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post #7551 of 7710
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So in the midst of this kerfluffle over National Anthem protests and whatnot:

 

NASCAR has said they will totally fire anyone that protests during the national anthem, and their reasoning is pretty much literally "because 'Murica!."  Way to really knuckle down on reinforcing the stereotypes about this particular "sport" NASCAR (FYI: There have been a grand total of four black NASCAR drivers over the course of it's history).

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/ct-nascar-national-anthem-protest-donald-trump-20170925-story.html

 

Wait so a sport comprised of 99.9% white people and whos audience is mostly rednecks and hillbilllys don't give a shit about black issues?  Shocked!

post #7552 of 7710

I wasn't sure if this should go here or the social media thread or the misogyny one and that's really the point.  It's pretty tempting to draw a sort of fairly inclusive venn diagram over many modern trends like PUAs, MRAs, anti-feminists, the alt-right and white supremacists and pretty much anything cranky nerds seem to be into.  You can get criticised for rolling them all together too much as well.  That's with some justification in a way as they aren't all inclusive.  But dammit they just seem so interrelated, and that  may be  because I for one keep running into very similar sorts of people who seem very into one or more of these things.

 

Well to confirm those suspicions comes this pretty amazing lot of reporting.  Others around here are more aware of the Fight Club-y contortions of online movements of late. But as someone who was a bit out of touch this is pretty amazing stuff, taken right at the intersection of all those things.  A point that arrives right at the Charlottesville protests. 

As someone who generally wrestled with the elusive zeitgeist of this apparent young (white) dude-o-sphere, wondering whether it was more than that and how concrete that impression really was,  well here it is.  It's not an entirely nebulous social phenomenon at all, either.  The connection is really quite concrete.

 

You really want to stick around for the black guy who who helped kick off 'no fap' and things of that ilk watching in horror and becoming woke as fuck as the movement he encouraged morphs into a crypto fascist 'men's club' and then starts to tilt over into regular fascist.

 

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/626/white-haze

 

 

It still kinda blows my mind that the culture of men's rights and men's self discovery that existed in the early nineties, and which inspired Fight Club, is apparently just repeating itself and people seem generally unaware of this.  So much of the culture is supposed to have changed and I keep bumping into people who say "we've got to do this because there's so much feminism now" and I have to say "kids, this is nothing".  If anything feminists have become louder now because they feel that they grew complacent and lost ground.

But the pattern that asserts itself in my head is that as soon as women's movements start to become more prominent these defensive men's movements spring up almost organically.  And I say that because there wasn't any twitter or reddit or youtube to spread this stuff in the old days, no brietbart and blogs galore collating the outrages of women for easy consumption, and yet there it was. And everyone seems to have forgotten quite how big a deal it was.  Maybe my memory is faulty.

 

At any rate, I can't prove it and it's just an impression but it is as if it's enough for women to take nothing from them but assert their equality quite loudly and then a certain portion of men start to lose their sense of self and psychologically crumble.  They don't even have to be jock-y 'men's men' to begin with (which is perhaps most alarming of all).  That such an intellectual problem could apparently undermine a lot of men's sense of, dare I say it, identity is amazing, when in a lot of cases they weren't living some 'traditional' life by Western or any other standards, especially in 1993. The implications of that are disturbing to say the least. 

 

It's doubly interesting to think that so many of these guys now spend a great deal of time on individualist argument, railing in fury at the unscientific mind enslaving absurdity of the social theories that often drive progressive politics - when at the same time they themselves seem a pretty good sign to me that there's something going on there.

 

This is off thread topic, but makes more sense if and when you listen to the show.


Edited by Muzman - 10/10/17 at 1:39pm
post #7553 of 7710
I listed to it last week. It's insane.
post #7554 of 7710

Good news, all. According to Mike Ditka, there hasn't been any oppression for the last 100 years:

 

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Former Chicago Bears legend and Pro Football Hall of Famer Mike Ditka says that the United States has been oppression free for the last 100 years.

 

“All of a sudden, it’s become a big deal now, about oppression,” Ditka said on Westwood One on Monday. “There has been no oppression in the last 100 years that I know of. Now maybe I’m not watching it as carefully as other people.”

 

Guess we can shut down this thread now.

post #7555 of 7710

Rich, powerful, privileged white man reports race relations all good for past 100 years.  Film at 11.

post #7556 of 7710
Ryan Zinke, our nation's Secretary of the Interior, who decimated the Bureau of Indian Affairs budget, cut tens of millions from education assistance to reservations, changed a land buy-back program to cut dozens of tribes out of a process that would have allowed them to regain some control over their land, and threatened publicly owned land that contains Native American archaeological sites, now claims that if we don't act now to preserve the statues of Confederate soldiers, the next thing you know you'll have Native Americans complaining about statues that commemorate Presidents and Generals responsible for genocide against them.
post #7557 of 7710
LeVar Burton, tweeting tonight:

post #7558 of 7710
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Good news, all. According to Mike Ditka, there hasn't been any oppression for the last 100 years:

 

 

Guess we can shut down this thread now.

 

As I saw pointed out on Twitter, Emmet Till would be Mike Ditka's age if he were still alive.

post #7559 of 7710

Ben Shapiro might not be as bad as the Trumps, Millers and Bannons of the world, but he's still bad:

 

https://www.mediaite.com/online/ben-shapiros-daily-wire-website-posts-racist-video-mocking-native-americans-for-columbus-day/

 

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To celebrate Columbus Day this year, right-wing pundit Ben Shapiro’s website posted a video apparently excusing ethnic genocide by depicting Native Americans as cannibals and savages who weren’t tamed until white Europeans came to America and took their land.

 

The Daily Wire’s animated video begins with a caption that sarcastically reads, “The North American indigenous people are a noble people…” Then, a group of Native Americans are seen slaughtering and even eating each other. But alas, there is hope for these evil, murderous savages, as the clip then cuts to a very Caucasian looking Christopher Columbus arriving on the North American continent and taming the indigenous people. He does this by teaching them how to construct buildings, raise cattle, and farm crops — though, the video does not include the ethnic genocide, land-stealing, and rape that Columbus and his crew are known by many for.

 

The second caption reads “1492-2017” and a montage of civilizational progress is shown — suggesting that this positive progress was the sole result of white Europeans showing up in America and killing off much of the native population.

 

The cherry on top of this racist sundae is a text-on-screen segment in the video that reads, “List Of Contributions.” The Native American side of this list includes dreamcatchers, tomahawks, and cannibalism. On the other side of the screen, the “After Columbus” contributions include iPhones, cars, airplanes, electricity, women’s suffrage, human rights, “The Simpsons,” and about 15 other things.

post #7560 of 7710
What a shit brick. Kinda sad how insecure he must be to make a video like that.
post #7561 of 7710
That’s the whole Proud Boys thing. They believe that when it comes to progress (as defined by them) the ends always justify the means.
post #7562 of 7710
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They seem to have this fantasy that they'll be welcomed by the (white) populace with a parade and the local police will join them in their glorious rebellion when they roll into town armed and wearing swastikas, that they will simply assume their rightful place as our rulers.  Straight up manifest destiny style bullshit.

...I eye my Cub-Scout days with suspicion...

post #7563 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Graham View Post
 

...I eye my Cub-Scout days with suspicion...

 

Well, I understand Baden Powell was fairly enthusiastic about fascism...

 

Then again, it was the thirties, and it turns a surprisingly large number of people caught the bug. Which bodes well...

post #7564 of 7710

Baden Powell was 'fairly enthusiastic' about MANY things...

post #7565 of 7710

We live in a time where anti-fascists are labeled Nazis by self-proclaimed white nationalists who think they aren't Nazis.  We're through the looking glass.  Up is down.  Black is white.  Actually, scratch that last part.    

post #7566 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Graham View Post
 

Baden Powell was 'fairly enthusiastic' about MANY things...

 

...yes, including fascism. Being an enthusiast isn't an excuse. 

post #7567 of 7710
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We live in a time where anti-fascists are labeled Nazis by self-proclaimed white nationalists who think they aren't Nazis.  We're through the looking glass.  Up is down.  Black is white.  Actually, scratch that last part.    


WHICH IS INSANE. 

 

That whole thing with the new Wolfenstein game where white nationalists actually got angry because the game basically said "Fuck Nazis."

 

Like--thefuck?

 

 

It's the shrewdness that bothers me. The "oh we're just a fraternity" like they're just some innocent little group makes me want to vomit. 

 

All the alt-right, conservatives, "Proud Boys," Gamergates are a bunch of whiny white boys who believe they shouldn't be beholden to lessons learned by history because "THEY WEREN'T THERE."

post #7568 of 7710

Yeah... the Wolfenstein thing is a perfect example of the cognitive dissonance of the far right.  Personally, I think it all goes back to the way the right has, for years, way before Trump, been responding to every criticism with the "I'm rubber - you're glue" defense they learned in third grade.  Racists aren't racist, it's the people who identify the racism.  Sexists aren't sexist.  It's the people who call out the sexism.

 

Also, if they can identify hypocrisy on the left, then that's enough for them.  They don't have to hold themselves to a higher standard or fix anything so long as they are sure that someone on the other side is doing it too.  Thus, Harvey Weinstein justifies Donald Trump- even though Harvey has been run out of his own company for his crimes, while Trump was rewarded with the keys to the entire country.

post #7569 of 7710
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...yes, including fascism. Being an enthusiast isn't an excuse. 

 

...erm, I was more thinking of his enthusiasm for wayward, young boys.

post #7570 of 7710
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...erm, I was more thinking of his enthusiasm for wayward, young boys.

 

Even by the standards of his time, he was a real charmer.

post #7571 of 7710

For those who thought prisoners in the South were the only ones doing massive amounts of free labor, read this:

 

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/a-second-group-of-chicken-workers-sue-alleging-rehab-slavery/

 

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Two men who were forced to work for free in a court-ordered drug rehabilitation program have filed a class action lawsuit, alleging racketeering, human trafficking and labor law violations.

 

It is the second federal suit filed in a week against Christian Alcoholics & Addicts in Recovery and the major chicken company where the men worked, Simmons Foods.

 

The two lawsuits come on the heels of an investigation released last week by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting, which found that judges across the country have ordered defendants into drug rehab programs that double as work camps for for-profit companies.

 

Reveal’s investigation focused on CAAIR, an Oklahoma program that puts hundreds of men a year to work slaughtering chickens at the processing plants. The programs spare men charged with crimes from prison.

 

They work for free, under constant threat of being sent to prison, on products for big-name brands, including Popeyes Louisiana Kitchen, KFC, Walmart, Petsmart and Rachael Ray’s Nutrish pet food. The rehab program keeps their wages.

post #7572 of 7710

Wow.

post #7573 of 7710
Yeah that shit has got to stop. I’m picturing some warden somewhere getting a box of pie with an envelope of thousands of dollars tucked away underneath it.
post #7574 of 7710
How the fuck is that real life 2017 and not a particularly over the top episode of In the Heat of the Night?
post #7575 of 7710

Decades later, five arrests have been made regarding the murder of a black man named Timothy Coggins in Atlanta.  Two police officers are among the arrested:

 

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/5-Arrested-Decades-Later-for-Racially-Motivated-Murder-450930813.html

 

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A decades-old investigation in Georgia into the murder of a black man in 1983 culminated in the arrest of five white people on Friday, including two law enforcement officers charged with hindering the probe, officials said.

 

Some witnesses confessed they lived with knowledge about the case for years, but were afraid to come forward, Spalding County Sheriff Darrell Dix said.

 

“There is no doubt in the minds of all investigators involved that the crime was racially motivated and that if the crime happened today it would be prosecuted as a hate crime,” the Sheriff’s Office said.

 

The body of Timothy Coggins, 23, was found on Oct. 9, 1983, in a grassy area near power lines in the community of Sunnyside, about 30 miles south of downtown Atlanta. He had been “brutally murdered” and his body had signs of trauma, the Spalding County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement.

post #7576 of 7710
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How the fuck is that real life 2017 and not a particularly over the top episode of In the Heat of the Night?

 

It's pretty much modern day slavery under the guise of rehabilitation. 

post #7577 of 7710
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It's pretty much modern day slavery under the guise of rehabilitation. 
Yeah that's exactly what I meant. How this could even have gotten further than someone just suggesting it (before being tarred and feathered) is beyond me, much less STILL BEING AN ONGOING THING..
post #7578 of 7710

Because the south is still racist as fuck.

post #7579 of 7710
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Because the south is still racist as fuck.
You not tellin me nothin I don't know, I promise. So much of my own family are just LOATHSOME.

But I do feel ashamed of MYSELF for even being surprised that this is a real thing. I mean....now that I've read it, I'm like "well....of course they'd do that shit."
post #7580 of 7710
A lot of us would be shocked to learn how much of our textiles and electronics are made in America by enslaved prisoners, too.

It's worth keeping in mind that expanding these operations is what American politicians really mean when they talk about "getting tough on crime." Enacting harsher minimum sentencing laws means that state prison systems get a bigger net to fish for slaves with.

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Edited by Reasor - 10/15/17 at 10:18am
post #7581 of 7710
I think the whole punishment angle to prison is a farce and a terrible way to view locking up criminals. It should be nothing more than keeping dangerous people off the streets, with options of rehabilitation for a prisoner to choose from. This notion that we should whip prisoners in shape is detrimental, and then also open for opportunists to get free labor out of something.
post #7582 of 7710
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For those who thought prisoners in the South were the only ones doing massive amounts of free labor, read this:

 

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/a-second-group-of-chicken-workers-sue-alleging-rehab-slavery/

 

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Because the south is still racist as fuck.

 

The article points out that it's judges from all over the country doing this.

post #7583 of 7710

Yup. Prisons are a for-profit industry across the entire US. That's a primary reason we have the largest percentage of our population in prison of any country, including places like Russia and N. Korea.

post #7584 of 7710
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The article points out that it's judges from all over the country doing this.

 

100 percent.  The stereotype is that it's just a Southern thing, which, I guess, isn't too surprising since Mississippi and Alabama get the brunt of the articles on these issues (i.e. they rely on free labor for a lot).  I should've worded that differently.

post #7585 of 7710

Sheriff Paul Penzone, the person who beat Joe Arpaio last year, made some pretty cool announcements recently:

 

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/10/13/tent-city-jail-become-rehabilitation-center-possible-state-corrections-facility/760022001/

 

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An echoing air-conditioned room that once gave respite to inmates at Maricopa County's infamous Tent City jail is being transformed into a rehabilitation center for those dealing with substance abuse and opioid addiction, Sheriff Paul Penzone announced Friday. 

 

And the sheriff's plans may just be the beginning for the Tent City property near 27th Avenue and Durango Street.

 

Penzone said the area at the recently shuttered facility will house classroom space and sleeping areas, allowing an intensive multiagency substance-abuse program to expand by more than 50 percent in the coming months. It's the latest effort to combat recidivism and set chronic offenders on the straight and narrow. 

 

"We want to ensure that they have an opportunity to be productive, to not return here to this jail," Penzone told reporters Friday. "I hope that all of those in our community recognize the investment that we are making to become a more holistic Sheriff's Office." 

 

In addition, the state on Friday announced a proposal to build a 265-bed community corrections center and a 335-bed employment center for inmates at the site.

 

Elections matter.

post #7586 of 7710

I like this tactic....

 

post #7587 of 7710
 
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I like this tactic....

 

Unfortunately that tactic is almost certainly illegal and may land the brewery in some serious hot water.  I hope they ponied up a few hundred bucks for legal consultation.  

post #7588 of 7710

Utah Cheerleaders Caught on Video Chanting Racial Slurs; School District Whitesplains Their Actions

 


Video is embedded in the article.

 

Fuck this fucking country.

post #7589 of 7710
Hatu cuff.
post #7590 of 7710
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

Utah Cheerleaders Caught on Video Chanting Racial Slurs; School District Whitesplains Their Actions

 


Video is embedded in the article.

 

Fuck this fucking country.


You know...I'm veering more and more towards Old Man Ambler's view on things. Because this shit keeps fucking happening. Every couple of months, it's some school where "progressive" white people go on racist tirades/sing racist hymns/basically call black people niggers to their faces

 

but but but but:

 

They're just joking. They're not raaaacist. They looove black people and Kanye.

 

sigh.

 

I'm done with it. For those who are our allies, for those who generally want to learn how to be better people--I'll always have love for them.  But for every one else: fuck em. All those girls deserve to have their lives ruined. Because they know for damn sure what they're saying is wrong and think they'll get away with it because they're cute little white chicks.

 

They probably will too.

post #7591 of 7710

Well, it was their own friends that outed them, explaining that they considered themselves former friends after seeing it.

 

And the school is unlikely to let them off easy with the attention it has gotten.

 

I suspect their lesson will be harsh, but who knows if they'll actually learn anything.

post #7592 of 7710
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post

I like this tactic....



So this is third hand, but a connection I have on another forum who’s from Gainesville just posted that ‘an event coordinator for Spencer went to a bar in town to trade event tickets for beer. He got aggressive to incite a certain narrative on camera.’. And to watch out for a propaganda video. He hasn’t mentioned it by name yet but I’m trying to fish out more details.
post #7593 of 7710
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So this is third hand, but a connection I have on another forum who’s from Gainesville just posted that ‘an event coordinator for Spencer went to a bar in town to trade event tickets for beer. He got aggressive to incite a certain narrative on camera.’. And to watch out for a propaganda video. He hasn’t mentioned it by name yet but I’m trying to fish out more details.

 

The brew house that's home to brewery posted on their Facebook page that this indeed happened:

 

post #7594 of 7710
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You know...I'm veering more and more towards Old Man Ambler's view on things. Because this shit keeps fucking happening. Every couple of months, it's some school where "progressive" white people go on racist tirades/sing racist hymns/basically call black people niggers to their faces

 

but but but but:

 

They're just joking. They're not raaaacist. They looove black people and Kanye.

 

sigh.

 

I'm done with it. For those who are our allies, for those who generally want to learn how to be better people--I'll always have love for them.  But for every one else: fuck em. All those girls deserve to have their lives ruined. Because they know for damn sure what they're saying is wrong and think they'll get away with it because they're cute little white chicks.

 

They probably will too.

 

I'm more lenient on kids when it comes to stuff like stealing bubble gum or vandalizing public property, because those are not targeting specific social groups and is just kids getting stuff out of their system and learning right from wrong.  But the racism stuff is alot more disturbing to me, because it's specifically hate speech toward a  particular group, and that is only going to grow worse over time if they aren't unambiguously punished for it.  It already sounds like they're suffering socially since they lost some friends and are in the national spotlight, but a real punishment is needed to show this is serious business that shouldn't be joked about.

post #7595 of 7710

It's definitely backwards (in all senses).  I'm getting that feeling where it's some dumb thing that is giving the kids yuks and I'm just hearing about it.  They couldn't be dumb enough to not know what it sounds like when you reverse it, could they?

I there some "New Media Personality" out there has offered up a contest to get people to say this thing and then it's like "haha you said a rude thing and you don't even know it!"?  Seems like that sort of thing.

post #7596 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Muzman View Post
 

I there some "New Media Personality" out there has offered up a contest to get people to say this thing and then it's like "haha you said a rude thing and you don't even know it!"?  Seems like that sort of thing.

 

You don't really believe that do you?

post #7597 of 7710

In a world where Pewdiepie puts offers on Fiver for people to hold up signs that say 'Kill all Jews' for a lark I'd say yes, yes I do.

post #7598 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Muzman View Post
 

In a world where Pewdiepie puts offers on Fiver for people to hold up signs that say 'Kill all Jews' for a lark I'd say yes, yes I do.

 

Did people end up doing that though?  

post #7599 of 7710

My point is, nobody is going to hold up a sign about killing Jews unless they actually believe it.  Which means they're already racist in their private lives and didn't need Pwedie-whateverthefuck.

 

These girls are young and dumb, but I'm still waiting on evidence they were goaded into it by some online personality.  They're probably mildly racist at this point in danger of becoming very racist later on, and happened to get caught.

post #7600 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Muzman View Post
 

It's definitely backwards (in all senses).  I'm getting that feeling where it's some dumb thing that is giving the kids yuks and I'm just hearing about it.  They couldn't be dumb enough to not know what it sounds like when you reverse it, could they?

I there some "New Media Personality" out there has offered up a contest to get people to say this thing and then it's like "haha you said a rude thing and you don't even know it!"?  Seems like that sort of thing.

No, it really isn't.  But I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to believe that some "dark and mysterious" force was at work to make these poor, innocent girls say such horrid things. I mean look at how innocent (and white), naive (and white), and youthful (so white) they are. Clearly they had no idea what they were talking about.

 

FUCK. THAT. NOISE.

 

Yes they did. Every single one of those girls knew what they were saying. There is no excuse, no amount of "oh its kids being kids" should save them--but it will. Because of course it will. They're just so gosh darn innocent, that they had no idea what they were doing.

 

Also rappers say it.

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