2012 NCAA College Football Season - Page 3

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson 

Who's going to want to waste their four years of eligibility at Pedophile State?

These guys?

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson 

I don't understand the mad-on to get the NCAA in on the action.  It's like demanding a couple of shots with a paintball gun before the firing squad opens up.

 

I get where you are coming from Richard.  My mad-on isn't in particular with the NCAA but with any governing body that might have the jurisdiction to do something.  If the NCAA imposes sanctions, great.  If the Big 10 does it, great.  If the PA state legislature does it, great.  If there are federal troubles brewing ahead because of it then I wouldn't lose any sleep over that either.  My favored response is for the Big 10 to get involved and for the legislature to get involved.  If multiple penalties came down from all directions I wouldn't have a problem either.

 

My biggest beef is that everyone seems to be sitting back looking up and down the line of people who could make an example out of Penn State waiting for someone else to be the one who steps forward first.

 

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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel 

 

I doubt Penn State will have the balls to self impose sanctions or give up football altogether.

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson 

Nice.

 

 

Bingo.  Cover it up seems to still be the modus operandi.  And that story is why I don't feel confined in my outrage to the NCAA.  The school needs to be brought down a peg for this because this is clearly an institutional sickness.

I like a tweet I saw that they should keep the Penn State statue but have it look the other way.

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Originally Posted by Trav McGee 

 

These guys?

Child rape isn't a big deal? 

Date rape here we come!*

*The preceding The Program joke is meant in no way to disparage the good names of the gentlemen on that list.

49% still say no?  What in the fucking fuck?

Should Penn State remove the Joe Paterno statue from campus?

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  51%
  Yes
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  49%
  No

  (Total votes: 81,312)

FOOOTBALLLLL!!!!! YEAH!
 

The morning sports talk host I listen to had a guest who brought up something that hasn't been talked about much:  Sandusky was 54 at the time of the first reported incident at Penn State.  Do we really believe he woke up one day when he was 54 and thought, "You know, I think it's time I started taking young boys into the shower"?  There's likely years, maybe even decades, of abuse to his history that may never come to light.

That poll doesn't shock me one bit.  The entire sexual cover up was because people put football first, just another prime example of how sick people are in the head. 

All Penn State needs is the spokesman for Red Stripe to come in.  Booooo Children, Hooray Football!  

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Originally Posted by Bailey 

Why are images of Bane and the Dark Knight Rises trailer going through my head.  "I'm Penn State's reckoning"

Why did it take so long just to say this?

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Originally Posted by Martianman 

 I saw a headline this morning that said a new victim from the 1970s has stepped forward.

 

Of course.  Sandusky probably started this in his late teens/early 20's.

And now that we know Paterno is a liar we have to wonder how far back he knew.

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Originally Posted by Martianman 

 I saw a headline this morning that said a new victim from the 1970s has stepped forward.

 

Also, Bobby Bowden has even said they should take the statue down--and he and Paterno were friends.  And, how weird would it be if the NCAA decides to take away wins from Paterno which in turn makes Bowden (on paper, with an asterisk, etc.) the coach with the most wins?

They were also rivals, and I wouldn't put it past Bowden to be self-serving in this regard.  (However, he is correct that the statue should come down.)

I've been trying to think of ways to tastefully segue back to talking about football without seeming like a heartless jackass, but it's impossible. Which leads me to this point: I thought the appeal of college football was in trouble with the earlier (and in hindsight, much less important) scandals of the past few years, but when Penn State gets the death penalty (and more than ever I'm convinced they will), that will pretty much obliterate the sport's appeal in the Northeast. With each passing day, the concept of "amateur athletics" becomes more and more laughable, and the Penn State scandal seems like the final nail in that particular coffin.

I don't think those of us focusing on Penn State would begrudge anyone walking this back to the threads original intent.  I had been worried about us co-opting it kinda upsetting those who started a legitimate football thread. 

I don't think anyone is believing this indicts football in general beyond the always present attitude that academics often get short shrift to athletics when the almighty dollar is in play.  Does it absolutely implicate the entirety of Penn State and the "culture" at the school?  Yes.  The whole of collegedom?  Not so much.

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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm 

I don't think those of us focusing on Penn State would begrudge anyone walking this back to the threads original intent.  I had been worried about us co-opting it kinda upsetting those who started a legitimate football thread. 

 

I don't think anyone is believing this indicts football in general beyond the always present attitude that academics often get short shrift to athletics when the almighty dollar is in play.  Does it absolutely implicate the entirety of Penn State and the "culture" at the school?  Yes.  The whole of collegedom?  Not so much.

I know that for me, as an SEC fan, that "culture" is at pretty much every successful school. Granted, unlike at Penn State, a couple of 5-win seasons will get the coach fired regardless of his contributions to the university. In that sense, the Penn State scandal was a perfect storm; we'll never see someone hold that much sway over a university again. Nick Saban will likely explode from rage before he ever gets to that level at Alabama.

I think any program with a long-established tradition of success in any sport will be looked at with more scrutiny than ever. For an example, look at how the UNC scandal could apparently affect their basketball program.

Apologies for being rambly.

Yeah, it wasn't just that Paterno had too much power, which is part of football culture we see other places, but the entrenched aspect of that power that was key in all this.

Yeah, no chance this could get ugly.  Oy.

The statue is coming down this morning.

And sources say the NCAA will hand down "unprecedented sanctions" against Penn State Monday morning.

they should remold that statue so his finger is going up against his lips. 

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson 

The statue is coming down this morning.

 

And sources say the NCAA will hand down "unprecedented sanctions" against Penn State Monday morning.

 Too much money involved to ban them a year.  But i'm guessing about 5 year Bowl ban minimum

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Originally Posted by Mangy 
 I thought the appeal of college football was in trouble with the earlier (and in hindsight, much less important) scandals of the past few years, but when Penn State gets the death penalty (and more than ever I'm convinced they will), that will pretty much obliterate the sport's appeal in the Northeast. With each passing day, the concept of "amateur athletics" becomes more and more laughable, and the Penn State scandal seems like the final nail in that particular coffin.

Well, as a person who love watching the Wisconsin Badgers play every Saturday, I personally fell, in a large-view sense, that the sooner college football dies, the better it will be for the soul of the country as a whole. 

Personally, while I think the institution deserves sanction, I think ALL administrators who were in place during the dates of the occurrences should get a lifetime "show-cause" (isn't that what Tressell got?) from the NCAA (at ALL levels)

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After all, some kid coming in 3-4 yrs down the road doesn't know or care about Sandusky. Some administrater who helped shovel it under the carpet should have "accessory to child rape" next to his name until he retires. 

$60 million fine, four-year bowl ban, vacating all wins from 1998 to 2011, and losing 10 scholarships from 25 to 15 for four years.

Why do I get the feeling vacating the wins and taking the all-time record away from Paterno is what's going to piss Penn State fans off the most?

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson 

 

Why do I get the feeling vacating the wins and taking the all-time record away from Paterno is what's going to piss Penn State fans off the most?

They will be defiant, consider Joe a marytr, and still say he is number one.

I can see Franco Harris say Joe is still number 1 and a great guy.  You can take the wins away but he still won.

By keeping a child rapist on staff.
 

It's not the death penalty but Penn State football is going to be impotent for at least 5 years.  Hopefully, the zealots who think that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion will come to realize how fucked up this whole situation is.

And holy feeding frenzy, Batman!  I think college recruiters are going to go apeshit trying to peel off a bunch of PSU's players off of that team!

Add Brandon Noble to the Penn State alum(94-96) embarresing himself on ESPN.  Said it was a legal issue and NCAA wasn't fair.

Atleast it wasn't Matt Millen.

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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel 

Add Brandon Noble to the Penn State alum(94-96) embarresing himself on ESPN.  Said it was a legal issue and NCAA wasn't fair.

 

Atleast it wasn't Matt Millen.

Just for shits and giggles, I went over to Black Shoe Diaries and this is the consensus attitude from them. 

The NCAA has no bounds to do this, they overreached, it's a legal matter... full-on FUCK YOU persecution complex.

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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel 

Said it was a legal issue and NCAA wasn't fair.

 

Also not fair: being raped as a ten year-old by a guy being protected by a university's football program. Suck it up, you sociopathic nimrods.

They're lucky the NCAA didn't nuke the program.  They can still crowd into Beaver Stadium and cheer on their team on Saturdays.  They just might not have a lot to cheer about, but oh well.  Maybe they shouldn't have covered for a pedophile.

Just a point on how the NCAA classifies vacated wins (yes, I've had to deal with this in my job) - the other team does not get a victory. It's essentially a double loss with no winners. Which kinda sums up the whole ordeal, really.

So, what's the consensus on this being enough or not from rational non-PSU fans?

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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm 

So, what's the consensus on this being enough or not from rational non-PSU fans?

 I think people are satisfied.  it really hurts the program, probably more than the death penalty while keeping the people that rely on Ped State football to still make money off them.  Time will tell.  I want to know how many players will leave.

I can't wait for the book on this.  On radio I've heard quite a few rumors that people around Ped State(life faculty) knew Paterno was a fraud.  Not to the extent of this, but the legend was a myth.

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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel 

 Not to the extent of this, but the legend was a myth.

Who could have ever really been that great?  In big time college athletics? Nick "I step over convulsing students" Saban will be a god in Alabama until the South falls into the ocean.

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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel 

I can't wait for the book on this.  On radio I've heard quite a few rumors that people around Ped State(life faculty) knew Paterno was a fraud.  Not to the extent of this, but the legend was a myth.

Wasn't it a poorly kept secret that Paterno hadn't done any actual coaching in years?  He was more a figurehead than someone who actually taught and drew up Xs and Os.

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson 

 

Wasn't it a poorly kept secret that Paterno hadn't done any actual coaching in years?  He was more a figurehead than someone who actually taught and drew up Xs and Os.

I'm not talking X's & O's fraud. 

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Originally Posted by Chavez 

 

 

Well, as a person who love watching the Wisconsin Badgers play every Saturday, I personally fell, in a large-view sense, that the sooner college football dies, the better it will be for the soul of the country as a whole. 

Nope. The last thing we need to do is take up soccer with it's flopping and riots.  That's a failed sport in the US....and yes, I'm looking at you, MSL. 

Tennessee hasn't had much to cheer about these past few years, but the Vols do have a good QB in Tyler Bray. Unfortunately, he's a complete douche.

Bama may not have the best QB in college football but he has a NC ring and the best chest tattoo in the game: http://mit.zenfs.com/214/2011/07/McCarron-Chest-Tat.jpg
 

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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector 

 

Nope. The last thing we need to do is take up soccer with it's flopping and riots.  That's a failed sport in the US....and yes, I'm looking at you, MSL. 

I'm not talking about football the sport going away, just that I think if we separate "amateur" football from academics, we'll be a lot better off. 

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Originally Posted by Chavez 

 

 

I'm not talking about football the sport going away, just that I think if we separate "amateur" football from academics, we'll be a lot better off. 

What do you think would happen if we totally eliminated sports from universities?

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Originally Posted by Chavez 

 

 

I'm not talking about football the sport going away, just that I think if we separate "amateur" football from academics, we'll be a lot better off. 

I'd argue that it's not College Football that is the problem, it's College Football being a business that is the problem.  You make it about the sport, and the athletes, and not about the money and sponsors, you would solve many problems.  But who am I kidding, that will NEVER happen.

Todd Blackledge on Mike and Mike... kinda brutal to listen to.  I think that it's entirely possible Paterno turned a blind eye more because of loyalty than publicity, but if that makes him less of a scumbag, it's about .001% less.  These former players just can't face the fact that their idol was not who they thought he was.

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Originally Posted by Anakin's Dad 

Bama may not have the best QB in college football but he has a NC ring and the best chest tattoo in the game: http://mit.zenfs.com/214/2011/07/McCarron-Chest-Tat.jpg
 

This actually ties in with my "Tyler Bray is a douche" post:

Yes, that's his own back. Cringeworthy.