2012-2013 NFL season - Page 3

It sucks to give up the two 1's but the last few years Shanahan and Allen have proven that they can find quality starters past the first. Hell, this past season 11 of their 12 picks from the last draft had quality starting time and played great to decent. I know that won't happen every year but this club has been dying for a quality QB for about 30 years now and if they believe in Griffin, hell yes you go all in!

Well, Jets fans, you're now hitched to the Mark Sanchez wagon for good.  My deepest condolences.

- if giving up 2 #1s sucks, what does giving up 3 #1s and a #2 do? 

 

- the club has been dying for a quality QB for under 10 yrs. It arguably hasn't really had a "franchise" QB since Jurgensen (depending on how you feel about Theisman), but they've had a parade of solid players - Brad Johnson was fine in 99-00 (and 17-10 as a starter), Brunell was OK enough in his stint there, and I feel that if Jason Campbell had gotten a fair shake he probably would've turned out OK. The franchise's problems IMO start farther up on the totem pole than QB. 

We didn't give up three 1's. We swapped 1's. And as for the decent past QB's, yeah, we had them but we also didn't have stability unlike now (watch Shanahan leave after next season, ugh). I thought Campbell was always decent but not lights out but his problem was dealing with a new OC/System every year.

Semantics - for player x, a team is giving up 3 #1s and a #2, is how I view it. 

 

I saw some people rattle off other situations where teams have done this for one player - GB for John Hadl back in the early 70s, the Herschel Walker trade, the Ricky Williams trade (trying to think of others) - and in general, they don't work out. Eric Dickerson to Indy looked worth it for about a season-and-a-half. 

 

The Bucs traded two first round picks in the same draft to the Jets for Keyshawn Johnson in 2000, and later traded two #1s and two #2s to the Raiders in the Gruden deal in 2002.  Short term, they worked out and got Tampa Bay a Super Bowl win, but long term?  That lack of new top-level talent killed them down the road.

Richard Dickson, Jon Gruden was unable to replace...QB Brad Johnson!  If you do not have a good to great QB, your team will not win many titles.  An Average QB could win a Super Bowl on a team with a terrific Defense, like either...The Ravens or The Bucs.

Martianman, Well The Raiders should have changed...Something, so Gruden wouldn't know which plays they were calling.  

Semantics aside it's still only 2 number 1's as they get the Rams number one in return. This is a calculated and well though out risk. It cold go great (god I hope so) or it could crash and burn. Hell Chicago gave up two 1's and something else for Cutler right?

Cutler, whatever you think of him, had proven to be a promising young QB who could play in the NFL. 

 

Griffin is the proverbial 2 birds in the bush (not to pick on him, but every draft pick is, really). 

So, the 49ers are likely passing on Peyton Manning, but are kicking the tires on Randy Moss. Gah.

 

No, that's not enough. Hold on...

 

GUUUUUUUUUUUUUH.

 

Most frivolous uses for a time machine: go back and stop DeBartelo from getting involved in riverboat gambling and thus losing the team.

Ugh.  Typical. 

On the bright side, we don't have to worry about squeezing a first rounder under the cap for the next two years, either! All part of the plan....

 

 

(Ugh.)

Great, now the Bucs are going to over-spend on Vincent Jackson without the Redskins around the grossly over-pay him.

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Actually, how does this work?  The more I read up on it, the less sense I make of it.  There was no CBA in 2010, so there was no binding agreement between owners in regards to spending.  But other NFL owners decided that this was an unfair advantage, and that the new CBA would adjust retroactively, so Jones and Snyder were warned about this.  But isn't agreeing on an informal cap like that considered collusion?

 

 

 

I would think the issue would be something like doing a contract where you pay a player, say, 40 million in the uncapped year, then 1 million a year for the next 4 capped years.

Dallas (and I guess Washington, but fuck them) got screwed. Whose to decide what contracts in the uncapped year aren't kosher? Seems way too arbitrary to me. Why did the players association agree to the penalty?

That's pretty much it.  And the lost cap space will be evenly distributed among all the remaining teams except the Saints and Raiders, who apparently pulled similar moves, just not as severely.  So that's an extra $1.6 million in cap space for 28 of the teams.

So, my guy who has a guy says that both teams are happily ignoring the "penalties" -- I think both have already released statements as such -- and proceeding into the market as normal, all ready to lawyer up if necessary. Because, neither team received anything written from the NFL on the matter, therefore it can't be enforced. If it comes in writing, Danny and Jerry have open and shut cases. (No evidence of genuine wrongdoing, and "Everyone didn't do it" is weak sauce.) The league was hoping to do this off the record. Roger, what the fuck were you thinking. If this is true, this should be his job.

 

Though i still like the idea of someone in the league office just fucking with Adam Schefter.

With free agency a few hours away, the league still hasn't sent anything in writing to Dallas or DC. What a clusterfuck.

The head of the NFL Management Council is the owner of the Giants.  Conspiracy!

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36923/cap-controversy-shows-nfl-at-its-worst

Jay Glazer just tweeted that the Bears have traded two 3rd round picks to the Dolphins for Brandon Marshall.  Let the games begin!

 

EDIT:  I'd heard Manning wasn't thrilled about playing with Marshall.  Preparations for his arrival in Miami?

Yes, yes and yes.  Bout motherfuckin time we spent on a WR.  9 seasons without a 1,000 yard receiver.  That's no way to win in this league.

Unbelieveable!  Miami Trades...Brandon Marshall?  The other receivers are...Solid but...Unspectacular!  After...QB, I think WR should be their priority in Free Agency and The Draft!

Pierre Garcon just posted on his Facebook page that he'll be signing with the Redskins.  That's give RGIII a nice speedy target.

 

EDIT:  And some of the comments are about as classy as you might imagine they'd be.

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Not too shabby.  Between him, Moss, and Fred Davis, RG3 should have plenty of solid receivers.

 

Also, Orton apparently visiting Dallas.  Tony Romo: Ouch!

Well the Bucs are coming strong out of the gate.  They've signed/are about to sign Vincent Jackson, LB Curtis Lofton from the Falcons, and LG Carl Nicks from the Saints.  And David Carr is visiting about possibly being the backup.  Hell, I'd be happy if we didn't do another thing after today, if all of that pans out.

Redskins are neck deep in the bargain bin it seems, trying to sign Eddie Royal and Josh Morgan as well.  The Hokie in me is ok with this (I wear my Deangelo Hall jersey with pride, despite his general bad-ness), but I dunno if I approve of this quantity over quality approach.    

And the Jags twiddle their thumbs. Come on, sign somebody. You know, other than your own damn punter.

Bears should be charged with theft in that trade.  About time we got a top tier WR.  Now get another WR and some line/LB help

 

Between the 49ers getting Moss and the Bears getting Marhsall, I don't know whether to be happy my teams got help at WR, or scared they got a couple of chemistry fucking divas.

And, of course, all the Bucs news was "premature," although they're deep in talks with Jackson, and they're the only visit Nicks has scheduled.

Marshal was diagnosed with Borderline personality disorder so his diva status is questionable.

 

I just meant it as shorthand for guys who give problems.  I'm sure Moss has his share of mental issues.

 

So I guess it's done.  The AFC West keeps getting weaker, which has to make Denver even more attractive for Peyton.

Jackson to the Bucs, five years, just under $56 million, $26 million guaranteed over the first two years.  Way for the Glazers to put the cheap label to be in spectacular fashion.

Have fun with Garcon. He's fast, and it's amazing yards after the catch, but the man has to catch the ball first. A #1 receiver he is not. And wow did the Redskins over pay for him.  I'm just happy that Reggie Wayne is back with the Colts. I guess Luck will have someone to throw it too.

*sigh*

 

For the last five years, Bucs fans have done nothing but complain that the team didn't spend on free agents, that the Glazers were cheap, that they only cared about Manchester United.  So yesterday, the team came strong out of the gate, went hard after the player they wanted, and signed Vincent Jackson to a huge contract.

 

And now Bucs fans are calling the morning show in Tampa complaining about how much money they gave him and comparing it to the Alvin Harper signing.

 

I'm convinced the Bucs have some of the worst fans in the NFL.

Apparently, Brandon Marshall was in a fight in a bar in NYC, just...2 days before being traded to Chicago.  This is a situation that...Bears, watching, as Chicago might want to cancel the trade.

Tampa Bay just signed CB Eric Wright away from the Lions, five-year deal, no financial terms yet.  If we can get the Nicks deal done, that's three veterans in areas where the team could really use some veteran leadership.  Huge off-season so far for the Bucs.

So the Chargers let Vincent Jackson AND Mike Tolbert walk? But signed Robert Meachem? Holy crap, what are they thinking?

Now if Manning just signs anywhere else BUT Denver....the Chiefs odds of winning the division keep getting better.

Turns out that Chicago and Miami knew of this and went forward with the trade, according to Chicago's GM.  Maybe the team believes Cutler and the new QB coach from Denver will be a positive influence on Marshall and keep him under control which they couldn't in Miami.  Whatever happens going forward this upcoming season in Chicago will be interesting.

Marshall's people released a statement that said that while there was an altercation at the night club he and his wife were at, the extent of their involvement was her getting hit with a beer bottle as they were trying to leave the club and pushing their way through the melee to get to their car.  So maybe the Bears believe/verified his version of events.