's not a perfect system), has been getting it pretty harsh over in the post-release thread. 

 

Also, I never saw a negative reaction to Forrest Gump until I started posting on here. I admit, however, to being swayed by the adamant arguments on here. 

post #6 of 68

I wish The Dark Knight would hurry up and be exposed for the mediocre film that it is which was propelled to geekgasm by Ledger's death only.

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I wonder how much of what TDKR ends up being will affect what people think of TDK.

 

We won't know anytime soon, Tzu!  It'll could get even worse for you! 

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I wonder how much of what TDKR ends up being will affect what people think of TDK.

 

We won't know anytime soon, Tzu!  It'll could get even worse for you! 



I'll most likely only be worse off afterwards because Rises will be the Venom/Sandman to TDK's elevated train sequence.

post #9 of 68

  Chud gave GI Joe and good review and the chewers liked it. I read some comparing it to Flash Gordon. I saw it and I didn't think it was bad, but it sure as hell wasn't good. It was a generic action flick.

 

  I love Scott Pilgrim vs the World.

 

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Where's Scott Pilgrim on the Beloved-Backlash scale these days?



It bombed, so no one who hates it gives enough of a shit to discuss it further. TDK didn't, so strange people are still waiting for their moment in the Sun where their dislike of the film is somehow validated. These people live in a world where the Godfather part 3 nullifies the cultural impact of the original film and its sequel. Strange indeed.

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I'll most likely only be worse off afterwards because Rises will be the Venom/Sandman to TDK's elevated train sequence.


"Hey Bane!  Wanna team up in the 3rd act????"

"SDPFIOJSDPFJSDFSPDSZFZZF!"

 

post #12 of 68

 I like Godfather 3. Its clearly not as good as the first two, but its still good. I like the theme of Michael trying to redeem himself, but he can't. Having Fredo killed can't be forgiven. Serves him right he dies a lonely old man.

post #13 of 68

Not exactly the point I was making, but okay.

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Not the first time a thread took a slight detour.

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I haven't had a chance yet but I desperately want to experience the glorious sunshine of Hudson Hawk as a number of Chewers have told of it's greatness.

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As a Flash Gordon fan, you might like it. Its a fun goofy movie.

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I'll most likely only be worse off afterwards because Rises will be the Venom/Sandman to TDK's elevated train sequence.



Or like how opinions of The Matrix Reloaded sort of dropped after The Matrix Revolutions.  

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Not the first time a thread took a slight detour.



 

Fair enough. 

 

I don't know, I was bored out of my fucking skull with the first Transformers film, but it made a mint and a lot of Chewers appear to stand by it. That somehow doesn't really bother me at all. However, when Chewers whose opinions I respect embraced Piranha 3D, I felt like an expecting father who watched something he was a part of blossom in the womb for nine months only to see it come into this world a stillborn. Hyperbole? Yeah, okay, probably, but that movie is for assholes.

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So help me, I will make EVERY ONE OF YOU LOVE the awfulness of Mission Impossible 2 as much as I WOO!!!!

 

Attack the Block had a tiny bit of backlash around here.  Not that anyone outright hated it, but some where definitely underwhelmed after the hype that met it prior to release.

 

Kate, Speed Racer was actually pretty well-liked around here by those who took a chance to see it in theaters.  There just wasn't that many of us.

 

I've noticed that people don't seem to like Equilibrium much around here anymore.  I wasn't around at the time, but it seems like it was THE movie to love around here.

 

Depending on your opinion of the film, Scott Pilgrim seems to be either:

 

completely neglected in terms of discussion by either side...

 

or hibernating before it becomes the CULT HIT IT'S DESTINED TO BECOME!!!  Hahahaha

 

 



 

Attack the Block and Scott Pilgrim are similar cases in that both were hyped heavily by CHUD (Scott Pilgrim especially), and then when they finally released everyone got the chance to figure out what they thought - or at least, to be filtered through the hype they had retained from reading the site. That's some pretty huge baggage to put on peoples' expectations of a film, so what may have seemed like a backlash was really a lot of people going "I like it, but just don't adore it like I thought I would" But because everyone was expecting to sing hosannas to each other about these movies, it's assumed to be a muted reaction when it's really not.

 

This is doubly so with Scott Pilgrim, where the hype was so strong I think people are still trying to formulate their opinions of the film. I think now that we're all starting to get from distance from the film, the standard ofdiscussion will improve.

 

Oh, and I'm another person who was turned on to Speed Racer by CHUD, so I'd say that that's a great example of Chewer Rehabilitation.

 

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I haven't had a chance yet but I desperately want to experience the glorious sunshine of Hudson Hawk as a number of Chewers have told of it's greatness.



We should make THAT the next watch-along

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Or like how opinions of The Matrix Reloaded sort of dropped after The Matrix Revolutions.  



I think even the great Justin Clarke has grown quiet in defense of that particular pop cultural zeitgist of a decade ago. I may be the only standard bearer around here these days.

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I think even the great Justin Clarke has grown quiet in defense of that particular pop cultural zeitgist of a decade ago. I may be the only standard bearer around here these days.



The next time a Matrix debate breaks out, you may have backup.

 

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I still dig Reloaded and Revolutions.  So very flawed, but I can't hate such a weird pair of Hollywood blockbusters.  Diva remains a soldier for Reloaded, I believe.

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Are chewers still the internet standard bearer defenders of Aronofskys forgotten Best Film, or did much of that passion leave with a certain ex head writer?

 

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It bombed, so no one who hates it gives enough of a shit to discuss it further. TDK didn't, so strange people are still waiting for their moment in the Sun where their dislike of the film is somehow validated. These people live in a world where the Godfather part 3 nullifies the cultural impact of the original film and its sequel. Strange indeed.


Hey, I realize 100% I stand alone in the cold on this one.  I am happy here.  I don't expect to be joined any time soon.  *EDIT*  Also, I don't dislike the film, I find it to be very nice homage to the '89 film in many respects but I don't believe the film is the Messiah of Batman films.  And had Ledger not died I think it absolutely would be less regarded.

 



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I haven't had a chance yet but I desperately want to experience the glorious sunshine of Hudson Hawk as a number of Chewers have told of it's greatness.



I just checked to see if they had a Blu-ray because I was going to mail you my DVD copy and get me a new one.  You are so missing out.  I'm gonna go watch it right now.


 

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We should make THAT the next watch-along


I'd watch it again during this as well.  Probably a good thing these don't take place in person as I tend to recite the dialog out loud along with the movie.

 

post #26 of 68

There aren't too many voices left that are passionately driving much of anything at the moment (in response to The Fountain post). Also, films that don't have a whole lot of cultural juice (irrespective of quality) tend to go dormant anyway.

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The next time a Matrix debate breaks out, you may have backup.

 



Bring the noise...

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There aren't too many voices left that are passionately driving much of anything at the moment (in response to The Fountain post).



Oh come on, chud went pretty damn nuts for Drive, sang the praises of Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes, the 1982 thread is shaping into great fun and thats less than a day old.

 

The passions coming back JJ - join in as much as you can mate.

post #29 of 68

I suppose. We shall see.

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I remember some people catching no end of hell when they dared to say that they merely liked Fellowship of the Ring.  

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I suppose. We shall see.



Look after your day finishes down the mine and you get to go back to Snow Whites cooking with your six other mates, it may not seem so dour, Grumpy.

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Bring the noise...

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Funk yeah.

 

 

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I remember some people catching no end of hell when they dared to say that they merely liked Fellowship of the Ring.  



 I gave the Lord of the Rings movies a chance, but I just can't get into them. Its not like I think I'm too cool for them; I have Flash Gordon memorized for Christ's sake! I have no thought out reason for not liking them, I just don't.

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Funk yeah.

 

 



You have my sword!

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Kingdom of Heaven has some very passion and articulate defenders on CHUD. I'm half convinced my utter contempt for that movie is somehow misplaced, yet I've been unwilling to lose four more hours of my life to rewatch it.

 

 

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Kingdom of Heaven has some very passion and articulate defenders on CHUD. I'm half convinced my utter contempt for that movie is somehow misplaced, yet I've been unwilling to lose four more hours of my life to rewatch it.

 

 



Did you watch the DC or theatrical? (yes yes, the standard chud question I know, but I'm one of the loudest voices round here on this one)

post #37 of 68

Kinda disappointed to go into the B-Action thread and find that a lot of people were lukewarm on "24." Then again, I stupidly love every minute of that show.

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Did you watch the DC or theatrical? (yes yes, the standard chud question I know, but I'm one of the loudest voices round here on this one)



(Sigh) yes I saw the DC.

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(Sigh) yes I saw the DC.



You are allowed to not like it, I could see how someone might become quite distracted by Blooms central performance for one. I don't have a problem with it, but I can certainly see why it would rub some the wrong way.

post #40 of 68

Ledger's death added to the hype around TDK, but his performance was legitimately incredible and would be iconic even without all that baggage.  I can understand not liking the movie as it's certainly flawed, (it's awfully dour for a summer tentpole, longer than it needs to be and the action in the finale is rather limp), but it's way too sprawling and thoughtful of a superhero movie to call mediocre.

 

Personally, I will not be satisfied until the sewer as a whole recognizes Intolerable Cruelty for the terrific screwball comedy that it is, regardless of how airheaded it is next to the Coens' top shelf of work.

 

 

 

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Personally, I will not be satisfied until the sewer as a whole recognizes Intolerable Cruelty for the terrific screwball comedy that it is, regardless of how airheaded it is next to the Coens' top shelf of work.

 

 



Amen to that. While I can at least understand the muted response The Ladykillers gets, I never understood that same hate being pointed at Cruelty. It's god damn hilarious, Clooneys a delight, Geoffrey Rush is fantastic, it's imminently quotable and a wonderful homage to screwball comedies of the past. No it's not Raising Arizona, but does it make me laugh until the milk comes outta my nose? Sure does.

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You are allowed to not like it, I could see how someone might become quite distracted by Blooms central performance for one. I don't have a problem with it, but I can certainly see why it would rub some the wrong way.



That's a big part of it, but my real complaint is that the whole movie is judging Medieval Europe and the Crusades from the standpoint of 21st century Political Correctness, and it comes off as cloying and pandering.

 

But to be honest, I think Ridley Scott peaked with The Duelists, Alien and Blade Runner (I love all three films). Film Fans seem to think he's a great Auteur because his films all have great production values. I need more than that in a Director I consider great.

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Due to the CHUD love, I finally gave SPEED RACER another shot, this time with the benefit of Blu Ray. I will say that I didn't dislike it as much as I did the first time, but I'm still a little baffled at the total love it gets around here. Certainly there is stuff here to enjoy, especially if you can channel your cartoon loving, sugary cereal eating inner 8-year old. But its Saturday morning cartoon qualites are totally undermined by an overstuffed plot concerned with the politics of sports racing, and I don't feel the action scenes have any weight, being nothing but glorified cartoon sequences themselves. John Goodman, Susan Sarandon and the chimp give the only performances that are really worth a damn, as the usually good Emiele Hirsch registers as nothing but a bland cypher and Christina Ricci registers as little more a cutie-pie. And don't even get me started on Mathew Fox or that awful kid. I think the wide-eyed good-naturedness of the message and the candy colored visuals really carry the day for some people, but for me it's just a bunch of day-glo bluescreen work with a typical family values message. In summary, I don't hate the movie but can't quite understand why some of you love it so.

post #44 of 68

GO BACK TO YOUR PRECIOUS TDKR THREAD!!!

 

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(bless you for giving it another shot!)

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Due to the CHUD love, I finally gave SPEED RACER another shot, this time with the benefit of Blu Ray. I will say that I didn't dislike it as much as I did the first time, but I'm still a little baffled at the total love it gets around here. Certainly there is stuff here to enjoy, especially if you can channel your cartoon loving, sugary cereal eating inner 8-year old. But its Saturday morning cartoon qualites are totally undermined by an overstuffed plot concerned with the politics of sports racing, and I don't feel the action scenes have any weight, being nothing but glorified cartoon sequences themselves. John Goodman, Susan Sarandon and the chimp give the only performances that are really worth a damn, as the usually good Emiele Hirsch registers as nothing but a bland cypher and Christina Ricci registers as little more a cutie-pie. And don't even get me started on Mathew Fox or that awful kid. I think the wide-eyed good-naturedness of the message and the candy colored visuals really carry the day for some people, but for me it's just a bunch of day-glo bluescreen work with a typical family values message. In summary, I don't hate the movie but can't quite understand why some of you love it so.

 

For me, it's because unlike something like Transformers, it's not ugly and insipid, it actually cares about its characters, and kids can watch it w/out having to digest the gross, sociopathic digressions of its director.

post #46 of 68

I first saw this movie thanks to Chud, and I think the Blu-Ray looks phenomenal, but it does diminish upon repeated viewings. The art direction, editing and cinematography are fantastic, but the plot is still an awkwardly structured mess, and the kid and the monkey are torture, and the cutesy pop-up they do before Hirsch and Ricci's big kiss at the end completely ruins the moment.

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For me, it's because unlike something like Transformers, it's not ugly and insipid, it actually cares about its characters, and kids can watch it w/out having to digest the gross, sociopathic digressions of its director.

 

I agree with this. It's a movie that has its heart in the right place. I'm just not sure if that place is for me.

post #48 of 68
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I created this thread over a year and a half ago after noticing certain trends around the boards. I hardly could have anticipated the backlash that 2012 and 2013 would bring in our little community.

 

The Dark Knight Rises faced the wrath of Nooj while Star Trek Into Darkness blew all the goodwill toward the new iteration and Man of Steel failed to live up to expectations. Again, however, it's important to know where we stand in relation to the general public. The recent Ben Affleck casting (and I DON'T want this to be another thread for that discussion) has reverberated with the "norms", becoming water cooler talk during a slow news cycle.

 

Mostly what that's brought to my attention is how short and how long our memories can be when it comes to movies. Old sentiments never really go away, and in the case of Superman a lot of baggage was brought to the table for certain viewers. Examining why we backlash, such as in the case of fans anticipating Pacific Rim's failure, can lead to healthier viewing habits. 

 

In a bit of turnaround, I recently re-watched Zoolander, a movie I hadn't seen since the theaters in 2001. At the time the movie just didn't gel with me, as I think I was in a "this is serious business" teenage mood and didn't understand the tone or Stiller's intentions. It was also in the wake of 9/11, with Roger Ebert notoriously giving the film one star mostly because he was offended by the idea of a plot revolving around the assassination of a Malaysian political leader. I'm happy to report, however, that at the old age of 29 this film hits all the right buttons. Stiller himself, and especially Owen Wilson, are real hit and miss with me but here they're perfectly playing to their strengths and images. The blink and miss them cameos, some too fast to catch, are a real treat and Will Ferrell actually tackles loud and boisterous with a different nuance than man child. Alexander Skarsgard, as well, is so gay here it's amazing. 

post #49 of 68
Thread Starter 

Been thinking about this thread lately. I started it almost six years ago, and haven't posted in it in more than four. I see a lot of the same stalwarts get discussed today, although it's fun to see them at ground zero.

 

So The Dark Knight Rises, Star Trek into Darkness and Man of Steel were highly anticipated movies, but from the start were divisive. The backlash more comes from their retroactively coloring earlier movies or franchises as a whole. 

 

Scott Pilgrim was the Internet's girlfriend for a hot minute, mostly due to Edgar Wright being not just beloved in the film community but ingratiated in the community itself (being friends with Nick, for once, and having the kind of status in the LA-Austin crowd that Guillermo del Toro and Robert Rodriguez had before him). It seems mostly forgotten about (I still love it), but continues as a splinter in people's mind as Wright not only lost out on Ant-Man but now Baby Driver is his big hit. Is Scott Pilgrim in need of a re-evaluation? 

 

Forrest Gump is an older movie that gets talked about a lot around here because of its problematic nature. It's a good example of a beloved movie, critically, culturally and financially, that gets looked back on by a later generation and picked apart.

 

One not mentioned in here is Shawshank Redemption but kind of has the same fit. People like to default to the reasoning that it only got popular because it aired on TNT on the regular, but Shawshank has a strange reputation in that people love Frank Darabont (there's a thread devoted to wanting the pre-Walking Dead Darabont back) but turned on Shawshank at some point. A lot of it gets chalked up to what someone said on The Loser's Club podcast recently, about how Shawshank is what people that aren't cinephiles think of as being the "best movie of all time." And while I don't think that, I do like Shawshank and don't really understand how it's gained its rep. I know our long-lost Agentsands, for instance, declared it an abomination, and I don't understand where such high emotion comes from in either direction. 

 

So along with that, any movies anyone has turned on lately, or better yet any they've turned around on?

post #50 of 68
Shawshank is fine.


I never did give a damn about Avatar. Never understood it's tremendous financial success.
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