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post #51 of 106

Yes, but it's not Criterion(one of the best companies in the world for releasing films on dvd/blu-ray). And you need multi region to view Criterion blu-rays. smile.gif

post #52 of 106

Yeah the Criterion release is remastered and has extras.  Quite a few Criterion releases are not in other regions too, like Kurosawa's High & Low.  Such a shame PS3s can't be hacked!

 

I think the general consensus is that Alien and Aliens are benchmark material to show off bluray.  And Speed Racer.  Crazy details.

post #53 of 106

^ Avatar is a very good blu-ray to show off what blu-ray can do. After you watch the blu-ray, the dvd is more or less disgusting, I was surprised with the difference, the dvd quality looked awful on the same television I played the blu-ray on.

post #54 of 106
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If you're talking about the Fincher GAME then it's been available in the UK for nearly a year on Blu. Think it's region-free too.

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Game-Blu-ray-Region-Free/dp/B0041G67YW/ref=sr_1_3?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1339956080&sr=1-3

 

It has a shitty transfer though.

post #55 of 106
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I'm definitely getting a Blu-Ray player this year. I want to get a nice one though so I'm going to start looking into it. Here's my question... I don't want to replace my entire DVD collection. Is it even worth it to replace some of the movies especially the comedies? I mean how good will Caddyshack, National Lampoon's Vacation and Planes, Trains and Automobiles and those types of movies really be on Blu-Ray compared to just keeping them on DVD and playing them on a Blu-Ray player (where the quality improves)? 

 

Obviously, I want to trade in my Tarantino collection and Star Wars and my comic book movies (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, etc.) and buy them on Blu-Ray because I'm sure they would look much better. 

 

I'm really excited. I just found out that Indiana Jones is finally going to be released on Blu-Ray. That should look awesome. 

post #56 of 106
Yeah comedies on blu rarely need an upgrade.
post #57 of 106

I'm holding off until the back catalog of vintage 3D films starts to fill in. I hear Dial 'M' For Murder is on the way, but I really want House of Wax, The Creature From the Black Lagoon and Inferno.

post #58 of 106

When Blu-Ray arrived I felt I had no need for it and was perfectly content with DVD.  Soon after, I got a PS3 and decided to try out a Blu-Ray by picking up The Shining.  All I can say is it hurts to watch anything on DVD now.

 

Anything Malick/Kubrick/Coppola will have your jaw on the floor.  

post #59 of 106
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I'm definitely getting a Blu-Ray player this year. I want to get a nice one though so I'm going to start looking into it. Here's my question... I don't want to replace my entire DVD collection. Is it even worth it to replace some of the movies especially the comedies? I mean how good will Caddyshack, National Lampoon's Vacation and Planes, Trains and Automobiles and those types of movies really be on Blu-Ray compared to just keeping them on DVD and playing them on a Blu-Ray player (where the quality improves)? 

 

Obviously, I want to trade in my Tarantino collection and Star Wars and my comic book movies (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, etc.) and buy them on Blu-Ray because I'm sure they would look much better. 

 

I'm really excited. I just found out that Indiana Jones is finally going to be released on Blu-Ray. That should look awesome. 

Well the good news is blu-rays are so cheap now. Seriously I bought Caddyshack at Amazon for 6 dollars. Most blu-rays are between 10 and 15 bucks. Hell some even drop down to 15 QUICK. A couple weeks ago I bought Chronicle for 13 bucks and I just bought Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows for 15 and both of those are new titles. Keep an eye on Amazon and bestbuy.com and if you can stand it walk into a wal-mart of a target. Both of them have 5-8 dollar sections where you can find gold like American werewolf in london, beetleguise, Rounders, Swingers. All the lionsgate catalogue titles are 10 bucks. I have been upgrading like crazy over the past year or so and I promise im not rich. 

 

However you are correct about one thing. Not every blu-ray is created equal. Some aren't done so well and it really isn't much of an upgrade. I would suggest reading reviews before buying everything. 

post #60 of 106
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Originally Posted by Upgrayedd View Post

I'm definitely getting a Blu-Ray player this year. I want to get a nice one though so I'm going to start looking into it. Here's my question... I don't want to replace my entire DVD collection. Is it even worth it to replace some of the movies especially the comedies? I mean how good will Caddyshack, National Lampoon's Vacation and Planes, Trains and Automobiles and those types of movies really be on Blu-Ray compared to just keeping them on DVD and playing them on a Blu-Ray player (where the quality improves)? 

 

If you have a decent TV, everything looks better in blu.  Especially comedies, because they're shot in such a high-key fashion.  But check the blu review sites for image quality specifics on certain titles.

post #61 of 106

I often check out Cnet's must-own Blu Rays list, which they update frequently. I don't want to overhaul my entire DVD roster, but for select films like Apocalypse Now or 2001 (er, or Tommy Boy), it's well worth the upgrade.

post #62 of 106

The great thing about that CNET list is that you can find around half of those titles for under $15.

post #63 of 106
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Well I'm just going to say that nothing is permanent. There is always something coming. You can enjoy what you have now, or you can keep looking to the future hoping for something better, but you might be missing what's right in front of you.

 

 

If CDs are any indication, there's a final physical format for such stuff, a format that becomes the one people are comfortable with as the standard physical format, and so are content to not move beyond.

 

People are porting home movies and obscure VHS onto DVD. Not Blu-Ray. And Blu-Ray is selling itself as being backwards compatible - which to me is more than just a temporary play to deal with the dominant format, but ends up being a tacit admission that DVD is the standard format for people and that's not going to change. Probably ever. The jump from VHS to DVD was a big one; I can't see regular people going for what will seem to be a marginal upgrade, after being sold on DVD as the ultimate format and after having bought gigantic DVD collections. This country is full of people who're broke. We're not all going to buy one damn thing after another - we're not gamers. We just want to own our favorite movies in a good enough format. And DVD is that for most people.

 

I agree with Raindog.

post #64 of 106

Upgrayedd - be careful when you buy any MGM Blus - you mentioned The Terminator earlier in this thread, and that disc is atrocious. MGM has done some really shitty Blus in an attempt to exploit their library and get their shit on shelves. They'll do better transfers eventually, but it'll take time. Avoid Rocky, RoboCop and The Terminator like the plague. Each of those titles has MGM DVD editions that actually look superior to the Blu (the "Skynet Edition" of T2, however, is breathtaking).

 

Having said that, the vast, incredible, insane, absurd majority of films look so much better on Blu. And some of the restoration required to get the films to the condition to do an HD master for Blu Ray means that the tech spurs preservation and presentation breakthroughs.

Conversely, so much of what streams is garbage. I dread the day when packaged media dies, and all we have to watch is what streams - blocky, glitchy, and staggered - in six month cycles on Netflix...when the only option for foreign films is a shit dub. When you pay what it costs to buy some of these titles (like you said, some brilliant Blus around the $5.00 price point - and just wait until the day you walk into Best Buy when they're doing one of their insidious $4.00 sales).

People say streaming is about "having the world at your fingertips" - but it's not at your fingetips if you can't hold it in your hands.

And Hammerhead - WB says they're doing House of Wax right after Dial M, and Creature's out in 3D in October. Read my column, my friend! I'll keep you up on all that shit! :D

post #65 of 106
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Upgrayedd - be careful when you buy any MGM Blus - you mentioned The Terminator earlier in this thread, and that disc is atrocious. MGM has done some really shitty Blus in an attempt to exploit their library and get their shit on shelves. They'll do better transfers eventually, but it'll take time. Avoid Rocky, RoboCop and The Terminator like the plague. Each of those titles has MGM DVD editions that actually look superior to the Blu (the "Skynet Edition" of T2, however, is breathtaking).

Good news about the Terminator. Somewhere there has been a complete remaster done, it's just waiting for MGM to release it stateside. Also I don't think Robocop actually looks worse on blu-ray. Don't get me wrong it's not where it needs to be but not worse. Can't speak for Rocky though. Some people (not me) complain about the skynet edition claiming it's been DNR'ed to death.

post #66 of 106

I'll agree on Robocop and Terminator, but Rocky's fine. The film was shot pretty rough. Thats as good as it's gonna look, and as pretty as it should look. The roughness works.

 

And as for T2, the Skynet edition's gorgeous. Fuck those people.

post #67 of 106

Justin - the two disc special edition DVD of Rocky that MGM released before the Blu has truly superior picture quality. I promise. It remains true to the film's original color palate and grain structure, while offering far more detail.

It's also a MPEG-2 codec encode, which hardly anyone was using for Blu then, and no one is using now. It's far too lossy.

post #68 of 106

And who says the Skynet Edition isn't gorgeous?! They exist?!

post #69 of 106
I'm no tech wizard but how can a DVD look superior to a Bluray, even a shitty one?

And is the Blu of HEAT as bad as they say?
post #70 of 106

HEAT looks fine. Can't think of any reason to slam the blu other than maybe the extras are all SD.

 

The price of Blus are dropping to insane lows, especially if you keep an eye out for deals through Amazon, Fry's, and Best Buy. When I first got a player I told myself I wouldn't be buying titles I already had on DVD. That lasted about a year. No regrets though. I enjoy the hunt.

post #71 of 106
Yeah, in the last month I've bought SCARFACE, THE TOWN DC and CRANK 2, all roughly 5 quid ($7 - 8) or less.
post #72 of 106
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I'm no tech wizard but how can a DVD look superior to a Bluray, even a shitty one?
And is the Blu of HEAT as bad as they say?

Heat looks just fine.

As for the answer to your other question...DVD is forgiving. HD is not. Mastering for the formats requires different techniques and software - and ideally, different codecs (for processing/compressing the image to a file size that will fit on the disc). Additionally, there are techiniques employed to "correct" deficiencies in the image that, when abused, can make the film look like absolute shit. In the case of the above-mentioned MGM titles, it looks as though the DVD masters were used, and they just weren't up to the task. Think of it as if you scaled a tiny jpg up to like...four times its original size. It gets pixellated and "noisy" - and, looks like all around shit. Some of the issues with those discs make it look as though an SD master was used for the HD image. Other parts of the film make it seem like an entirely different - and really messed up - print was used to make the master. The DVD versions are cleaner, clearer, and less dull. The Blus are soft-focused, often too dark, and smoothed out with Digital Noise Reduction, a tool used to remove grain (!) and imperfections that, in the wrong hands, is a tool for evil.

Then, on top of all of that processing, they used the MPEG-2 codec to compress the image - which is the same lossy codec studios use FOR DVDs. Fox did the same thing very early on. There are more than a few sloppy looking discs from the early days of Blu (Sony took such shit for their botched Fifth Element release they did a complete remaster and re-release a few months after the first disc dropped. It's gorgeous).

Probably one of the best (worst?) examples is Predator. The original Blu release was not great. Mastered from a beaten-up print and encoded in MPEG-2, people were pretty disappointed. So Fox did a new version in 2010 - the "Ultimate Hunter" edition. They used a bit of DNR...boosted the contrast artifically, and got rid of the film's grain structure entirely. It's poop. Take a look:

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post #73 of 106
With the right setup, the new sound technologies are a gift from the gods. So action films may benefit a repurchase.
post #74 of 106
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Originally Posted by Jason Pollock View Post

 

Then, on top of all of that processing, they used the MPEG-2 codec to compress the image - which is the same lossy codec studios use FOR DVDs. Fox did the same thing very early on. There are more than a few sloppy looking discs from the early days of Blu (Sony took such shit for their botched Fifth Element release they did a complete remaster and re-release a few months after the first disc dropped. It's gorgeous).

 

Except Kingdom of Heaven, beautiful disc. Alot of the early lionsgate titles have it along with lossy high res sound.

post #75 of 106
Thread Starter 

Just found out they're releasing Heavyweights on Blu-Ray. Haha. I know it's probably not really Blu-Ray worthy but I still love that movie and have decided I'm getting a Blu-Ray player for sure. Both my DVD players I have upstairs here in my loft and in my bedroom are having problems so I'll need to buy a new DVD player anyways. I might as well upgrade to a Blu-Ray player. 

 

Oh and then I was at Best Buy on Saturday and saw Adventures In Babysitting on Blu-Ray. Again, probably not the most stunning movie on Blu-Ray but it's another one of my favorites. 

 

But I will be getting the Indiana Jones box set and the new E.T. and Jaws. I'll get The Amazing Spider-Man, The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises and right now I'll trade in a lot of my comic book DVDs and upgrade to Blu-Ray especially my Batman Begins and The Dark Knight and Star Wars and Back to the Future all this year when I get the player. 

 

Thanks for the warning about Terminator. I was looking at that. I'll be careful with what I buy. 

post #76 of 106

Heavyweights was the tipping point for buying Blu-Ray. I love it.

 

I'll go ahead and say that if you have an internet connection, the only thing you need to invest in are screens and cables. Everything else, my friend, is a money pit.

post #77 of 106

Maybe in ten years.  But for now Blu-ray is still better than streaming or downloads.  Especially if you have a big screen.

 

And in those ten years I can enjoy numerous viewings of THE THIN RED LINE, BLADE RUNNER and MACGRUBER.  (Seriously, check it out, the picture quality is amazing. )

post #78 of 106
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Heavyweights was the tipping point for buying Blu-Ray. I love it.

 

I'll go ahead and say that if you have an internet connection, the only thing you need to invest in are screens and cables. Everything else, my friend, is a money pit.

lmao... I was going to get a Blu-Ray player regardless but when I found out that Heavyweights of all movies was finally being released on Blu-Ray I was really excited. 

post #79 of 106
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The price of Blus are dropping to insane lows, especially if you keep an eye out for deals through Amazon, Fry's, and Best Buy. When I first got a player I told myself I wouldn't be buying titles I already had on DVD. That lasted about a year. No regrets though. I enjoy the hunt.

 

I was the exact same way, save for the "lasted about a year" part. I didn't last 6 months. 

 

The image on the Heat Blu is pretty good, but I think the sound is great. The only real disappointment I've found so far is Goodfellas, which I thought was less than pristine.

post #80 of 106
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But I will be getting the Indiana Jones box set and the new E.T. and Jaws. 

JAWS IS FANTASTIC! The restoration is perfect.

post #81 of 106
Disney movies look so baller in bluray. Just watched Treasure Planet for the first time. Gorgeous doesn't begin to describe it.
post #82 of 106
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Disney movies look so baller in bluray. Just watched Treasure Planet for the first time. Gorgeous doesn't begin to describe it.

 

Seconded. Sleeping Beauty in blu is utterly astonishing. The transfer elevates the film from a mere family cartoon to the level of "genuine work of art that could be appreciated in a museum".

post #83 of 106
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So the new Indiana Jones box set comes out on Blu-Ray this week. I looked at the price and the cheapest I saw it for was $65 at Best Buy. Do you think that will be the cheapest it will be right now or do you think it might drop around Christmas? I'm waiting to get the Blu-Ray player the day or weekend after Thanksgiving and will probably end up buying a ton of Blu-Ray movies that weekend. 

post #84 of 106

Around Thanksgiving that JONES set will be way cheaper somewhere, you just need to keep up with all the deals that pop up around that time.

post #85 of 106

I got an advance copy of the Indy bluRays and they are....Jesus, they look better than most modern releases....especially Crusade.

post #86 of 106
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I bought E.T. on Tuesday. It's my first Blu-Ray movie. I'm still waiting to buy the Blu-Ray player. I heard there's going to be some crazy good deals on Black Friday. 

post #87 of 106
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I heard there's going to be some crazy good deals on Black Friday. 

They might be marginally cheaper in November but there are a plethora of great blu players under $100 right now.  

post #88 of 106
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I bought E.T. on Tuesday. It's my first Blu-Ray movie. I'm still waiting to buy the Blu-Ray player. I heard there's going to be some crazy good deals on Black Friday. 

 

Don't wait for Black Friday, you can get a good player for almost nothing right now...ebay, amazon, best buy whatever.  Cheaper HDTVs are the ones to go after on that day.

post #89 of 106
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I bought E.T. on Tuesday. It's my first Blu-Ray movie. I'm still waiting to buy the Blu-Ray player. I heard there's going to be some crazy good deals on Black Friday. 

Digibook, steelbook or regular?

post #90 of 106
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Digibook, steelbook or regular?

Digibook. 

post #91 of 106
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Digibook. 

Good man, very good man. 

post #92 of 106
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 I'm still waiting to buy the Blu-Ray player. I heard there's going to be some crazy good deals on Black Friday. 

 

Why wait?  Best Buy's deal of the day has a pretty nice player with all the bells and whistles for $55.

post #93 of 106
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Why wait?  Best Buy's deal of the day has a pretty nice player with all the bells and whistles for $55.

Just FYI, I have a Samsung Blu Ray that came with the TV I bought, and I really don't like it. It's slow loading and sometimes won't even play my discs. I'm looking at buying the Sony BDP-S390 , which is affordable, fast loading and made by the creators of the Blu-Ray format.

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Just FYI, I have a Samsung Blu Ray that came with the TV I bought, and I really don't like it. It's slow loading and sometimes won't even play my discs.

Really?  My cousin has a Samsung 3D player from 2010 and it seems to work fine.  Maybe you just got a faulty player, like manufacturely (sure that's a word.)  

 

I use a PS3 myself.

post #95 of 106
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Just FYI, I have a Samsung Blu Ray that came with the TV I bought, and I really don't like it. It's slow loading and sometimes won't even play my discs. I'm looking at buying the Sony BDP-S390 , which is affordable, fast loading and made by the creators of the Blu-Ray format.

did you try a firmware update?

post #96 of 106

Question I can't really find a better place for.

 

Do they even make "full screen" DVDs (much less Blu-rays) anymore? Seems like the new "full screen" is 1.77 or so. "Full screen" used to mean it was cropped or P&S'ed to fit 1.33, but now any "full screen" DVD image is going to sit in the middle of most displays these days, surrounded by bars on the sides. I don't think you could buy a 1.33 display anymore if you wanted to.

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Question I can't really find a better place for.

 

Do they even make "full screen" DVDs (much less Blu-rays) anymore? Seems like the new "full screen" is 1.77 or so. "Full screen" used to mean it was cropped or P&S'ed to fit 1.33, but now any "full screen" DVD image is going to sit in the middle of most displays these days, surrounded by bars on the sides. I don't think you could buy a 1.33 display anymore if you wanted to.

Yeah I don't know if they do. I am glad though that I always bought widescreen DVDs. People thought I was a dick about it until everyone bought new widescreen displays and discovered their DVDs now looked silly. Although what I didn't know anything about was anamorphic widescreen. I was pretty pissed when I popped a DVD in and the movie played in a little rectangle in the middle of the screen. Thankfully this is becoming less of a problem now because more and more things are coming to blu-ray and I can replace them. Thank god I was finally able to replace my non-anamorphic Grosse Pointe Blank disc with a blu-ray. However there are still a couple that piss me off like Ravenous. It really needs a blu-ray and there is no anamorphic DVD around.

 

Although there are technically fullscreen blu-rays for movies that were filmed that way like Gone with the Wind or King Kong.

post #98 of 106

I have Casablanca, Wizard of Oz and Adventures of Robin Hood on Blu, and they're all 1:1.33.

 

Also, Waaaaaaaalt, sorry to answer your question late but I tried upgrading the firmware and it said it was on its more current version.

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I have Casablanca, Wizard of Oz and Adventures of Robin Hood on Blu, and they're all 1:1.33.

 

Also, Waaaaaaaalt, sorry to answer your question late but I tried upgrading the firmware and it said it was on its more current version.

Damn well sorry about that. I have a PS3. I don't play games on it but I stand by it.

post #100 of 106

The sneaky issue to watch out for now is old shot-on-film TV shows getting cropped at the top and bottom to make them fill a 16:9 screen.

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