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post #51 of 176
Drax from Moonraker. Fantastic villain in one of the worst 5 Bond movies.
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Daredevil is a leaden, terrible film that tries to do film noir with a Linkin Park soundtrack, but you can't deny Colin Farrell is having fun as Bullseye. 

 

Likewise, every "good guy" in Green Lantern is far less interesting than either the endearingly pathetic Hector Hammond or Mark Strong's badass Sinestro. In the latter case, it's almost like you're watching a wild action film about a stoic, noble Green Lantern, as told from the perspective of the dumbass comic relief in Hal Jordan - like if Return of the Jedi had an Ewok as the protagonist.

post #53 of 176
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The best BOND villain of the 1980s appeared in the worst BOND film of all time.


 

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Drax from Moonraker. Fantastic villain in one of the worst 5 Bond movies.

 


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post #54 of 176
He was the ONLY thing good about LICENSE TO KILL.
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He was the ONLY thing good about LICENSE TO KILL.


Him and Dalton.

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Originally Posted by Art Decade View Post

Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back is far from terrible, dude.

 

"Fuck beans!  That was them wasn't it?"

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Him and Dalton.

I disagree...I think even Dalton was bad in this one. The script did him no favors, though.

For the record, I thought that Dalton was great in THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, and I wish he could have redeemed his own personal QOS with a third go round.
post #58 of 176

You know who did great as the bad guy in one of the biggest pieces of shit of the 90s? Kenneth Branagh in WILD WILD WEST. It's hammy, OTT delirium, but coming from someone as accomplished as Branagh that shit is like exquisitely aged proscuttio. It's the spiritual successor to Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg, and I wish he'd gotten a much better set of heroes to terrorise.

post #59 of 176

Agreed. Thing is, Smith and Kline were well cast in their parts, same as Branagh, but the whole movie is such an exercise in being a shitstorm. Branagh's the villain so he gets more scenery to chew, which is why he gets excused from the public lashings that production deserves.

 

Another actor who realized what kind of movie he was in, said fuck it, and went for broke, thus elevating his esteem in my eyes and making the movie at least entertainingly terrible:

 

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post #60 of 176

I think Kline is a millstone around the film's neck, personally. He seems hellbent on being "the funny one" of the central partnership, and there's an arrogance to the performance which I think is supposed to be endearing but just ends up grating.

 

Agreed with Leguizamo, though. I still can't believe Martin Sheen was in that clusterfuck. THE WEST WING cam ealong just in the nick of time for his career.

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I disagree...


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post #62 of 176

I LOVED them both as a young lad, but rewatching Billy Madison or Happy Gilmore now would be a slog if it weren't for the terrific sleaze of Bradley Whitford and Christopher McDonald (and Carl Weathers, but he's not a villain).  

post #63 of 176

Tilda Swinton in that terrible Hellblazer film

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The definition of a good villain in a bad film -- Spacey's Lex Luthor didn't even get a final confrontation with Superman.

 

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Balls of Fury wasn't super terrible, but it certainly wasn't particularly memorable, other than Walken's bad guy, Feng.

 

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Oldman as a purple velvet-bedecked crusading priest Father Solomon in Red Riding Hood. 

post #65 of 176

Peter Stormare is pretty awesome in Constantine as well.

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Tilda Swinton in that terrible Hellblazer film



 Hmmm....I actually am quite fond of "Constantine" (although I know nothing about "Hellblazer"). If I was going to pick a villain from that one, it'd definitely be Peter Stormare's creepfest portrayal of Satan.

I'd take Tilda Swinton as the White Witch in "The Chronicles of Narnia", though.

post #67 of 176

Bond film villains shouldn't count in this thread, they're pretty much ever the only good things about those terrible fucking movies.

post #68 of 176

Sphere is a clusterfuck, but Sam Jackson is hilarious in it.

 

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 Hmmm....I actually am quite fond of "Constantine" (although I know nothing about "Hellblazer"). If I was going to pick a villain from that one, it'd definitely be Peter Stormare's creepfest portrayal of Satan.



Constantine is like the film version of High Fidelity: the Americanization of the property works far better than it ought to (and there are some runs of the comic that are actually inferior to the film). Granted, Cusack feels closer to his original model than Keanu does, but, for me, both work in their respective films.

 

Oldman and Walken sort of define this category for me (over the years, they've been the best part of dull and/or shitty films more often than they've been good in good films).

 

John Hurt is pretty great in Jake Speed (well, it's John Hurt, innit?), a film that takes an intersting premise and craps all over it.

 

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After extensive research on the topic of Rock/Villain correlation, my findings remain inconclusive. 

 

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Dolph Lundgren in Rocky = Great

 

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Ed Harris in The Rock =  Pretty Good

 

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The Rock in Doom = Sorta Good

 

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A rock in Armageddon = Not Good

post #71 of 176

Agent Smith in "Matrix Reloaded" and "Matrix Revolutions."

 

"Mr. Anderson, welcome back...we've missed you."

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 Hmmm....I actually am quite fond of "Constantine" (although I know nothing about "Hellblazer"). If I was going to pick a villain from that one, it'd definitely be Peter Stormare's creepfest portrayal of Satan.


I've got your back here: Constantine is a bloody hoot. It ain't perfect but what it gets right, it gets really right. And this is coming from someone who collected Hellblazer before Vertigo even existed.

post #73 of 176

Whilst I wouldn't call THE PROPHECY a terrible film, it totally doesn't deserve Viggo Mortensen's amazing turn as Lucifer. The guy has about five minutes of screentime and manages to create one of my favourite cinematic Satan's, the guy just oozes malice and spite.

post #74 of 176

Stephen Lang in AVATAR. Terrible movie but that guy does everything he can to keep you interested whilst he's on-screen.

 

 

post #75 of 176

Clancy Brown is the only watchable thing in Pet Sematary 2

 

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...and Fred Krueger in just about every Nightmare film except 1 and 3

 

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Mean Machine Angel from Judge Dredd

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I'd go as far to say that Clancy Brown is the only good part of Highlander. Well, except for the Queen score of course.

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I'd go as far to say that Clancy Brown is the only good part of Highlander. Well, except for the Queen score of course.

I wouldn't go that far...Connery is pretty great in it as well.

Now HIGHLANDER 2: THE QUICKENING is another story. It's a truly terrible film to its core, but I do get some sort of enjoyment out of the incredibly hammy performance from Michael Ironside as General Katana. I don't know what film he thought he was starring in but it would have been better than what we got.
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I LOVED them both as a young lad, but rewatching Billy Madison or Happy Gilmore now would be a slog if it weren't for the terrific sleaze of Bradley Whitford and Christopher McDonald (and Carl Weathers, but he's not a villain).  



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"I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast"  "You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?"

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Patric's Max is so unpredictably nutso that I'd agree with this if I didn't dig THE LOSERS so much. So allow me to swap him for Patrick Wilson's magnificently smarmy CIA bro Lynch in Carnahan's A-TEAM. "Your code name is Broadsword? Awesome."



I was gonna mention Wilsons delightful turn, but tyhen I decided The A-Team is one of the best action films I've enjoyed in the last decade, so Wilsons just a really fun villain in a really fun movie.

 

I'll honestly never understand why Carnahans effort didn't catch on - this should've been a half-dozen entry franchise.

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I was gonna mention Wilsons delightful turn, but tyhen I decided The A-Team is one of the best action films I've enjoyed in the last decade, so Wilsons just a really fun villain in a really fun movie.

 

I'll honestly never understand why Carnahans effort didn't catch on - this should've been a half-dozen entry franchise.


So glad I'm not alone in liking this movie. I was late to the party because of the reviews. Then I saw it on a plane and was like, "Shit, this is a blast."

 

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"I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast"  "You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?"


The whole movie is this weird dadaist creep-a-thon between McDonald and Sandler competing over Julie Bowen and golf, and it's glorious.  When I look at McDonald I can't "unsee" Shooter McGavin.

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Bullets - he's riddled with it.

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As cringe inducing as this film is, Carrey is aces.

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Alan Rickman in Robin Hood.

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Whilst I wouldn't call THE PROPHECY a terrible film, it totally doesn't deserve Viggo Mortensen's amazing turn as Lucifer. The guy has about five minutes of screentime and manages to create one of my favourite cinematic Satan's, the guy just oozes malice and spite.



The Prophesy is amazing and Viggo's Satan unbelievably great.  But Walken's the other villain and he's awesome in every way possible.  This flick doesn't really belong in this thread but I'm happy for any mention of it.  One of my faves. 

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As cringe inducing as this film is, Carrey is aces.



Carrey is, I think, the only one out of the whole production--including Schuemaker--who nailed the Adam West-esque tone. Jones is hamming it up way too much in an attempt to out-chew Nicholson, but Carrey manages to craft a loving tribute to Frank Gorshin with his performance.

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The Prophesy is amazing and Viggo's Satan unbelievably great.  But Walken's the other villain and he's awesome in every way possible.  This flick doesn't really belong in this thread but I'm happy for any mention of it.  One of my faves. 


Big fan of the film as well.  It gets so many elements right that it's easy to overlook the flaws...and it has many.

 

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 Hmmm....I actually am quite fond of "Constantine" (although I know nothing about "Hellblazer"). If I was going to pick a villain from that one, it'd definitely be Peter Stormare's creepfest portrayal of Satan.

I'd take Tilda Swinton as the White Witch in "The Chronicles of Narnia", though.



 

 Well Tilda was the villian behind the end of the world plot. Satan wasn't really the villian, thou clearly an evil sod, in the same way Lucifier wasn't in The Prophecy. The film's pants thou. 

 

 

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 Well Tilda was the villian behind the end of the world plot. Satan wasn't really the villian, thou clearly an evil sod, in the same way Lucifier wasn't in The Prophecy. The film's pants thou. 

 

 


I think all the villains work pretty well in "Constantine" (which is pretty good and ballsy when you look at its source material); Stormare takes the cake in his few minutes in the film, but i also have a soft spot for Gavin Rossdale's Balthazar; he ends up as just a hench for the main bad guy, but I love his "Fire? I was born from this!" line.

 

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Mean Machine Angel from Judge Dredd




As someone who owns and LOVES this movie, I must say that I prefer Armand Assante's scenery chewing performance as Judge Rico to Mean Machine Angel. 

post #92 of 176

Loki from “Thor” (2011) – This film is an adaption of a popular Marvel Comic book superhero, but with a less appealing premise than “Daredevil”. Loki learns that he isn’t one of the gods, but actually an adopted Frost Giant Odin raised in hopes of gaining diplomatic leverage with the Giants. This news breaks Loki’s heart, and after his father falls into a deep sleep he becomes the new king of Asgard. Pleased, with these turn of events, Loki starts plotting…

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Loki from “Thor” (2011) – This film is an adaption of a popular Marvel Comic book superhero, but with a less appealing premise than “Daredevil”. Loki learns that he isn’t one of the gods, but actually an adopted Frost Giant Odin raised in hopes of gaining diplomatic leverage with the Giants. This news breaks Loki’s heart, and after his father falls into a deep sleep he becomes the new king of Asgard. Pleased, with these turn of events, Loki starts plotting…



Do you think Thor is a terrible film?

post #94 of 176
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I wouldn't go that far...Connery is pretty great in it as well.
Now HIGHLANDER 2: THE QUICKENING is another story. It's a truly terrible film to its core, but I do get some sort of enjoyment out of the incredibly hammy performance from Michael Ironside as General Katana. I don't know what film he thought he was starring in but it would have been better than what we got.



Fuck yeah - you get Ironside as your villain, let him steer the bus. We'd all be better for it. It really shows how bad Heavy Metal FAKK 2 is that even he can't save it.

 

post #95 of 176

Yeah.... when did Thor become the type of movie to be listed alongside Highlander 2: The Quickening and Balls Of Fury?

post #96 of 176

The whole movie is this weird dadaist creep-a-thon between McDonald and Sandler competing over Julie Bowen and golf, and it's glorious.  When I look at McDonald I can't "unsee" Shooter McGavin.

 

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McDonald was also pretty good as Travis Cole in "Dirty Work".  He really loves his dog.

 

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How about the eight legged freaks in" Eight Legged Freaks"?

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McDonald was also pretty good as Travis Cole in "Dirty Work".  He really loves his dog.


I will not have you or anyone, even indirectly, implying that Dirty Work is a terrible movie.  Freedom of speech only goes so far.

 

post #98 of 176

I am a little impartial to it myself.  It's "technically" a terrible movie, but I still love it.

 

"Wait, you two are brothers?"

"Yeah, it's a long story"

"My dad boned his mom"

"Ok, so it's a short story."

post #99 of 176

Dirty Work is a poorly shot and edited film (not terribly shot and edited mind you, just flat and boring), it hits every cliche beat that mainstream comedy films have driven into the ground for the last two decades so that you couldn't say it has anything resembling a good script, and Norm Macdonald as the lead is in no way a good actor, and yet it is an incredibly hilarious, entertaining film that I honestly wouldn't change a thing about. It's not so bad it's good, nor is it a bad film with some funny stuff in it (Billy Madison/Happy Gilmore). It's just straight up good, somehow, despite it's obvious flaws.

post #100 of 176

Dirty Work hits every mainstream comedy beat?  Such as the "extended offscreen mafia massacre" beat?  The "hobo/whore" cavalry beat?  The "protagonist is prison-raped as a throwaway gag" beat?

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