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post #2251 of 2734

Absolutely. 

 

 

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Theater of Insects, an entomology book from 1658, refers to flies as “little creatures so hateful to all men.” Most people's attitude towards dipterans has not changed much since, but maybe Steven Connor's excellent new book about the role of flies in culture and myth will help transform the fly's reputation.

In Fly, Connor tells us that the fly is loathed universally because it “takes its pleasure promiscuously, restlessly, unswervably, unashamedly.” Flies trample on their food and are so single-minded when it comes to reproducing that Aristotle remarked on the difficulty of pulling copulating flies apart. This carefree lifestyle offended human sensibilities. Flies became subjects for moral allegories about the consequences of pleasure-driven lives that often end with flies singed in flames or drowned in wine. Flies seem especially irresponsible when compared with social insects: ants and bees collect food and store it for the future or to feed their young and—at least the infertile workers—never copulate.

Because of their frivolous life, flies were used to signify sin throughout history. The capacity to command flies is the mark of the devil. Satan's lieutenant Beelzebub—the lord of the flies—is portrayed in a drawing from 1863 (reproduced in Fly) as a fierce fly-like creature with the skull and crossbones symbol on its wings. Satan himself, as well as many alleged witches and even Loki, the Nordic god of mischief, all change occasionally into flies. In their fly form, they have access to houses where they steal, torment, and seduce. The situation became even worse for flies when their role in transmitting diseases was discovered in the 19th century. A ruthless campaign for their extermination was started and books like The House Fly: A Slayer of Men and The Reduction of Domestic Flies urged readers to consider killing flies a moral duty.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1868069/

post #2252 of 2734

Except I always read the fly in "Fly" as a symbol of Walt's conscience bothering him.

post #2253 of 2734
It was, but it is historically a devil symbol too. Why not? Symbology, bitches!

I'm going through withdrawl on this. I like you, Boardwalk Empire, but it just ain't the same thing.
post #2254 of 2734

I thought the fly was meant to symbolize the cancer, but I guess it could be a loose interpretation.

post #2255 of 2734

All of these interpretations are correct. The devil one is the first I picked up on due to "Lord of the Flies", but it is also a metaphor for his increasingly absent/ephemeral conscience, a sort of nagging reminder that he needs to pay eventually. I bet the teddy bear eye makes an appearance again, since it symbolizes the same thing in this sense.

I was listening to the song "Dogs" by Pink Floyd today, and it struck me that some of the lyrics are pertinent to Walter White in season 5. It's mostly about the lives of businessmen but these two segments seemed quite appropriate:
 

 

Quote:
You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder.
You know it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you
get older.
And in the end you'll pack up and fly down south,
Hide your head in the sand,
Just another sad old man,
All alone and dying of cancer.

And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown.
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone.
And it's too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw
around.
So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone,
Dragged down by the stone.
post #2256 of 2734

I think you've found the perfect series finale end credits music.

 

Ten to one Vince Gilligan and Dave Porter have thought of that song already.

post #2257 of 2734

I liked the recurring thread of Walt's burgeoning OCD in S3, which climaxed with "Fly". I'm a little disappointed they dropped it so completely--it makes sense that it would go away (it was a manifestation of his conflicted nature, and as Heisenberg took over he became less conflicted) but I don't feel like the crucial step was taken until he poisoned Brock, so it should have, if anything, gotten worse in S4.
 

post #2258 of 2734

I felt like he was OCD about killing Gus. Obviously that's not a trivial thing like killing a fly, but the obsession was definitely there. He sort of lost his mind during that whole process.

post #2259 of 2734
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Originally Posted by killtrocity View Post

All of these interpretations are correct. The devil one is the first I picked up on due to "Lord of the Flies", but it is also a metaphor for his increasingly absent/ephemeral conscience, a sort of nagging reminder that he needs to pay eventually. I bet the teddy bear eye makes an appearance again, since it symbolizes the same thing in this sense.

I was listening to the song "Dogs" by Pink Floyd today, and it struck me that some of the lyrics are pertinent to Walter White in season 5. It's mostly about the lives of businessmen but these two segments seemed quite appropriate:
 

 


It's funny because I think this song was written about Andrew Loyd Webber. But hey, Heisenberg is only slightly less of a monster, so it still works.

post #2260 of 2734
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It's funny because I think this song was written about Andrew Loyd Webber. But hey, Heisenberg is only slightly less of a monster, so it still works.

 



Where did you hear that? Roger Water's beef with Webber was over Phantom of the Opera, which debuted in 1986. Dogs was released in 1977.

post #2261 of 2734

So I'm currently watching Season 4 on Netflix, I have about 4 eps left....But I don't want to wait until next summer to watch this final season. Anyone know where I can watch full eps??

I don't think the AMC site plays full eps. but I could be wrong......

post #2262 of 2734
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So I'm currently watching Season 4 on Netflix, I have about 4 eps left....But I don't want to wait until next summer to watch this final season. Anyone know where I can watch full eps??

I don't think the AMC site plays full eps. but I could be wrong......

 

iTunes

post #2263 of 2734

Zune works too.

post #2264 of 2734

Amazon Instant

post #2265 of 2734
A more free option, might be using your tv provider and see if they offer video on demand. You might be able to get some of the episodes free. So you could use that in conjunction with a paid service mentioned above to get all the episodes. Nothing wrong also going over to a friend's place and using their service to catch up. Nothing like bonding over meth... ...that drives people to have fantastic character arcs.
post #2266 of 2734

Thanks a lot guys. Appreciate all the suggestions!

 

About the show, with the show coming to an end have they more or less hinted at how its going to end??

post #2267 of 2734
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Thanks a lot guys. Appreciate all the suggestions!

 

About the show, with the show coming to an end have they more or less hinted at how its going to end??

 

That's like asking us to throw a dart in the bullseye with the lights off. :)

post #2268 of 2734

I am having withdrawals too.  Every Sunday night, I think I have something to look forward to for a split second and then sadness overcomes me.

 

Gotta agree, Arjen.  I like Boardwalk Empire a whole lot, but it's just not the same.

post #2269 of 2734

You can make the most surface level comparisons between BB and BE (they're both technically crime shows with middle-aged leads, I guess), but they have next to nothing in common.  Boardwalk does not have any of the western or noir flavorings that BB does, and it sprawls so massively that it can't work as a potboiler in the same way.  I think you're better off going for Sons of Anarchy as your methadone, as it's a much weaker show than the others, but still goes for some of that ohshitohshitohshit feeling of having criminals trying to solve 3 simultaneous problems immediately, rather than mulling over their options over a glass of whiskey and then deciding who to order to kill who.

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post #2271 of 2734

Seriously raging right now!

 

 

I tell a friend he should get into Breaking Bad, that it's awesome, that he will love it.

 

His reply was one of skepticism and that he thought it must suck because he checked out one episode on Netflix and couldn't see himself getting into it.

 

The one episode he watched out of the whole series?  "The Fly".

 

What

The

Hell

 

He believed the show to just be about some crazy guy with OCD.

 

Explained that he needs to watch from the beginning, I have no idea what posessed him to watch this random episode from the middle of the series.  He's familiar with shows that are all about long-form storytelling (has watched Lost, BSG, Buffy, Angel, Supernatural, Firefly, etc) and loved them, but for some reason he just decided to jump into the middle of a random episode when it comes to this series. 

 

WTF man.

post #2272 of 2734
BB is definitely ridiculous. I have recommended Mad Men to folks...urging them to start from the beginning. They insisted on catching an episode as the 4th season aired. Their impression? Boring and pointless. But that didn't top my bro in law. He decided to start Lost on Netflx in the 4th season, 3rd episode. He finished and said it was pretty good. How? How in the world did you like it at all when the finale only paid off on the very thing he missed? - character. Some people's kids.
post #2273 of 2734

Schwartz, I think Arjen and I were simply saying that we like BE, but not as much as BB.

 

We weren't necessarilly comparing the two.

post #2274 of 2734

The first episode of Buffy I ever saw was the ep where SPOILER I GUESS Buffy sent Angel to Hell.

 

It was literally the stupidest thing I'd ever seen. I was laughing throughout. A free copy of the first-season DVDs came into my possession years later, and I was going to sell them, but my roommate asked if he could have them instead.

 

The second time I saw that same episode after watching everything up to that point, I was sobbing like a little girl.

 

Anyway. On-topic: rewatching Season 1 right now. Nothing revelatory to add except that Cranston's performance is almost a dramatic version of Malcolm's dad. The subtle hints of aggression that seep through in those early eps are chilling to see knowing how they manifest in later seasons.

post #2275 of 2734

I've had a sort of crystallization of thought regarding the potential direction of the coming episodes based heavily on the opening scene of Live Free or Die...

As others have pointed out, Walt keeps mementos or habits reflecting the people whose deaths he feels responsible for:
-Crazy 8's aversion to crust
-Teddy bear eyeball
-Leaves of Grass, from G.B.
-No more rocks in his whiskey after he kills Mike


The last one is less tangible:
-He adopts the general habits and demeanor of Gus (posture, coldness, etc.)

 

There are two other examples of this thought process on the show:
-Hank and Tuco's grill (which he throws in a river, because he's not sentimental or a nutcase)
-Todd and the tarantula

Now someone pointed out that "Lambert" is Skyler and Marie's maiden name? I'm not sure when this was divulged, but it's on the wiki. So of course, the obvious conclusion is that Walt adopts her tradition of arranging his birthday bacon as well as her last name because he feels responsible for her death.

 


My 1:100 bet on what happens is that Walt cannot exit the business so easily - he is not "out", although he may want to be, due to the reemergence of his cancer and his increasingly insipid life.

Some tangible danger, most likely on multiple fronts, will present itself, at which point Skyler will resolve that the only option for saving the family is to tell Hank and invoke witness protection.

 

The danger could be Lydia (we've seen her order hits on business associates before), those terrifying nazis, cartel retribution, Gus retribution, or any combination of the above.

Walt will never stand for this - he feels there is always a way out, which may or may not involve an M-60. He will kill Skyler to prevent her from ratting him out to Hank. In season 3, Walt called Skyler's bluff, knowing that she was in no position to turn Walt in. In this case, Skyler makes a gamble, believing her husband could not murder her in cold blood, which of course, he does.

The irony here is of course that Hank already knows about Walt and has been building a case against him since his bathroom revelation. Once again, Walt has killed somebody for absolutely no reason.

Hank is then prompted to pull the trigger on his investigation, which may or may not lead to more deaths, but will definitely lead to Walt's exile.

The chances of this playing out exactly as I've outlined it are infinitesimal, but I am confident that Walt will be responsible for Skyler's death.


Where is Skyler's maiden name revealed, and why the hell didn't I know this?

post #2276 of 2734

Real good stuff, Killrocity.  Definitely thought provoking.

 

If Walt ends up killing Skyler in cold blood, then that would be some of the darkest shit cable television has ever seen...and I would love it.  (And that's not because I'm in the "I hate Skyler" camp.  It's just because I love dark and intense television/film that sometimes punches you in the face).

post #2277 of 2734

It's not people Walt killed per se, but people whose death he feels responsible for. I'm betting it's Walt's actions that lead to Skyler's death over him pulling the trigger. Hell, Skyler seems more or less open to a return the status quo at this point.

post #2278 of 2734

I'm having a hard time seeing Walt killing Skyler, no matter how far he's fallen, because it's so out of character. His family has been everything to him throughout the run of the show. Obviously he's been a complete and utter dick to Skyler, but he's also been intent on keeping her as his wife. He's willing to let her become a broken shell of her former self, but that's still not the same as killing her. And I particularly don't think he'd kill her to save his own bacon; he knows his bacon is cooked no matter what happens.

 

Now I'm hungry for bacon.
 

post #2279 of 2734

Me too >_<

You could be right. It could be that he is responsible for her death without pulling the trigger. That might actually be more in line with where his character is at in the end of 508. I guess it's a matter of whether he will descend further or not.

Do you think he would kill Hank if he had to? I'm not really sure about that one, either. I guess it's a question of whether he still has a soul, although he has already made amends with the fact that he's going to hell...

 

This is so irritating. Imagine if season 3 ended on I.C.U. It's only half the arc!



Another thought - I don't know how many of you have seen Revenge of the Sith (the last Star Wars prequel), but in a lot of ways it shows a similar descent of the protagonist, Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader (although Breaking Bad does so in an infinitely more satisfying and believable way) - but in that movie, the protagonist kills his wife, the person he's been making all of these awful choices for in the first place. It didn't make a whole lot of sense in that movie, and I'm not sure that Breaking Bad could pull it off either, unless it's a fit of rage sort of thing (ala Star Wars and the Mike killing)

post #2280 of 2734

I couldn't see him outright offing her.  Hank, maybe.  In defense from Skyler, if she were for some reason to lose all reasoning and attempt to kill Walt (Flynn gets killed or taken hostage by whatever threat is sure to be coming), maybe.  Other than her directly trying to kill Walt (and that would be so highly unlikely, but like so much on this show would not surprise me), I don't see him doing that.  

 

I definitely can see him being responsible for her death but only because she is caught in his unsuccessful bid to quit.  

 

I think the only thing that most people agree on is he cannot be out of the Biz that easily without repercussions, if he is even out at all.

post #2281 of 2734

He could absolutely cause her death unintentionally. In fact I'd be amazed if that doesn't happen (really, if Skyler dies at all it's pretty much going to be because of Walt, however indirectly). But I don't buy him killing her to save himself. The only thing I can think of is if it somehow came down to a choice between her and Flynn/Holly for Walt, then MAYBE he might. But that seems like a stretch.

 

I will say this, I'm actually less certain that Skyler is going to die than I was last season. It's still probable, but she's entering into Jesse territory, where she really deserves a break. Last season it seemed like she was sliding down the same moral slope that Walt had, this season she seems more like a victim rather than a collaborator. Granted, this isn't necessarily a show that punishes bad people and rewards good ones...

post #2282 of 2734


... and how did BC not win? Surely...
 

 

...they must be joking.

post #2283 of 2734

Random thought: I know the imagery was speculative, but it would be pretty clever if the show ended with that shot of dead Heisenberg that was shown in the narcocorrido song back in season 2 - after everything, the cartel ends up killing him.

 

The show goes back in front of the camera in late November.  Crossing my fingers for a "Herzog signs on to direct an episode" announcement.

post #2284 of 2734

I'm starting to think Walter White is going to end up like Daniel Plainview, all alone with his money and his empire and no semblance of anything resembling human emotion

post #2285 of 2734

I tend to agree.

 

On a totally unrelated note, Cranston killed it on 30 Rock this week.

post #2286 of 2734

Mythbusters meets Breaking Bad
 

I've been dying for them to do this!

 

Disappointed they'll only be doing two "myths" from the show.  You know the second myth they didn't reveal has to be the mercury fulminate.  It'd be great if they could squeeze in a few quick "myths" to cover stuff like the (yeah bitch!) magnet.

post #2287 of 2734

It's either KEN WINS or fulminate - the latter would be much more interesting though - what did he mix it with to get the large crystals? Would the rest of the bag have detonated? Pretty cool.

post #2288 of 2734

Having first seen seasons 1-3 on a straight run through several months ago, I've jumped into season 4, and I dunno...they've kinda lost me.  I'm on Ep. 3 and it just seems incredibly contrived and forced.  Walter seems to be nutless and Jesse running a crack den in his house?  I know he's nihilistic these days but come on.  It opened with a bang and now it's fizzling for me...

 

I know it's early but (without spoilers) does this sucker go anywhere?

post #2289 of 2734
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Having first seen seasons 1-3 on a straight run through several months ago, I've jumped into season 4, and I dunno...they've kinda lost me.  I'm on Ep. 3 and it just seems incredibly contrived and forced.  Walter seems to be nutless and Jesse running a crack den in his house?  I know he's nihilistic these days but come on.  It opened with a bang and now it's fizzling for me...

 

I know it's early but (without spoilers) does this sucker go anywhere?

 

Oh yes. Stick with it.  Walter must be broken.

post #2290 of 2734

The first few eps of season 4 felt off for me too, particularly the stuff with Jesse's party house, but stick with it. By the end of 5 it's as good as ever if not better.

 

Walter being nutless (once again under somebody's thumb!) is a very important piece of the puzzle.

post #2291 of 2734

A 2 episode rut seems like an extremely short window to be considering throwing in the towel after the sustained greatness of seasons 1-3, but suffice to say that yes, season 4 roars back to life pretty quickly.

post #2292 of 2734

Episode 4 starts to pick up big time, and I'd say "Problem Dog" to "Face Off" (the last 7 episodes) could be argued as the greatest sustained run of episodes they have ever done.

 

And that's saying something with this show.

post #2293 of 2734

God, "Problem Dog" is so fucking good.  And "Crawl Space".  

post #2294 of 2734

"Crawl Space." CRAWL SPACE!

 

Ahem.

 

It doesn't appear that this stretch of S5 episodes is coming out on DVD. If so, I can't seem to find it. I assume AMC will begin re-running them next spring, but I may have to pay up to Amazon Instant to rewatch them.

post #2295 of 2734
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A 2 episode rut seems like an extremely short window to be considering throwing in the towel after the sustained greatness of seasons 1-3, but suffice to say that yes, season 4 roars back to life pretty quickly.

 

I was never considering throwing in the towel...the show has earned my loyalty and I know season 5 is the last, so what's the point in stopping now.  

post #2296 of 2734

To echo... Stick around. The second half of 4 is glorious.

post #2297 of 2734

Ep 10 (Salud)...holy shit

post #2298 of 2734

And with Crawl Space next.  Yeah, you're in a good place.

post #2299 of 2734

Crawl Space...OMG, wow.

post #2300 of 2734
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Crawl Space...OMG, wow.

 

Yep.

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