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post #1 of 7710
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The story of Trayvon Martin's murder makes me so angry and ill I'm shaking.  Below is the text from a petition demanding justice for this innocent kid gunned down in cold blood by a maniac whom the Sanford Police Dept. didn't even bother arresting.  Please sign it!
 

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17 year old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed while walking home from a convenience store on the evening of February 26th. The shooter, George Zimmerman, was the neighborhood watch captain. Zimmerman, a 200 pound 28 year old with a history of violence,  claimed self defense although Trayvon Martin, with no criminal history, had nothing more than candy and an iced tea in his hands. George Zimmerman remains free.

That's why I signed a petition to Pam Bondi, Florida Attorney General and Eric Holder, U.S. Attorney General, which says:

"George Zimmerman's shooting of Trayvon Martin, an African American teenager, reveals a history of racism in Sanford, FL that has stubbornly refused to die. Weeks after the shooting, the Sanford police department is slow to release details of the shooting and, more surprisingly, has not arrested George Zimmerman, a man who has a history of violence.

We urge you to sign this petition to protect private citizens from gun violence and inept law enforcement. Florida's Attorney General Pam Bondi must step in and provide justice for Trayvon Martin, his family, and the community."

Will you sign this petition? Click here:

http://signon.org/sign/justice-for-trayvon-martin?source=s.em.cp&r_by=268300

Thanks!

 

 

post #2 of 7710

Signed it this morning. Truly disgusting. An inexcusable and cold-blooded murder. 

post #3 of 7710

There's also a petition on Change.org: http://www.change.org/petitions/prosecute-the-killer-of-our-son-17-year-old-trayvon-martin

 

If you want to get even angrier, listen to the 911 tapes. They're bone-chilling.

post #4 of 7710

Disgusting.

 

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post #5 of 7710
Thread Starter 

I'll sign that one too.  You know, on the radio, Randi Rhodes was playing the 911 tapes but I had to turn it off.  I cannot f*&^ing believe that this #$@hole is not behind bars, along with whomever in the Sanford PD told him he could just run along home, along with Jeb Bush who signed the "stand your ground" law or whatever the &^%( it's called that legalizes murder in Florida.

 

 

post #6 of 7710

"Hey man, we don't know the whole story here. I mean, c'mon, traditionally blacks are violent, and if you see one walking around late at night, well, most of time they're up to something dangerous, ya know? I mean, I'm sure if the police let him go then his story checks out. This is just another case of blacks whining. What about this totally unrelated story about a black guy killing a white guy, huh? Huh?"

 

Sorry, figured I'd fill in the average ignoramus response since we seem to be lacking them at CHUD. (Yet another reason I frequent these forums) It astounds me that there are actually people who will bend over backwards to come up with some kind of narrative that isn't "racist murders teenager and gets away with it." 

post #7 of 7710

911 Calls Prove Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense. 

 

You can hear the poor kid crying for help in the background. And the 911 tapes that features Zimmerman has the 911 operator to stop following Martin, which he ignores, saying "these assholes always get away." Fucking maniac. 

 

 

 

I've been reading and spreading the word about this for a week. Unbelievable and absolutely disgusting. 

post #8 of 7710

I can't even put how angry this makes me into words. How in the hell does this even happen in this day and age? It seems glaringly obvious that Zimmerman should have been arrested immediately.

post #9 of 7710

Zimmerman has logged dozens of calls to 911 too, most of the "hey, there's a black guy walking around" variety.  And he's also the one with a previous arrest on his record, not Martin.  He's basically a some douche who thinks being on the neighborhood watch makes him some kind of goddamn super-hero or something.

 

Reverse the ethnicity of the people in this incident and how much you want to bet the black shooter is in jail right now?

post #10 of 7710

Signed both.

post #11 of 7710

Yup, signed.

post #12 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

Zimmerman has logged dozens of calls to 911 too, most of the "hey, there's a black guy walking around" variety.  And he's also the one with a previous arrest on his record, not Martin.  He's basically a some douche who thinks being on the neighborhood watch makes him some kind of goddamn super-hero or something.

 

Reverse the ethnicity of the people in this incident and how much you want to bet the black shooter is in jail right now?



He also has a history, with the Sanford police denied initially and cited to the Martin family as part of their reason in not arresting Zimmerman---not that it matters at all. I mean, it's not like Martin didn't have a history of criminal offense also. But he's dead because he's black and this Travis Bickle motherfucker is walking around free. 


Edited by Parker - 3/19/12 at 4:47pm
post #13 of 7710

 

Originally Posted by Parker View Post it's not like Martin didn't have a history of criminal offense either.


It's exactly like that, actually.

 

More fun times: turns out that the Sanford PD actually has had something of a troubled history with racial tension.

 

Oh, and think you can't get angrier? Because you totally can!

 

 

"The hysteria, the media circus, it's just crazy," Lee told the Orlando Sentinel. "It's the craziest damn thing I've ever seen, and it's sad. It's sad for the city of Sanford, the police department, because I know in my heart we did a good job."

 

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post #14 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Whiteboy Jones View Post

 


It's exactly like that, actually.

 

 

 

 

I know, dude. Sarcasm. 

 

Edited to add: I realize that what I wrote is confusing. I should have written "also" rather than "either." 

post #15 of 7710

One of the witnesses has also said she was "corrected" by an officer that she did not hear Martin call for help, but Zimmerman.  That 911 call pretty much puts that to rest.

post #16 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Art Decade View Post

Disgusting.

 

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Why would you do that to me?

 

Though agreed all around. You think this stuff couldn't happen in this day and age, but jesus...

post #17 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Wayward_Woman View Post

Why would you do that to me?

 

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Don't fret, luv. You've got a seat on the Ark.

post #18 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Art Decade View Post

Disgusting.

 

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The way the rest of the country is going, I might not have a problem with this.

post #19 of 7710

I may have blown a blood vessel in rage.

post #20 of 7710

Geez, even a douchebag actual policeman from (was it?) Seattle gets in some trouble for gunning a well known old, deaf wood carver in cold blood (after enormous public outcry).

Down south you only have to be in the neighborhood watch and you shoot who you like.  I expect building superintendents will soon enjoy the same privileges.

 

Additionally here's an article giving some more background on the those peculiar laws:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/03/why_george_zimmerman_trayvon_martin_s_killer_hasn_t_been_prosecuted_.html

 

...which is frankly insane.  The part I don't understand is that self defense laws like that exist in other places and a death is always taken to court.  Always!  The claim of self defense still has to be tested.  What kind of twisted calculus ends up with them not even laying a charge.


Edited by Muzman - 3/19/12 at 8:01pm
post #21 of 7710

This Mother Jones article does an excellent job of breaking down the whole story, including multiple 911 calls and the curious question of where Trayvon's cell phone currently is and why the police neglected to use it to identify the body or contact his family (his body was brought to the morgue and tagged as a "John Doe."). Seems like more damning evidence suggesting that the police sided with the shooter in assuming Trayvon was a criminal. Based on nothing other than his skin color and the account of the guy who shot him. 

post #22 of 7710

Signed.

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post #24 of 7710

 

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

Jake just posted this on Facebook.

 

It's something.

 

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/doj-fbi-opens-investigation-of-trayvon-martin-death

 

Priority number one is justice to be served for the sake of the kid's family. But putting the fear of the feds into every backwards, small town PD is a close second.

post #25 of 7710
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Originally Posted by MikeI View Post

Priority number one is justice to be served for the sake of the kid's family. But putting the fear of the feds into every backwards, small town PD is a close second.


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Florida, 2012

 

post #26 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Art Decade View Post


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Florida, 2012

 

 

man, I hope the DOJ sends down their "Hackman"
 

 

post #27 of 7710
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post

 

man, I hope the DOJ sends down their "Hackman"
 

 


I'm hoping they send down their "Dafoe"....

 

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I'm trying to figure out how a guy chases down a kid half his size despite being told not to by the police, rolls around with the kid screaming for help, and then the kid gets killed and the police just write it off with a cursory 'investigation'.  Police are held to the standard of probable cause for what they do. You can't chase a guy down and kill him and claim self defense, wacky Florida laws or not.

 

There's no point to signing the petitions (to me, it's the same thing as 'liking' the Kone 2012 video), but I wholeheartedly approve of the Feds finally getting involved. 

 

 

post #28 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post

 

There's no point to signing the petitions (to me, it's the same thing as 'liking' the Kone 2012 video), but I wholeheartedly approve of the Feds finally getting involved. 

 

 



This story has been around for more than a week. Why do you think the FBI is getting involved? If it weren't for the attention this were getting they wouldn't bother. And that comes from stuff like the petitions. 

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Originally Posted by Parker View Post

This story has been around for more than a week. Why do you think the FBI is getting involved? If it weren't for the attention this were getting they wouldn't bother. And that comes from stuff like the petitions. 


Yeah, to say the petitions got the DOJ to pay attention might be stretching it, but it is definitely part of the larger mechanism. (Full disclosure: I don't sign petitions either.)

 

post #30 of 7710

 I signed both petitions.

post #31 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post

This story has been around for more than a week. Why do you think the FBI is getting involved? If it weren't for the attention this were getting they wouldn't bother. And that comes from stuff like the petitions. 


Why is the FBI getting involved? Well, I know I've seen coverage of this story for several weeks on NBC's Today Show and the Nightly News. I'm far more certain that kind of heat has finally gotten someone's attention in Washington.  Signing petitions, be it for the forced return of Firefly to Fox or something like this, have equal impact upon the powers that be--none at all.. Petitions are reliably unreliable. They can be signed online by any number of people multiple times. But they do make you feel good about doing something, I suppose. But ultimately, they're of no consequence. 

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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post


I'm hoping they send down their "Dafoe"....

 

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I'm trying to figure out how a guy chases down a kid half his size despite being told not to by the police, rolls around with the kid screaming for help, and then the kid gets killed and the police just write it off with a cursory 'investigation'.  Police are held to the standard of probable cause for what they do. You can't chase a guy down and kill him and claim self defense, wacky Florida laws or not.

 

There's no point to signing the petitions (to me, it's the same thing as 'liking' the Kone 2012 video), but I wholeheartedly approve of the Feds finally getting involved. 

 

 

 

 

The Mother Jones article is jaw-dropping (emphasis mine):

 

 

 

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Again, the Sunshine State was the trendsetter: 17 states have since passed "stand your ground" laws, which critics call a "license to kill" or a "shoot first" law. The law has been unpopular with law enforcement officers in Florida, since it makes it much more difficult to charge shooters with a crime and has regularly confounded juries in murder cases; many Orlando-area cops reportedly have given up investigating "self-defense" cases as a result, referring them to the overloaded state Attorney's Office for action. A 2010 study by the Tampa Bay Times found that "justifiable homicides" had tripled in the state since the law went into effect.

 

 

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Many readers have asked whether, given the 911 recordings, a case against Zimmerman would be easier than most homicides in which "self-defense" is cited by a defendant. In Florida, the answer probably is no: The courts' interpretation of the stand-your-ground law has been extremely broad—so broad that, to win an acquittal, a defendant doesn't even have to prove self-defense, only argue for it, while to win a conviction the prosecution has to prove that self-defense was impossible.

 

There's more in the article.
 

post #33 of 7710

On the 911 tape, I'm pretty sure you can hear Zimmerman mutter, "Fucking 'coons."

 

I signed both.

post #34 of 7710

 

 

4:20 to 4:25

post #35 of 7710

Honestly, who looks more like the guy you'd see and be suspicious of?

 

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post #36 of 7710

Every facet of this story makes me queasy. Greatly aided by the fact that "gated communities" creep me the fuck out.

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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post



Why is the FBI getting involved? Well, I know I've seen coverage of this story for several weeks on NBC's Today Show and the Nightly News. I'm far more certain that kind of heat has finally gotten someones attention in Washington.  Signing petitions, be it for the forced return of Firefly to Fox or something like this, have equal impact upon the powers that be--none at all.. Petitions are reliably unreliable. They can be signed online by any number of people multiple times. But they do make you feel good about doing something, I suppose. But ultimately, they're of no consequence. 



Again, look at when the story happened and look at when people started paying attention to it. The news didn't just immediately pick this up and say "this is an important story." They needed to get pressure to do so. Of course, that's not all from petitions, but to say that they never do any good other than make people feel better is beyond cynical. So what if they make people feel better? As if that's a bad thing? The largest petition was created by the kids mom. If it makes her feel better, you should fucking sign it, if for nothing else but to show her that you stand with her. 

 

But by all means, be a stubborn, cynical dude who insists that no petition has ever worked ever. 


Edited by Parker - 3/20/12 at 5:02am
post #38 of 7710
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post

Every facet of this story makes me queasy. Greatly aided by the fact that "gated communities" creep me the fuck out.



Yeah, they're huge in the Sunbelt, and it's even worse in Florida. 

post #39 of 7710

Martin was on the phone with a friend while Zimmerman was stalking him.

 

 

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"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run."
 
Eventually he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.
 
"Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn't answer the phone."
 
The line went dead. Besides screams heard on 911 calls that night as Martin and Zimmerman scuffled, those were the last words he said.

 

Yeah, you're a big damn hero, Zimmerman.  You keep that neighborhood safe.

post #40 of 7710

Do you have to be American to sign these? Because I totally want to add my name to the petitions after reading this thread and listening to the tapes.

post #41 of 7710

 

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Originally Posted by Parker View Post

The largest petition was created by the kids mom. If it makes her feel better, you should fucking sign it, if for nothing else but to show her that you stand with her. 

 

But by all means, be a stubborn, cynical dude who insists that no petition has ever worked ever. 


This.  I'm generally that cynical guy who rolls his eyes and avoids signing online petitions.  I signed both.

 


Definitely gives the whole missing cellphone angle mentioned in the motherjones article a whole new layer of depth.

 

post #42 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Subotai View Post



Yeah, they're huge in the Sunbelt, and it's even worse in Florida. 


Is there a big problem with roving bands of barbarians over there? 

 

 

post #43 of 7710

I've been following coverage of this over the last week or so and was initially shocked and angry.  But as more information has come out, the shock has turned into sadness, anger  to exasperation.  As that fantastic Mother Jones article shows, there is a ludicrous amount of incompetence in regards to the policework done thus far.  The fact that the police chief finds the outrage incomprehensible and is convinced that his department has done a good day's work is almost damning, knowing what we know.  While it's easy to write this off as another "small, backwards, racist Southern town," the fact of the matter is that this sort of stuff exists everywhere.    Many friends of mine in high school lived in some of the richest, whitest and most quietly-vehement racist gated communities/developments on the west side of Cleveland.  More often than not, their parents would pepper conversations with bits of "wisdom", which consisted of racist "bon mots" and stereotypical "quips."  It struck me even then that it was all so very wrong-headed and was leading them (and most people in the community) into a dangerously insular place.  With the level of distrust and paranoia over the different, I was always surprised you never heard of anything tragic happening.  While Ohio does have a "stand your ground" law, it only pertains to residence and vehicles.  If it was more "make your day," there was no reason to say it wouldn't have.

 

An even scarier thought is what precedent is set in the (pretty unlikely) situation that nothing ultimately happens to Zimmerman?

post #44 of 7710

The thing that bothers me about the "Stand Your Ground" defense is that there's every indication Zimmerman was clearly the aggressor here.  So what exactly was he defending himself from?  A Skittle to the eye?

post #45 of 7710

    I just read on msn.com that a grand jury will be convened on April 10Th and the FBI is going to investigate. It looks the the public pressure worked.

 

    Why didn't the 911 operator chew Zimmerman out for wasting their time with his weak suspicion?!

 

 

post #46 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Chaz View Post

       Why didn't the 911 operator chew Zimmerman out for wasting their time with his weak suspicion?!

 

 


Wwll, if you listen to the tapes, the 911 operators seem to not be too concerned about things until there are gunshots heard over the phone.  I'd be curious to see what the response was from the many calls from the operator computer records.

 

As for what happens if the criminal justice system fails, I suspect the family will pursue Zimmerman through the civil courts. There's a less stringent burden of proof there. 

 

post #47 of 7710

   I don't think that the 911 operator telling Zimmerman to quit wasting their time would have stopped him, but it would make the Florida justice system look less broken.

post #48 of 7710
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An even scarier thought is what precedent is set in the (pretty unlikely) situation that nothing ultimately happens to Zimmerman?



The way things are heading, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if people track him down themselves.

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Originally Posted by stelios View Post


Is there a big problem with roving bands of barbarians over there? 

 

 



 If by "barbarians" you mean "poor" people or, even worse, minorites. The type of people that have the nerve to think they have just as much of a right to walk on a street as they do.

 

It's the ultimate way to show how much better "we" are.

post #50 of 7710

Zimmerman's account:

 

According to the Miami Herald, Zimmerman told the police that he had stepped out of his SUV to check the name of the street he was on, and that Trayvon sprang out of nowhere to attack him from behind as he was walking back to his truck. He said he feared for his life and shot Martin in self-defense. That account doesn't easily fit into the narrative cobbled together from what evidence had been made public.

 

 

 

Zimmerman's call to 911:

 

"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something," Zimmerman tells the 911 operator. "He's just staring, looking at all the houses. Now he's coming toward me. He's got his hand in his waistband. Something's wrong with him."

 

Zimmerman described Martin as wearing a hoodie and sweatpants or jeans.

 

Zimmerman continues: "He's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is. Can we get an officer over here?"

 

"These assholes always get away," he says later to the operator. Zimmerman is then heard giving directions to the dispatcher.

 

"Shit, he's running," Zimmerman says.

 

"Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.

 

"Yes," Zimmerman responds.

 

"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says.

 

Zimmerman continued to pursue Martin, and moments later other calls started coming in to 911. Neighbors reported hearing screams, cries for help and then gunfire. Some sobbed as they talked about a dead boy and a man standing over him. In one recording, the sounds of wailing and what seem to be pleas for help and "No! No!" can be heard.

 

 

 

What actually happened:

 

Just moments before Trayvon Martin was shot and killed, he was on his cellphone talking with a 16-year-old girl. For the first time, the girl is speaking out about the last, horrifying moments of Martin's life.

 

"He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," the girl told ABC News. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run."

 

According to accounts gleaned from 911 audio recordings made the night of the killing and the teenage girl's statements, Martin eventually did run. But Zimmerman wasn't far behind, and soon the two would be face to face. Zimmerman, the self-appointed captain of the neighborhood watch, was armed with a 9mm pistol. Trayvon had little more than a bag of candy in his pocket.

 

"Trayvon said, 'What are you following me for?' and the man said, 'What are you doing here?' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the headset just fell. I called him again and he didn't answer the phone."

 

The line went dead, according to the girl's account.

 

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