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Not only that, she didn't seem as horrified by it as you think she would.


Horrified?  She played right along with it just to fuck with him.  That bitch is hard.

 

post #302 of 2123

Yeah, I like her already.

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Tyrion bouncing the captain of the guard was the best, but everything with Arya's group was up there.  I was a bit puzzled by Theon's characterization, as I never got the impression that he his loyalty to Robb wasn't sincere, but he seemed eager to sell out the Starks even before his father declared his intention to go after them anyway.  Still, the Greyjoys seem to be an interesting addition overall.


He was always a bit wishy washy in season 1. There's little things here and there that make him slightly suspect. He's always just a little too eager to please, like he can't wait to seize an opportunity of power.  For example, he couldn't wait to kill the Dire Wolves after Ned said they should die without their mother. And when Robb chastised him, he was quick to point out "I serve your father, not you." I think he's a mirror character to Jon, who is also an outcast in his house, but remains faithful to them, even when he's sent somewhere else to serve the realm.

post #304 of 2123

Blood has a lot, if not all, to do with the goings on in the world (at least for the aristocracy). Theon is a ward, a nicer term for "hostage"; he doesn't even get to say he comes from Ned Stark, Theon is there as a punishment. He can put on the fake smile, he can swear to the King in the North but when he finally returns home, finds no welcome there and his father practically disavowing his existence, it's a pretty safe bet that the years of little resentments, of being reminded (like Jon Snow as Parker said) that he didn't belong there, at Winterfell, and because of that, he doesn't belong on the Pyke will cause him no end of anxiety and more suspect behavior.

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Arya telling Gendry her identity was a BAD move.  He's probably gonna turn her in to save his own skin.  

 



I dunno.  I think we may find out that Gendry's got most of what made Robert great in his youth...assuming he doesn't get himself killed.  But maybe that's me being optimistic. 

post #306 of 2123

I don't think Gendry would sell Arya out, but I also don't think he's quite dumb enough to think that turning her over would actually buy him any leniency from the people who had the last two Hands of the King murdered anyway.  He's not educated, but he seems to understand that honor doesn't mean much to the nobility when it's in the way of what they want.

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It's straight from the books.



What books?

post #308 of 2123

What would Gendry have to gain from selling Arya out? Joffrey would probably just kill them both. He also just seems like a genuinely nice guy, and not in that Lord Baelish sort of way.

 

Speaking of Baelish, his talk with Roz reminded of of some of Cy's talks with Joanie in "Deadwood".

post #309 of 2123
It was a very Deadwood speech, maybe the most Deadwood-y speech since Deadwood.
post #310 of 2123

The Greyjoy scenes fell flat for me. I dunno. Balon didn't impress. I kept thinking he was Poor Man's Bill Nighy. The sister is cool. Alfie Allen probably put forth his best performance thus far in that scene. The Iron Price / Gold Price stuff was fascinating. But I dunno. 

 

Arya / Gendry and Tyrion scenes were the highlights. Love Varys. LOVE Davos.

 

And as much as it pains me to say it, Melisandre and Stannis' big scene at the end was lacking. Stannis is such a black hole of charisma, and Melisandre is so mysteriously overconfident, there wasn't a lot to hold on to. I know both characters are intentionally drawn that way, but it was surprisingly not engaging at all. Davos left the room and took everything interesting with him. 

 

This second episode solidified my theory that the Season 2 premiere was really a masterpiece of television. 

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Another good episode, hopefully they will ease up with adding more characters atm though. I enjoyed the addition of Greyjoys daugther though, Theons face was priceless when he learned his sister was commander. My favourite part was seeing those whitewalkers again, hopefully we can get more then a few glimpses in upcomming episodes, Stannis is probably the one storyline I can do without atm.


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hopefully they will ease up with adding more characters atm though



I think they've averaged adding between 3 - 5 prominent new characters every episode since the pilot. I don't see that ever letting up. 

 

 

post #314 of 2123

This episode was like a Dinklage highlight reel.  Loved it.

 

I'm really digging all the Greyjoy / Stannis stuff as well.  The scope keeps expanding, but its all unfolding in a way that never feels unwieldy.  Phenomenal storytelling.

 

And good Lord, Carice van Houten...   

post #315 of 2123

I can't wait to see more of Balon.  His actor really impressed me in that scene, hitting all of the right notes for the character.  Stern, with a slightly off-putting quality.

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I can't wait to see more of Balon.  His actor really impressed me in that scene, hitting all of the right notes for the character.  Stern, with a slightly off-putting quality.



I know "the books don't exist" and all that, but I have to say they yet again nailed the casting with Balon. He's pretty much exactly like I pictured him in the books. Sounds just like the old crank in my head, too.

post #317 of 2123

Great episode. I don't mind that there are a few threads that are taking a little time to get going, it's the way the show works, and I'm relatively confident that it'll all come along just fine. On the sexposition stuff, I pretty much forgave and accepted it last season, but the brief cum dribble thing wasn't funny or clever, just infantile and gross. They need to put the kibosh on that kind of shit before they get really careless and it begins to have a seriously negative impact on the show.

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This is the best thing in the history of the world.

 

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Great episode. I don't mind that there are a few threads that are taking a little time to get going, it's the way the show works, and I'm relatively confident that it'll all come along just fine. On the sexposition stuff, I pretty much forgave and accepted it last season, but the brief cum dribble thing wasn't funny or clever, just infantile and gross. They need to put the kibosh on that kind of shit before they get really careless and it begins to have a seriously negative impact on the show.



it wasn't the cum dribble, it was the sloppy french kiss that followed that sealed the deal.  I thought it was a great bit of demystification for that lifestyle. Things were getting a bit too sexy around Baelish's pleasure house.

post #320 of 2123

I hope we get a "Daenerys-centric" episode sooner than later.  I know that we're only two episodes in, but the dragons were the big cliffhanger for Season One and Daenerys only having two short scenes out of both episodes so far seems...underwhelming.  However, since they seem to be following a "one character getting the largest chunk out of an episode" format, and it took Arya the second episode to get her story going again, I know they won't keep Daenerys in the dark for too much longer.

post #321 of 2123

I think it's going to be a while before we see Dany's story really develop, those dragons are growing awfully slow....

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I think it's going to be a while before we see Dany's story really develop, those dragons are growing awfully slow....

I agree. I have a feeling they are a long time thing, like the wolves. The wolves have been around a good while now, and are still smaller than their mother. Time passing in this show is a bit inconsistent,but I have a feeling the dragons have at least a year to go before they are dangerous, and a few before they're TERRIFYING..

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This is the best thing in the history of the world.

 


I'd be chasing after Carice Van Houten if I ever saw her, too.

 

Theon continues to be treated like a little runt by everyone. At this point I do not see the season ending without him betraying the Starks and maybe even his own family. And man, his sister going on with the groping is among the most cold and manipulative maneuvers in a show filled with them. I also don't see how Arya may be in danger by Gendry knowing about her. Quite the opposite, actually. And for all of Tyrion's awesomeness I loved seeing Varys remind him that he's not the smartest person in the room by default anymore.

 

Oh just one more thing.

MOAR DAENERYS NOW! TEAM TARGARYEN IS NOT AMUSED! 

 

 

post #324 of 2123

re:  Dany's story developing slowly because of the dragons being so young and slow to age, I actually think that's what makes this period of her arc so fascinating, and in fact think that the most dramatic potential with the dragons could come from their infancy.  Daenerys is still in a position of vulnerability in spite of her dragons, with a rekindled passion for reclaiming the throne but more immediate obstacles than amassing followers, like wondering if she will make it through the night.  She has scant followers and is in an expansive desert environment, with the threat of possibly losing her dragons or her people, less moving her story forward and more like a cameo when her last appearance in the first season was such a high note.  Focusing so little on Dany's struggles seems odd to me - in each episode now, her one appearance has been far too little.  I want to see more of her in that environment with Jorah and the dragons, and I don't want that early journey to be shortchanged until the dragons are stronger.

 

I love how things are developing this season, don't get me wrong, but the two "Oh right, Daenerys still exists too" appearances so far are a little shaky.

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Dany is pretty much in the Hijra part of her arc now. Let's see how closely Martin sticks to Muhhamad's story when it comes to her. I have a feeling both she and Melisandre as opposing poles are going to develop the war for the throne into a religious conflict in the future.

post #326 of 2123
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AWESOME!

 

Today the internet suggested to me that Carice Van Houten isn't hot enough to play Melisandre. Considering I turn into Blankman at her sight I'd be afraid to see what would be considered hot enough.

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AWESOME!

 

Today the internet suggested to me that Carice Van Houten isn't hot enough to play Melisandre. Considering I turn into Blankman at her sight I'd be afraid to see what would be considered hot enough.



The same internet that told me once that Roz wasn't that hot, and she was just distracting in every scene.

 

So, the answer to your question is: a breast. A single, massive, Death Star breast looming ominously in the sky over all man's works that speaks in naught but paralyzing, telekinetic Inception horns.

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The same internet that told me once that Roz wasn't that hot, and she was just distracting in every scene.

 

So, the answer to your question is: a breast. A single, massive, Death Star breast looming ominously in the sky over all man's works that speaks in naught but paralyzing, telekinetic Inception horns.



A Reaper-Breast?

 

And one of the things I admire most about this show (though admittedly it's an effect of budget as much as anything else) is that it's populated by folks that look like real people, not silicone-infused, airbrushed supermodels.  Even the folks that -do- have the "underwear model looks" get dirtied up and grizzled enough to look human (Robb and Jon spring to mind).  Cersei might be an exception but she's also the queen, living the soft life in King's Landing so she has the time and patience to get properly "done up."

 

I know we're supposed to avoid the book references and all, but judging from fanart, most artistically-inclined fans seem to think Melisandre looks like a comic book supervillainess in medieval clothing, maniacally eeeeevil grin optional.

 

To be fair, when I first heard of Carice's casting I wasn't sure how it would work out, but she totally sold me in the premiere.  They've done an excellent job of playing up the "strangeness" about her which works much better as a defining characteristic for the character than "ZOMG HAWT!" (Not that Ms. Van Houten isn't very hot, mind).

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I agree with Draco that NOW is exactly the time to look in on Dany.  This is her "formative" period, so to speak.  I specifically hope they DON'T wait for the dragons to get bigger, or we will miss what makes her into whatever she will be.

 

I simply presume the show knows what it is doing wrt the multiple storylines.  I assume she will get her due when it is time.

 

And I think Gendry will be a good egg, at least initially.  I don't think he would rat out Arya any more than she would rat him out.

post #330 of 2123

Dany would fall out of the plot every now and again in the first season, keep in mind. I think focusing on the Westeros side of things is wise, because that's where most of the conflict is right now, and where most of the moves are being made.

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And one of the things I admire most about this show (though admittedly it's an effect of budget as much as anything else) is that it's populated by folks that look like real people, not silicone-infused, airbrushed supermodels. 

 

I like this too, especially with characters like Catelyn; where shes very pretty, but in that 'times are rough and I've had a whole bunch of kids' kind of way.

 

Speaking of which... she was notably absent this week.  I'm thinking we get a Catelyn-heavy episode before we get a Dany-heavy episode, for sure.   

 

 

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Dany would fall out of the plot every now and again in the first season, keep in mind. I think focusing on the Westeros side of things is wise, because that's where most of the conflict is right now, and where most of the moves are being made.


I may be the only one, but I've found the Dothraki stuff, dragons and all, to be far less interesting than the Westeros intrigue throughout the entire run.

post #333 of 2123

The show's a bit schizophrenic when it comes to the Hollywood looks. I think some of them are, in fact, a bit more perfectly photogenic than you're giving credit for--Dany, Cersei, Jaime, all the Stark children--though for the most part we're talking about people who have lived high off the hog. The only exception being Dany, and she's got an ethereal magic aura or whatever from being a Targaryen, so whatever. But most of the other characters do look more or less like they inhabit a real medieval world. Oddly enough, I count Ros and Shae in this--they look like girls who were lucky enough to be born pretty in a harsh world, rather than perfectly airbrushed glamour models.

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You are by no means the only one. The Westeros characters are far more interesting to me. I think that this is because that the arc that Daenerys (and to some extent Jon Snow) is going through is a kind of standard in that "character finds self" sort of way. It's familiar, and there's something about the beats in that story that feel really good when they happen, which I think a lot of people respond to in a positive way. But in Westeros there's this web of intrigue that's entirely character and society driven, and I think that that story is a lot more interesting, and not in the cheap "mystery box" sort of way, either. You're finding out what really matters to these people in the middle of this crucible, which is deeply fascinating to me.

 

Not to say that I don't enjoy Daenerys' story, of course. It's a part of the show that I really like, but it's the "B Plot" for now, and I think for good reason.

 

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post #335 of 2123

I am very interested in the Dany story.  I loved her arc in S1 and based on her image closing out that season, I expect her arc is just beginning (I have not read the books).  It is certainly somewhat disconnected from the main Clash of Kings storyline in Westeros, but I sense she plays a major role in the "long ball" look at the series.  Based on that, I do want to follow her story and see her development.

post #336 of 2123
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You are by no means the only one. The Westeros characters are far more interesting to me. I think that this is because that the arc that Daenerys (and to some extent Jon Snow) is going through is a kind of standard in that "character finds self" sort of way. It's familiar, and there's something about the beats in that story that feel really good when they happen, which I think a lot of people respond to in a positive way. But in Westeros there's this web of intrigue that's entirely character and society driven, and I think that that story is a lot more interesting, and not in the cheap "mystery box" sort of way, either. You're finding out what really matters to these people in the middle of this crucible, which is deeply fascinating to me.

 

Not to say that I don't enjoy Daenerys' story, of course. It's a part of the show that I really like, but it's the "B Plot" for now, and I think for good reason.

 

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I think the main reason that Dany and Jon's storylines have been the slower bits for me is that they don't have the "web" you reference.  Dany is really the only developed character on her end; Jorah is interesting but doesn't challenge her in any way.  So Dany is sympathetic mostly because she's clashing with randoms and one of the series 2nd most hissable villains.  Jon too is threatened by actual monsters or under-developed assholes. 

 

Whereas things in the South are much more complicated.  We're seeing conflicts and maneuvers from all sides, and with the exception of Joffrey and maybe Tywin, no one is completely without sympathy in their portrayal.  It makes for a much more involving viewing experience when I have to sort through my own conflicting loyalties in any given scene, whereas things are more straightforward across the sea or on the Wall (which is my favorite setting, but the characters there haven't done too much to distinguish themselves).

 

edit:  I didn't mean to imply that I wanted to be done with Dany altogether, just that as long as she stays stranded in her own storyline, I'm less interested in seeing her stomp on redshirts than watching a couple mutually-developed characters attempt to outfox each other.

post #337 of 2123

Also, there's currently no tangible conflict with Dany's story, other than their terrible circumstance, which doesn't take long at all to convey. And as Dany said, "How do you make starvation scream?" Likewise, how do you make starvation dramatic without just talking about starvation, or montages? In season 1, the Dothraki storyline didn't really begin rolling until episode 6, and I suspect once one of her scouts can bring Dany's people to some kind of civilization to interact with, there'll be more to go on. I have a feeling Dany's tale will be more heavily weighted on the back end of the season again, where it'll have more punch.

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it wasn't the cum dribble, it was the sloppy french kiss that followed that sealed the deal.  I thought it was a great bit of demystification for that lifestyle. Things were getting a bit too sexy around Baelish's pleasure house.



I don't think the show has done much in the way of glamorizing that lifestyle, and if anything, Littlefinger giving Ros' imagination a cruel little boost undercut her undue confidence in her situation from the last episode and really honed in on how vulnerable women w/out title or position in this world (and by extension, ours) really are*. The aforementioned scene is a woman blankly standing about with semen on her face. I can get past it, but it's ridiculous.

 

Anyhoo, I really loved Cersei this episode, and continue to enjoy the depiction of the character as not a monster, but an increasingly fragile character who does monstrous things. Seeing her son as a reflection of herself, and without Jaime's weird, but innate sort of honor around to keep her steady, you really begin to understand her, if not forgive her. 

 

 

 

*Daenerys' Sisyphean task of keeping her adopted people together and her hard-earned role respected is, I think, one of the most rewarding threads of this theme, which is why I'm never bored with it.

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I am very interested in the Dany story.  I loved her arc in S1 and based on her image closing out that season, I expect her arc is just beginning (I have not read the books).  It is certainly somewhat disconnected from the main Clash of Kings storyline in Westeros, but I sense she plays a major role in the "long ball" look at the series.  Based on that, I do want to follow her story and see her development.



Oh, sure. But I think Trav McGee hit the nail on the head as to why she's not getting much screen time: the essential information of her story at present can be got across very... efficiently, let's say.

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*Daenerys' Sisyphean task of keeping her adopted people together and her hard-earned role respected is, I think, one of the most rewarding threads of this theme, which is why I'm never bored with it.


Me too. For all my mock fanboyism there's something very satisfying about her arc. From being pretty much whored out by her brother in exchange for troops to being all "Fuck selling the eggs and retiring in riches. I'm a fucking queen and I'll take these two dozen people and take over the world" I've found her story really pleasing. And I don't find her story any more archetypal and therefore predictable than anyone else's. I have a feeling the writers may, though.

 

 

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Anyhoo, I really loved Cersei this episode, and continue to enjoy the depiction of the character as not a monster, but an increasingly fragile character who does monstrous things. Seeing her son as a reflection of herself, and without Jaime's weird, but innate sort of honor around to keep her steady, you really begin to understand her, if not forgive her. 

 

One of the strange things to happen toward the end of last season was to realize how much sympathy for Jamie and Cersei had crept up on me without my realizing it.  They're both sad, frustrated people who had the world handed to them but have never quite been able to grasp the intangible things they want most (love/honor, although you could generalize both as "respect" without straying too far from the mark).  Considering they were introduced talking about the murder they'd just committed, then promptly tried to murder a child to cover up their incest, it's amazing that I...well, maybe I don't exactly like them, but I don't want to see the Lannisters exterminated and its not entirely for Tyrion's sake.  It's certainly not due to any love for the other generations, though.

post #342 of 2123

Not a spoiler, but I'm going to reference the books, so:

 

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In the book--A Clash of Kings, I mean--Dany didn't show up at all until something like 100, 150 pages in. That drove me crazy when I was reading it, wanting to find out what happened to her after her dragons hatched but still being compelled by Tyrion et al. So the show is actually being more generous in that regard.

 

post #343 of 2123

I actually like Tywin more than Jamie or Cersei. Tywin's a huge dick, but a pragmatic one. You get where he's coming from. Maybe this comes somewhat from the Season 1 BluRay, where he narrates the Lannister family history like a fucking champ, and you can actually hear the familial pride in his delivery. Best role for Charles Dance in a long ass time, I'd add. Can't wait to see him more this year. Like Dany, and Catelyn, and pretty much every single character. I love this show.

 

The coming next week stuff kind of gives away who will be central to the next episode. It looked pretty clear that we're going to be seein

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quite a bit of Catelyn and Renly. It looks like we'll be seeing a lot of what Renly's been up to. I would expect as much of them as we got of Theon this week. 

 

And probably a new character or two. It's Game of Thrones, after all.

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One of the strange things to happen toward the end of last season was to realize how much sympathy for Jamie and Cersei had crept up on me without my realizing it.  They're both sad, frustrated people who had the world handed to them but have never quite been able to grasp the intangible things they want most (love/honor, although you could generalize both as "respect" without straying too far from the mark).  Considering they were introduced talking about the murder they'd just committed, then promptly tried to murder a child to cover up their incest, it's amazing that I...well, maybe I don't exactly like them, but I don't want to see the Lannisters exterminated and its not entirely for Tyrion's sake.  It's certainly not due to any love for the other generations, though.


When you put it like that the difference between Cersei and Joffrey reminds me of The Wire and the difference between people like Avon and Stringer and someone like Marlo. As in the former are normal people twisted into doing evil by their toxic environment. Whereas the latter are one hundred percent products of said environment and fucked up in ways shocking to the previous generations. 

 

 

post #345 of 2123

Via the show's FB, they've been renewed for season 3. Hell yes.

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Renewed for Season 3: biggrin.gif (expected but nice to have it be official now)

 

http://winteriscoming.net/2012/04/hbo-renews-game-of-thrones-for-a-third-season/

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Fuck yeah! Took them long enough.

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And there was much rejoicing by the people, for winter would last for another year.

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I like this too, especially with characters like Catelyn; where shes very pretty, but in that 'times are rough and I've had a whole bunch of kids' kind of way.

 

Speaking of which... she was notably absent this week.  I'm thinking we get a Catelyn-heavy episode before we get a Dany-heavy episode, for sure.   

 

 

 

From the previews it looks like we'll be catching up with Catelyn (and Renly) next episode.

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The show's a bit schizophrenic when it comes to the Hollywood looks. I think some of them are, in fact, a bit more perfectly photogenic than you're giving credit for--Dany, Cersei, Jaime, all the Stark children--though for the most part we're talking about people who have lived high off the hog. The only exception being Dany, and she's got an ethereal magic aura or whatever from being a Targaryen, so whatever. But most of the other characters do look more or less like they inhabit a real medieval world. Oddly enough, I count Ros and Shae in this--they look like girls who were lucky enough to be born pretty in a harsh world, rather than perfectly airbrushed glamour models.


Well, as you say, many of "the pretty people" are living at the top of the social strata (in the Lannisters' case the absolute top), but even then, Jaime may be a very handsome man, but he still looks like he's got some mileage on him (even before his capture).  That went a long way towards separating him from being the stereotypical "smug pretty boy" and instead coming across as a genuinely dangerous individual in season 1.

 

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