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post #3251 of 7466
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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post


Can't agree with this at all. Hank is terrible at what he does. He didn't figure Walt out. He just happened to be taking a shit when the truth fell into his lap. It wasn't even a "clue", it was essentially just a sign that said "Walt is Heisenberg".

 

You couldn't be more wrong.  Hank has proven repeatedly to be exceedingly competent at his job, often pushing a hunch through in spite of opposition from the rest of the DEA and being proven correct each time.  He is an absolutely amazing officer who just happens to have a massive blind spot where family is concerned.  Walt took advantage of that blind spot, and could have gotten away indefinitely if Hank didn't stumble on irrefutable evidence.  Implying Hank is terrible at his job because he didn't suspect his brother-in-law earlier is insanity.

post #3252 of 7466
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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post

Can't agree with this at all. Hank is terrible at what he does. 

No. No no no.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape View Post

The innocent neighbor wasn't Carol, actually.  Other house.

 

Doh!  I could have sworn it was the neighbor on that side.  Been forever since I watched it though so I'll defer to you.

post #3254 of 7466
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Originally Posted by A-Pathetic View Post

You couldn't be more wrong.  Hank has proven repeatedly to be exceedingly competent at his job, often pushing a hunch through in spite of opposition from the rest of the DEA and being proven correct each time.  He is an absolutely amazing officer who just happens to have a massive blind spot where family is concerned.  Walt took advantage of that blind spot, and could have gotten away indefinitely if Hank didn't stumble on irrefutable evidence.  Implying Hank is terrible at his job because he didn't suspect his brother-in-law earlier is insanity.

I guess I just dislike Hank and always have. You make some good points about the character, but I can't help but think of him as a humorless asshole pouring all his energy into a destructive, pointless drug war. Hank is, as much as anyone, responsible for the criminality he's so up in arms over.
post #3255 of 7466

It's weird to see the Doctor's own personal biases completely cloud all reason and logic. A first!

post #3256 of 7466
Saying Hank is terrible at his job is like saying Danny Trejo (R.I.P. Tortuga) shouldn't be in more movies. It's simply not true.
post #3257 of 7466
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Originally Posted by Nexus-7 View Post

What on earth would cause an abandoned property to be fenced in like the White home in the flash-forward?

 

Meth Lab, first thing I thought of. Basically, you cook Meth in a house, and the house is pretty much a toxic no go zone, both from a healthy abode point of view and legally (Saul mentions this when Jesse bought his house from his folks). Didn't see any clues to it on his walkthrough the house, but the house is pretty buggered up anyway. I'm assuming this 'Walt is forced to cook' scenario we are mulling here happens in his home.

 

Probably reading too much into it. Could be simple drug-repossession thing.

post #3258 of 7466
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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post

I guess I just dislike Hank and always have. You make some good points about the character, but I can't help but think of him as a humorless asshole pouring all his energy into a destructive, pointless drug war. Hank is, as much as anyone, responsible for the criminality he's so up in arms over.

 

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup. 

post #3259 of 7466

I loved the whole scene with Walter and Lydia at the car wash. Mirrored the several times he went to see Gustavo at Los Pollos Hermanos and he would throw in a word or two about their "business" in between asking him if he meal was fine and if he needed anything else.

 

Great premiere episode, and I'm glad they're not wasting any time at all. I did miss the beginning flashforward part, but a lot of these pictures and .gifs are showing me what I missed. Cool stuff.

post #3260 of 7466
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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post


I guess I just dislike Hank and always have. You make some good points about the character, but I can't help but think of him as a humorless asshole pouring all his energy into a destructive, pointless drug war. Hank is, as much as anyone, responsible for the criminality he's so up in arms over.

 

Wow. Are we blaming Hank for the entire discredited total fiasco that is the USA's War on Drugs (71 to present day)? Coz I think that's a bit harsh. :)

 

Hank was right about Gus, he was right about the Crystal Ship, he was convinced that the Heisenberg story wasn't the be all and end all. At no point has he willingly let himself be part of Walt's schemes. I think he's the cleanest guy in the whole damned show, but the drug money for his therapy will make him officially as dirty as everyone else. The guy is an insensitive macho wanker, but he's good at his job and can't see him being culpable for any criminality.

post #3261 of 7466

Oh Harford... you'll be the death of us all.

post #3262 of 7466

It's the ZT60. The higher quality not only allows for better picture but deeper insight into characters and story as well. The rest of us philistines are just missing out.

post #3263 of 7466

Hank's proven to be a great cop time and time again. He's been promoted a couple of times, I believe. Walter is just exceedingly intelligent and good at covering his ass. If you were a DEA agent, would you suspect your brother in law of being a drug kingpin? I would, because my brother in law is a a-hole, but Hank has no reason to have suspected him in the past except for a dumb coincidence or two.

 

Also, it's been mentioned a few places here that Hank would be in trouble once it comes out that his therapy was funded by dirty money. Why? There's no evidence that he knew, and the show's pointing to the fact that Hank will likely uncover Walter.

post #3264 of 7466
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Originally Posted by flint View Post

 

 

Hank was right about Gus, he was right about the Crystal Ship, he was convinced that the Heisenberg story wasn't the be all and end all. At no point has he willingly let himself be part of Walt's schemes. I think he's the cleanest guy in the whole damned show, but the drug money for his therapy will make him officially as dirty as everyone else. The guy is an insensitive macho wanker, but he's good at his job and can't see him being culpable for any criminality.

 

Hank isn't even that much of an insensitive macho wanker.  The show has gone to great pains to demonstrate that this is a front that Hank puts on to convince his coworkers (and himself) that he's a badass.  He's about as human as they come, hiding his weaknesses behind a blustery facade and never letting on about his paralyzing panic attacks.

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Speculating about a show's future before fully appreciating all that was great about the current episode is one of my TV talk pet peeves.  But I've whined about that before.  Here's a different one-- letting your personal feelings about a character cloud your ability to interpret the show.  Granted, opinions will differ, but am I off base in thinking it seems like people oftentimes don't even try to think about what the writers/directors/actors are telling us anymore, and instead just let their biases and "rooting interests" determine their thoughts about a show?  It's like everything is a soap opera.

post #3266 of 7466

Never forget Hank (brilliantly!) caught Heisenberg by the sixth episode of season 3. And it was pretty much a solo investigation.

 

 

 

Back to the latest episode...

 

So a big part why Walt has chosen to go back to the "normal life" was obviously his cancer diagnosis, greatly hinted in "Gliding Over all". I mean we all speculated what this callback signified (right before he gave Jesse his money and told Skyler he was out) ...

 

 

 

I think that's some really cool story/character symmetry being layed out just as those chickens come home to the roost. He broke bad and decided to cook meth after his first diagnosis. And the second diagnosis is what caused him to want "break good" and leave the life. 

post #3267 of 7466

My thoughts are getting repetitive, but I can't say enough about Dean Norris in that final scene. I was struck by the combination of rage and sadness he conveyed in that scene, at times barely spitting the words out. If he's not nominated for an Emmy next year, I will complain impotently. DAMN impotently.

post #3268 of 7466
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My thoughts are getting repetitive, but I can't say enough about Dean Norris in that final scene. I was struck by the combination of rage and sadness he conveyed in that scene, at times barely spitting the words out. If he's not nominated for an Emmy next year, I will complain impotently. DAMN impotently.

I agree, the absolute look of horror when he was uttering the lines, "I don't know who you are" was pretty impressive....

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Anyone have any opinions on what looked like a trap door in Walt's kitchen?
post #3271 of 7466

Very nice, Schwartz. Very nice indeed.

 

Straight from the AV Club Commentariat, the third best thing I have seen today: (Rewatched Breaking Bad this morning for breakfast, Saxon's unwarranted but appreciated Carlos Danger impressions in my private messages, and this tumbler)

 

Breaking Mad.

 

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post #3272 of 7466
I actually had to go back and turn on subs during the garage scene. At times I could barely make out what hank was growling. Also, what the hell was up with Hank's weird ass beard? It's like it had random, wispy long hairs here and there. Maybe if I had a ZT60 it would have made sense to me.
post #3273 of 7466

I understood Hank just fine. Which is weird, because I'm stuck with a Samsung.

 

As for the facial hair, he'd been at home for a few days. Shaving probably wasn't on his mind.

post #3274 of 7466
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick View Post

Everyone hung around for "Talking Bad" last night, right?

 

#likewhiteonricin

 

I was really happy they didn't have the immediate cut scenes to the show after BB breaks, that seriously would have wrecked half the fun for me.  I was curious to see what Gilligan would say actually, was it good stuff?

 

Like everybody else has said, great start, fast start, can't wait to see where it goes and Dean Norris deserves all the emmys.  

post #3275 of 7466

I liked how they showed the #likewhiteonricin hashtag during a brief commercial, with no Chris Hardwick involved. It was like AMC was saying "Yeah, it's dumb...just go with it."

post #3276 of 7466

Cant say enough good things about this episode. You guys mentioned it all already, but the Hank n Walter Garage scene was a long time coming and it was glorious. The best part is it was only the opening act for when the family sits down together and all the cards get put on the table (damn I hope this happens next week).

 

All the potential outcomes are still in the air...and the show did not waste any time...it got right into telling the story.  I only hope that the next family dinner scene can live up to the last one.

post #3277 of 7466
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Cant say enough good things about this episode. You guys mentioned it all already, but the Hank n Walter Garage scene was a long time coming and it was glorious. The best part is it was only the opening act for when the family sits down together and all the cards get put on the table (damn I hope this happens next week).

 

All the potential outcomes are still in the air...and the show did not waste any time...it got right into telling the story.  I only hope that the next family dinner scene can live up to the last one.

I'm not sure where Herc at AICN got this, but I think that could very well happen:

 

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Series mastermind Vince Gilligan says something like 20 hours worth of story are packed in these final eight episodes, and I’d say this episode bears that out. It is gripping and funny and it flies by.
post #3278 of 7466
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Anyone have any opinions on what looked like a trap door in Walt's kitchen?

Rewatching the episode (again), it's not a trap door. It's where the floor rotted underneath the kitchen island.

 

Also, when Walter rushes away from the dinner table to vomit, Skyler gives him a look that shows concern towards his health. She may not have been told about the cancer, but I think she knows.

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Also also, it may not be brought up again, but it seems that Jesse throwing money in yards is a darn fine way for Hank to trace things so he can get Jesse on his side. Maybe?

 

IS IT SUNDAY YET?

post #3281 of 7466
There's one theory thus far that really made me sit up straight. Poisoning a blue meth batch with Ricin! Genius. What better way to ensure no one ever attempts to cook or sell or smoke his precious recipe? We all know how goddamn egotistical Walt is about his product. Walt could also rationalize that he's doing a service by scaring people off drugs, lest they be poisoned by Heisenberg.

Ok I just convinced myself this is happening.
post #3282 of 7466

I'm sorry but I'm not seeing the ricin in the meth, there doesn't seem to be enough ricin to poison a whole batch of meth, nor does Walt seem to have any access to any sort of cooking for meth, so unless he came back to poison random methheads (WENDY?) I can't see that developing.  He's also going to have be damn tricky using that ricin considering everybody seems to know who the fuck he is and how untrustworthy he is, so getting close enough to somebody to poison them is also a tall order.

 

What are your plans Mr.Lambert? What are you thinking? When is it Sunday?

post #3283 of 7466

So I'm rewatching, and how did I miss Walt doing "Gus Fring" while speaking to Lydia.

 

 

 

"And have an A1 day"

post #3284 of 7466
The ricin is for Jesse...it was foreshadowed in an earlier season when Jesse was supposed to use it on Gus and hid it in a pack of smokes and Walt said "just don't smoke it"...and thematically it is for Jesse as well. It's pretty basic screenwriting.
post #3285 of 7466
He is not poisoning a batch its too late for that when he gets it,it might be for Jesse but remember Jesse will become the teacher , maybe this time he out smarts Walt, magnets was his idea
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Yeah, gotta say I don't see the ricin being used for Jesse. Just seems a bit too obvious for a show like this.

post #3287 of 7466
There are plenty of things on this show that have been "obvious". Walt was obviously going to be caught, Hank was obviously going to be the one to find out because thematically it makes the most sense. Mike was obviously going to be killed by Walt (it was foreshadowed). Gilligan is still adhering to basic screenwriting techniques for major plays...

Walt has saved Jesse's life and vice versa...the biggest thematic punch is for Walt to be so far "gone" that he kills Jesse...and he's not going to shoot him or run him over...the ricin has been a major prop in trying to save both their lives (Tuco, Andrea's kid, Gus)...so to end things you need an ironic reversal which plays into Walt's fall from grace. Thematics become obvious when you know what to look for.
Edited by Ambler - 8/13/13 at 12:29am
post #3288 of 7466
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The ricin is for Jesse...it was foreshadowed in an earlier season when Jesse was supposed to use it on Gus and hid it in a pack of smokes and Walt said "just don't smoke it"...and thematically it is for Jesse as well. It's pretty basic screenwriting.


Does Breaking Bad even do "pretty basic screenwriting"? I wouldn't be at all surprised if the ricin and/or M60 ended up not even getting used.

I mean sure some stuff adheres to formula, but fan predictions and this show don't really tend to work out.

post #3289 of 7466

Can someone remind me about the kid they referred to in this episode? The one whose parents were going to get Jesse's money? It's been a while since I've watched this show and can't really remember a lot of stuff that's happened.

post #3290 of 7466

There would certainly be enough ricin to poison a batch of meth in that little vial, if what Walt said about the tip of a pin being enough is true(to fuck over Declan? Lydia? Todd?). Could be something that would come back on Jesse with those feds from the end of season 4. But that makes me wonder how much of this season will feature 52 year old Walt.

post #3291 of 7466
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post

Can someone remind me about the kid they referred to in this episode? The one whose parents were going to get Jesse's money? It's been a while since I've watched this show and can't really remember a lot of stuff that's happened.

 

The kid in the desert that Todd killed during the train heist.

post #3292 of 7466
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Originally Posted by A-Pathetic View Post

 

The kid in the desert that Todd killed during the train heist.

 

Oh okay. Thanks.

post #3293 of 7466
With ALL the shit Jesse's been through I can't help to think that he will be just about the only one to come out on top, and he will be the one killing Heisenberg.

I imagine a scene of Walt basically dying in Jesse's arms with them borh crying and Walt apologizing and shedding Heisenberg just before he dies.
post #3294 of 7466

Hey you guys wanna pipe down while I listen to the latest insider podcast?

post #3295 of 7466
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Originally Posted by machiav View Post

So I'm rewatching, and how did I miss Walt doing "Gus Fring" while speaking to Lydia.

 

 

 

"And have an A1 day"

 

Walt was "Fringing It On®" all over the place in this episode.  From the towel I mentioned earlier to the entire discussion he had with Lydia.  In that discussion, she came in asking questions while acting jittery as Walt calmly asked her to chill out - all during business hours at Walt's personal business.  It was an eery parallel.

post #3296 of 7466

Yeah, you can definitely see that Walt has transformed much into Gus's character, although that has been slowly happening the past few seasons. Here it's full on. He is totally channeling his Fring on.

That podcast is a blast to listen to! Thanks for posting FatherDude.

post #3297 of 7466

you got a lot of nerve showin your face around here heisenberg

 

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If I may chime in with a response I should've put down days ago:

 

Oh yes. Oh sweet, sweet blue meth YES.

 

I'm glad they wasted absolutely no time in Hank confronting Walt, was worried it'd be dragged out for a few episodes. Guess they don't have a few episodes to spin wheels. Aah, the magic of knowing when you're off the air.

post #3299 of 7466
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Originally Posted by King Ocean View Post

Yeah, you can definitely see that Walt has transformed much into Gus's character, although that has been slowly happening the past few seasons. Here it's full on. He is totally channeling his Fring on.

 

 

Except Walt is much LESS cautious and a damn site MORE arrogant than Gus.

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Gus experienced a subtle spike in hubris after he exacted his revenge, twenty years in the making, on Don Eladio.  While the guy was always ruthless, his theatrical "I will kill your whole family" speech in the desert and then being taken aback by Walt's mouthy response exhibit a little bit more swagger than was usually characteristic of him.  And of course, that emotionally-driven attitude is exactly what Walt took advantage of.  There was definitely some degree of vanity in his decision to kill the "crippled little rata" himself against Tyrus' advice, thus putting himself out in the open.  Would he have done something so bold before the events of "Salud" instead of while he was basking in his triumph?

 

Yeah, Walt's conduct starting in 501 is an extremely magnified version of the above, but I'd still say the correlation is deliberate.  These guys finally destroy their enemy and feel invincible as a result.  And the recklessness borne out of that lead to their downfall.

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