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post #51 of 83
3/27/12 at 5:49am

And CreepyThinMan seems to be there as well.

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post #52 of 83
3/27/12 at 5:50am

People hate for no reason. Cameron could find the cure for cancer and people will still try to rip into him. Anyway, only Devin looked like the fool in the end.

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post #53 of 83
3/27/12 at 6:12am

Heavens no, someone not falling all over themselves to fellate Cameron for spending lots of money to do something cool.

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post #54 of 83
3/27/12 at 6:19am
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People hate for no reason. Cameron could find the cure for cancer and people will still try to rip into him. Anyway, only Devin looked like the fool in the end.



"Why couldn't a regular Joe find the cure for cancer?!?"

 

Cameron's a Community College dropout and a former truck driver. What a fucking stupid argument. At times like this, I'm so very glad Devin doesn't write here any more.

 

I'd like to believe I'd do something half as constructive and adventurous with wealth as Cameron has. But I suspect I'd be more likely to spend it on a troop of hookers (a gaggle? a flock?) that I would pay to lay on my box springs at night and act as a mattress of boobs.

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post #55 of 83
3/27/12 at 6:19am

To be fair, Devin admits in that debate that he got his ass handed to him.

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post #56 of 83
3/27/12 at 8:30am
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I'd like to believe I'd do something half as constructive and adventurous with wealth as Cameron has. But I suspect I'd be more likely to spend it on a troop of hookers (a gaggle? a flock?) that I would pay to lay on my box springs at night and act as a mattress of boobs.


A pimpery of hookers?

 

 

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post #57 of 83
3/27/12 at 8:35am

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/03/26/how_did_james_cameron_tweet_from_the_bottom_of_the_ocean_.html

 

Cheater!

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post #58 of 83
3/27/12 at 10:11am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthvideo/9168817/James-Camerons-first-footage-from-the-deep.html

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post #59 of 83
3/27/12 at 2:46pm
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Some people in the comments have expressed discomfort that Cameron's expedition represents "privately funded research", focusing on one man teams and not the "collective".  I think some of them have an ingrained, left-leaning distrust of the wealthy - something that I share, and understand in other contexts - that they can't see when someone does something genuinely worthwhile with their privilege.  With the current state of research funding, I actually give Cameron credit for going about this process as cleanly and effectively as he did, not having to deal with institutional roadblocks when his design plans were somewhat questioned.  While an army of Average Joes coming together to accomplish similar things is all good and well, I can't fault someone for doing this themselves.  The guy Devin debated made a fair point:  most "Regular Joes" don't care.  They would balk at seeing more on their taxes if it was going to undersea research.

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post #60 of 83
3/27/12 at 6:56pm

I think it's win/win, until some billionaire stops sharing their findings with the scientific community.

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post #61 of 83
3/28/12 at 2:42am

 

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Heavens no, someone not falling all over themselves to fellate Cameron for spending lots of money to do something cool.


Thing is, as per usual it's Devin jumping at the chance to aloofly sneer at whatever happens to have caught people's imaginations, while getting to indulge in one of his longstanding vendettas at the same time. I suspect it's motivated less by having much of a point and more by being pathologically contrary. What Cameron's doing may be an ego trip and a rich man's lavish hobby, but so far as I'm aware it does no harm and will most likely do some good. So what's wrong with people finding it pretty cool?

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post #62 of 83
3/28/12 at 2:55am
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So what's wrong with people finding it pretty cool?


Unhappy childhoods.

 

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post #63 of 83
3/28/12 at 3:14am
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Thing is, as per usual it's Devin jumping at the chance to aloofly sneer at whatever happens to have caught people's imaginations, while getting to indulge in one of his longstanding vendettas at the same time. I suspect it's motivated less by having much of a point and more by being pathologically contrary. What Cameron's doing may be an ego trip and a rich man's lavish hobby, but so far as I'm aware it does no harm and will most likely do some good. So what's wrong with people finding it pretty cool?



He actually said at the end of the article that he pretty much got his ass handed to him when he tried to come up with a valid reason for finding the story irritating.

 

I find Devin, who does have pet hates but who also freely admits when his preconceived notions are wrong and who is intensely passionate about the stuff he loves, far less frustrating and weird than those who just have to continually go after the guy.

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post #64 of 83
3/28/12 at 8:16am
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I find Devin, who does have pet hates but who also freely admits when his preconceived notions are wrong

No, he doesn't. He just gets off on insulting things he knows people like that weren't his personal 'thing' without giving them a fair chance. It amuses him to watch people get annoyed when he dismisses stuff unfairly. Like when he puts down "Star Trek: The Next Generation" at every opportunity, calling it inferior to "Star Trek" (because he grew up loving that).

 

Then he justifies his hate by citing the awful first season (which even fans of the show don't like) and maybe a weak later episode. When people recommend great episodes to watch from the show's peak years, he ignores them. He did the same thing with the American Office, which he hates for the same reason, because it's not 'his' Office, since he likes the U.K. one.

 

He backed that up by ignoring the best seasons and talking about one of the shitty later episodes. In an article about the recent TMNT news, he said something like "it's funny when people get mad about a terrible cartoon from 20 years ago". Again, I'm sure he bases that judgment on having watched what people would consider some of its better episodes and finding no merit in them.

 

I don't mind when he's really nasty towards a film and appalled by its popularity because it has flaws that he can legitimately explain. I still think he can be a tremendously eloquent critic, and that's why I still read his reviews, even though I think he's a giant douchebag. I just can't stand when he takes shots that are simply obnoxious, both at movies and their fans, clearly for no purpose beyond being a shit disturber.

 

And maybe the best example of his pathological contrariness (by the way, perfect way of describing it there, Paul) is all his shots at the new Batman movies. He jumps at the slightest opportunity to remind everyone that he hates the third act of "Batman Begins" and believes "The Dark Knight" was NOT one of the better comic book movies. It's kind of funny in a pathetic way. Look at his best of 2008 list in which he's obviously straining very hard to find a way to exclude "The Dark Knight", with tactics like ranking movies that didn't even get released that year. rolleyes.gif

 

Regarding this story, I think he just doesn't like Cameron. At first I was glad to see he's one of the few who agrees with me that "Aliens" is vastly inferior to "Alien". He made good points to explain why as well. But then he sabotages his own credibility by letting some bias shade his view. It's yet another opinion most likely influenced by irrational hatred towards someone or something popular.


Edited by Naisu Baddi - 3/28/12 at 8:42am
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post #65 of 83
3/28/12 at 8:21am

You think we'd be talking about him and BAD would be getting the hits it's getting if he was all, "Yay Dark Knight!!" like 99% of the other sites out there?

 

I'm not saying his contrariness is a calculated act, but it certainly isn't bad for business.

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post #66 of 83
3/28/12 at 8:26am

That post makes me feel like I'm working in a comic shop again.

 

EDIT: Directed towards Baddi here.

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post #67 of 83
3/28/12 at 8:30am

He dislikes Cameron so much that in a recent article on 3D he included him in the same breath as Spielberg and Scorsese, refering to them as masters of their craft.

 

He spent months dreading both X-MEN: THE LAST STAND and Abrams' STAR TREK, and yet he was positive about both of them. He readily admits to liking THE DARK KNIGHT - just not as much as its angry fans wanted him to. He went gaga over INCEPTION, a movie from a man who he supposedly wanted to tear down at every turn. I think that, when he was on the boards, he took a certain amount of pleasure in needling people, but I think a large amount of the continued hatred for him/obsession with his doucheyness is down to the fact that he not only doesn't like a lot of sacred nerd properties, he can also explain *why* he doesn't like them in ways that fans find hard to argue with.

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post #68 of 83
3/28/12 at 8:30am

Having gotten so much shit for preferring Fantastic Four to Batman Begins because of the third act must compel him to keep picking at that scar. 

 

I know I would.  Just as I would probably keep ragging on TDK mostly to balance out the crazy fanlove that movie gets.  And I love TDK!

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post #69 of 83
3/28/12 at 8:38am

I just had to get all of that out. I've been holding on to it for a long time. In fact, I originally joined the forum just to do a huge rant on Devin, but I put it off and then forgot about it. This thread reminded me. Anyway, now that I've finally got that off my chest, I'll try to go back to being more restrained in general.

 

Like I said, I'm always impressed when he can give an eloquent explanation of why he doesn't like something. That's why I still get addicted to his writing sometimes, even though I find him obnoxious. A lot of the time, my problem isn't even that I disagree with him. I just disagree with the unnecessary snarky comments he peppers his writing with. I'm not a huge fan of "The Dark Knight" either. I even agree with some of his criticisms about it. I just find it infuriating how he so clearly badmouths it just to be 'different'. I apologize for the derail.

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post #70 of 83
3/28/12 at 8:44am

Devin walks a fine line with this borderline trolling stuff, but ultimately he ends up generating some pretty compelling discussions.  I'm all for it.  People need to get thicker skins.  

 

Also, kudos to Cameron.  The Abyss is one of my all-time favorites, and I hope this dive inspires more undersea adventures in Avatar 2 or whatever the hell he's working on next.  

 

 

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post #71 of 83
3/28/12 at 8:56am

Please show me on the doll where Devin Faraci touched you...

 

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A message for people that still live in the shadow of Faraci: I know there's such a thing as a phantom limb, but phantom butthurt over some guy on the internet (who I promise doesn't think about you at all) is something that needs to be left alone and forgotten. I really do mean that in the nicest, healthiest way.

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post #72 of 83
3/28/12 at 9:22am

I always thought this place should've had a Devin recovery thread where everyone let out whatever brooding resentment and grudges they had to sit on back when he was modding this place with an iron fist. My turn my turn!!

 

My view has always been: Devin in sincere, enthusiastic and/or analytical mode (even when being critical) = excellent. Devin in snide, sneering-from-his-high-horse, trolling mode = insufferable. I tended to find there was very little overlap between the two.

 

To his credit his actual opinions at the core of everything have always been genuine and justified, but as a master of passive aggression he was able to push people's buttons the way he wanted while always being able to fall back on those original reasonable opinions. Typical Devin shitstorm trajectory tended to go: start with a reasonable, if divisive opinion; bring up the topic again and again, dialing up the innuendo and snide implications more and more until those who disagree get riled up and come out of the woodwork to fight back; when people get angry enough dial it all back and pull the "Who, me? My opinions are totally level headed and well reasoned. *You're* the unreasonable ones here - look how mad you're all getting. Oh woe is me with these haters following me around" innocent act. I got really sick of this after seeing it play out for about the 20th time.

 

To be fair his writing on the new site tends to be a lot mellower and less annoying than the last year or two before Chud ended.

 

Oh shit sorry the site's still running isn't it

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post #73 of 83
3/28/12 at 9:24am
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I always thought this place should've had a Devin thread so everyone can let out whatever brooding resentment they had to sit on back when he was modding this place with an iron fist. My turn my turn!!

 


That's what the chat room was for!

 

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post #74 of 83
3/28/12 at 9:42am

 

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To be fair his writing on the new site tends to be a lot mellower and less annoying than the last year or two before Chud ended.

 

Oh shit sorry the site's still running isn't it


Shut down the Devin talk, this thread is about to devolve drastically.

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post #75 of 83
3/28/12 at 10:20am

I don't want to devolve the thread, but I just need to say that the only time I think about devin is when others bring him up.  I hated the guy's completely transparent behavior when he was here, but he's just some random internet personality I've never met and have no desire to.  So let's just never bring him up, yes?

 

Carry on.

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post #76 of 83
3/28/12 at 11:34am

 


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That's what the chat room was for!

Aw I never knew. A few years of biting my tongue all for nothing.

 

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I don't want to devolve the thread, but I just need to say that the only time I think about devin is when others bring him up.  I hated the guy's completely transparent behavior when he was here, but he's just some random internet personality I've never met and have no desire to.

 

Ha, same with me, sorry. But it can be fun to visit an old windmill for one last tilt, just for old times sake.

 

 

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So let's just never bring him up, yes?

Carry on.


Indeed.

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post #77 of 83
3/28/12 at 11:35am
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I don't want to devolve the thread, but I just need to say that the only time I think about devin is when others bring him up.  I hated the guy's completely transparent behavior when he was here, but he's just some random internet personality I've never met and have no desire to.  So let's just never bring him up, yes?

 

Carry on.


I agree, everything that involves Devin and Chud is settled and done, so lets not go there.

Back to Cameron's great dive, I have to admit that this stunt of his takes some serious balls; I wouldnt get on that tin can for all the money on the world, judging from the horrible, horrible death you would get if the thing has any malfunction.

Plus, im still convinced there's gotta be some monster of sorts deep underwater out there.

 

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post #78 of 83
3/28/12 at 11:43am
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I think death would be instantaneous in that case (or at least fairly quick), so at least there would probably be minimal suffering to be had.  If Cameron went out in that way, dying in an imploding submersible at incredible depths below the surface isn't the worst thing to have in your obituary.  It's certainly unique.

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post #79 of 83
3/28/12 at 12:02pm

Only if he does Michael Bein's scream from The Abyss right as it's imploding.

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post #80 of 83
3/28/12 at 12:08pm

I didn't know Avatar 2 takes place in Pandora's oceans...I wonder if Cameron is going totally practical with the water, ala The Abyss...if so, man oh man is that gonna be a tough shoot.

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post #81 of 83
3/30/12 at 5:38pm

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/things-you-didnt-know-about-titanic

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post #82 of 83
3/30/12 at 9:19pm
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I'd like to believe I'd do something half as constructive and adventurous with wealth as Cameron has. But I suspect I'd be more likely to spend it on a troop of hookers (a gaggle? a flock?) that I would pay to lay on my box springs at night and act as a mattress of boobs.


Well, ... I now have a new item on my bucket list. Thanks for that!

 

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post #83 of 83
4/19/12 at 9:55am

Asteroid mining next?

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