Game Of Thrones Season 2: Throne Harder SPOILER FREE - Page 23

Yeah, good catch on Bolton, that was a pretty ominous look.  Robb's being too compassionate.

Theon was definitely behind killing the orphans, but everything he's doing is because that second in command is staring daggers into him at every moment.  You can see Theon second guessing every decision he's made, Alfie's knocking it out of the park with his facial expressions alone. 

Nifty trick on the Warlock's part.  Why doesn't he just conquer Westeros?

Charles Dance needs to be in every scene of every TV show.

Aaaand this is officially the week I feel pity for Cersei Lannister. Wasn't expecting that at all.

Jon Snow drops his cloak and unleashes L'il Bastard on the wildling chick before the season's done. Of this I have zero doubts.

The Arya/Tywin situation is so goddamn sweet I wanna slather it on my pancakes. Can't wait for the moment those two play their cards finally.

Creepy Joel Grey Warlock is Creepy.

Cat: Brienne, my sword!
Jamie: Don't talk like one of them. Because you're not. Even if you'd like to be. See, to them, you're just a freak. Like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out. Like a leper! You see, their morals, their code....it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you! When the chips are down, these "civilized" people? They'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.

NEXT WEEK ON GAME OF THRONES

Jamie Lannister silently, crazily hangs his head out of the back window of a carriage headed for King's Landing at dawn.

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Getting the menses for the first time must be difficult enough without half the castle running into your room to check out the mess you left on your bed.

 I was thinking the same thing. Would anyone else like to come into her room and check the sheets. Makes you wonder if it was a daily ritual.

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That scene with Jaime in prison was some stone cold-blooded shit right there. 

Hey prison changes a man, he's keeping it real. He'll shank a fool in a second on the chow line.

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That Northern chick is saucy.

Don't forget about the nurse, the show has 3 more episodes to deliver the goods, or there will be trouble.

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What I cannot forgive is her being mean to Jorah.  Jesus, woman,  what the hell else could you possibly want from this guy?

Have you met many women? Seemed normal to me .... 

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Catelyn's "Gag him!" was the best line of the episode. No one talks shit like Jaime Lannister.

Definitely Agree. They're brothers so it makes perfect sense ... I think I would rather be in a hand to hand fight with Drogo then have to be in a verbal argument with Tyrion and Jamie at the same time. I just feel the former would be quicker and certainly less painful. 

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I'm not sold on Finchy being behind it, as I don't think the show would remove that responsibility for that move from Theon himself at this point.  It was probably Theon, although it's an extremely short-term way for him to look crueler rather than weaker if that is the case.

It was probably Theon's idea after a pointed look and a raised eyebrow from Finchy.

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Yeah, good catch on Bolton, that was a pretty ominous look.  Robb's being too compassionate.

Which is a great contrast with Theon.  Theon's second pretty much has him dancing to his tune.  Robb is staying true to his beliefs despite a second pushing him in the other direction.

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At first I thought the ending was just a weak cliffhanger, but an hour later it occurred to me that they went out of their way to remind us that they had sent 2 orphan boys from Winterfell to that keep recently.  Which suggests that Bran and Osha went to extremely dark lengths to throw Theon off the scent.

Well, he was going to sell her out and have her executed in the first season before he changed his mind. And he can be a little too creepy lovely dovey towards her once in a while. She's obviously unsure if she trusts him because she's not sure if he's doing what he's doing out of love or LOVE.

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Have you met many women? Seemed normal to me .... 

You're an asshole. Remember that shit I wrote last week about how you complaining about Deny hinted at some troubling issues with women? Thanks for confirming it.

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Not gonna lie, as a reader I did an embarrassingly loud bit of clapping at "You know nothing, Jon Snow."

Same here.  That line is practically a drinking game in the book.   

They can really spike the ball on casting Ygritte, by the way. And Roose Bolton.

Also, showdown comin'!

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Same here.  That line is practically a drinking game in the book.   

Me as well.  They really did a great job teasing it for those of us who knew it had to be coming at some point.

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You're an asshole. Remember that shit I wrote last week about how you complaining about Deny hinted at some troubling issues with women? Thanks for confirming it.

It was a joke douche, stop being such a pussy.

All I said was that Dany was acting like a brat, a sentiment which about 20 other people have confirmed since. You didn't figure anything out, stop thinking your smarter then you actually are.

Troubling issues? really? What a little bitch.

What bugs be about Dany is that while she's certainly heroic in a rousing, 'Lawful Good' kind of way, her bloodline is so crazy in the coconut that I can't root for her ascendance to power. Jaime killing her Dad seemed like the best possible outcome for everyone, at least in theory.

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What bugs be about Dany is that while she's certainly heroic in a rousing, 'Lawful Good' kind of way, her bloodline is so crazy in the coconut that I can't root for her ascendance to power. Jaime killing her Dad seemed like the best possible outcome for everyone, at least in theory.

 Something "bugs" you about Dany?, she might be "crazy"?

I think you might have some "troubling issues" with women, I would seek help. Or at least think about being more sensitive to the feelings of others ...... j/k

Well that's where Tyrion's line about tossing a coin when a Targaryen was born comes in.  Viserys was the batshit crazy one.  Dany probably turned out okay.

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Well that's where Tyrion's line about tossing a coin when a Targaryen was born comes in.  Viserys was the batshit crazy one.  Dany probably turned out okay.

Dany certainly isn't crazy, I would argue that neither was Viserys. He was also a spoiled and entitled brat however, and payed for it with his life.

Then again, you would have to be a little crazy to threaten the life of Kal Drogo's wife and unborn child to his face ... but he didn't have the madness like Joffrey and the Mad King.

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Well that's where Tyrion's line about tossing a coin when a Targaryen was born comes in.  Viserys was the batshit crazy one.  Dany probably turned out okay.

Yeah, it's not Dany I'd be worried about - it's that the realm would be fucked 50% of the time ad infinitum, or until Robert and Ned 2.0  finally come around.

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Well, he was going to sell her out and have her executed in the first season before he changed his mind. And he can be a little too creepy lovely dovey towards her once in a while. She's obviously unsure if she trusts him because she's not sure if he's doing what he's doing out of love or LOVE.

She doesn't know about that, does she?  And in any case, that was when he barely knew her and he was being offered quite a bit for it, plus he, you know, didn't do it.  Also I don't think there's been anything creepy about his love for her; he's been tirelessly devoted but it's not as if he's been made a move or laid a hand on her.  I find it weird that realizing that he's in love with her seems to make her trust him less.

How awesomely creepy was the warlock's power play?  I'm really liking how the magic there is being presented; there's a matter-of-factness that makes it even more unsettling than mansmoke being pushed out of a witch's crotch in a dank cave while ominous music blares.

The shriek of agony from my daughter's side of the couch as the teaser for next week rolled: "Two more episodes??? Only TWO??? Noooooooo!!!!!!"

Couldn't have put it better myself.

I liked Theon this week, especially the part where he was so desperate to prove himself he started acting like a total asshole.

Theon absolutely knew what was happening.  He was the one that ordered Luhwin away and back to Winterfell and until that point he was quite anxious for Luhwin to be a witness to what he intended.  Once he realized that he wouldn't catch the boys he had to get Luhwin out of sight so that he could use the old man's reaction in front of the people of Winterfell.

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The shriek of agony from my daughter's side of the couch as the teaser for next week rolled: "Two more episodes??? Only TWO??? Noooooooo!!!!!!"

 

Couldn't have put it better myself.

There's actually 3, I think they just worded that rather poorly as it's two more episodes after next weeks.

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There's actually 3, I think they just worded that rather poorly as it's two more episodes after next weeks.

That's like a call from the governor. Thanks!

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I liked Theon this week, especially the part where he was so desperate to prove himself he started acting like a total asshole.

Everything pathetic about Theon's newly found testicles is in the fact that he couldn't even hand out a decent fat man asswhooping without getting winded within 10 seconds.

Although the horrible, drawn-out, and head-turningly-can't-watch outright disturbing death of Joffrey will be one of the most satisfying experiences in the history of television ["Someday..." as he smiles into the middle distance], I've recently realized that the person I'm most itching for a throat-slitting in his immediate future is Theon's smirking, manipulative first mate.

So, this is how many eps without Stannis now? And one more than that without Melisandre.

Well, Shadowshanking is hard damn work.

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Although the horrible, drawn-out, and head-turningly-can't-watch outright disturbing death of Joffrey will be one of the most satisfying experiences in the history of television ["Someday..." as he smiles into the middle distance], I've recently realized that the person I'm most itching for a throat-slitting in his immediate future is Theon's smirking, manipulative first mate.

I can't help but think that first mate is going to throw Theon to the wolves (read: his father and sister) as soon as this Winterfell thing falls apart.

To me, it seemed like Jamie Lannister wants to die.  That's the impression I got from the moment he started confiding in the cousin/squire.

Also, I think Dany's right not to trust anybody, not even Jorah.  She's just growing up.  She'll probably trust him again, but on terms of being more in control of her own destiny.

The Arya/Tywin stuff is incredible.  I hope both of them get Emmys, for whatever that's worth. 
 

Jamie taunted Cate from his cage before, at the end of Season 1.  He doesn't want to live locked up, that is for certain.  Unfortunately, he is worth too much alive.

Yeah, the two episodes teaser made me feel like I was actually getting ROBBED.  Fortunately, it appears that is not the case.

Jaime is the Sawyer of Westeros. He gets a weird hard-on from making people hate him. He'd probably say he's doing it to show off how brave he is, but I think it's a subconscious self-loathing-to-the-point-of-having-a-death-wish.

There's also the aspect of Jaime really having done the right thing.  He obeys his oaths, Aerys pretty much takes out the whole city in his madness.  So Jaime saves all of Kings Landing, does what everyone was onboard with Robert and Ned doing, and what does he get for his trouble?  Branded "Kingslayer" and hated by everyone.  I'd be a little pissed off too.

So far it seems the villains outlive the "good guys but I really sense the walls closing in on Theon this year. So, who does him in and how? 

1) Creepy Finchy second in command kills him, performs him own coup and takes over, starting an unending series of takeovers 

2) Robb's forces take back Winterfell somehow (unlikely)

3) Yara puts him out of his misery 

4) Maester Luhwin Body Slam Secret Attack

5) Trips and falls and dies by accident

6) Arya uses him as a surprise last kill and Jaqen cuts his throat 

Dickson, was your last post a spoiler, or did they reveal it in the latest episode? I haven't seen it yet.

Yeah, I *think* that's a big spoiler. In his defense, though, they list that tidbit on the GOT show wikia as part of Jamie's established history, but I don't remember that part ever being spelled out in the series. I thought that was a reveal later on.

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It was a joke douche, stop being such a pussy.

 

All I said was that Dany was acting like a brat, a sentiment which about 20 other people have confirmed since. You didn't figure anything out, stop thinking your smarter then you actually are.

 

Troubling issues? really? What a little bitch.

You're.

And HAHAHA sexism is FUNNY

Two things, one, I think Halfhand sized up Jon Snow and left him with Ygritte on purpose. It makes more sense than just leaving the kid to do the job. Like the mountains of Afghanistan, north of the Wall is all territory where the Night's Watch simply do not have the familiarity to gain the upper hand, so Halfhand put up Snow as bait to draw out the Wildlings, and more importantly, Mance Rayder. I'm pretty sure that's going to happen.

Two, Maester Luwin's reaction to what he presumed to be Bran and Rickon, and his behavior overall, again takes me back to the first season when Bran faced assassination. I thought Luwin knew what was going on and attempted to get Catelyn away from Bran so that the assassin could do his work, but now that clearly doesn't make any sense to me and makes me even more certain that Joffrey set up the kill to get back at Tyrion.

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Dickson, was your last post a spoiler, or did they reveal it in the latest episode? I haven't seen it yet.

Did he edit what he'd posted before?  Because what I see posted there has either been stated outright or strongly inferred and I certainly haven't read the books.

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Did he edit what he'd posted before?  Because what I see posted there has either been stated outright or strongly inferred and I certainly haven't read the books.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they talked about what Jaime did back in the first season.

Yeah, he had that whole conversation with Ned in the throne room where they touched on pretty much all of that, right?  Jaime sitting on the throne when Robert and Ned entered the hall, etc.

Also, I find it amusing that Downton Abbey did a better job of plaining up Rose Leslie than here, where she's supposed to be living rough in the wild.

Yeah, she's nearly as pretty as Jon Snow, but only nearly.

The S1 Blu-Ray even shows it in animated form. He's fine.

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Yeah, she's nearly as pretty as Jon Snow, but only nearly.

You know nothing, Jacknife Johnny.

Yeah, they discussed it. Jaime had that great line after Robert asked him what the Mad King said after he stabbed him in the back, "He said the same thing he had been saying for hours.'Burn them all.'"

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Yeah, she's nearly as pretty as Jon Snow, but only nearly.

Ha, yeah, almost.  I spent the whole episode trying to place why I recognized her, and when I looked her up...  really?  Her?  It was like encountering some girl you barely noticed in high school years later, and just being blown away.

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Yeah, they discussed it. Jaime had that great line after Robert asked him what the Mad King said after he stabbed him in the back, "He said the same thing he had been saying for hours.'Burn them all.'"

Is this the only reference to the burning? If so, it's vague.

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There's also the aspect of Jaime really having done the right thing.  He obeys his oaths, Aerys pretty much takes out the whole city in his madness.  So Jaime saves all of Kings Landing, does what everyone was onboard with Robert and Ned doing, and what does he get for his trouble?  Branded "Kingslayer" and hated by everyone.  I'd be a little pissed off too.

I think it's along these lines.  Jaime clearly has some semblance of self-loathing.  It's not people hating him that bothers him -- it's the fact they hate him for that.  Of all the awful things he's done, he's most hated for something he feels was the right decision.

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Is this the only reference to the burning? If so, it's vague.

There were several references to Ned's father, brother, and sister being burned alive in front of the court. Jamie saying that was both informative that he did the right thing, and a pointed barb at Robert because he knows Robert still mourns Lyanna. Furthermore, there are extra references to the Mad King ordering whole swaths of the city be lit on fire, to suppress rebels.