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post #151 of 7710

One more thing about Hoodies: for ten+ years they've been associated with everything from urban crime to the Anarchist riots that take place whenever the WTO is in town. I think police in general now have an almost Pavlovian response when they see anyone wearing a Hoodie. And if they also have their head hung low as if avoiding being seen (or have bad posture) then watch out!

post #152 of 7710

I usually try to advocate reasonable discourse and don't condone violence in anyway. 

 

But when I see things like this...

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/25/1077684/-Racist-False-Travon-Facebook-picture-being-circulated

 

It makes me want to hunt down whoever is behind this and carve them up with a machete. If anything, I'd say the people trying to paint Martin as some kind of "thug" who deserved to be shot because he was suspended for weed (which might be yet ANOTHER lie) are worse than Zimmerman himself. Actually, no, I take that back. What we're seeing now is all sort of Zimmerman's coming out of the woodwork here.

 

This story is making me more and more enraged the uglier it gets...

post #153 of 7710

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post #154 of 7710

I'm trying to figure out if Zimmerman is actually going to be arrested.  I mean it seems the obvious strategy for the police department to at least take the pressure off themselves.  Zimmerman isn't a cop, he's a civilian who killed somebody and arrest is standard procedure unless I'm missing something.

post #155 of 7710

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"Have to do somethin' about those bloody 'oodies!"

post #156 of 7710

I just can't wrap my head around the profound societal sickness that this case is exposing. I feel like this is a breaking point for me. How can people be so damn ignorant and evil in this day and age? Is this the value of Western society - that a man may shoot an unarmed teenager dead, claim self-defence, and half the country rushes to defend him, no questions asked? God, just burn the country down.

post #157 of 7710

You folks are all smarter than I am so I'm going to ask this. This "Stand your ground" law that people keep talking about seems really, really stupid to me. I don't understand how a person can claim self defense when he clearly decided to confront the person who had broken no law. Shouldn't Zimmerman admitting to following Martin be enough to argue that Martin was justified in defending himself? Am I wrong in thinking this law makes it out to be whoever ends up alive wins?

post #158 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Dan Baker View Post

You folks are all smarter than I am so I'm going to ask this. This "Stand your ground" law that people keep talking about seems really, really stupid to me. I don't understand how a person can claim self defense when he clearly decided to confront the person who had broken no law. Shouldn't Zimmerman admitting to following Martin be enough to argue that Martin was justified in defending himself? Am I wrong in thinking this law makes it out to be whoever ends up alive wins?


I am not a lawyer but this is how I read this too. I mean you shooting a stranger in your own house is pretty easy to prove as self defense. But this? I have no idea what kinds of procedure would be followed.

 

 

post #159 of 7710

It seems to be about 50/50.  Half think "well what choice did Zimmerman have?  The kid was pounding his head into the pavement!"  "The 911 operator is not a cop!  Zimmerman didn't have an obligation to listen to her!"  "It was his neighborhood and he was concerned about the rash of burglaries in the area!" "Treyvon was just another gold teeth having, drug dealing, violent thug!  He was suspended for violence!".  These people also must think babies are delivered by a stork...they seem to have no ability to trace C and B back to A, or even believe A exists.  The other half realize Zimmerman's actions started the chain of events that got the kid killed, who still has not been proven to be breaking any laws, and even fighting is not an indication of Martin being the aggressor...the ordinary gun wielding stranger who followed him is the liable party here...an adult man following a teenager.  Zimmerman's own friend and lawyer can't even defend Zimmerman following Martin in the fist place.

post #160 of 7710

I don't know about 50/50. There has been plenty of bullshit coming from the uber-conservative media (case in point) and jackasses at Fox News like Heraldo (does anyone take him seriously)? But I've seen plenty of republicans and conservatives side with the victims on this matter, on Sunday shows and elsewhere. The fact that anyone is kind of bucking the obvious is disgusting, but at least people seem to understand that what happened here was a tragedy and a huge breach of justice. Now if only something actually gets done about it.

 

What bugs me more than anything is politicians denying the race factor, and that's actually been on both sides of the isle. Obama did say that if he had a son he'd look like Trayvon, and that's powerful, but when pushed to answer whether he thought the whole thing was race related, he sidesteps the issue, and so does everyone else in the administration. They want to tiptoe around the obvious question of race because (unfortunately) they worry that playing too big of a deal about it will alienate voters who aren't going to vote Obama anyway.

That opens the door for a creep like Gingrich to say that the whole thing isn't about race at all, which makes me want to smack him across the face with a giant salmon. Repeatedly. Obama isn't saying anything that stupid or bold, but I wish they'd stop pretending the obvious isn't true here. Have some balls and speak to the heart of the matter. 

post #161 of 7710

Well, to be fair, any response from Obama regarding race was going to inflame the rhetoric of guys like Gingrich. I think by sidestepping the obvious, Obama chose the lesser of two evils there.

post #162 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Dan Baker View Post

You folks are all smarter than I am so I'm going to ask this. This "Stand your ground" law that people keep talking about seems really, really stupid to me. I don't understand how a person can claim self defense when he clearly decided to confront the person who had broken no law. Shouldn't Zimmerman admitting to following Martin be enough to argue that Martin was justified in defending himself? Am I wrong in thinking this law makes it out to be whoever ends up alive wins?


Some believe the whole point of the law is not only to stoke gun sales but to move toward a privatized police force, hence ALEC's involvement and 24 states passing simultaneous, ALEC-generated laws. 

 

And Parker, one thing white people get emotional about is being called racist.  It's obvious that racial prejudice played a major role in this tragedy, but for Obama in particular to call it out would be essentially putting a third to a half of the country on the defensive.  And what people do when they are overly defensive is to channel that into hostility and aggression, and Obama's got enough of that coming at him as it is.  That's my thinking, anyway.

 

post #163 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post

I don't know about 50/50. There has been plenty of bullshit coming from the uber-conservative media (case in point) and jackasses at Fox News like Heraldo (does anyone take him seriously)? But I've seen plenty of republicans and conservatives side with the victims on this matter, on Sunday shows and elsewhere. The fact that anyone is kind of bucking the obvious is disgusting, but at least people seem to understand that what happened here was a tragedy and a huge breach of justice. Now if only something actually gets done about it.

 

What bugs me more than anything is politicians denying the race factor, and that's actually been on both sides of the isle. Obama did say that if he had a son he'd look like Trayvon, and that's powerful, but when pushed to answer whether he thought the whole thing was race related, he sidesteps the issue, and so does everyone else in the administration. They want to tiptoe around the obvious question of race because (unfortunately) they worry that playing too big of a deal about it will alienate voters who aren't going to vote Obama anyway.

That opens the door for a creep like Gingrich to say that the whole thing isn't about race at all, which makes me want to smack him across the face with a giant salmon. Repeatedly. Obama isn't saying anything that stupid or bold, but I wish they'd stop pretending the obvious isn't true here. Have some balls and speak to the heart of the matter. 


The evidence is on the 911 call Zimmerman made where he says "fucking coon".  His friend tried to reason that Zimmerman said "goon"...what is this, a 1940s James Cagney flick?  I used to live in Florida and I've never heard anyone call someone a "goon", anywhere for that matter, but I have heard "coon" plenty down there.  It's a racially motivated hate crime.

 

post #164 of 7710

The first time I heard the clip, it sounded really obvious that he said 'coon'  The clips I can find now all sound like he says 'punks' with a definite 'P' sound.

 

I'm confused, because the two words sound nothing alike.

 

 


Edited by MrBananaGrabber - 3/27/12 at 10:57am
post #165 of 7710
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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber View Post

IThe first time, I heard the clip, it sounded really obvious that he said 'coon'  The clips I can find now all sound like he says 'punks' with a definite 'P' sound.

 

I'm confused, because the two words sound nothing alike.

 

 


the first time I heard the audio, it definitely sounded like 'coons'. I wonder if there are 'edited' versions of the audio making the rounds on the net?

post #166 of 7710

There's a meme starting on right-leaning commentary sites that Trayvon was a 7 foot tall gangbanging, drug-dealing, monster that has a record of assaults a mile wide, and was also responsible for every crime committed in Sanford for the last five years.

I wish I were exaggerating:

 

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/

 

Still, where's Trayvon's cellphone?  Where are the crime scene pictures? Where's the ballistics report on the positioning of the shot?

post #167 of 7710

Yeah, I'm not 100% sold on the "fucking coon" thing. Although even if he didn't say it, you still can't deny that his actions were racially motivated. 

post #168 of 7710

What's even worse is that even IF all these fabricated lies about Trayvon were true, is that suppose to be some kind of justification for his shooting? Is that fake photo of him giving the middle finger suppose to make people think "Oh! Ok. He had it coming." I mean WTF?

post #169 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post

Yeah, I'm not 100% sold on the "fucking coon" thing.


He either said goon or coon.  Which is more likely?

post #170 of 7710
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

What's even worse is that even IF all these fabricated lies about Trayvon were true, is that suppose to be some kind of justification for his shooting? Is that fake photo of him giving the middle finger suppose to make people think "Oh! Ok. He had it coming." I mean WTF?


That's what absolutely kills me...it's this disturbing bias that is coming out of people.  

 

I think it was in direct reaction to the baby faced pictures of Trayvon and the miserable picture of Zimmer the media first released...perpetuated (as usual) by the media to grab headlines.  It still doesn't excuse trying to find reasons to justify the shooting.

 

post #171 of 7710


 

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He either said goon or coon.  Which is more likely?



Of those two choices, the later. But, no offense Ambler, I'm not sure you're qualified to know with certainty he said either of those two things. He could be fucking coughing for all I know. It doesn't sound like anything to me. If you're convinced he's saying "fucking coon," then nothing I say is going to change your mind. I've listened to it a thousand times. I listened to the CNN audio lab version of it. Twice (once on the air, and again on Jon Stewart last night). They play the damn clip over and over again. I think it's like The Conversation or Blow Out. If you're convinced you've heard that, then that's what you're going to hear. I'm not going to get too bent out of shape about something that we're not able to prove, especially since it's besides the point. Using a racial slur would make Zimmerman appear more guilty, yes, but it'd be icing on the cake. He's guilty and racist, with or without the "coon."

I think now that the media is covering this more, folks have to be a little careful about jumping to conclusions. Yes, the Sandford police department fucked up royally. Yes, the evidence seems clear to us. Yes, I think Zimmerman is guilty. But we're not investigators, and just because someone is obviously guilty doesn't mean we should feel entitled enough to make conclusions concerning things that aren't in our realm of expertise. I felt the same way after the Casey Anthony trial, when everybody and their brother was posting on Facebook that it was such an atrocity that she "got off." Watching shit on TV isn't the same as being involved with a trial. I know our justice system is flawed. Both of these cases might be examples of that (especially, in my opinion, this one). But if we start throwing the system out, then we're starting down the road of guys like Zimmerman himself (and the Black Panthers who put a bounty on his head).

post #172 of 7710
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Originally Posted by yt View Post

And Parker, one thing white people get emotional about is being called racist.  It's obvious that racial prejudice played a major role in this tragedy, but for Obama in particular to call it out would be essentially putting a third to a half of the country on the defensive.  And what people do when they are overly defensive is to channel that into hostility and aggression, and Obama's got enough of that coming at him as it is.  That's my thinking, anyway.

 


Are people that insecure about race and racism really going to vote for Obama in the first place?  And where did I say that Obama had to call white people racists? Zimmerman isn't white. It's one thing to say this is racially related, because it obviously is. It's another thing to say "this happened because white people are racist," which, agreed, would be stupid in more ways than one. While several of the responses to the tragedy suggests that a good number of white folks still are racist, that statement is irrelevant to the genesis of the issue; Zimmerman shooting Martin. 

 

post #173 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post

 

it's besides the point. Using a racial slur would make Zimmerman appear more guilty, yes, but it'd be icing on the cake. He's guilty and racist, with or without the "coon."

 

I wouldn't agree it's besides the point.  If he did say fucking coons, it's evidence that it was a racially motivated hate crime, and not just Zimmerman being concerned for his neighbors like he claims.  Obviously there's no way to prove he did say fucking coons unless he admits it, but I am particularly sensitive about it as a black male who has been the target of racial hatred.  So excuse me for being dickish about the whole thing.

 

I do agree though there is an awful lot of arm chair lawyering going on that needs to calm down.

post #174 of 7710

A couple of things:

 

1) I could see Zimmerman successfully using the insanity defense and getting off. The guy called 911 dozens of times, apparently to tell the police that he saw a Black guy. On that 911 recording it kind of sounds like the dispatcher was weary of hearing from Zimmerman yet again, regarded him as an amateur, but essentially harmless. I wonder if the police were even aware he owned a gun.

 

2) I could also see a case being made where a series of misunderstandings escalated into a struggle of some kind then the shooting. That neighborhood had been robbed before, Zimmerman felt that someone was "getting away with it" ("they were 'always' getting away with it I think he said), he spots Martin, who spots him, both see each other as suspicious, and act to avoid (Martin) and confront (Zimmerman), then things got out of hand.

 

I think I'm going to stop following this story until an actual jury decides on the case. The Media and politicians have latched onto this and when that happens truth is the first casualty.

 

 


Edited by Cylon Baby - 3/27/12 at 4:30pm
post #175 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post

 

I wouldn't agree it's besides the point.  If he did say fucking coons, it's evidence that it was a racially motivated hate crime, and not just Zimmerman being concerned for his neighbors like he claims.  Obviously there's no way to prove he did say fucking coons unless he admits it, but I am particularly sensitive about it as a black male who has been the target of racial hatred.  So excuse me for being dickish about the whole thing.

 

I do agree though there is an awful lot of arm chair lawyering going on that needs to calm down.



I don't think you're being dickish, and it makes sense that you're sensitive about it, especially as a black man. And I don't mean to diminish the importance of a racial slur, I'm just not positive that one was used. If one was, of course it's relevant. Unfortunately, only one person truly knows and I get the feeling he's not going to be honest about it. 

post #176 of 7710

The point remains: there is a murdered teenager and we know who shot him. It is not for the Sanford police to determine his guilt or innocence, it is for a jury of his peers. But that's not what happened and it may now be too late.

post #177 of 7710

That's what I don't understand.  When you murder someone, you're booked no matter what right?  So you mean to tell me I can go shoot somebody, tell the cops I was afraid for my safety and that it was self defense and they just say "oh, well in that case..." and send me on my way without ever being arrested?  Is that how it works in that city?

post #178 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post

So you mean to tell me I can go shoot somebody, tell the cops I was afraid for my safety and that it was self defense and they just say "oh, well in that case..." and send me on my way without ever being arrested? 



No. Because you're black.

post #179 of 7710

Reporting shit like this causes riots.  Riots sell commercials.

post #180 of 7710

So what if both parties are "standing their ground"?  I'm armed and feel I'm being threatened; so are you.  Does this turn into the Wild West?

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So what if both parties are "standing their ground"?  I'm armed and feel I'm being threatened; so are you.  Does this turn into the Wild West?

 


Yes:

 

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/what-happened-trayvon-martin-explained#selfdefense

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This has led to some stunning verdicts in the state. In Tallahassee in 2008, two rival gangs engaged in a neighborhood shootout, and a 15-year-old African American male was killed in the crossfire. The three defendants all either were acquitted or had their cases dismissed, because the defense successfully argued they were defending themselves under the "stand your ground" law. The state attorney in Tallahassee, Willie Meggs, was beside himself. "Basically this law has put us in the posture that our citizens can go out into the streets and have a gun fight and the dead person is buried and the survivor of the gun fight is immune from prosecution," he said at the time.

 

 

Of course they were arrested, then acquitted.

 

Good (by that I mean infuriating), editorial here: 

 

http://gawker.com/5896490/your-guide-to-the-idiotic-racist-backlash-against-trayvon-martin

 

 

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But other problem is the terms of the debate itself. Whether or not Martin was a good kid or a bad kid, an angel or a thug, a normal teenager or a dangerous deviant, he had every right to walk in the streets of his soon-to-be-stepmother's neighborhood without fear of being shot. A criminal record, a manner of dress, a height: none of these make the shooting of an unarmed, law-abiding teenager justified. And yet here we are, forced to defend Martin's honor, as though if he had been a gangster there'd be nothing to say. As though the minute a black man is anything but a choir boy it's okay to shoot him in the street.

 

post #182 of 7710

 Sunday night I accidently caught some of Bill Cunningham's show. His line of reasoning was that we don't have all the facts, there for nobody should pass judgement on Zimmerman. He then agreed with some meat head caller that what was Martin doing out at 3:00am. They also both agreed that Obama shouldn't have said anything. Right wingers getting pissed about Obama, I know, will wonders ever cease. These are the facts one person shot and killed an armed 17 year old and is still a free man. I have every right to be pissed. If Jeb Bush runs for President in 2016, the Stand your ground law that he signed should be brought up every time he opens his mouth.

post #183 of 7710
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He then agreed with some meat head caller that what was Martin doing out at 3:00am. 


Yeah, those damn coons out at 3am just asking to be shot.  I bet they also think women who wear sexy clothing deserve to be raped.  "What was she DOING wearing that miniskirt!?" 

post #184 of 7710

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Originally Posted by Chaz View Post

 Sunday night I accidently caught some of Bill Cunningham's show. His line of reasoning was that we don't have all the facts, there for nobody should pass judgement on Zimmerman. He then agreed with some meat head caller that what was Martin doing out at 3:00am. They also both agreed that Obama shouldn't have said anything. Right wingers getting pissed about Obama, I know, will wonders ever cease. These are the facts one person shot and killed an armed 17 year old and is still a free man. I have every right to be pissed. If Jeb Bush runs for President in 2016, the Stand your ground law that he signed should be brought up every time he opens his mouth.



"Hey man, let's not rush to any JUDGEMENTS. You're all JUDGING Zimmerman already like you're judge, jury and executioner, man. In your eyes he's already guilty, just because of what the MEDIA TELLS YOU, right? You guys don't have all the facts and yet you're all JUDGING!

 

On a completely unrelated note having nothing to do about judging people whatsoever and totally doesn't prove me to be a hypocrite, have you SEEN the pictures of Martin they don't want you to see? He looks like a thug to me! And he was suspended for weed man, so you know he was up to no good! They're trying to paint him as this angel when in fact in this one picture he's giving the finger! What a thug! 

 

But seriously man, stop judging people."

 

Was that subtle enough? 

post #185 of 7710
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A question: the new movie with Ben Stiller...do we really want to idolize anyone who belongs to a Neighborhood Watch at this point in our culture?


It was bound to happen.

post #186 of 7710

What is it with Ben Stiller movies and national tragedies? First it's Zoolander & 9/11, now it's this.

post #187 of 7710

Then there was Tower Heist coming out in the heat of the OWS protests.  Not a tragedy, but still...

post #188 of 7710
Signed. I have nothing to add that hasn't been said.
post #189 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post

Yeah, I'm not 100% sold on the "fucking coon" thing. Although even if he didn't say it, you still can't deny that his actions were racially motivated. 



Pretty much this.  Even if Zimmerman isn't a complete racist--which is looking like the case now--he's still guilty in engaging with an individual primarily because he was a black youth wearing a hoodie.  Zimmerman may not have been burning crosses, but racial profiling doesn't exactly make him look like a hero.

post #190 of 7710
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It was bound to happen.



"Slated for a July release, 'Neighborhood Watch' is a comedy starring Ben Stiller, Jonah Hill, Vince Vaughn and Billy Crudup as a quartet of volunteer watchmen who engage in hilarious hijinks as they cruise their suburban neighborhood seeking out troublemakers"

 

Hahaha!

post #191 of 7710

Has new information been revealed? Was Zimmerman actually a registered neighborhood watch captain? Or just a self-appointed guardian of all he surveyed?

post #192 of 7710

I heard Zimm wasn't affiliated with any neighborhood watch program, but the media keeps saying he was a captain.

post #193 of 7710

So, stupid old me thought that I was probably mistaken regarding "stand your ground." I thought "Come on, this a country with laws and law enforcement agencies and civilization. Yeah, they seem to have really bought into their own hype but no one could possibly think laws like that are a good idea." What a silly person I am!

 

So now I eagerly await for the new GOP/NRA legislation initiative. It will be called "Take Back The Night" and it will allow you to actively seek out and kill lawbreakers. Later to be amended as "Take Back The Night With Benefits" which will reward you for each confirmed kill.

post #194 of 7710

Jon Stewart played a clip last night from some NRA representative at CPAC recently, and the guy was literally saying Obama was behind a "vast conspiracy" to remove guns from private citizens, even though, after three years, there's been zero evidence of him even leaning in the direction of curbing current gun laws, and he's proposed no such legislation. But the reason for zero evidence is, of course, no one in the liberal media is covering it!

 

Ipso facto, you can shoot black kids in Florida. Case closed.

post #195 of 7710

It was actually Colbert, not Stewart. "What other things that Obama's shown no sign of doing will he do next? Defund the military to give money to the new Black Panthers for their weed-growing operation? The total lack of evidence is all the evidence I need!"

post #196 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post

Jon Stewart played a clip last night from some NRA representative at CPAC recently, and the guy was literally saying Obama was behind a "vast conspiracy" to remove guns from private citizens, even though, after three years, there's been zero evidence of him even leaning in the direction of curbing current gun laws, and he's proposed no such legislation. But the reason for zero evidence is, of course, no one in the liberal media is covering it!

 

Ipso facto, you can shoot black kids in Florida. Case closed.


somewhat on tangent....

The history of the NRA is quite interesting. There was a piece on NPR awhile back (after the Tucson shooting) that discussed the mutation of the NRA back in the 1970's. It went from being a 'sports' organization to a full blown political lobby fixated on the the deification of the gun.

 

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After Tucson Shootings, NRA Again Shows Its Strength

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The Second Amendment, Politicized

Spitzer says the original interpretation of the Second Amendment was not controversial — at least until the 20th century. And the debate about whether the Second Amendment protects only militia service or whether it also protects the personal right to own guns is relatively recent.

 

"As a matter of history, we didn't really see anything like the individual point of view emerge until the 20th century," he said. "That doesn't mean individuals didn't own guns or didn't think gun ownership was an important thing — of course they did. But the chief purpose that is cited for the individual ownership of guns is personal protection — from predators, from criminals or from marauding Indians or whatever threats might arise. But you didn't need the Second Amendment to ensure that civilians would have the right to defend themselves or to own a gun to defend themselves."

The modern debate about individual gun rights, he says, began in the aftermath of Congress' enactment of the Gun Control Act of 1968, in the aftermath of the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert Kennedy.

"In the 1970s, you see the Second Amendment rhetoric escalate dramatically as an argument against stronger gun laws and to identify gun ownership with American values and historical values," he says. "You find this increasingly heavy emphasis on Second Amendment rights and constitutional rhetoric as part of the argument against enacting stronger gun laws."

 

 

post #197 of 7710

So a grand jury is set to convene on April 10.  Hopefully they'll make the sensible decision to arrest Zimmerman and dump him on a South Central LA sidewalk.

post #198 of 7710

...and give him the ol' Die Hard 3.

post #199 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Art Decade View Post

...and give him the ol' Die Hard 3.

 

I don't get it...


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I think I'm interneting wrong.

 

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I heard Zimm wasn't affiliated with any neighborhood watch program, but the media keeps saying he was a captain.



I think it's that neighborhood watch in this community isn't affiliated with the official Neighborhood Watch program.  Anybody can get a bunch of residents together and designate themselves a neighborhood watch, and anyone can be chosen as the captain, but those who want to be official have to follow the national program's guidelines.

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