In Sanford, Florida, murder is not a crime as long as the victim is African American - Page 23

Sometimes I think that ignorance is the internal "magnetic North" for our species.

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Originally Posted by Parker 

Breaking: New Evidence, Including Photo of Zimmerman the Night of the Shooting:

A Pic like this makes me think he'll get off.  It just takes 1.

Only chance for a guilty verdict is if he testifies.

My God. I searched high and low looking for calm, level headed people to talk about this case with. There are so many racists comments going around, it just breaks my heart the things people are saying. I've been fighting with these morons. Of course, I should know better. You guys are truly a breath of fresh air.

I can see hating people if they stink or anyone in line for Battleshit, but for the color of their skin?  After we rot, our bones are the same color right?  

To be fair to the family, they were probably to distraught that they couldn't stop him from choosing ventriloquism as a career path to pay much attention to his racial politics.

The place I came from is not that way anymore as we had two national events in the last 2 years:

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/mohawk-school-officials-make-changes-after-kkk-pho/nGdjL/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-6194820-504083.html

How things change.

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Originally Posted by jahosive 

I can see hating people if they stink or anyone in line for Battleshit, but for the color of their skin?  After we rot, our bones are the same color right?  

Wow.  You're so naive and innocent, it's sort of adorable.  Common sense should dictate that, regardless of our skin color, we're all the same and it's our actions that define us.  However, human beings are a  close-minded, cowardly bunch who spend their time watching (and learning from) television.  Instead of going out into the world and experiencing life on its own terms, we build fences around others and grow up suspecting everyone that "isn't like us."  Sometimes that fear turns to hate and violence, and it becomes the catalyst for crap like this.  

As I've mentioned before, I don't think Zimmerman went out of his way to "hunt down a blackie," nor do I believe that he's some frothing racist; but you'd have to be an idiot to assume he wasn't motivated by either his suspicions based on race or youth--anti-youth, which is a problem that isn't even nearly being discussed as race--and that he's some kind of innocent in all this. 

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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel 

 

A Pic like this makes me think he'll get off.  It just takes 1.

 

Only chance for a guilty verdict is if he testifies.

Really? The face pic doesn't look that bad at all to me. The back of his head is a little banged up, but compared to killing someone?

The jury selection for this is going to have a lot to do with the verdict, I think (which is unfortunate). If there are 12 white jury members, I'd be more than a little nervous. 

 Was his nose already broken and Trayvon knocked it back into place for him? That picture seriously doesn't look that bad, same with the one of the blood on the back of his head. The head is a very vascular spot and even tiny nicks will bleed for ages.

Welp, see ya!

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Originally Posted by Ska Oreo 

 

As I've mentioned before, I don't think Zimmerman went out of his way to "hunt down a blackie," nor do I believe that he's some frothing racist; but you'd have to be an idiot to assume he wasn't motivated by either his suspicions based on race or youth--anti-youth, which is a problem that isn't even nearly being discussed as race--and that he's some kind of innocent in all this. 

Well, by Zim's own admission Trayvon's (young) age was not the issue as he thought Martin was much older.

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Originally Posted by Diva 

 

Well, by Zim's own admission Trayvon's (young) age was not the issue as he thought Martin was much older.

Not entirely true. Zimmerman has given conflicting accounts on this issue. He described Martin as being in his late teens on the 911 call, yet when he testified during the bond hearing, he said he thought Martin was "a little bit younger than I am". Sounds to me like he's trying to retcon a narrative in which Martin appeared more threatening than he actually was.

I never considered this a hate crime. However, I do think Zimmerman is hiding something. I believe he was on a power trip. I'm not saying there was no fight between them. I do believe Trayvon was freaked out and punched Zimmerman. When Martin punched him, I believe Zimmerman then fell back, hit his head and that was how he got those wounds to the back of his head. 

Those injuries don't look life threatening and if his head was actually slammed onto the pavement numerous times, I believe he would have had larger gashes than those.  Not only that, but the shit Zimmerman claims Trayvon was saying "You're going to die tonight" sounded like something he made up just to justify his actions. "You got it" is like a "You won. Lucky you, cause I was going to kill you".  I don't think he is lying because he is a cold blooded killer, I think he did it because he is scared. He went too far and he knew it. I don't know. I could be wrong but it just doesn't make sense to me. 

By the way, I apologize for just jumping in. I usually check out the boards but don't post. I'm really into the case, mostly because there are so many feeble minded assholes who are just bashing the kid because of the color of his skin and It sincerely pisses me off. 

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Originally Posted by Bailey 

And very forgetful? :P

 

Hey, great minds think alike...

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Originally Posted by Kristin Muccini 

 I don't know. I could be wrong but it just doesn't make sense to me. 

The problem with Zimmerman's testimony is that it's just way "too neat."  Yeah, I know I sound like some asshole who has watched too many episodes of Law and Order, but everything in that testimony basically let's Zimmerman get off scottfree.

1. Despite giving chase to Martin, Zimmerman claims that he gave up looking for him and went home, basically absolving him of any wrongdoing because he stopped contact.

2. Martin approached Zimmerman while his back was turned.  This makes Martin the clear aggressor as well as make Zimmerman a victim

3. Martin proceeds to attack Zimmerman and repeatedly bash his head against the concrete, making it so that his life was "in danger"

4. Zimmerman claims that Martin, while he was viciously beating him, openly stated his intentions of murdering him and went for his gun, pretty much driving the point home that Zimmerman was going to die.

Really, there's just way too many unanswered questions here and I don't believe that Martin went into some "Marijuana-induced" fury, and in the heat of the moment decided upon ending a man's life.  

Were their traces of drugs in Zimmerman's system? Oh... they didn't check.

Trayvon had THC in his system! MY GOD! He clearly was hopped up on dope and the aggressor! And, by the way, let us not--as a nation--test the white trigger-man for any drugs or alcohol in his system! That might implicate him further! Can't let this outstanding white citizen go to jail for chasing down a black teen in a gated community and putting a bullet through the kid's heart--all after being told not to chase him and not to get out of his car by a 911 dispatcher! Thank the Heavens Zimmerman (no Bob Dylan) had the great wit to ignore that advice, otherwise that Trayvon kid would still be enjoying life all hopped up on dope and getting some skittles for munchies! No, we can't have it as a nation, by God..."Just Say No!"

And to the character of Zimmerman...I'll tell you, how outstanding! On tape to 911 and for the record, muttering something that sounds really close to, "Fucking 'coons!" Yes, those "'coons!" Such a danger to the white man! They're all in power and about to enslave the white man! And Zimmy boy also can be heard declaring on the 911 tape something to the effect, "They're always getting aways with it!" By God, he's right! That OJ Simpson! Killing a white woman! And, of course, they're are so many more examples of black murders getting off for murder...I just won't cite anymore, by GOD, I can't remember another one they're so many!

I could go on and on! On behalf of Zimmy boy, "God bless [White] America!"

Most boneheaded response I keep seeing to posts like that? "Well, I mean, it was only a 911 DISPATCHER. Technically you don't have to do what they say." 

"God Bless you Zimmerman! Thank you!" (All these people are thanking him. What the FUCK are they thanking him for?)

"Wow. Hearsay. Not relevant. But then, perhaps she had a drug problem as well?" (Regarding Trayvon's girlfriend's testimony)

"There you have it! All of you libs owe Zimmerman an apology! Drop the charges!" (Regarding Trayvon's autopsy reports discovering THC in his system)

Some of these Zimmerman supporters literally scare the shit out of me and what's worse is they breed. Some are rude and cold hearted with their stereotypical and racist responses and then there are those who just sound like complete morons. I don't give a shit if the kid smoked pot. That doesn't mean he deserved to die. The "Thank you's" and the pats on the back need to stop. The man took a life, a young life at that and some people actually think it's no big deal." Act a thug. Die a thug." "It's good to know someone is cleaning up the streets my children play on" They say people rushed to judgment about Zimmerman, well people also rushed to judgment about Trayvon and the poor dude can't even defend himself. 

A very detailed article about how difficult it is to determine who's voice is screaming for help on the 911 audio. Two experts come to very different conclusions.
 

Ska, you're so right about that. His story is “too neat”. I also noticed during his bond hearing that whenever his past crimes were brought up, it always seemed to be someone else's fault. He should have his own slogan:

Zimmerman: There’s an excuse for that

There is something about his father. The judge. He seems a bit self centered. 

“‘It just seems like it's an avalanche and I'm standing at the bottom of it,’ Robert Zimmerman said.”

Not “My family is standing at the bottom of it”

Not “My son’s standing at the bottom of it”

No, its “I’M standing at the bottom of it”

Is it me?

Also, didn't Zimmerman's father hunker down with the news and foolishly recount exactly what happened to his son, right down to Martin taunting him with "You're gonne die tonight!"? Will this obviously contradictory and total bullshit statement be used in court? Once again, shouldn't a judge KNOW better? 

It seems to me they were just so sure they'd get away with this that they're just being sloppy, sloppy, sloppy. 

and the waters get muddied further

Witnesses Change Accounts, Which Could Hurt Zimmerman

Are you guys all deathly afraid of roving gangs of black kids, ruthlessly beating up white people?  No?

Then you must not be a conservative pundit!

http://gawker.com/5912132/are-you-prepared-for-the-race-war

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/in-conservative-media-a-race-war-rages

  This morning I read Pat Buchanan's coloum about this case. He noted that Zimmerman had some injuries, and Martin had THC in his system.  Most of story he chastises Liberals for fanning the flames with cries of racism, and what a shame it is that Zimmerman could spend life in prison for acting in self defense. Of course he left out that the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman not to pursue Matrin, that Zimmerman said fucking coons on the call, and that an officer on the scene said Zimmerman should have been charged with manslaughter. When I read that Zimmerman had some injuries, my first thought is that the kid he was stalking fought back.

   In case anyone is wondering why I read something written by a noted asshole like Buchanan; its because I know someone who refers to him as the smartest man in the room. I need proof that he isn't.

A wise man knows his enemies better than his friends.  

There's really not much you have to know about Pat Buchanan in all honesty.

I bet you can't have a discussion about LEGO without him breaking out into a racist/sexist tirade.

I've have arguments with the right propaganda regurgitating idiot (hard not to living in the south) and nothing shuts them up quicker than if you already know the argument they are going for.  That was when I used to enjoy my summers at the apartment complex pool.  Those days are long gone and all I need to know is that I don't need to know about Buchanan anymore.

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Originally Posted by Kristin Muccini 

If I was ever attacked, I would go for the balls or the head. The goal: Beat the guy unconscious the best I can and get the hell out of there. I think Trayvon had the same plan.

Thank god we're spared media pictures of Zimmerman's balls. 

I thought you could see them under his neck

I have noticed that some guys are quite respectful of the genital area during a fight. It’s like an unwritten code between men. The balls are a no, no. But that’s a fight. Some dudes have to be shitting their pants scared to resort to kicking another man in the balls. Zimmerman even admitting being bruised in the willy would be proof of guilt beyond reasonable doubt! (No, I’m not serious)

I don’t think his wounds look as serious as his family made them out to be. Trayvon could have slammed his head once as an attempt to restrain Zim and since he did it once, Zimmerman didn't’t think of it as a big deal to exaggerate the count. Some people actually think that way: It doesn't matter if the truth was stretched, technically, it still happened, so it’s okay. (It's not)  I do believe, when I read the article Mr. Banana there posted , one of the witnesses at first thought Trayvon was doing some “mixed martial arts” while he was on top of Zim, but now he believes Trayvon was trying to keep him pinned down. That could be bad for Zimmerman, but it could also be bad for the Prosecution because already I'm hearing people cry "Witness tampering".  

Un-Fucking-Believable. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/23/george-zimmerman-sanford-police_n_1541250.html

So, let me get this straight: Three days...THREE DAYS...After murdering this kid, he just strolls into a police station all "How do you do?"

Can you HONESTLY say, had the situations been reversed, that Martin would be allowed anywhere NEAR a police station unless he was in chains? 

Fuck him. He probably thought he was home free. No remorse in the slightest. I hope he rots.

Don't police officers have to see therapists after they (even justifiably) shoot someone? Because it's, you know, traumatic. 

Tramatic for everyone else except Zimmerman it seems. I'm not saying he is a sociopath, but he shows no remorse whatsoever. I would expect at least a little emotion, espicially with that "apology" he gave out at his bond hearing.

George Zimmerman is a little bitch, as we would say around these parts.

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Originally Posted by Zhukov 

George Zimmerman is a little bitch, as we would say around these parts.

Earth?

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Originally Posted by MikeI 

Don't police officers have to see therapists after they (even justifiably) shoot someone? Because it's, you know, traumatic. 

Here's where I can chime in with some perspective. Here's what my father--a police officer for almost 30 years--had to go through when he shot and killed a man who attacked him with a 13" butcher knife:

1) His gun was taken from him and placed into evidence.

2) He was immediately tested for any drugs or alcohol in his system.

3) He was read his Miranda rights and placed under arrest, because even when a cop shoots someone, it has to be determined the how's and why's and according to the law, until that's determined the guy doing the shooting is detained. They did everything short of handcuffing him and putting him in a cell.

4) He was placed on leave, then on office duty until such a time as

5) He had to see a therapist to determine his mental well-being, as well the after effects of taking a life

6) A grand jury then reviews the case and has to determine that the officer was indeed acting in self-defense and no crime was committed.

The whole thing took three months. On top of my dad actually being a trained officer of the law, he fired ONE shot. And this was a much more cut and dried case--he was responding to a domestic disturbance call (the husband had suffered a straight up break with reality and was actively trying to kill his wife, who was hiding, bleeding, in her bathroom), when he went into the house the husband came at him with a butcher knife. My father ordered him to drop the knife, the guy lunged, my dad fired. And he's still dealing with it, almost four years later. He knows he just did what he had to do in order to protect himself, but it still eats at him. 

George Zimmerman, who shot a kid with no weapon on his person and wasn't an officer of the law, went through NONE of these steps. That's some bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Greg Clark 

 

Here's where I can chime in with some perspective. Here's what my father--a police officer for almost 30 years--had to go through when he shot and killed a man who attacked him with a 13" butcher knife:

 

1) His gun was taken from him and placed into evidence.

2) He was immediately tested for any drugs or alcohol in his system.

3) He was read his Miranda rights and placed under arrest, because even when a cop shoots someone, it has to be determined the how's and why's and according to the law, until that's determined the guy doing the shooting is detained. They did everything short of handcuffing him and putting him in a cell.

4) He was placed on leave, then on office duty until such a time as

5) He had to see a therapist to determine his mental well-being, as well the after effects of taking a life

6) A grand jury then reviews the case and has to determine that the officer was indeed acting in self-defense and no crime was committed.

 

The whole thing took three months. On top of my dad actually being a trained officer of the law, he fired ONE shot. And this was a much more cut and dried case--he was responding to a domestic disturbance call (the husband had suffered a straight up break with reality and was actively trying to kill his wife, who was hiding, bleeding, in her bathroom), when he went into the house the husband came at him with a butcher knife. My father ordered him to drop the knife, the guy lunged, my dad fired. And he's still dealing with it, almost four years later. He knows he just did what he had to do in order to protect himself, but it still eats at him. 

 

George Zimmerman, who shot a kid with no weapon on his person and wasn't an officer of the law, went through NONE of these steps. That's some bullshit.

They did more to your dad than the cops did to Zimmerman.

Thanks for sharing that, Greg. I know several people who need to read that post.

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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer 

Thanks for sharing that, Greg. I know several people who need to read that post.

Yeah, that's some great perspective there.  While I too know several people who should read that post, let's be honest; probably at least half the country should read that post.

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Originally Posted by yt 

I really hope there's a reckoning, not just for Zimmerman but for all the people who are sticking their fingers in the air and defending this travesty.

Actually I think they're sticking their fingers in their ears.  Which is kind of impressive considering their heads are up their asses.

on a similar 'law & order' tangent...

I'm beginning to think that certain legal/law enforcement matters should not be left to the States to implement. 

Texas executed innocent man, claims report on Carlos de Luna

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I've always been against the death penalty for many reasons, including executing innocent people, and even moreso how it's implemented in Texas. 

I have to admit that I conflicted with regards to the death penalty.

I believe that there are some individuals with seriously warped sociopathic personalities on this planet that are beyond any sort of psychological redemption so that if they were executed, the world might very well be a better place....

That being said, the idea of a death penalty should be the considered only after the facts of the case has been researched by a multitude of people and it's been determined the beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty and shows absolutely no remorse for his/her actions.

The death penalty is as serious as it gets and should never be used superficially as it seemingly is in TX. 

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