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Don Bluth's Anastasia (1997)

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After languishing in the 90s with terrible films like Rock-A-Doodle, A Troll in Central Park, Thumbelina and The Pebble and the Penguin (which he actually took his name off of, though I don't want to know what that says about his thoughts on the others), Don Bluth finally had another hit with the very Disney-inspired Anastasia. Unfortunately, it was his last, as the next film he made with Fox Animation, Titan A.E. (which I think is vastly underrated), was a flop.

 

Thankfully, this, like Titan, holds up pretty well these days. It has the Disney formula, but still the Bluth personality, so it evens out. Laundry list!:

 

-OK, yes, the CGI is pretty iffy, especially considering the strides Disney had made in integrating hand-drawn animation and CGI props/backgrounds/elements. But there's ultimately not THAT much of it, and it's still used well even when it sticks out.

 

-The voice cast is big name, but they're well-chosen for their respective roles, and some of them already had good voice-over experience by this point. Meg Ryan (who I'm usually not a huge fan of, though I hardly hate her) makes for a spirited Anya/Anastasia, John Cusack is very charming and Cusack-y as Dimitri, Kelsey Grammer is terrific as always as Vlad, Bernadette Peters is very fun and French as Sophie, Angela Lansbury is in perfect grandma mode (she also gets some real pathos out of the Dowager Empress' weariness with pretenders), while Christopher Lloyd and Hank Azaria make for a fun pair of villains.

 

-I honestly don't mind this screwing around with history as much as I do with, say, Pocahontas, but there's a couple of reasons for that. One, this is based more on the 1956 live-action musical than *actual* history; Bluth was given a choice between two Fox musicals to remake in animation, and he chose this one. The other reason is that, well, this is well-written and doesn't try at preach at the audience for 90 minutes. It's a solid romantic comedy with some thrills and even legitimately heartwarming drama as Anya searches for an identity; the scene where she and the Dowager Empress finally realize that she's the real Anastasia belongs in the hall of "Great Cinematic Reunions".

 

-Wanna know the other choice Bluth had? My Fair Lady. I kind of wanna go to the alternate universe where THAT happened.

 

-The character animation looks a touch rotoscoped at points, but is otherwise excellent. I especially love how (as with most good animated films) the main characters subtly reflect their voice talents' physical natures at times.

 

-The songs aren't quite Disney-level, but they're still quite enjoyable. "A Rumor in St. Petersburg" is a very energetic way to start things off, 
"Journey to the Past" is a great little "I Want" song, Rasputin's "In The Dark of the Night" sounds like it should be on a metal album, and "Once Upon A December" proves to be quite the haunting little ditty.

 

-Jumping off the discussion we were having about female characters offing the villain in the Disney thread, I like that Anya gets to do so here by crushing Rasputin's reliquary. His subsequent demise is gleefully gruesome.

 

Any thoughts?

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I'm just not big on animated films playing with history personally. Hell I'm not too keen on musicals doing it either.

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Well, what about live-action films? They do this kind of thing all the time in "Based On A True Story" movies.

 

Any thoughts on the film otherwise?

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Well, what about live-action films? They do this kind of thing all the time in "Based On A True Story" movies.

 

Any thoughts on the film otherwise?



It's good, there's some real stuff to like there for sure. Rasputins a great villain I must admit - but yeah overall it's the need in animation to simplify, codify and turn most characters into overtly-simplistic templates that makes it profoundly unsuited to tackle history.

 

I'm not too keen on motion pictures doing the same thing - especially when they completely rewrite history from the ground up - but they're not as bound to their limitations like modern mainstream animation is.

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I can understand that line of reasoning, though it honestly doesn't bother me THAT much since I enjoy both this and many other "Based On A True Story" movies, although to be fair this never REALLY claimed to be a "Learn the truth!" movie.

 

Honestly, watching it again makes me sadder for Don Bluth. He's still working, trying to get films off the ground, teaching animation classes, and he even did a short animated take on the Rapunzel story for a Scissor Sisters video a few years back. But he used to be one of the top dogs of theatrical American animation, so it's just depressing that he hasn't made an honest-to-God FILM in 12 years.

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I'd love to see him and Ralph Bakshi get into a good old fashioned grumpy old men bitch session together.

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Ew, no, I'm not a big Bakshi fan. I appreciate that he tried to make truly adult animation, but his storytelling instincts tend to be pretty scattershot. And his imagery ranges from "inspired dementedness" to "goddamn ugly".

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Ew, no, I'm not a big Bakshi fan. I appreciate that he tried to make truly adult animation, but his storytelling instincts tend to be pretty scattershot. And his imagery ranges from "inspired dementedness" to "goddamn ugly".



Guy was nothing if not interesting tho. I'll take his interesting ugly over Bluths twee sub-Disney cuteness any day personally. Bluth peaked with his first post Disney production in my humble estimation.

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Yeah, NIMH is definitely his best film, though for me Anastasia and Titan A.E. recapture some of that cool, dark and weird feeling. And American Tail still holds up, if only for the fact that it doesn't shy away from the darker side of what real immigrants had to deal with. After that, it gets kind of scattershot: Land Before Time and All Dogs Go To Heaven have some great imagery, but feel patchwork as stories; Rock-A-Doodle feels half-assed on almost every level; and the unholy trinity of Troll in Central Park, Thumbelina and Pebble and the Penguin makes me want to vomit.

 

NIMH is just classic all-around: utterly gorgeous animation, a legitimately mature story, great voicework (Derek Jacobi, John Carradine AND Dom DeLuise in the same movie, bitches!), and Jerry Goldmith's majestic score.

 

Regarding Bakshi, I also never really feel an emotional connection to it. There's some stuff I find interesting because of the limitations he had to work with (his TV work in the 80s, Fire and Ice, Wizards), but most of his stuff, even his more personal 70s films and the stuff I like, leaves me utterly cold.

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Some guys touch you some guys don't. I hear ya.

post #11 of 31

I watched this in high school when we were studying Russian history (why, I don't know. I did wonder what would happen if I did our exam question based on the movie's version of what happened) - I was pleasantly surprised. Good to hear it still holds up.

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Some guys touch you some guys don't. I hear ya.


Thanks. Also, Cool World (his last big studio film) sucks a fat one. Yeah, yeah, I know he got totally fucked over on it, but the final product is what I judge, and I deem it crappy. There's a few minor bright spots (the voice actors are mostly professional ones doing what they can to save nothing roles, Brad Pitt is trying but failing, occasionally something visually intriguing happens), but it just fails completely as a story.

 

post #13 of 31

LOVE Anastasia.  Own the DVD, and there are two specific moments that never fail to give me chicken skin: the "Once Upon A December" sequence where her dress changes and she dances with her dad, and the moment where her grandmother gives her the crown.

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I take it you too love the moment where she straight-up kills the villain? Heh heh heh.

 

Also, I am deeply amused that Dimitri's singing voice sounds NOTHING like John Cusack. He's good, but clearly actor-singer synchronizing wasn't quite their top priority. Jim Cummings does a great job of singing Rasputin's song, even though he again isn't really trying to sound like Lloyd.

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I take it you too love the moment where she straight-up kills the villain? Heh heh heh.

 


FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!  He wiped out her entire fucking family!  DASVIDANIYA!

 

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 The hell does that even mean, anyway? I've seen that phrase pop up a lot in pop culture, even in non-Russian films.

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LOVE Anastasia.  Own the DVD, and there are two specific moments that never fail to give me chicken skin: the "Once Upon A December" sequence where her dress changes and she dances with her dad, and the moment where her grandmother gives her the crown.



We've all got those flicks that cut through the grown up cynicism and weariness and touch the heart of us, don't we.

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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post

 

overall it's the need in animation to simplify, codify and turn most characters into overtly-simplistic templates that makes it profoundly unsuited to tackle history.


There is no such need. Lazy storytellers and lazy animators simplify and reduce animation. Also, I can't even think of many more animated films that tackle historical subjects (Pocahontas... uhhhh...), so it's really mostly untried ground for the form.

 

Wait, no, I've got one! Persepolis. BOOM.

 

I'm not too keen on motion pictures doing the same thing - especially when they completely rewrite history from the ground up - but they're not as bound to their limitations like modern mainstream animation is.

 

This makes no sense to me. If anything, animation has FEWER limitations than live-action. It's way easier to recreate a period when you don't have to expend a budget on making real props, costumes, sets, and such.

 

EDIT: I'm being a bit combative. You're talking about MAINSTREAM animation, and in that you are pretty much completely right.

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 The hell does that even mean, anyway? I've seen that phrase pop up a lot in pop culture, even in non-Russian films.



It's Russian for goodbye.

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EDIT: I'm being a bit combative. You're talking about MAINSTREAM animation, and in that you are pretty much completely right.



That was gonna be my reply but you got there first.

 

I adore animation as an artform, always have, my issues arise with a lot of mainstream corporate american shit - but then I have an issue with modern so-called 'mainstream family entertainment' in general.

 

To quote Bill Hicks "When did mediocrity and banality become a good image for your children?"

post #21 of 31

Even the most casual phrases sound badass in Russian.

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It's Russian for goodbye.


Ah. So, it's basically the Russian equivalent to a clever one-liner after offing a bad guy.... AWESOME!

 

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And we seem to have had this conversation before, RD, but I think there's a lot more to mainstream animation than most people give it credit for. Sure, there's a lot of banal or mediocre stuff, but even the popular stuff can be just as meaningful (as we've seen here and in the Disney thread).

 

There's also loads of great TV animation, much of it "mainstream". Although yes, when it comes to mainstream "family entertainment" in general, there's a lot of bad shit. The Disney Channel seems to thrive on it right now.

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Even the most casual phrases sound badass in Russian.



Archie would agree...

 

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Also, this is another one like Prince of Egypt where I'm surprised nobody snapped up the rights to make a stage musical. Does Disney just have that much of a stranglehold?

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Also, this is another one like Prince of Egypt where I'm surprised nobody snapped up the rights to make a stage musical. Does Disney just have that much of a stranglehold?



I'm guessing it has nothing to do with Disney at all and is the exact same reason the divine PoE will never get the stage musical treatment.

 

Neither made very much money.

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Well, they did *fine* by my recollection, they just weren't mega-hits.

 

Man, I should start some crappy animated movie threads or something to see if my animated thread mojo keeps up...

 

One last interesting little tidbit: This is one of the few animated feature films done in CinemaScope, albeit a modernized version.

post #28 of 31

I was actually studying Russian history in high school and the end of the Tsar's when I took my little sister to see this without knowing the story at all.

 

There's certainly degrees of offence when taking liberties with historical stories. But I think suggesting that the revolution in Russia was caused by evil spirits summoned by a wizard bewitching the people, instead of, you know, the starvation and exploitation of the workers, protesters being shot by the army and the general obliviousness of the royal family, is a little beyond the pale.

 

But then again I get antsy at any movie (or book) that paints a monarchy family as hard done by and misunderstood. Must by the Irish blood in me.

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Well, to be fair it does briefly say that there was already discontent in Russia, but Rasputin's curse amplified it.

 

Honestly, I think it all comes down to story. Pocahontas used its historical inaccuracy to preach at us, whereas Anastasia doesn't really pass judgment on the Czar or his politics; no matter what you think, a little girl losing her family to terrible violence is awful.

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Well, to be fair it does briefly say that there was already discontent in Russia, but Rasputin's curse amplified it.

 

Honestly, I think it all comes down to story. Pocahontas used its historical inaccuracy to preach at us, whereas Anastasia doesn't really pass judgment on the Czar or his politics; no matter what you think, a little girl losing her family to terrible violence is awful.



No question that the Bolshevik's were brutal murdering bastards who didn't hold back when it came to gunning down entire families of the nobility, right down to bashing babies heads against walls. But any childrens film that waters down the real world grit of a situation gets a thumbs down from me. You don't need to show infanticide on screen, but you also don't need to avoid the fact the difference between the haves and have nots is sometimes all it takes for a bit of bloodshed. In my experience, having at one stage been a kid and making kids of my own with the assistance of a woman, talking down to them is a quick way to lose their interest.

 

Overall I think Anastasia did okay with the seedier aspects of the history, but the sight of the green spirits urging on the revolutionaries still irks me. And laying the whole thing at Rasputin's feet perpetuates so many inaccuracies about the guy.

 

After all, he was Russia's greatest love machine.

 

...no, Boney M anyone? Those crazy Russians?

 

post #31 of 31
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And it's not like the film is perfect; Dimitri's sudden appearance in the otherwise awesome final showdown suggests a cut scene, and there are some awfully big coincidences in the assemblage of our main players early on.

 

But hey, I can live with that as long as it's done well.

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