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Establishing a Character is Evil

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Every movie involves conflict. The majority of movies have that conflict transpire between opposing sides, personified in the protagonist and the antagonist. Generally this is oversimplified as the hero and the villain, but that's not always true. Sometimes the conflict is simply between characters that have conflicting interests (ex. Indiana Jones and Belloq in Raiders of the Lost Ark). 

 

More often than not, however, the antagonist is old fashioned evil. Upon the introduction of the character, an effective filmmaker will very quickly venture to establish that the villain is evil through their actions.

 

For example, one of the first things Grand Moff Tarkin does in Star Wars is promise to spare Alderaan if Leia reveals the location of the rebel base. After she's blurted out a (false) name, Tarkin orders the Death Star to blow up Alderaan anyway! There's no indication that Tarkin was aware of Leia's lie; he's just a cruel son of a bitch. 

 

Contrast that with General Grievous in Revenge of the Sith, who never commits an onscreen, blatant act of evil the entire movie. He's described as being a killer of Jedi, and shows off light sabers he's stolen off the bodies of his victims, but never actually kills anyone directly the entire movie. 

 

So what are the best and worst examples of film shorthand for establishing a character's EEEEEEEEEEEEvil ways?

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-Patrick Bateman stomping on the dog in American Psycho

-Clarence "Do you fly, Bobby?" in Robocop

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Someone needs to put that image on T-shirts, posters and a giant billboard in Times Square.

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Sato in BLACK RAIN. When he comes on the scene, he has an arrogant swagger and talks shit. After getting a threat, he slits the throat of the guy in the middle of a restaurant. There's little doubt at this point that this guy is evil.

Zagon in ABOVE THE LAW. When you first meet him, he's torturing a guy. He's about ready to cut off the guy's feet when we leave him. Meet the bas guy.
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Man, Cobra Commander looks buff.

 

The first thing The Man in Black does in Halloween 5 is kick a dog. That is a bad movie.

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"Just going up for a quick chat with Hans Gruber. What could go wrong?"

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Michael Ironside in SCANNERS. He blows up a guy's head in his first scene.

Actually, all that you really need to do to ever establish that a guy is evil is cast Michael Ironside, Mark Strong, or Billy Drago in the role.
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I watched the superb 13 ASSASSINS recently and commented to a friend that the villain in the movie is one of the most despicable I've seen in some time. Only ten minutes in and the audience is presented with not one but two atrocious acts committed by Naritsugu; the eventual target of the movie's titular assassins.

 

As if these weren't enough to convince the audience that this guy is evil (and I should mention - without spoiling anything for those yet to see this masterpiece - that the second act is probably one of the most vile things you can do to another human being), we are then shown how Naritsugu is currently passing his time. Yep, he's tied up a family and is using them as target practice with a bow and arrow. Surely he's not going to shoot that little crying boy, right?

 

Oh.

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Henry Fonda in his first appearance in Once Upon A Time In the West!

 

and...

 

Willem Dafoe... for looking and sounding like Williem Dafoe.

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Anytime a character is seen beating on someone (girl, minority) or on something (animal, especially a cute animal) is the ultimate way to shorthand their negative nature. When you first see the helicopter taking pot shots at the dog in The Thing, you're thinking 'Those motherfuckers!' So what if they happen to be right? Whatever. Assholes.

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Willem Dafoe... for looking and sounding like Williem Dafoe.


You mean the guy that played Jesus?

 

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Never forget.

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Anytime a character is seen beating on someone (girl, minority) or on something (animal, especially a cute animal) is the ultimate way to shorthand their negative nature. When you first see the helicopter taking pot shots at the dog in The Thing, you're thinking 'Those motherfuckers!' So what if they happen to be right? Whatever. Assholes.



Until you realize that the Thing got in there first by consuming the dog in the first place.

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That, or if you understand Norwegian.

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It's a great reversal. These guys are assholes for shooting at that dog, only to later go, maybe we should have let him kill that dog. Yeah, it's a bad example. I'm hungover still.

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Mark Rydell as the mob kingpin in Altman's The Long Goodbye has one of the best "Oh shit...this guy is EVIL" character moments ever filmed.

 

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Marty Augustine: [to Joanne] Look at that face. Is that a face for a magazine cover? The profile. You're beautiful, and I love you. I sleep with a lot of women; I make love to you. The single most important person in my life, next to my family. Is that right, Pepe? Huh?


[smashes a coke bottle on her face]


Get her out of here! [to Marlowe] Now, that's someone I love! And you I don't even like! You got an assignment, cheapie: find my money!

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How about Anton Chigurh? His first solid scene is choking a cop to death while his wrists spray blood all over the floor and he just makes a huffing, puffing crazy face. Then he pretty much goes right to  using a captive bolt gun on some chump motorist. Not to mention the coin tosses or the bird shot. Rough, evil, sick bastard. 

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It's a great reversal. These guys are assholes for shooting at that dog, only to later go, maybe we should have let him kill that dog. Yeah, it's a bad example. I'm hungover still.



Or, not if you saw the prequel first, as God and John Carpenter intended.

 

Back on topic, one of the worst might be the Decepticons getting mutilated during the beginning of Transformers 2.  Until told otherwise, it looks like the Autobots are the real bad guys.

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Michael Wincott and Bai Ling in THE CROW. They've fucked a girl to death and Bai Ling is going to cut out her eyes.
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Alex and his droogs in A CLOCKWORK ORANGE. The entire first half hour of the film is devoted to showing the sheer glee that they feel while they enjoy a pleasant evening of ultra violence.
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Henry Fonda in his first appearance in Once Upon A Time In the West!

 

and...

 

Willem Dafoe... for looking and sounding like Williem Dafoe.


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Even if he's a good guy... he's a bad guy!

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"Kills somebody" seems too easy.  I think this topic is more interesting if it's about non-murderous ways to make a first impression still scream "Evil! Evil!  Impolite and EEEvil!!!"

 

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A brilliant scene played slowly & deliberately. It establishes how, without saying a word, Thulsa Doom has at his behest all the time in the world to do whatever he wants with this woman. It's like staring into the abyss & the audience's need for the vengeance that's born from this moment drives the momentum of the entire film.


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The Transformers movies.

 

Decepticons must be bad because they have DECEPT in their names!  Aside from that, the 2nd movie does almost nothing to establish that they're the bad guys.  It's the Autobots that end up looking like the oppressive psychos the Decepticons are supposed to be.

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Worst - every single thing Billy Zane does in Titanic.  He really should have a moustache and be twirling it all the time, it's so one note and cartoonish, to be capped by "no, this is definitely my child".

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"Breaking News: Bad Guy Kills An Employee Who Disappointed Him To Make A Point"

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At first, we thought he was just a big, ol' jerk...

 

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...oh shit!

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As if the costume wasn't enough of an indication:

 

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Norman Stansfield taking out Matilda's family is a tad evil.

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Norman Stansfield taking out Matilda's family is a tad evil.



I think everyone would agree with that.

 

Yes, you heard me.

 

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The missing "that" confuses me every time I look at this thread title.

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There is surely no profession in all of moviedom that is as synonymous with villainy and evil as... property developer.

Need a hate figure in a hurry? No problem, simply threaten your protagonists home/church/rec centre with foreclosure as part as some cold bastards scheme to earn a genuine living. Throw in some thugs to smash up the place beforehand and boom, insta-outrage for the audience.
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Willem Dafoe... for looking and sounding like Williem Dafoe.


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You Only Live Twice

 

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Moonraker

 

In BOND films, you always know the evil has been turned up to 11 when the villain starts killing off women.

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Terminator 2 is an interesting case in that it plays with the concept of the villain's introduction; keeping you guessing whether Arnie and Robert Patrick will be the villain or the saviour figure of the movie.
Once the movie lays its cards on the table - Arnie's the good guy! - it doesn't waste much time in portraying the evilness of the T1000....he kills John Connor's step parents and his dog, and he bestows a real mindfuck of a death on the hospital orderly...


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...stabbed in the eye by your doppelganger!

And then of course we're shown that T800 is actually a charming guy.
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Kermit: "All I can see are millions of frogs with tiny crutches."

 

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"Maniacal laugh... maniacal laugh..." 

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I will add that one of the most effective ways to paint your character as an evil son of a bitch is to have him renege on a deal. A deal is a deal. 

 

 

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MAD MAX BEYOND THUNDERDOME kinda negates that argument.
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There is surely no profession in all of moviedom that is as synonymous with villainy and evil as... property developer.
Need a hate figure in a hurry? No problem, simply threaten your protagonists home/church/rec centre with foreclosure as part as some cold bastards scheme to earn a genuine living. Throw in some thugs to smash up the place beforehand and boom, insta-outrage for the audience.


Rapists in movies have a better reputation than property developers.  

 

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What rapists do is... 'honest.'

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These days, it's really simple -- just show someone smoking a cigarette. There's your bad guy.

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Shout out to Toy Story 3 for layering a pretty nuanced villian in Lotso the evil bear.  He doesn't just do a plot-convenient 'what a twist?!?!' change of heart halfway through, nor is he introduced to us as evil right away but that our characters have yet to learn. His evil is revealed gradually and organically as part of the story and in contrast to our heroes, culminating in ever-increasing evilness that really drives the story.  Well done, Pixar.  

 

Also, a terrible example would be Xander Berkeley's turncoat secret service agent in 'Air Force One'. They never explain why he is bad, or what motivates him to turn against the (unrealistically) admirable and honest president whom everyone else loves and would gladly die for.  They don't even give a passing backstory connection between him and Gary Oldman (who you know is evil just by the way he carries himself and chews all the scenery).  It's completely there to get the plot going and to not even attempt to explain it really annoys me in that movie, which is otherwise a pretty solid action movie (sue me. haters gonna hate).  If you're going to rip off die hard, at least rip the part about the villians having cool and easily understandable motivations.  As it stands, that guy just exists to kill some people at the beginning, kill WIlliam H Macy at the end in case you forgot he was bad, and to die in a terrible explosion of Pentium III-level CGI.

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MAD MAX BEYOND THUNDERDOME kinda negates that argument.


That's the exception that proves the rule! 

 

I would say Darth "I've altered the deal" Vader is pretty much the evil standard bearer. 

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Henry Fonda in his first appearance in Once Upon A Time In the West!

 

 

"Now that you've called me by name."

 

Was gonna submit this one myself before I read your post, but yeah, you win the thread. Such an elegant way of establishing the evil. Chills to the fucking core.

 

 

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Willem Dafoe... for looking and sounding like Williem Dafoe.


 

Yes.

 

Adding the intros to these two:

 

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Just one look each is enough to establish that they ooze evil and violence (and of course evilness may be magnified tenfold by optional John Woo slo mo)

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