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post #1251 of 1418
7/16/12 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by Kristin Muccini View Post

 

I don't know what to say about this one...

“Witness 9” claims Zimmerman sexually molested her as a child

 

I was just coming to post this. I listened to the testimony, which is intense and harrowing. It really kind broke me. Of course, Zimmerman's attorney is like "this has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING!" Creep. 

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post #1252 of 1418
7/16/12 at 3:19pm

Well, gross as it is, it doesn't have to do with anything.  Even if there was reason to believe that pedophiles were more likely to commit race-based vigilante shootings, the prosecution isn't allowed to introduce evidence of unrelated crimes to prove propensity to commit crimes.  Unless the idea is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon to cover up his child molestation ring, it's all completely inadmissible in the murder trial.

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post #1253 of 1418
7/16/12 at 4:03pm

It doesn't have anything to do with the crime he's accused of, but it certainly has to do with his character and his credibility as a witness and a defendant. Don't think for a second this isn't going to matter to a jury. 

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post #1254 of 1418
7/16/12 at 4:53pm

That's exactly why it's completely inadmissible.

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post #1255 of 1418
7/16/12 at 5:34pm

"Witness #9" is not just some random person, she is his cousin. I would think she could be considered a good character witness for the Prosecution since there is no doubt that defense will attack Trayvon Martin's character with "proof" from his twitter account

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post #1256 of 1418
7/16/12 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by Kristin Muccini View Post

"Witness #9" is not just some random person, she is his cousin. I would think she could be considered a good character witness for the Prosecution since there is no doubt that defense will attack Trayvon Martin's character with "proof" from his twitter account

 

They won't. It wouldn't make any sense for a defense strategy. That would play right into racial profiling.

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post #1257 of 1418
7/16/12 at 7:59pm

And allow the prosecution to introduce their own character evidence, which again, they otherwise totally cannot do.

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post #1258 of 1418
7/16/12 at 9:32pm
There will be a day in court for the molestation charges. The question on my mind now is: what the fuck was Zimmerman's cousin doing on the jury? How could the prosecution possibly have let that slip through jury selection? DISREGARD THAT
Edited by Reasor - 7/17/12 at 11:03am
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post #1259 of 1418
7/16/12 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

There will be a day in court for the molestation charges. The question on my mind now is: what the fuck was Zimmerman's cousin doing on the jury? How could the prosecution possibly have let that slip through jury selection?

Juror? I thought she was a witness.

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post #1260 of 1418
7/16/12 at 10:14pm
I stand corrected. I could have sworn that I saw her referred to as "Juror #9" by the press. I had it wrong, it's "Witness 9."
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post #1261 of 1418
7/17/12 at 1:41am

I would not want to be in Florida when this piece of shit inevitably gets off.
 

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post #1262 of 1418
7/17/12 at 2:36am
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Witness 9 told investigators that Zimmerman, who is about two years older than her, had sexually molested her from the age of six up until she was 16 years old, CBS Miami reports.

 

 

I'm sure that's a crime, per se, but is that molestation?

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post #1263 of 1418
7/17/12 at 3:17am

Err, yes.
 

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post #1264 of 1418
7/17/12 at 4:17am

Was that a serious question?

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post #1265 of 1418
7/17/12 at 6:00am

Am I understanding that he started molesting her when he was 8? Yikes. Where were the parents on that one.

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post #1266 of 1418
7/17/12 at 6:46am

Future wingnut response: "They were just playing doctor!"

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post #1267 of 1418
7/17/12 at 6:57am

Now you liberals want the government to regulate horseplay!

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post #1268 of 1418
7/17/12 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post

Was that a serious question?

 

Well, it generally isn't child molestation under the law.  An 8 year-old can't commit child molestation, they commit sexual assault.  Which is still a crime, as Dahlia suggested.  Consent is not a defense to molestation, so every game of doctor would be a felony if this were not the case.  

 

Again, this does not make what Zimmerman is accused of okay.  But molestation, by definition, involves an adult and a child.

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post #1269 of 1418
7/17/12 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post

 

Well, it generally isn't child molestation under the law.  An 8 year-old can't commit child molestation, they commit sexual assault.  Which is still a crime, as Dahlia suggested.  Consent is not a defense to molestation, so every game of doctor would be a felony if this were not the case.  

 

Again, this does not make what Zimmerman is accused of okay.  But molestation, by definition, involves an adult and a child.

 

The way I read the question suggested a much uglier thought (they were both kids, so what's the harm)? I apologize, since that's not the case.

 

However, given that the molestation allegedly continued until she was sixteen, that means at some point he became a legal adult while she was still legally a child. So, the molestation charge stands.

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post #1270 of 1418
7/17/12 at 7:25am
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post

Future wingnut response: "They were just playing doctor!"

 

That's EXACTLY what they are saying all while saying it's not relevant to the case. Afterwards, some posters usually remind everyone Trayvon "abused drugs" and  was "Expelled numerous times" from school.

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post #1271 of 1418
7/17/12 at 7:32am

Maybe, maybe not.  This isn't my specialty, but states have various "Romeo and Juliet" clauses that say it isn't statutory rape if the participants are within a couple years in age of each other.  This obviously makes sense because you don't want to criminalize an 18 year-old dating a 17 year-old.  But that's for consensual relationships; I don't know if there's a similar distinction between child molestation and sexual assault when the victim and perpetrator are similar in age.  

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post #1272 of 1418
7/17/12 at 7:42am

Let's hope the fuck there is that distinction. Jesus.

 

This thread makes me sure happy I'm not a lawyer. Just the knowledge of how some of this shit works makes me break out in hives.

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post #1273 of 1418
7/17/12 at 9:57am
Thread Starter 

Even if committed by a minor, it's still molestation.  I'm sure all relevant juvenile law applies, but it is the kind of thing that could involve police and courts, etc.  Also: it's worth noting that generally when a child molests it's because he is being molested himself. 

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post #1274 of 1418
7/17/12 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by yt View Post

Even if committed by a minor, it's still molestation.  I'm sure all relevant juvenile law applies, but it is the kind of thing that could involve police and courts, etc.  

 

It's not, was my point.  But it's a technical distinction, and saying that something is "only" sexual assault doesn't mean it isn't a huge deal.

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post #1275 of 1418
7/18/12 at 1:13pm

Zimmerman & His Wife Spent $36K In 18 Days

 

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With the funds donated, Zimmerman and his wife spent $6,500 on Internet and phone bills, new cell phones for $300 each, paid off a year-long Verizon contract in full, installed a telephone landline for $2,500, spent $1,300 on a two-year AT&T Wi-Fi contract and paid off at least $7,000 in credit card bills. They used $4,378 on automotive expenses, making payments on two car loans while renting another for more than $1,500. Gas: $800. Zimmerman paid off a $3,000 loan to his parents, paid $5,000 for bond, spent $800 at the jail commissary and $600 on jailhouse calling cards. The couple spent about $1,300 on food and $400 on utilities and $1,900 on rent.
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post #1276 of 1418
7/18/12 at 1:17pm

Zimmerman calls the Quran-burning preacher Terry Jones from jail. To ask him not to protest in his favor.

 

http://thegrio.com/2012/07/17/george-zimmerman-called-koran-burning-pastor-terry-jones-from-jail/

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post #1277 of 1418
7/18/12 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post

Zimmerman calls the Quran-burning preacher Terry Jones from jail. To ask him not to protest in his favor.

http://thegrio.com/2012/07/17/george-zimmerman-called-koran-burning-pastor-terry-jones-from-jail/

He says he wants to pray with that racist creep, have Jones come visit him in jail.
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post #1278 of 1418
7/18/12 at 1:30pm

Yeah, Zimmerman is definitely nutballs, just a particularly calculating type of nutballs.

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post #1279 of 1418
7/18/12 at 3:27pm

This was inevitable:

 

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/18/george-zimmerman-fox-news/

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post #1280 of 1418
7/18/12 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post

Zimmerman & His Wife Spent $36K In 18 Days

 

 

There's so much wrong with this it hurts.

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post #1281 of 1418
7/18/12 at 3:40pm

I'm waiting until he buys more guns with that money before I jump out my window.  That will make the impact extra satisfying.

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post #1282 of 1418
7/18/12 at 3:49pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post

Zimmerman & His Wife Spent $36K In 18 Days

 

 

Wow.... It's just stunning.  How did we get to this place where a man kills another man and gets a windfall.  That piece reads like a lottery story.  This guy killed a kid and, in effect, won the lottery.  I wonder if the people who padded Zimmerman's wallet feel sick in their stomachs when they read that?  I'd love to know how that makes them feel.

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post #1283 of 1418
7/18/12 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by yt View Post

 

Wow.... It's just stunning.  How did we get to this place where a man kills another man and gets a windfall.  That piece reads like a lottery story.  This guy killed a kid and, in effect, won the lottery.  I wonder if the people who padded Zimmerman's wallet feel sick in their stomachs when they read that?  I'd love to know how that makes them feel.


The most sickening part of the whole thing are those transcripts of the calls between Zim and his wife, where they're crowing about how this is the best thing that ever happened to them, how it's the start of a whole new life. It's like something out of the Bizarro World.


 

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“After this is all over, you’re gonna be able to have a great life.”

 

“You’re such an amazing role model to people, honey,”

 

 

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post #1284 of 1418
7/18/12 at 4:11pm

More insanity from the phone transcripts:

 

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-jail-phone-calls-diddy-stabbed-him-back-trayvon-martin-video

 

 

 

 

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Zimmerman’s hip-hop connection didn’t stop there. In call #107, Zimmerman's sister tells him that he needs to watch the Eminem video “I Need a Doctor," adding that the video reminds her of their situation.

She says, “The words now mean so much more." Zimmerman replies, “I'm so like Dr. Dre in the video.”
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post #1285 of 1418
7/18/12 at 4:15pm

Am I the only one who believes that Fox News is going to throw a pity party for Zimmerman?

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post #1286 of 1418
7/18/12 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber View Post

More insanity from the phone transcripts:

 

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-jail-phone-calls-diddy-stabbed-him-back-trayvon-martin-video

 

 

 

 

I hope Fox News doesn't find out about his affinity for rap. Everyone knows that music is for thugs decked out in hoodies, slinging iced tea.

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post #1287 of 1418
7/18/12 at 7:57pm

Killing Trayvon Martin was "all part of God's Plan" says George Zimmerman.

Where? Tonight on Fox News, of course.

 

edit: Video Here:

 

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post #1288 of 1418
7/18/12 at 8:21pm

Jeeeeesus.

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post #1289 of 1418
7/18/12 at 8:23pm

I know it's been said before but that warrants saying it again.

 

FUCK YOU Zimmerman....

 

"god's plan" my fucking ass

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post #1290 of 1418
7/18/12 at 8:31pm

Holy crap. A little remorse, dude.

 

"Do you wish you hadn't gotten out of your car?"

 

"Of course I wish that! If I had stayed in my car I wouldn't have shot a guy!"

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post #1291 of 1418
7/18/12 at 8:44pm

HhHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Oh shit..

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post #1292 of 1418
7/18/12 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by Greg Clark View Post

Jeeeeesus.

 

Yep, apparently he's an accomplice as well.

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post #1293 of 1418
7/18/12 at 9:00pm

Gobsmacked.  It's not even hubris, it's just... glazed-over stupidity.

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post #1294 of 1418
7/18/12 at 9:35pm

My question is, can they use this in the case? I mean, if the charge is second degree murder hand he's sitting there going on national TV saying he wouldn't do a single thing differently and that he has absolutely no regrets, that kinda makes you think that it wasn't an accident or self defense, right? That he feels that Trayvon should have died no matter what, even before he got out of the car. I mean...fuck! Come on!

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post #1295 of 1418
7/18/12 at 10:58pm
Yeah, that's a confession. It would be amazing if Sean Hannity was the guy that got this narcissistic creep an appointment with Ol' Sparky.
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post #1296 of 1418
7/18/12 at 11:04pm

Scared the shit out of my roommates by yelling at the television when I heard that "God's Plan" line.

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post #1297 of 1418
7/18/12 at 11:58pm

I'm surpirised your all not hitting on this bit

 

Q: "Do you feel you wouldn't be here for this interview if you didn't have a gun"

 

A: "No sir"

 

So in another words Zimmerman is admitting that his life was never in danger.

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post #1298 of 1418
7/19/12 at 1:27am

If he isn't hung out to dry after this shit, America deserves to go down in flames.
 

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post #1299 of 1418
7/19/12 at 4:33am
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Originally Posted by DerekT View Post

I'm surpirised your all not hitting on this bit

 

Q: "Do you feel you wouldn't be here for this interview if you didn't have a gun"

 

A: "No sir"

 

So in another words Zimmerman is admitting that his life was never in danger.

 

I think we're giving him a pass for not being able to navigate Hannity's crappy double negative question. That and he answered every question, "No, sir." Because he's just sooooo damn respectful.

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post #1300 of 1418
7/19/12 at 5:54am

He didn't know about SYG. I find that hard to believe since he stated it loud and clear after the shooting"I shot the guy in self defense!!" And now some posters on CNN would like to remind us all that the Martin's copyrighted their son's name cause they just want a paycheck....as they throw more money at Zimmerman so his wife can have a spa day this weekend

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