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Originally Posted by AtomTastic View Post

No, it just shares some of the same "OOZE".


Fixed.

 

post #52 of 80
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

"The Turtles are aliens" is the new "flames on Optimus."


Eh, not really. Flames on Optimus is more of an aesthetic argument, the turtles being aliens pretty much changes the premise of the story. If the characters are aliens, then they're not turtles, they just look like turtles. They're not teen aged and not really ninjas either.


 

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Originally Posted by LaurenOrtega View Post

All I know is I don't want fucking grit or darkness anywhere near this. And I swear to god I'll fucking fistfight anybody who thinks otherwise.



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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post

A gritty take on TMNT?  Just stop and think about what you are asking for.  

 



The original comic book?

 

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I think they kill Shredder in the first issue.

 

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post #53 of 80

Wasn't that grittiness in and of itself something of a joke? And aren't Turtles fanboys ashamed of making Transfans look well-adjusted?

post #54 of 80
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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather View Post

Wasn't that grittiness in and of itself something of a joke?



I believe so, yes. At least it was initially. I think later issues lightened up quite a bit, but it didn't completely drop the grittiness, although maybe that's not the best word for it. I think it was still slightly violent. My point is it wasn't always set up as a goofy story, so a more gritty TMNT wouldn't be totally out of place.

 

 

 

post #55 of 80

Yes, it would. It really, really would. The harder edge of the original comics was there to further highlight the absurdity of the premise. When the Turtles went from being a piss-take to a global franchise the grit stopped being appropriate.

post #56 of 80

Intentional satire or not, the original turtles were dark and gritty.  It's what got me interested as a fan to begin with.  The concept was silly as hell, but they played it with a straight face.  It was a comic for a more mature audience.   The TMNT comics mocked other comics for being commercial trash, while also attempting to show them how it's done.  The show was its own beast, but ultimately, it betrayed the point of the comics.  It became the very thing the comics were mocking.

 

Is there a rule when fans are considered reasonable regarding how faithful they want an adaptation or revival to be?  Just curious because some of this site seems to be a bit wishy washy on the subject.  Pardon my snark.  I don't mean to come off as being on the attack.  I just see many people on here get pissed when something doesn't resemble it's original incarnation, but on this topic a few of us are considered lunatics for desiring something closer to the original material.

 

It's just bizarre to me that this time the minority actually wants something like the original rather than later, commercialized versions of the material.  Frankly, we have gotten four movies (the first of which was the closest to what I would have liked), a "tour", spin-off comics and two cartoons (third on its way).  They have all been silly or fairly jokey.

 

I know it's impossible thinking, but as a fan from the beginning, I would just love to see someone have the balls to take the Turtles to their roots - just once. No party dudes.  No one doing machines.  Just four badass mutants doing their duty with adult themes, death and loss.

 

ETA: I guess I should stop bitching.  Eastman and Laird were eager to make fun of the current comic environment, yet spent no time selling out to the man.  I suppose I can't really respect the original material when the original creators weren't really invested in their own conviction to "begin" with. I suppose I have just romanticized my history with the original comics too much.

post #57 of 80

You're arguing for a multimillion dollar movie about mutant turtles fighting ninjas and monsters to be straight-faced, adult and full of death and loss. Putting aside the inherent silliness of that for a second, AND the fact that what works on a comic page would probably come across as po-faced nonsense in action, the economic consequences of Platinum Dunes following your train of thought would be disastrous.

post #58 of 80

The one thing that upsets me is that, with Bay behind this as producer, I fear a sexual/scatological element will emerge. The Transformers were just regular cartoon creations until Bay had them with robot scrotums, pissing on humans and gawking at hot girls. I don't want to know what turns Raphael on, but I bet Michael Bay does.

post #59 of 80
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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather View Post

You're arguing for a multimillion dollar movie about mutant turtles fighting ninjas and monsters to be straight-faced, adult and full of death and loss. Putting aside the inherent silliness of that for a second, AND the fact that what works on a comic page would probably come across as po-faced nonsense in action, the economic consequences of Platinum Dunes following your train of thought would be disastrous.


Oh I understand it would be disastrous.  I myself admitted this is property designed to make money, and ideally, the hope is to make it through merchandise and broad appeal.  Doesn't mean I wouldn't love to see that kind of take on it. :)

 

post #60 of 80

I'm very well aware of the original comics, what with the fact that I'm a goddamn nerd and everything. It's more violent than the cartoons, but it's sure as shit not gritty.

 

And considering how even the current Batman franchise has never appealed to much to my comic book sensibilies, I can't imagine anything worse than po-faced fucking turtles prancing around on screen.

post #61 of 80
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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather View Post

Yes, it would. It really, really would. The harder edge of the original comics was there to further highlight the absurdity of the premise. When the Turtles went from being a piss-take to a global franchise the grit stopped being appropriate.



Hang on, so explain the motion picture then, there are a few positive adjectives I can throw that movies way, but I can also throw 'dark' and relatively violent in that direction as well, if not 'gritty'.

 

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post #62 of 80

They're about as gritty as PG films can be, I'll give you that. Given that wd40 specifically namechecked those as part of the move away from the property's roots, though, I don't think the wisecracking, silly, occasionally hardhitting Turtles of the 90s movies were what he was advocating.

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http://teamcoco.com/video/michael-bey-tmnt

 

This is pretty amusing.

post #64 of 80

It doesn't matter what he does with it. Whether you like him or not, Michael Bay is pretty bullet-proof when it comes to tackling 80s toy lines. Transformers has be the only franchise in history where people supposedly HATED the sequel but still turned out in droves for the third one. His name alone will get people into theaters and even the haters will begrudgingly turn out in the guise of "being a fan of the original property" and "hoping he didn't fuck it up too bad." Then they'll leave the theater crying "typical Michael Bay bull shit" but still turn out for Trans4mers and the next TMNT installment. Lather, rinse, repeat.

post #65 of 80

The great divide, of course, is that "people" generally loved the second Transformers films, because most of these "people" have very low quality control. So in spite of how eye-rapingly terrible it was, and how critics and people with taste realized this, most said, THIS IS THE SHIT GIVE ME MORE. Such is the power of Michael Bay - aiming low and hitting the FUCK out of that target.

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I'm very well aware of the original comics, what with the fact that I'm a goddamn nerd and everything. It's more violent than the cartoons, but it's sure as shit not gritty.

 
 

What does "gritty" mean anyway?

 

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Transformers has be the only franchise in history where people supposedly HATED the sequel but still turned out in droves for the third one. 


Star Wars

 

post #67 of 80

STAR WARS has its own rules, not the least of which is a cultural cache the likes of which TRANSFORMERS can only dream about.

post #68 of 80

The Hits just keep on coming.

 

Apparently it'll just be called NINJA TURTLES.

post #69 of 80

Why are they even turtles? Do they need to be ninjas? Oh fuck it, let's just call it BUBBLE GUPPIES.

post #70 of 80

Were they really THAT obviously teenaged in past incarnations? Was there an issue of the comic where Raph disappeared for three days at a time after learning how to masturbate or something?

post #71 of 80

They were often silly and impulsive, but they didn't really play the teenage thing down to the exact details, no. Maybe Raphael and Michelangelo.

post #72 of 80

As inconsistent/contradictory as my demands and complaints have been; I don't care if they call it Ninja Turtles.  Trying to be too hip?  Sure, but it isn't a deal breaker for me.  On one hand, I want to say that it's like calling John Carter of Mars, John Carter.  However, I think the brand has earned the right to shorten it and people are still going to know exactly what it is.  If I talk about the brand in conversation, I don't say "TMNT" or "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles".  I typically just say "Ninja Turtles".  But, if this means these guys will be adults this time around, I might complain a bit.  Although the Teenage component wasn't verbally acknowledged often, the character growth and decisions were driven by the fact that these fellas were immature on a few different levels.

 

Just make it gritty.  Kidding!

post #73 of 80
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Originally Posted by Gabe T View Post

The great divide, of course, is that "people" generally loved the second Transformers films, because most of these "people" have very low quality control. So in spite of how eye-rapingly terrible it was, and how critics and people with taste realized this, most said, THIS IS THE SHIT GIVE ME MORE. Such is the power of Michael Bay - aiming low and hitting the FUCK out of that target.

 

While the lowest common denominator is certainly a huge factor in the Transformers franchise being successful, I know quite a few people who saw all three films and they are perfectly intelligent and sophisticated movie lovers. Their logic was having a fondness for their franchise as kids and hoping that the third one would fix all the mistakes of the second one. I'm sure there are many people on this board who went to see it for the exact same reasons. The weekend it came out, I made a snarky Facebook post about the movie. The comments section was an interesting divide of intelligent movie lovers who acknowledged they had been duped again and the above-mentioned lowest common denominator. The LCD itself was divided between indignant "Whatever, man, I loved it." replies and "I KNOW, DUDE, WTF, SO STUPID I WAS LMAO, GIRL WAS HOT BUT SO DUMB!" replies. It's interesting. Regardless, Michael Bay can't seem to lose, at least for the foreseeable future.
 

 

post #74 of 80

If they're alien in origin, are they turtles at all? But I guess ALIEN NINJA SEWER DWELLERS wouldn't have the coveted brand recognition.

post #75 of 80

I heard they used to be called "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" in the U.K. because censors didn't like the negative connotations of "ninja". I don't think that sounds so bad. The most important thing is that if you change the word, you replace it with one that has two syllables. cool.gif

 

I've felt bad sort of vicariously for Star Wars and Transformers fans for years now. That's just the kind of guy I am. Those franchises never meant anything to me. I'm just empathetic as a movie nerd. I feel bad for folks who care a lot about a franchise and have to watch it dragged through the mud. It looks like I'll finally get a chance now to experience what those guys went through first hand.

 

The TMNT cartoon was my favourite as a kid (until "Batman: The Animated Series" came along). I'm re-watching it again for the second time and I still love it. It's not the most sophisticated cartoon. It often looks cheaply animated with a lot of blunders like voices coming out of the wrong characters and it can be cheesy.

 

It's not very impressive compared to more refined animated shows like the aforementioned Batman show, but it still means a lot to me. And I still think it was really inspired and clever at times (usually with the villains). I don't know why the 90s movies were ever able to capture its particular brand of magic, but if anyone can make a movie that finally does, it's not Bay. I imagine whatever he shits out will only make those movies look better by comparison.

post #76 of 80
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Originally Posted by Naisu Baddi View Post

I heard they used to be called "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" in the U.K. because censors didn't like the negative connotations of "ninja". I don't think that sounds so bad. The most important thing is that if you change the word, you replace it with one that has two syllables. cool.gif


Very true. And even growing up, we knew it was a blander, de-fanged title.

 

What's the title of this new one going to be tomorrow? Amphibious Creatures of Non-Specific Age and Skillset?

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Very true. And even growing up, we knew it was a blander, de-fanged title.

 

What's the title of this new one going to be tomorrow? Amphibious Creatures of Non-Specific Age and Skillset?



They also took out every scene that included Michaelangelo's nunchuks in the cartoons and the movie. And the ending of the movie was different, I recall Splinter used Donatello's stick to trip Shredder into that wagon.

 

Fucked if I know why though.

 

post #78 of 80

Much, much less so, but I get the impression that non-uhmericans frown upon glorified violence.

 

Interestingly, Europeans (for example) aren't prudes about sex, but uhmericans are.

 

I wholeheartedly support and encourage both equally. :)

 

Then again, I am making assumptions based on personal observations.  I could be way wrong.

post #79 of 80
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They also took out every scene that included Michaelangelo's nunchuks in the cartoons and the movie. And the ending of the movie was different, I recall Splinter used Donatello's stick to trip Shredder into that wagon.

 

Fucked if I know why though.

 


They took out the Nunchuck Duel from the first film?

 

Man, you guys got robbed.

 

post #80 of 80

The nunchucks were a big deal. Even in North America, Michaelangelo was given a grappling hook to replace them towards the end of the cartoon series.

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