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No lockouts this year, the Giants end on a high note, disappointment in New England, lots of coaching changes, and debate/discussion of Vick/Favre has moved on to Peyton/Tebow.  Are you ready for some football?  Except you, Hank Williams, Jr.

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Martianman, I...am ready!  Free Agency starts...March 13th!  I hope some team other than...Miami, is desiring to...Pey...Ton's Of Greenbacks for the...Elder...MANN, in Archie's Bunker!  To me...RGIII aka Robert Griffin, is going to be one...Baylor Bear, that is skipping Hibernation to join the...NFL!  My top 3...Preferences for QB for Miami are...

1) Robert Griffin The Third (I do not care...whom Miami Trades, and How Many Draft Picks they have to give up)

2) Matt Flynn (he learned how to be an NFL QB under new Dolphin Headcoach Philbin!

3) Ryan Tannehill or any other rookie QB!

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I would guess that Miami will first try to get Flynn, similar to how Holmgren brought Hasselbeck over to Seattle when he left Green Bay.

 

What would Green Bay do with that 8th/9th (depending on coin toss) pick in the draft?  I would assume they'd use it for secondary or DLine help.

 

Also, don't the Bengals have 2 first rounders as well after the trade with the Raiders?

 

Let the speculation begin!

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I think it's either the Browns or the Skins who get RG3 and while I hope for the Skins to get him, I don't want them pull a Ricky Williams trade to get him.

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Yes, the Bengals have, I think, #17 and #22.  Lot of speculation they might try to trade up to get Richardson and complete their Triplets.

 

Lots of Bucs fans want them to draft Richardson, but I think it's been pretty well proven that drafting a back that high isn't worth the risk.  I think they likely go corner or receiver.  Although some think the Bucs will make a run at one of the free agent Jackson (Vincent or DeSean).  Me, I'm not sure either one is worth breaking the bank for.

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I seriously hope the Browns get RG3 but I like the kid, so I really hope he doesn't have to play for the Browns.

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Is this the year teams have to start spending 99% of their cap space? Or is that next year?

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Just hoping that the Vikings get their shit together this year. Last season was embarrassing.
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Originally Posted by DamnDirtyApe View Post

Is this the year teams have to start spending 99% of their cap space? Or is that next year?


2013.  Although there are a lot of 1 year free agents this year because of the lockout last year, and guys were just signing to get signed.  Desean Jackson needs to sign some contract somewhere, because I think he flat refuses to play well until he does.

 

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Martianman, If Matt Flynn costs more than just...Money, I hope Miami doesn't get him either!  If Miami couldn't get Flynn as an...Unrestricted Free Agent, he is not worth the gamble.  Then Miami should even consider...Trading Down, and then drafting...Ryan Tannehill, or Nick Foles, or Brock Osweiler or...someone in rounds...2-7 even!  They might as well just go with...Matt Moore for the year.  They are likely to miss the playoffs, as their offense is still pretty weak!

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I seriously hope the Browns get RG3 but I like the kid, so I really hope he doesn't have to play for the Browns.

 

I understand this completely, but as a Browns fan, it will be nice to enter a season with a glimmer of hope for the future. Our record won't be the best, but our losses will be more entertaining, so . . . that's . . . good.

 

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I understand this completely, but as a Browns fan, it will be nice to enter a season with a glimmer of hope for the future. Our record won't be the best, but our losses will be more entertaining, so . . . that's . . . good.

 



The problem is that once the season gets here, that glimmer of hope will vanish very quickly. I kind of love the Brown's fans ability to seriously think things might get better but, at the same time, be completely aware of the fact that they won't get better. It's so depressing it makes me smile.

 

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As a Colts fan this coming year is building to be one of great uncertainty, more so then last year. It's been so long since I've felt like that.

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Originally Posted by Martianman View Post

What would Green Bay do with that 8th/9th (depending on coin toss) pick in the draft?  I would assume they'd use it for secondary or DLine help.

 


Strong chance GB might only get the compensatory pick for Flynn when he leaves in FA. 

 

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It looks like the Bucs have hired Butch Davis to be their senior assistant for defense.  No one is really sure just what the hell that means, but I like the hire if it turns out to be true.

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MoonBaseNick, Well at least your team is going to...Draft a young QB with alot of...Luck!  It would be great to see someone like Luck succeed!  He seems to be the right guy to redo the Colts Offense with.

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So which big-time free-agent WR will the Jacksonville Jaguars sign, only to have him commit seppuku when half way through the season he's sitting on 14 catches for 201 yards and one TD thanks to Gabbert?

 

My money's on Dwayne Bowe.

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Originally Posted by tcjsavannah View Post

So which big-time free-agent WR will the Jacksonville Jaguars sign, only to have him commit seppuku when half way through the season he's sitting on 14 catches for 201 yards and one TD thanks to Gabbert?

 

My money's on Dwayne Bowe.



I think the only way Jacksonville gets any FA of note is by vastly overpaying to get them there. It's either that or draft some.

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All behold...THE MANNING FACE OF ALL NFL FRANCHISES!

 

http://daveartlocker.blogspot.com/2012/02/manning-face.html

 

My favorite:

 

BuccoMan2.jpg

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Originally Posted by tcjsavannah View Post

So which big-time free-agent WR will the Jacksonville Jaguars sign, only to have him commit seppuku when half way through the season he's sitting on 14 catches for 201 yards and one TD thanks to Gabbert?

 

My money's on Dwayne Bowe.


I'll be interested to see if the Chiefs let him walk. He can be quite good, but also disappears at the worst times and is something of a weirdo. I'd still like to see them keep him and Orton (release Cassel) and see how good an Orton/Charles/McCluster/Bowe/Breaston/Baldwin offense can be.

I THINK Brandon Lloyd is a FA as well, but I may be wrong.
 

 

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Originally Posted by Martianman View Post

All behold...THE MANNING FACE OF ALL NFL FRANCHISES!

 

http://daveartlocker.blogspot.com/2012/02/manning-face.html

 

My favorite:

 

BuccoMan2.jpg



ok, those are pretty hilarious. The Manning -face Dolphin cracked me up.

 

With Harbaugh reiterating that "Alex Smith is our guy" and no one with the 49ers being smart enough to contradict him, I am now left to talking myself into how much better off they are as a perennial playoff contender but never actually winning anything. Yay?

 

Now my only hope is that someone else makes Smith a huge free-agent offer. C'mon dumb NFL GMs, don't let me down!

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Originally Posted by Dan Baker View Post

The problem is that once the season gets here, that glimmer of hope will vanish very quickly. I kind of love the Brown's fans ability to seriously think things might get better but, at the same time, be completely aware of the fact that they won't get better. It's so depressing it makes me smile.

You're right, but during the offseason, at least I can remain inspired, gaining strength from my fellow Browns fans:

 

ae3598d7ea83426d2ca3f818b957f945.jpg

 

DAMMIT.

 

 

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Now with the Superbowl and sadly the NFL season over many sports fans would say that the NCAA Basketball Tourney is the next big sporting event they're looking forward to. Not me. For me its def. the NFL DRAFT!!! An event unto itself.  

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Originally Posted by Mangy View Post

You're right, but during the offseason, at least I can remain inspired, gaining strength from my fellow Browns fans:

 

ae3598d7ea83426d2ca3f818b957f945.jpg

 

DAMMIT.

 

 



I have to wonder what the Browns ever did to deserve such punishment.

 

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Now with the Superbowl and sadly the NFL season over many sports fans would say that the NCAA Basketball Tourney is the next big sporting event they're looking forward to. Not me. For me its def. the NFL DRAFT!!! An event unto itself.  



 The Draft just won't be the same without The Old Man trading six picks just so the Raiders can move up three spots to draft a wide reciever they could have gotten in the 4th round.

 

Hopefully the Skins pick up a second job, besides their Free Agent Crazy, and add Draft Crazy via trading the farm for RG3.  Otherwise, the Draft is just a weekend festival of Berman puns that were weak in '96.

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I think the Skins will trade up for RG3 but they won't have to give up a ton to get him. Trading this years first, next years fourth and two other picks. Like a third this year and a 2nd next or something like that. Remember, Manning and Rivers was traded on draft day and that was for 1 to 4, almost the same amount of spaces but with the Skins, it doesn't involve the number one pick.

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Originally Posted by thecallahan View Post

I think the Skins will trade up for RG3 but they won't have to give up a ton to get him. Trading this years first, next years fourth and two other picks. Like a third this year and a 2nd next or something like that. Remember, Manning and Rivers was traded on draft day and that was for 1 to 4, almost the same amount of spaces but with the Skins, it doesn't involve the number one pick.


The problem there is that the Rams can dangle that in front of the Skins just to make the Browns nervous.  If they switch spots with the Browns they probably still get the receiver they have their eyes on, and anything extra they get from the Browns is gravy.  If you trade down to the Redskins spot, you're probably not getting your #1 guy.
 

 

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I really hope Washington backs up the truck and unloads the Dan Snyder ca$h for Peyton. Then I can laugh as he overthrows Randy Moss and Moss stalks off the field and he's resigned to throwing 3-yard out routes to Anthony Armstrong.

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Seems like the 49ers are getting their new stadium and it should open in 2014: http://tinyurl.com/7hn4yx8

 

I wonder what this means for the Raiders, I remember them saying they'd be open to a shared stadium but that doesn't seem to be happening now so will they stay in Oakland or might they be the LA Raiders once more?

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Originally Posted by tcjsavannah View Post

I really hope Washington backs up the truck and unloads the Dan Snyder ca$h for Peyton. Then I can laugh as he overthrows Randy Moss and Moss stalks off the field and he's resigned to throwing 3-yard out routes to Anthony Armstrong.


Ugh.  This is all too plausible.  I'm really hoping the Skins try and trade up for RG3, but if they decide to go after Peyton, maybe they can grab one of those Colts receivers as well.  I think Wayne and Garcon are both FAs.  I'm worried that Peyton isn't going to be the same.  I'm also worried about the Skins in general, because Jesus Christ we are terrible.

 

At least I can feel good about the run game.  For now.

 

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Yikes.  I wouldn't want any part of Manning this year, if this article is to be believed:  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/02/15/peyton/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp

 

A fourth surgery?  Methinks it's time to retire, for your own safety.  There's a spot waiting for you at CBS/FOX/NBC/ESPN.

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God, how do the Colts even think about resigning him at this point? Even if he restructures his contract.

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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post

God, how do the Colts even think about resigning him at this point? Even if he restructures his contract.


When a team has built it's entire offense around the skills of one extraordinary quarterback's skills, what choice do they have? Three-plus years of substandard seasons while they retool? This last season demonstrated quite clearly that they are incapable of winning without Peyton. If they lose Manning for good, will they clean house completely and start from scratch? That way, they only have to endure a season or two of mediocrity,

 

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I still say that if I were the Colts, I'd seriously consider making a run at Matt Flynn then trading out of the #1 spot for a boatload of picks.  They need an influx of talent at multiple positions, whereas drafting Luck won't help their receiving corps, their offensive line, their run game, etc.

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Richard Dickson, The strategy seems sound, but...Miami drafted and signed more Offensive and Defensive Lineman, then quality skill position players and look how they turned out.  Miam...Still, needs a QB, and their Lines are not all that good either.  Indianapolis should Draft...QB Andrew Luck and some good offensive talent, and worry about the defense more in...2013!  

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

I still say that if I were the Colts, I'd seriously consider making a run at Matt Flynn then trading out of the #1 spot for a boatload of picks.  They need an influx of talent at multiple positions, whereas drafting Luck won't help their receiving corps, their offensive line, their run game, etc.



There are no more Herschel Walker type trades out there.  The formula's these guys would use makes it almost impossibe to trade.  They want too much.

 

 

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Richard Dickson, The strategy seems sound, but...Miami drafted and signed more Offensive and Defensive Lineman, then quality skill position players and look how they turned out.  Miam...Still, needs a QB, and their Lines are not all that good either.  Indianapolis should Draft...QB Andrew Luck and some good offensive talent, and worry about the defense more in...2013!  


Rumor is that since Sherman is the OC now, they may be looking at Tannehill in the draft.

 

 

I think the Colts are in a similar position they were with Manning in the '98 draft.  They need to admit that, draft Luck, and move forward with building a "new" team and let Manning go.  They got multiple playoff berths, 2 Super Bowl trips and 1 Super Bowl title out of him.  Ask Cleveland/Minnesota/etc. how happy they'd be with that result in a 12-13 year or so time period.

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It's going to be a two man booth for MNF come Sep. "Jaws" is out. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/ron-jaworski-removed-monday-night-football-181728512.html

 

I'd rather see them get rid of Gruden, I can appreciate the guy's passion but Jesus Christ is there ever a player on the field he doesn't think is like the greatest ever and praise endlessly. !!

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Martianman, I fully agree with Miami drafting QB Ryan Tannehill!  Now, if they could also draft a TE and Speedy WR, to go with Brandon Marshall, Davone Bess, and Brian Hartline, their receiving corps would be good to go!

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It's going to be a two man booth for MNF come Sep. "Jaws" is out. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/ron-jaworski-removed-monday-night-football-181728512.html

 

I'd rather see them get rid of Gruden, I can appreciate the guy's passion but Jesus Christ is there ever a player on the field he doesn't think is like the greatest ever and praise endlessly. !!

 

I seem to be in the minority on this, but I love Gruden.  Enthusiasm, goofiness, and inane babble, all dialed up to 11.  If only there was some way to get Madden up in the booth with him.  

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Gruden (to me) adds some great insight, but then tends to get a little too full of himself.  Surprised his arm doesn't hurt some nights for all the patting himself on the back that he does.

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Combine is almost over, Free Agency looms, and the draft is a scant few months away.  RGIII and Luck decide not to throw at the combine, but both still look impressive athletically.

 

The Chiefs may lose a draft pick due to comments Romeo Crennel has made in reference to Peyton Manning and Chad Henne playing for the Chiefs (whoops).  Chiefs also franchise Bowe, Pats franchise Welker, and the Cardinals will most likely franchise Calais Campbell.

 

Bucs may sign Mario Manningham, but skirt the tampering rules because his agent also has a client in the draft, therefore he's free to talk to the Bucs about the draftee...and I'm sure they never spoke about Manningham coming to Tampa.  But stuff like that happens all the time.  Manningham had already said he wanted to play for a warm weather club--which is somewhat interesting considering he was born in Ohio, played at Michigan in college and has been in NY for the past 4 years.  I guess he felt he was in a position to dictate terms now.

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Adam Schefter has all but confirmed that the Rams will trade the #2 pick. If a certain team wants RG3 bad enough St. Louis better ask for the moon!

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Is the No. 2 pick in this year's NFL draft worth two first round, one third round and one fifth round draft picks in a trade?

  •  
    40%
    Yes
  •  
    60%
    No 

 

 

 

 

I find those results a little surprising.  Then again, isn't next year's crop of quarterbacks supposed to be pretty good too?  Maybe it's not worth two first rounders, along with the lower picks.  But if I was the Rams that is the least I would settle for.                                                                                                                                                 


Edited by Bailey - 2/28/12 at 6:39pm
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The Redskins are surprisingly well under the cap, so the speculation I heard this morning on NFL radio was they'll try to make a play for RGIII, trade the picks, then use the $ in cap space they have to shore up the team with FAs.  Also, Cleveland already has two picks in the first round this year.  Although they're only into the 3rd year of McCoy, right?  Are they ready to move on that quickly?

 

Also, here's a fun fact for Raiders fans: Oakland is $25 million over the cap, and they have 2 picks in the draft--5th and 6th round picks.  McKenzie has an already tough job ahead of him.  At least they don't have to spend a lot of money for picks.

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Originally Posted by Martianman View Post

The Redskins are surprisingly well under the cap, so the speculation I heard this morning on NFL radio was they'll try to make a play for RGIII, trade the picks, then use the $ in cap space they have to shore up the team with FAs.  


Fingers crossed.  If they can make a play for RGIII, snag a big name WR out of FA (any chance the Saints let Colston go?), and patch up that o-line and secondary, we'll be in good shape.  I think.  I hope.

 

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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post

 

Is the No. 2 pick in this year's NFL draft worth two first round, one third round and one fifth round draft picks in a trade?

  •  
    40%
    Yes
  •  
    60%
    No 

 

I find those results a little surprising.  Then again, isn't next year's crop of quarterbacks supposed to be pretty good too?  Maybe it's not worth two first rounders, along with the lower picks.  But if I was the Rams that is the least I would settle for.                                                                                                                                                 


I'm always kinda sketchy about dropping the dime for a college player. 

 

 

Sure, he could be the next Peyton Manning. He could also be JaMarcus Russell (I certainly think RGIII is going to be closer to Manning than to Russell on that continuum)....or even if he's neither, what if you spent all that to get, I don't know, Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan - who don't suck, but if they had gone for that price, you'd look back and say "yeah, he never was worth what they gave up for him." 

 

 

Not to mention, if I were a GM, I'd be questioning "okay, is it better to give up all that to get RGIII, or is it better to get maybe a lesser  QB prospect in this or the next draft, while adding talent that helps him with a 1st, 3rd, and 5th round pick?" 

 

 

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Also, here's a fun fact for Raiders fans: Oakland is $25 million over the cap, and they have 2 picks in the draft--5th and 6th round picks.  McKenzie has an already tough job ahead of him.  At least they don't have to spend a lot of money for picks.


Well, if McKenzie was paying attention in GB, he learned from TT how to make sometimes-tough decisions to keep your cap under control. 

 

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If they can make a play for RGIII, snag a big name WR out of FA (any chance the Saints let Colston go?), and patch up that o-line and secondary, we'll be in good shape.  I think.  I hope.

 

 

Franchise QB, stud WR, O-line, and a secondary.  Throw in a pass rush and you've basically got every important element of a contending team.  I don't see how the Redskins will get all that done in one offseason.

 

As for Colston, there is the possibility he will be let go.  The Saints are currently trying to secure a deal for Brees, and people are starting to get anxious down here about how long it's taking.  From the talk, it sounds like Carl Nicks is their next priority, over Colston, and if they can get Brees' deal done they may use the franchise tag on the guard.  How much room will be left for Marques remains to be seen.

 

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More speculation about Brees is that they will franchise Nicks, let Brees perhaps test the waters, and he'll smartly sign back with New Orleans and retire a Saint.

 

Garcon turns down a deal from the Colts, which some folks point out as a dumb idea, but others are saying he's waiting to see where Peyton ends up...howevah--Reggie Wayne may also try and go that route (WR pun) as well.  The main contender for Manning right now is Arizona--they bring him in, cut Kolb, and hope they can get another Warner-type run from Peyton.  Can you imagine Fitz + Garcon/Wayne with even a halfway decent Manning?  That's a friggin offense to contend with once again.

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