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post #701 of 3167
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post

Glad Tebow look bad as well.    He couldn't do it against scrubs so it should calm down those in his corner for atleast a week.

 

Have a feeling Rex Ryan will be fired after this year.  Sanchez(like Grossman) screwed his teams chances for a SB in back to back seasons.  The window for teams not from NE is short and the Jets has passed.

Agree.  I see Rex surviving this season, but next will be his last.  Luck looked good tonight, over covering well after those two int's.

post #702 of 3167

As you're aware they're not my team, but I think the Jets are screwed.  Ryan has made himself the focal point, which is never a good idea for a coach.  The Tebow mistake is throwing gasoline on a already raging fire.  I'd like to think both the owner and Ryan have learned some lessons about this train wreck, but I suppose we'll see.  Ryan needs to turn down the douche factor by a million and nobody should every sign Tebow.

post #703 of 3167

As I saw tonight, the Jets old back up QB was playing damn well for the Colts tonight.  

post #704 of 3167
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post

Glad Tebow look bad as well.    He couldn't do it against scrubs so it should calm down those in his corner for atleast a week.

 

Have a feeling Rex Ryan will be fired after this year.  Sanchez(like Grossman) screwed his teams chances for a SB in back to back seasons.  The window for teams not from NE is short and the Jets has passed.

 

You don't get Tim Tebow fans apparently, it wasn't his fault, he did everything he possibly could to elevate his teammates and they're the ones who let him down, thus he had a poor game.

post #705 of 3167

KC Chiefs' Tamba Hali suspended Week 1 vs Falcons for violating league's substance abuse policy. SIIIIIIIGH......

post #706 of 3167

London will be the Jaguars' "home away from home" for the next four years.

 

Not that I mind my season ticket price going down a bit, but to commit to four straight years seems a little odd. Khan is committed to try and grow the fan base beyond Northeast Florida, which I have to respect. I might even try to make one of those games, if the work schedule falls right.

post #707 of 3167

Okay, I know no one here gives a damn what he says, but yesterday Skip Bayless topped himself. On First Take, he was discussing the RG3 vs Kirk Cousins "QB controversy" (even though there isn't one), and he moaned how terrible this will be for RG3 because "white fans will root for the white QB".

Way to pull a "controversy" out of your ass, and put both of those QBs in a situation neither asked for.

post #708 of 3167
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Originally Posted by DamnDirtyApe View Post

Okay, I know no one here gives a damn what he says, but yesterday Skip Bayless topped himself. On First Take, he was discussing the RG3 vs Kirk Cousins "QB controversy" (even though there isn't one), and he moaned how terrible this will be for RG3 because "white fans will root for the white QB".

Way to pull a "controversy" out of your ass, and put both of those QBs in a situation neither asked for.

As Shutdown Corner pointed out:

 

 

 

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In Skip's case, he's referring to a previous idiocy, which he uttered on April 30, the first day he could pollute the airwaves after the Redskins had selected both Griffin and Cousins. Skip then on the Cousins pick:

"This just made me sick at my stomach. I have been obviously driving the RGIII bandwagon since about mid-season. And he didn't deserve this kind of pressure heaped on top of the obvious pressure that he will already feel as the No. 2 overall pick....This was a grandstand move by Mike Shanahan....The problem is, Kirk Cousins is more NFL ready right now than RGIII, who was a late bloomer....If Kirk Cousins has four or five big quarters in the exhibition games, all of the sudden you create a quarterback controversy that RGIII doesn't deserve [...]

[...] I'm going to bring this up. Obviously, Robert Griffin III is a black quarterback. And even though we've come a long, long way with black quarterbacks, and they have been consistently been taken high in the draft over the last 15 years, I'm not sure we've come all that far in protecting said black quarterback, publicly protecting. So now you've drafted another rookie who's not a black quarterback, and it sets up wrong for RGIII on a racial component level. I'm sorry. It just does."

In other words, Skip Bayless is outraged by a manufactured and racially-charged quarterback controversy that he himself created.

post #709 of 3167

Exactly, it's a non-issue and I have no idea why he'd even bring it up. Plus, I don't know why he thinks RG3 needs to be "publicly protected". He's a grown man.

post #710 of 3167

MJD's agent says he's pissed off about Khan's comments to him about the train leaving the station, and for him to get on it.

 

post #711 of 3167

Last I read MJD is wanting a trade. Is that still the case?

post #712 of 3167
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Originally Posted by DamnDirtyApe View Post

Okay, I know no one here gives a damn what he says, but yesterday Skip Bayless topped himself. On First Take, he was discussing the RG3 vs Kirk Cousins "QB controversy" (even though there isn't one), and he moaned how terrible this will be for RG3 because "white fans will root for the white QB".

Way to pull a "controversy" out of your ass, and put both of those QBs in a situation neither asked for.

Well, he can't really talk about the greatness of Tebow right now can he?

post #713 of 3167
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Originally Posted by tcjsavannah View Post

MJD's agent says he's pissed off about Khan's comments to him about the train leaving the station, and for him to get on it.

 

 

How do you feel about this whole thing, being a Jags fan and season ticket holder?  Is the new owner learning the hard way that this is how the "business" works in the NFL?

post #714 of 3167

Yeah, that's tough. I don't believe in paying BIG money to RBs, but MJD is insanely consistent, and maybe the most popular Jaguar ever? I think it'd be bad business to let him go somewhere else.

post #715 of 3167

When he signed that contract, he was in a time-share with Fred Taylor and got overpaid. The Jaguars have done that with several people, including Mike Thomas, who really didn't earn the extra cash, but the franchise felt like they had to do it to lock up younger players so they wouldn't chase money elsewhere.

 

All of a sudden, now that he's the NFL's leading rusher, he wants more when he already got more for a fat front-loaded contract.

 

It's a serious lapse in judgement on MJD's part. Yes, he's an important part of the team. But he's an important part of a team that just went 5-11 and has a new head coach and a new owner. His tactics would have probably worked if Jack Del Rio and Wayne Weaver were still in charge, but they aren't. As many have rightly pointed out, the Jaguars probably could go 5-11 again without him, so where's the incentive?

 

Would I like MJD to get his money? Yes. But I also know this - the way the Jaguars were going the last five or six years, something fundamental had to change with that organization. There's a couple more dysfunctional organizations out there, but if you take into account the national perception of the team moving, the horrible way in which personnel decisions were handled (read Leftwich and Garrard) and the basic apathy towards the city, there really is nowhere to go but up. I still get angry when national media picks on the Jaguars because they do it out of laziness and don't actually research the situations. But where is their incentive to? It's not like phone lines are lighting up with angry Jacksonville fans. We're an easy target with little risk involved.

 

I may not agree with all that Khan is doing (the four-year committment to London still miffs me) but I respect that he's doing what he feels like he has to do in order to make the Jaguars better on the field and off.

post #716 of 3167
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I pretty much agree with you, even being an outsider to the situation, but still being geographically close enough to understand some of what's happening.  I think the "Train's leaving the station with or without you" comment was probably a bit much, but I admired the balls to say that to arguably the best and most popular player on your team.  And you're definitely right in that, if this were last year, he probably would have gotten paid no questions asked.  But with a new coach and ownership, MJD is in a difficult position.  I even read this morning that after the "trade me" comment, now he's saying that he's ready to work with the team to get signed.  And that's the thing--I'm sure Jax wants to sign him and pay him...but he's also bound to his current contract.  Which another fact in general that amazes me--how many guys just decide, "Fuck this current contract shit...I'm holding out for more money."  I'd love to try that at work.  "I'm not coming in until you decide to pay me more money."

post #717 of 3167

The real interesting part in all of this is that 60 Minutes has been in town all week filming and interviewing Khan. I can't wait to see how that story turns out. Because, you know how 60 Minutes loves a feel-good inspiring story.

post #718 of 3167
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Originally Posted by tcjsavannah View Post

When he signed that contract, he was in a time-share with Fred Taylor and got overpaid. The Jaguars have done that with several people, including Mike Thomas, who really didn't earn the extra cash, but the franchise felt like they had to do it to lock up younger players so they wouldn't chase money elsewhere.

 

All of a sudden, now that he's the NFL's leading rusher, he wants more when he already got more for a fat front-loaded contract.

 

 

That sounds like a horrible business practice by the Jags.  Overpay a RB so they don't go elsewhere, and then hope that they realize that you gave them more cash and don't ask for more on the back end?  If he's good enough to be a franchise back you cut the old franchise back and give the money to the new guy.  If you're front loading a contract you're asking for trouble, and they found it.

post #719 of 3167

Thing is, if the Jags cave to MJD, they're telling all the other players that holding out will work.

 

Look at it this way:  the Jags had MJD all last season and still went 5-11.  How much worse are they going to be without him?  And how much better will they be without all that money tied up in him and available to improve elsewhere?

post #720 of 3167
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Originally Posted by A-Pathetic View Post

 

That sounds like a horrible business practice by the Jags.  Overpay a RB so they don't go elsewhere, and then hope that they realize that you gave them more cash and don't ask for more on the back end?  If he's good enough to be a franchise back you cut the old franchise back and give the money to the new guy.  If you're front loading a contract you're asking for trouble, and they found it.

 

It was and still is. There was a prevailing opinion that you had to overpay people to entice/keep them in Jacksonville because, hey, you're Jacksonville. Khan obviously wants to break away from that. He wants to build a bigger fan base (hence the London games). He put a ton of $$ into the locker rooms which are as state-of-the-art as it gets right now in the NFL. If you do enough of those things, then you don't have to overpay to attract players. People will want to come to be a part of something.

 

I love Wayne Weaver to death and am always thankful that he brought an NFL team to my hometown, but he probably just wasn't cutthroat enough to be a good NFL owner.

post #721 of 3167
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Looks like Mike Wallace is finally going to report to the Steelers this weekend.  Methinks someone saw Antonio Brown stepping in just about seamlessly and re-thought their hold-out decision.  And if you check the history of the organization, especially recently, they don't exactly cotton to hold-outs.  Says my old west friend.

post #722 of 3167

I think a player has to report before the final pre-season game in order to avoid not getting paid too.

post #723 of 3167
Thread Starter 

Funny how not getting paid has that kind of effect.  And I noticed that MJD has suddenly started saying, "We'll get this worked out."

post #724 of 3167

If he doesn't show up by the Tuesday after Week 10 he won't be allowed to play anywhere in 2012 and he'll lose credit for an accrued season, so he'll still have 2 years left on his contract.

 

Fact is a running back, particularly one aging into his later 20's and beyond, simply has no leverage in the modern NFL.

post #725 of 3167

Not to mention he still owes in the fines.. although the way it usually works, if the player reports without missing any regular season game time, those fines magically disappear.

 

I think the last I saw, his current fine tally is up to $900,000.

post #726 of 3167

The NFL can kindly go fuck itself for not broadcasting the Packers v Bengals game live this evening.  NFL Network was apparently busy broadcasting Shit Nobody Watches.

post #727 of 3167

kernel, NFL Network airs...All Preseason games!  The Dolphins were shown on tape so far at...7: 30 am Sunday week 1, 12 midnight Fri/Sat week 2, and now 10 am this Sunday week 3.  Check the schedule and dvr it if you have to.

post #728 of 3167

I watched a little bit of Hard Knocks last night and I have to say - Matt Moore seems like kind of a douchebag.

post #729 of 3167

"1-2-3..Get Better!"    *LOL*
 

post #730 of 3167
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Originally Posted by kernel View Post

The NFL can kindly go fuck itself for not broadcasting the Packers v Bengals game live this evening.  NFL Network was apparently busy broadcasting Shit Nobody Watches.

 

They do that so you'll have to buy the preseason package on NFL.com if you want to see all the games live.

post #731 of 3167
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Originally Posted by fuzzy dunlop View Post

I watched a little bit of Hard Knocks last night and I have to say - Matt Moore seems like kind of a douchebag.

 

Ha! He was obviously pissed when they named Tannehill the starter, but what the hell did he expect?

post #732 of 3167

I didn't catch that episode, but I watched the first two...was Chad Johnson always that much of a sociopathic douchebag? I always thought he was a goof, albeit a lighthearted one, but he seemed weirdly hostile.

 

Watched the Titans game last night. I really question Jake Locker. He has the ability to progress through his reads and find the open man, but his form and accuracy are both lousy. It could be a long year in Nashville.

 

Also, the Chris Berman-Trent Dilfer announcing team was insufferable. Berman actually seemed subdued compared to Dilfer's nonstop bloviating. Dilfer has Herm Edwards Syndrome, where everything is said loudly and emphatically, and hopefully the viewer won't notice that what he's saying makes no sense.

post #733 of 3167
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I checked in a few times--Berman sounded like he was trying to lengthen out highlight commentary to a full game, where not every play is a 37-yard gain.

post #734 of 3167
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Originally Posted by Mangy View Post

I didn't catch that episode, but I watched the first two...was Chad Johnson always that much of a sociopathic douchebag? I always thought he was a goof, albeit a lighthearted one, but he seemed weirdly hostile.

 

 

He's always seemed oddly hostile to me. I don't know what it is about the WR position in general? It's just populated with thin skinned divas with emotional problems.

post #735 of 3167
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Originally Posted by DamnDirtyApe View Post

 

He's always seemed oddly hostile to me. I don't know what it is about the WR position in general? It's just populated with thin skinned divas with emotional problems.

Answer - WRs are all the guys who were fast and athletic but not good enough at basketball. 

post #736 of 3167

Lots of moves today:

 

-- The Seahawks released TO

 

-- The Vikings traded QB Tarvaris Jackson to the Bills for a draft pick

 

-- The Ravens cut kicker Billy Cundiff

 

-- Houston kicker Randy Bullock is out for the season with a groin injury

post #737 of 3167

Richard Dickson, One more move.  Miami trades CB Vonte Davis to Indianapolis, for the Colts...2nd Rd Pick, and a conditional late round pick!

 

MoonBaseNick, Congratulations, your team has acquired a CB, that gets...Burned so often, his nickname could be...Toast!

post #738 of 3167
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

Lots of moves today:

 

-- The Vikings traded QB Tarvaris Jackson to the Bills for a draft pick

 

 

I was confused a minute there--the Seahawks actually traded Jackson to the Bills.  The Vikings sent him to Seattle last year, in Pete Carroll's earliest attempts to try and find a QB.  Which means they'll probably trade Matt Flynn to the Jets next year.

post #739 of 3167

Especially now that they've named Russell Wilson the starter for Week 1.

post #740 of 3167
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Originally Posted by Martianman View Post

I was confused a minute there--the Seahawks actually traded Jackson to the Bills.  The Vikings sent him to Seattle last year, in Pete Carroll's earliest attempts to try and find a QB.  Which means they'll probably trade Matt Flynn to the Jets next year.

Why not trade Tebow and 4th rounder for Flynn this year?
post #741 of 3167
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My pitch: a new Odd Couple show with Tim Tebow and TO.  A super nice guy with mediocre football skills paired with a great football player who's possibly insane.  Call it "TebOwens".  

 

With occasional special guest star Chad Ochocinco Johnson.

post #742 of 3167

NFL replacement refs are a lock for at least Week 1. This will suck...

post #743 of 3167

DamnDirtyApe, I am so tired of hearing about this.  I say, let the...Replacement Refs become the...Permament Refs, and say...goodbye to the others.  They will be fine in time.

post #744 of 3167

I agree. I just want it all to be settled one way or the other. I just don't want to watch meaningful football games, officialed by guys who don't even know if they'll have the job next week.

post #745 of 3167
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Originally Posted by duke fleed View Post

DamnDirtyApe, I am so tired of hearing about this.  I say, let the...Replacement Refs become the...Permament Refs, and say...goodbye to the others.  They will be fine in time.

That's fine if your team is the Dolphns and they will suck for the next few years, but the teams with a shot are in trouble.  There was a holding call in a Bears game week 1 and it was a 17 yard penalty.  No joke.  These guys don't know the rules and can't lean them in time.

 

Football makes billions.  There aren't that many refs.  How much can it possibly cost?

post #746 of 3167

Anyawatchin Angel, All Refs make mistakes.  I don't think there are too many good ones.  I have no problem having all the replacement refs become regular ones.  I mean for...All Games!

post #747 of 3167

I gotta disagree with you Duke, that's just playing into common perception and the emotional stereotype about refs.  The fact is, like any other profession, the guys at the top go through a lot more training and a more thorough selection process that finds the best people.  Sure they all make mistakes, but NFL refs are a markedly higher caliber than non.

post #748 of 3167
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Originally Posted by kernel View Post

I gotta disagree with you Duke, that's just playing into common perception and the emotional stereotype about refs.  The fact is, like any other profession, the guys at the top go through a lot more training and a more thorough selection process that finds the best people.  Sure they all make mistakes, but NFL refs are a markedly higher caliber than non.

Absolutely. Doug Farrar noted that with the college season starting back up, we're not getting college refs, we're getting refs that coached in small minor-league football leagues (including the Lingerie Football League.) This is like MLB refs being replaced with Single-A and AA refs.  There are more than enough examples from the preseason to know that games are going to be longer, flow less smoothly, and players will be less safe with this incompetence on the field.

post #749 of 3167

Does this mean the annual ref gun show competition is off?  We are going to get refs that don't look like they are taking a break from body building competitions.

post #750 of 3167
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Originally Posted by jahosive View Post

Does this mean the annual ref gun show competition is off?  We are going to get refs that don't look like they are taking a break from body building competitions.

I'm confident that Ed Hochuli is currently dead-lifting in his weight room while practicing his needlessly long-winded explanations.

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