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post #7601 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post
 

 

Did people end up doing that though?  

Yup.  Debate ensued as to whether they knew what they were really saying.  I don't recall a solid conclusion though. The incident got Pewds major google funded series cancelled though.  (It's all a ton of fun ethical intrigues too:  is it paternalistic to assume the guys had no idea what they were doing?  Is that as bad as rich white guys tossing relative pennies to browner folks from poorer lands to do tricks for them?  Is it all just holding up a mirror to the globalised gig economy? It's got it all)

 

Anyway, I'm just exploring the options here.  Seems like there would be some reason why it's backwards.  It's not really hiding anything in this day and age, as we can see.  If there is something it may add a wrinkle or two to the judgement.  (I can imagine some local game where people say 'un PC' stuff backwards for the lulz too, for instance.  Which would tell a tale about school culture and maybe that town.)

post #7602 of 7710

The buzzfeed article goes into a bit more depth about what happened

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/a-utah-high-school-is-investigating-a-video-showing-smiling?utm_term=.yq3KyOg72#.rrG6B5raO

 

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 "I'm not a fucking racist. The person I'm closest to is black and have always loved them," she wrote on Instagram. "Just thought I would set the record straight."

It'd be funny if it weren't so fucking pathetic.

post #7603 of 7710

LOL

post #7604 of 7710
It's amazing how many people seem incapable of understanding that, if you're unsure if something that you want to say could be offensive, racist or dangerous....it's best to just not say that thing. I'm sure a great many of us have had instances where you had to learn this the hard way but that should only ever happen once..
post #7605 of 7710

"I'm not a fucking racist. The person I'm closest to is black and have always loved them," she wrote on Instagram. "Just thought I would set the record straight."

 

 

You'd think the cliched excuse of saying "My best friend is black!" would have penetrated even into Utah, but I guess not.

post #7606 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
 

 

 

You'd think the cliched excuse of saying "My best friend is black!" would have penetrated even into Utah, but I guess not.

In Utah there is no penetration without white sheets involved.

post #7607 of 7710
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

Utah Cheerleaders Caught on Video Chanting Racial Slurs; School District Whitesplains Their Actions

 


Video is embedded in the article.

 

Fuck this fucking country.

 

I haven't seen the video but were they perhaps saying sparkling wiggles?

post #7608 of 7710
There's a black man that I worked with at my last job that I got to be really close friends with. We talked about movies a lot. I saw Django Unchained before he did and after I did he asked me about it while we were working one day. So we talked about it a while and described some of the parts that I found the most funny and related some of the dialogue from the movie exactly as it's said in the film without censoring myself. Does anybody think I would've said some of the words that I did around him if I wasn't 100% sure he wouldn't be offended? I hope not. I had to know this man for YEARS before I knew that he wouldn't be offended. If I had only been 99.9999999% sure then I would've greatly altered the way I described the movie or possibly not even talk about some of the parts at all. Even if I only THOUGHT I knew him that well. Even if he was the one who initiated the conversation about the movie. And just him. If there'd even been a chance of anyone else of ANY race being within earshot then hell no.

If you know someone 100% that well then you'll be 100% sure of it. And if you're not? No matter the context. No matter if even just quoting a movie....don't fucking do it. It's that simple..
post #7609 of 7710
post #7610 of 7710

That sounds about like something Cross would do.  His explanation of events, that is.

post #7611 of 7710

I understand the intellectual reasoning behind what he's saying, but doing that in-character-racist to someone you've never met really doesn't make any sense.  If that's Cross' reasoning, he sounds disturbed.

post #7612 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post
 

I understand the intellectual reasoning behind what he's saying, but doing that in-character-racist to someone you've never met really doesn't make any sense.  If that's Cross' reasoning, he sounds disturbed.

Yeah, not saying it was right.  I just think it was one of those things where someone was trying to be "edgy" funny, but turned out to not be funny at all.

post #7613 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post
 

I understand the intellectual reasoning behind what he's saying, but doing that in-character-racist to someone you've never met really doesn't make any sense.  If that's Cross' reasoning, he sounds disturbed.

I actually think I might believe him only because she even said he did a southern voice and really why would he do that voice to mock someone else's ethnicity? However I also know that he would never accept that and he would call them racist so whatever. Must be fun at his house right now considering who he is married to.

post #7614 of 7710

I believe him just fine, I just think it's fucking weird.

post #7615 of 7710
heh, from the description it sounds like he was Michael Scott from The Office in terms of cartoonishly ignorant behavior

and on those grounds itself I would want him destroyed

holy shit, he even says that he hopes this happens to others to so that they wouldn't be so quick to judge!

that's one way to issue a statement
post #7616 of 7710

As a kid, I once called my mom's black boyfriend, "boy", with zero understanding of why that would bother him.

 

A have a 12 year-old cousin who I had to explain to why doing the nazi salute as a joke was not okay.

 

I have no problem believing that a group of schoolgirls in Utah would be so massively ignorant as to think they were just being funny and edgy. They still deserve every punishment they get, from the school and the public. Ignorant kids who don't get harshly punished for being ignorant become ignorant adults.

post #7617 of 7710

Richard Spencer's speech happened:

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/thousands-of-protestors-show-up-in-florida-to-drown-out-richard-spencers-hate_us_59e8a469e4b00905bdaf1141

 

 

The lesson of the photo: Don't be a Nazi. Also: don't be the guy standing next to a Nazi.

post #7618 of 7710
Can't universities file restraining orders against these white trash goobers, since they just show up to incite violence?
post #7619 of 7710

There's first amendment issues at play.

 

But what gets me is that the university took his $10k to rent their facility, then paid $500k for security for his event. Don't they teach economics in Florida?

post #7620 of 7710
So if a member of ISIS wanted to four-wall an auditorium on a university campus, Republicans would say, "Well, there are first amendment issues at play," then?

He's part of a criminal hate group. Fuck him, his dumb haircut and his speech. He's got nothing to say that's worth hearing.
post #7621 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Farsight View Post
 

As a kid, I once called my mom's black boyfriend, "boy", with zero understanding of why that would bother him.

 

A have a 12 year-old cousin who I had to explain to why doing the nazi salute as a joke was not okay.

 

I have no problem believing that a group of schoolgirls in Utah would be so massively ignorant as to think they were just being funny and edgy. They still deserve every punishment they get, from the school and the public. Ignorant kids who don't get harshly punished for being ignorant become ignorant adults.

 

That's why I tend to give young people more of a pass, like I said.  Youth inspires ignorance, it's a package deal.  But it becomes important to teach them its not okay, and not a joke.

post #7622 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

Can't universities file restraining orders against these white trash goobers, since they just show up to incite violence?


I'd read that some of the professors at the university tried to block the event on workplace safety grounds, but it didn't go anywhere.

 

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 But what gets me is that the university took his $10k to rent their facility, then paid $500k for security for his event. Don't they teach economics in Florida?

I think the argument would be that if they'd jacked up the rental fee to cover the security costs it would have been viewed as an attempt to prevent him from speaking. Renting the facility has to cost the same no matter who is speaking and how much security may cost.

post #7623 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
 

I think the argument would be that if they'd jacked up the rental fee to cover the security costs it would have been viewed as an attempt to prevent him from speaking. Renting the facility has to cost the same no matter who is speaking and how much security may cost.

 

No it doesn't. By that reasoning, it would have to be free, or it's an attempt to keep poor people from speaking.

 

The $10k is designed to allow them to turn a profit from the use of their facilities. In this case, their profit is at best -$490k. There's nothing illegal about them adding a line to their rental agreement that if they deem additional security is needed, you either pay them for it ahead, or they refund your rental payment.

 

 

Instead, they just blew half a mil in school funds to protect a Nazi.

post #7624 of 7710
I feel like the university could've actually told the chubby limpdick to go soak his head if they really wanted to. But it's Florida, so what do you expect?
post #7625 of 7710

They actually couldn't, and it's not a Florida thing. It's a State University. State Universities, being owned and operated by the government, are not allowed to deny speakers on idealogical grounds.

 

That's why Milo keeps booking gigs at Berkeley. They can't legally deny him from speaking, provided he's paid the fees and filled out the right paperwork, and he knows it's going to cause the majority of the student body to protest, and the nazis that came to see him are going to start fights and blame it on antifa.

post #7626 of 7710
Eh, they could tell him to sue them for his precious free speech rights and tie it up in the courts for years until the little puke is broke and his Nazi puke supplicants are dead from opiod overdoses or behind bars where they belong.
post #7627 of 7710

It has never tied the courts up for years. There's tons of case law from this year alone as precedent.

post #7628 of 7710

Hang on... Half a MILLION for security? For one day? You could deploy 1000 National Guard for that. At a day rate, that's the cost of 100 US soldiers in Afghanistan. What the hell did they use, ED-209's?

post #7629 of 7710

The governor declared a state of emergency two days before the speech.

 

The 500,000 was the combined security cost for the University, local law enforcement, and state law enforcement.

post #7630 of 7710

 

 

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Originally Posted by Ska Oreo View Post
 

No, it really isn't.  But I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to believe that some "dark and mysterious" force was at work to make these poor, innocent girls say such horrid things. I mean look at how innocent (and white), naive (and white), and youthful (so white) they are. Clearly they had no idea what they were talking about.

 

FUCK. THAT. NOISE.

 

Yes they did. Every single one of those girls knew what they were saying. There is no excuse, no amount of "oh its kids being kids" should save them--but it will. Because of course it will. They're just so gosh darn innocent, that they had no idea what they were doing.

 

Also rappers say it.

 

At the risk of dragging this out way too much, I've seen people in highschool and after talked through saying all kinds of awful shit and not realising it until after they've done it.  I've heard radio stations do it. The joke is making them do it.  People are dumb, they are naive and they are innocent and at times a mixture of all three.  Sometimes to a surprisingly advanced age.

What's the case here? Dunno really.  No one is offering that kind of defense that I can find (probably figuring the less said the better at this point).

Young people also play "edgy" language games like this from time to time.  Because when you're terribly immature the naughtiness of every wrong sounding thing is funny.  Transgression is exciting.  Being immature like this doesn't necessarily go away with age either and even when it does it is something a lot of people like to induce on purpose.

I don't like it, but it is true.   Since racially based material is fodder for all of the above, is that indicative of an at least mildly racist society? I think it is.  But also because of all that I'm hesitant to deal absolute condemnation on people for falling into it.  Maybe if I lived somewhere else I'd feel differently.

That said, because of all these complexities I think are very real I don't think it's some sort of dismissive apologism to reserve judgement and think there might be something else going on when people are caught filming themselves chanting a racial slur backwards for no apparent reason.

post #7631 of 7710
It’s sort of like listening to a teen talk politics. It’s a given that it’s stupid and incoherent. Nobody thinks that child should know better because they’re getting all that info as regurgitation from their parents’ mouths.
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post #7633 of 7710
In which she very sensibly says she and her husband do not, in fact have the same brain and she’s not responsible for things he says.
post #7634 of 7710

Very reasonable and realistic?  She'll be torn apart!

post #7635 of 7710

The Tamblyn-Cross relationship's always been the top of my "Really?" list. 

post #7636 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Lightning Slim View Post

In which she very sensibly says she and her husband do not, in fact have the same brain and she’s not responsible for things he says.

But.....is she not enabling a monster?

post #7637 of 7710

Sure. Teenagers say and do stupid shit all the time. I've said and done stupid shit when I was in highschool--we all have. The thing is, that's no real excuse; especially when the N-word still has an unfortunate place in America in 2017. Not because Black people are uppity and are "making everything about race," but because that word is still being used to put us in our place--in 2017. Because that word implicates White America's involvement in the enslavement, murder, rape of millions of Blacks. When that word represents a police force so terrified of young black males that they'll gun them down for any provocation, and represents an Administration that despises blackness to a degree that it's wiling to destroy this country out of pure spite alone. So yeah, a bunch of white girls giggling and laughing because they think they're being clever, because they find it exciting and fun to say a word that they know they shouldn't say--throw 'em to the goddamn wolves.

 

And honestly, the more I read about this and read about the school they come from (which is, unsurprisingly, predominantly white), I highly doubt that any self-reflection will come from this. Because that takes a level of awareness that less and less people seem to have these days. When one of the girls is using the same "BUT I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE" excuse that adults who should know better use--yeah, they'll just learn how to hide it better.

post #7638 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

The Tamblyn-Cross relationship's always been the top of my "Really?" list. 

Well yeah. 

post #7639 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Ska Oreo View Post
 

Sure. Teenagers say and do stupid shit all the time. I've said and done stupid shit when I was in highschool--we all have. The thing is, that's no real excuse; especially when the N-word still has an unfortunate place in America in 2017. Not because Black people are uppity and are "making everything about race," but because that word is still being used to put us in our place--in 2017. Because that word implicates White America's involvement in the enslavement, murder, rape of millions of Blacks. When that word represents a police force so terrified of young black males that they'll gun them down for any provocation, and represents an Administration that despises blackness to a degree that it's wiling to destroy this country out of pure spite alone. So yeah, a bunch of white girls giggling and laughing because they think they're being clever, because they find it exciting and fun to say a word that they know they shouldn't say--throw 'em to the goddamn wolves.

 

And honestly, the more I read about this and read about the school they come from (which is, unsurprisingly, predominantly white), I highly doubt that any self-reflection will come from this. Because that takes a level of awareness that less and less people seem to have these days. When one of the girls is using the same "BUT I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE" excuse that adults who should know better use--yeah, they'll just learn how to hide it better.

 

If they are thrown to the wolves they're likely to wake up and realize how horrible their behavior was and change.  It's the brushing it off with the excuse of "teenager" that makes it inconsequential and they can keep their racism.

post #7640 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Waaaaaaaalt View Post
 

But.....is she not enabling a monster?

A monster?  Jesus Christ, the Internet sometimes.

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post #7642 of 7710
I know it's a dangerous way to think and shouldn't really go any further than people saying it in a knee-jerk "fuck these assholes" kinda way but....I'd love it if these guys and people like those fuck sticks at Westboro woke up one morning and found that their rights were no longer protected by the Constitution..
post #7643 of 7710

British television show accused of "brownfacing" after using prosthetics and make-up so that a white woman with anti-Muslim views could spend a week learning what it's like to be a Pakistani Muslim in modern-day Britain. 

post #7644 of 7710
That sounds like an idea that was bound to backfire. However...

Is it really brownfacing if the person is, you know, in disguise?
post #7645 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
 

A monster?  Jesus Christ, the Internet sometimes.

I hope you understand im not actually saying.......fucking internet.

post #7646 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Waaaaaaaalt View Post

I hope you understand im not actually saying.......fucking internet.
GODDAMN INTERNET!!!
post #7647 of 7710
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Originally Posted by Lightning Slim View Post

That sounds like an idea that was bound to backfire. However...

Is it really brownfacing if the person is, you know, in disguise?

 

Yeah, "accuse" doesn't seem like the right word.  I mean, you can disagree with the idea that brownface is okay if it's for a good cause, but I don't think anyone's going to deny that that was the whole idea of the sgement.

post #7648 of 7710

 

Apparently they shouted "heil hitler!" before firing.  Wish that was a joke.

post #7649 of 7710

A pretty great article on the progress being made in Ferguson, in stark contrast to the continuing racism and police corruption elsewhere around St Louis and at the federal level with creepy Klan elf Jeff Sessions.

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ferguson-jeff-sessions-police-reform-st-louis_us_59c535fce4b06ddf45f791a9

post #7650 of 7710
Sometimes the stupidity of “educated” people totally baffles me. Georgia representative Betty Price (who I assume went to medical school because she’s a licensed physician) asked a state epidemiologist if it would be cost effective to quarantine people with HIV.

https://gizmodo.com/georgia-rep-betty-price-ponders-whether-state-could-ju-1819740820

Quarantine is a great way to incentivize people NOT to go get tested, and therefore increase the number of potential carriers for HIV because what makes HIV so damn hard to control is the fact that a lot of people don’t know they’ve contracted it. Often the disease has flu-like symptoms when a person is first infected, but after a few weeks those symptoms go away and then the person typically won’t show any other signs of the infection for a few years until the virus totally ravages their immune system and causes AIDS.

People who have HIV and know they have it typically tend to be the people who are least likely to infect someone else. Recent studies even show that people who are infected and always take the antiviral medications so that their viral load is undetectable can have unprotected sex and 99.99% of the time they will not pass on the infection.

https://www.preventionaccess.org/faq
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