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post #401 of 635

What's the better job opening up, Tennessee or Arkansas?  10 years ago it would have been a no brainer, now I think it's pretty close.

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What's the better job opening up, Tennessee or Arkansas?  10 years ago it would have been a no brainer, now I think it's pretty close.

Arkansas is willing to pay top dollar, but I think Tennessee has a big advantage, especially with the construction of a new football facility that will be one of the best in the country.

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Originally Posted by Mangy View Post

Question, Martianman: Notre Dame is basketball-only in the ACC, right?

 

That is correct.  Notre Dame will play I believe 5 ACC games a year in football.  With UMD leaving, I wonder if this was some big conspiracy where Swofford knew they were looking, and told ND, "Hey, we'll do it this way for now, and UMD will leave at the end of 2012 and then we'll just bring you in full time with football after they're gone."

 

Honestly, as a ND hater it pains me to say--bring'em on in.  More $ for the ACC.

post #404 of 635

After this season I see no reason why ND joins a football conference.  A BCS championship game will carry them for a decade.  And now with a 4 team playoff it will make it even easier for them to stay somewhat Independent.

 

No Barkley for the USC game.  No excuses now.

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Just out of curiosity, what excuses would those be?  People have been waiting for Notre Dame to lose all season, and it was only this freshman QB having to start for Southern Cal that allowed them to be favored in the game.  Win or lose, they're going to a BCS bowl game.  That's much more than most people expected from them this year.

 

So rumor has it that Gruden is getting offers from Arkansas and Tennessee.  Seems like he'd be more inclined to take an NFL offer, but I can also see him being really effective in college.

post #406 of 635

Thought ND was all about the National Championship, not just bowls.  They have no excuses for a shot at that now.

 

Gruden won't leave ESPN.  Too cushy a job. 

post #407 of 635
All about national championships? They've barely been good in two decades. They're trying, for about the fourth time, to build themselves back up to something since the Holtz years. You're right that they have no excuses, but I don't know that anyone was looking to make any. If they lose to USC Barkley or no Barkley, I can't imagine anyone thinking they'd deserve a better bowl than whatever they'd end up going to.
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The hammer is about to swing down on UM.  Former players have received notice from the NCAA basically saying you will cooperate with us, or we will presume an admission of guilt if you do not.  Plus with new allegations just came out about the UNC basketball and football programs and academics...the ACC Coastal may be ruled by Duke and Ga Tech for a few more years to come due to attrition if VT can't get their shit together quickly.

post #409 of 635
I'm pulling for OSU today. U of O was so crap last week, plus I have fond memories of Corvallis.
post #410 of 635

I guess we now have a new "Choke at Doak." At no point in time did I think Florida was winning that game.. until they won that game.

post #411 of 635

So everyone is going to pull for UGA, right? Go dawgs!

post #412 of 635

If it's Notre Dame vs. Georgia, I'm pulling for Black Sunday. Or, Monday. Or whenever the hell they play that game.

post #413 of 635
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So everyone is going to pull for UGA, right? Go dawgs!

 Fuck Alabama.

 

Some bad coacing calls last few minutes in USC/ND.  ND throws the ball on 3rd down and forgets the RB on final 3 plays.  USC tries some horribe runs inside the 5 and doesn't kick a FG on 4th down when down 9.  They can always onside kick. Lane Kiffin deserves it.

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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

 

Cannot

 

Fucking

 

Believe

 

It

post #415 of 635
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You'll probably have to hear that a couple more times, but then Saban will move on and they'll go back to being just another good SEC team.

 

8 years ago Alabama wasn't considered a top 5 job in the country, now it seems like the best job, but so did Ohio State, and then USC, and then Texas, and then Florida, etc...

 

 

Eh, where is Saban going to go? He already washed out of the NFL...as a matter of fact he's the one who bailed, he wasn't fired. Unless some other BCS goliath drops serious coin to poach Saban, he's there until he decides he's done. 

 

 

 

As far as "top 5 in the country" I don't know, I'd say there are no more than a dozen schools where there is SERIOUS infrastructure as far as if/when you start winning big, you will get the salary, the recruits, the notoriety where there really is no "step up" from that job, the best you can do is sideways. 

 

 

Off the top of my head, those schools would be: Bama, UGA, ND, Texas, USC, Michigan, Ohio St, LSU, Tennessee, Oklahoma, maybe Fla. 

 

 

I'd like to put Penn St and Fla St on there, but JoePa and Bobby were there so long, I'm not sure if there's an overarching identity to those programs outside of those 2 guys. 

 

I'd probably say there are another 20 schools where if it isn't one of the above schools making the offer, you're an idiot to leave (unless someone gives you so much money you'd be an idiot to NOT leave). 

 

 

EDIT - shit, left Nebraska off my list of "big dogs" 

post #416 of 635
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So rumor has it that Gruden is getting offers from Arkansas and Tennessee.  Seems like he'd be more inclined to take an NFL offer, but I can also see him being really effective in college.

 

 

Most likely because about the time his players realize he's full of shit, their 4 yrs will be up. 

 

 

Should I have prefaced the above with "ohai not a Gruden fan"

post #417 of 635
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The hammer is about to swing down on UM.  Former players have received notice from the NCAA basically saying you will cooperate with us, or we will presume an admission of guilt if you do not.

 

So? WTF is the NCAA going to do, revoke their long-since-done scholarships? 

post #418 of 635
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Eh, where is Saban going to go? He already washed out of the NFL...as a matter of fact he's the one who bailed, he wasn't fired. Unless some other BCS goliath drops serious coin to poach Saban, he's there until he decides he's done. 

 

 

 

 

He's not necessarily going to go anywhere, but he will retire eventually.  I'd give him at most five more years before he either tries one final job somewhere else or retires.

post #419 of 635
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post

 

 

Off the top of my head, those schools would be: Bama, UGA, ND, Texas, USC, Michigan, Ohio St, LSU, Tennessee, Oklahoma, maybe Fla. 

 

 

I'd like to put Penn St and Fla St on there, but JoePa and Bobby were there so long, I'm not sure if there's an overarching identity to those programs outside of those 2 guys. 

 

I'd probably say there are another 20 schools where if it isn't one of the above schools making the offer, you're an idiot to leave (unless someone gives you so much money you'd be an idiot to NOT leave). 

 

 

EDIT - shit, left Nebraska off my list of "big dogs" 

 

I would say no doubt Florida and Florida State are premiere jobs.  The talent pool in that state is very deep.

 

Also, don't discount the allure of a change of scenery.  Some coaches like rebuilding a new program, or finding a different challenge.  I think Saban has that that kind of personality, honestly.

post #420 of 635
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post

 

I would say no doubt Florida and Florida State are premiere jobs.  The talent pool in that state is very deep.

 

Also, don't discount the allure of a change of scenery.  Some coaches like rebuilding a new program, or finding a different challenge.  I think Saban has that that kind of personality, honestly.

 

Yeah, I'll say you're right about Fla - I was probably focusing a bit too much on the "yeah, but where were they w/o Spurrier or Meyer?" factor. 

 

Like I said, I'd love to put FSU and PSU on there, but just not sure where they are without the icons. 

 

 

FSU was NOTHING before Bobby Bowden got there. Penn St was OK but nothing to scream about prior to JoePa - it raises the question of "ok, is this an elite program, or does it drop a notch without that guy in the drivers' seat?" - think of Miami - when they aren't in contention, their attendance is a joke. A good example of what I'm talking about would BYU post-Lavell Edwards - certainly a good, solid program, but not one that has any juice to non-alums or hardcore CFB fans, whereas I think it had a bit more cachet when Edwards WAS there, even though it's still probably a pretty damn good job to have. 

 

 

As far as Saban leaving for rebuilding....tough call. I think he's certainly got the ego to think he could go somewhere else for similar money and rebuild it (Penn St?), but he also will probably start getting some serious mention as BETTER than Bear Bryant if 'Bama continues on their current course, and that would have to be pretty gratifying as well. 

post #421 of 635
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post

 Fuck Alabama.

post #422 of 635
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post

As far as Saban leaving for rebuilding....tough call. I think he's certainly got the ego to think he could go somewhere else for similar money and rebuild it (Penn St?), but he also will probably start getting some serious mention as BETTER than Bear Bryant if 'Bama continues on their current course, and that would have to be pretty gratifying as well. 

 

I think that would have been a possibility prior to the Tuscaloosa tornado. Since, he and his wife have been kinda endeared to the community, and I don't really see him leaving.

 

To the rest of you, Roll Tide.

post #423 of 635
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So? WTF is the NCAA going to do, revoke their long-since-done scholarships? 

It matters because of what the current punishment for the school will be, ie, loss of institutional control.  If former players were taking gifts, etc., and coaches and administration knew about it and turned a blind eye, that's not good for UM.  They're looking to the players to confirm that (among other things).  If they refuse to cooperate, the NCAA will presume that it is true.

 

As for FSU/UF, you can't turn the ball over 5 times and win (unless you're the Atlanta Falcons).  EJ Manuel shows once again why he's the most frustrating FSU QB since Chris Rix.  My goals are still intact for the season--win the ACC and the bowl game.  I also was giddy when Notre Dame won since that guarantees there will be no SEC/SEC MNC game again.  Also, it really throws everything for a loop in that, if ND loses, and UF wins (most likely) the Sugar Bowl...whose #1?  If Alabama beats ND, they didn't play UF this year.  If UGA beats ND, then does that count more because UF's one loss is UGA?  Also, UF has the better record vs. and have played more BCS Top 15 teams than both UGA and Alabama.  And the AP also has the option to make OSU #1.

 

Jesus, what's wrong with me?  I'm campaigning for Notre Dame, UF, and Ohio State.  I better increase my meds.

post #424 of 635

As a fan of the Vols and the Cleveland Browns, this rumor has certainly piqued my interest: According to News Channel 3 in Memphis, Jon Gruden was offered the coaching position at UT, with the lure coming from UT booster/new Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, who offered Gruden an ownership stake in the franchise.

 

This has already been denied by Haslam and Gruden's reps, but what an insane offer. For starters, is this even allowed under NCAA rules? Or NFL rules, for that matter? This rumor is so insane that it goes around the bend and becomes sane again. I still think Gruden-to-UT is ludicrous, but at least it led to an intriguing story.

 

Silly Season, Part 2: Arkansas' AD, who knows Les Miles from their days at Michigan, reportedly offered miles a 5 year, $27.5 million deal to coach the Razorbacks. People are already saying this is a ploy by Les' buddy to raise his price at LSU, but who knows?

 

Few things are more ridiculous than SEC coaching searches.

post #425 of 635
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Few things are more ridiculous than SEC coaching searches.

 

And on that note...Kentucky has hired FSU DC Mark Stoops as their new HC.  He will continue through this week through the ACC CG, but they'll probably have Hudson (the LB coach and also a candidate for the DC job before Stoops was hired) be DC for the bowl game.  Just for fun rumors--bringing back Mickey Andrews to be DC for the bowl game.

 

So, let the new DC for FSU rumors commence.  One that has started (again)--Bud Foster from VT.  He was interested when the job came up 3 years ago...I would not be unhappy with that selection.  Hudson, as I mentioned, was a previous candidate, but the LBs have kind of underachieved since he's been at FSU, so I don't think he'll be promoted to DC.  One of Fisher's great qualities is finding great coaching candidates...no one had much to say about Stoops (other than the family relation) before he got to FSU, and now he's a HC.  Another rumor--the "OC" (I put that in quotes because Jimbo really calls the plays) from FSU, James Coley, may go to UK with Stoops.  I would hate that as he's an outstanding recruiter.

post #426 of 635
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Originally Posted by Martianman View Post

 

So, let the new DC for FSU rumors commence.  One that has started (again)--Bud Foster from VT.  He was interested when the job came up 3 years ago...I would not be unhappy with that selection. 

 

You shut your pirate whore mouth! God, he's the practically the only saving grace on the sideline these days. I keep hoping for beloved Frank to announce his retirement so Bud can ascend to his rightful HC spot and clean sweep the offensive staff that keeps letting him down, year after year after year. But then Beamer keeps getting contract extensions... I figure we'd lose Foster eventually to an HC job (which he never actively pursues; he wants to be courted); if he flies for just another DC job, Christ. Fans will certainly take that as a massive indictment of the program.

 

Meanwhile, the ACC files suit against UMD for that cool ~$50 mil the Terps don't want to pay, and also quite swiftly replaces them with Louisville. Maybe we should just change the conference name to The Big Atlantic East Coast conference, with the Big East division and the Atlantic Coast division.

post #427 of 635
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Holy shit, with not too much effort, we could see an Orange Bowl matchup of Georgia Tech vs. Kent State.  Seriously.

 

If Kent State wins this weekend, they could very well go to a BCS bowl, and since the Orange Bowl is the last in line (*Copyright Ronnie James Dio), they would end up with the tie-in ACC Champ and Kent "We're One of Kentucky's Wins in 2012" State.  I for one hope it happens--not just because I believe FSU (should they beat GT) can accomplish my other goal for 2012 by destroying KS, but then the BCS is further exposed as a shitty system.

post #428 of 635

Man, the Orange Bowl has been a parade of sadness for the last few years:

 

 

January 2, 2007 Louisville 24 Wake Forest 13 notes
January 3, 2008 Kansas 24 Virginia Tech 21 notes
January 1, 2009 Virginia Tech 20 Cincinnati 7 notes
January 5, 2010 Iowa 24 Georgia Tech 14 notes
January 3, 2011 Stanford 40 Virginia Tech 12 notes
January 4, 2012 West Virginia 70 Clemson 33 notes

Ugh.

 

Tennessee is in a tizzy. These Gruden rumors have lots of perfectly sensible people losing their minds, even though there's no way in hell that's happening. However, another name in the mix who appears to be a more likely candidate: FSU's Jimbo Fisher. 

post #429 of 635
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Good luck with Fisher--there are some FSU fans that would say good riddance.  Jimbo has loved FSU forever--there is a famous picture of him when he played football at Samford and even though he's wearing the Samford uniform, he's wearing an FSU hat.

 

More FSU coaching rumors--looks like it might be a definite that the OC is going to UK.  Also talk of promoting the DE coach to DC to keep him from going to UK as well.  But, FSU's OC and DC positions aren't exactly lackluster positions...should be a lot of hands going up for any and all positions that will open at the school.  And there is talk of Eddie Gran (speaking of UT) going to Southern Miss.

post #430 of 635

I think all of the speculation might be moot anyway, as UT's paying so many coaches not to coach that they're low on funds. Vol fans are eager for a marquee name, but I'm not sure the school can afford it.

 

Fisher denied interest today.

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These schools are so desperate to get any name that it's really embarrassing at this point.  Why not put some of these these millions towards a method of discovery that might allow you to find the next great coach, instead of overpaying for someone else's current good one?  All these schools are doing is driving up the cost of doing business.  Hey Arkansas, you got Les Miles a raise at LSU, way to go!

post #432 of 635
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These schools are so desperate to get any name that it's really embarrassing at this point.  Why not put some of these these millions towards a method of discovery that might allow you to find the next great coach, instead of overpaying for someone else's current good one?  All these schools are doing is driving up the cost of doing business.  

I'm convinced that the Les Miles/Arkansas story was solely about Arkansas' AD helping his longtime buddy get a raise.

post #433 of 635

Jinx, you owe me a Coke.

post #434 of 635

This article at Deadspin talks about how Southern Miss sold their home-field advantage in the Nebraska game next year in exchange for Nebraska paying for their recently fired coach's buyout:

 

http://deadspin.com/5964003/to-buy-out-failed-coach-southern-miss-sold-home+field-advantage-back-to-nebraska-for-21-million

 

A fascinating look at how the sausage gets made in college athletics.

post #435 of 635

Oooh, that just got forwarded to all my Husker loving co-workers. Thank you.

post #436 of 635
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 Why not put some of these these millions towards a method of discovery that might allow you to find the next great coach, instead of overpaying for someone else's current good one? 

 

 

Gregg Easterbrook (ESPN's Tuesday Morning Quarterback) has a theory that D1 schools should poach the good coaches from lower divisions. 

 

 

Heck, Mt Union went to something like 6 straight NCAA D3 title games, and was in several more before that run. The coach/coaches who were in charge during that dynasty obviously know SOMETHING about winning football games. 

post #437 of 635
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PROCLAMATION:  All future coaching rumors regarding Jon Gruden shall henceforth be referred to as "Grumors".  That is all.

 

Oh, except that word is Gruden has a contract from UT in hand and the only sticking point is hiring assts.

post #438 of 635

This is from a site called Volquest.com, a pay site run by some guys in Knoxville. The Woodward and Bernstein-like seriousness of this report makes me smile:

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After days and days of speculation and rumors there appears to be closure in the Jon Gruden story or at least the most closure there has been.

No less than three sources told Volquest on Thursday afternoon/evening that, "We don't expect Jon Gruden will be coaching on our sidelines." Those sources said that the only way anything could change with the Gruden candidacy is if Gruden called Tennessee and asked athletics director Dave Hart to visit with him.

Without question there's been more ebbs and flows to the Gruden story than any in recent memory. On Wednesday, athletics director Dave Hart was planning on going to see Gruden when Gruden let Hart know that there was no reason to come see him.

As we noted on Wednesday when news of Gruden's cancellation broke, Tennessee had not offered Gruden a contract and it was reiterated to us Thursday evening by multiple sources that Hart and Gruden/agent never got to the point of discussing financial numbers in detail. We do believe the Gruden camp likely was seeking $6 million, according to folks familiar with the situation, and we think Peyton Manning was far more involved in this area of the process than anyone has acknowledged. And while Gruden told UT officials not to bother coming on Wednesday and indicated a clear lack of interest, we're told that flies counter to Gruden perhaps initially reaching out to Tennessee to express his interest.

And as we said on Wednesday, Tennessee's search for their next head coach appears to be focused on Jimbo Fisher, Al Golden, Larry Fedora, maybe Mike Gundy and Charlie Strong. We're told Gundy likely reached out to UT to express interest, whether that's a legitimate interest in the vacancy or perhaps a maneuver to leverage more money from Okie State is anyone's best guess. We also think Strong could be interviewed as soon as the next 24-48 hours.

But this is probably my favorite part:

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However, we know UT is utilizing planes registered to Knoxville-area businesses Pilot, Flying J and Eagle Distribution. The tail numbers and flight paths for all of those planes have been blocked, but we think some late-night travel began mid- to late-week.

It's a shame that this kind of dogged investigation isn't being used on Tennessee's schools.

post #439 of 635

Yep.  When you start hearing about planes and tail numbers in conversations about football coaches, you know you're in SEC country.

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Yep.  When you start hearing about planes and tail numbers in conversations about football coaches, you know you're in SEC country.

 

And their "companions."

post #441 of 635
Thread Starter 

Oh yeah, I forgot Hart is the AD now (formerly the AD at FSU who was booted after the big music class scandal).  Fisher, Golden, and Fedora?  Seems highly ironic to me that an SEC school is looking at a bunch of coaches from the ACC.

post #442 of 635

More clock mismanagement that costs a big time team a game.  Unbelievable.

 

First off, how do they not clock it?  The could have gotten THREE plays off into the end zone.  And second, how does the player not have the presence of mind to know with no time outs if he catches it outside the end zone they will not get another play?

 

Just unreal.

post #443 of 635
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More clock mismanagement that costs a big time team a game.  Unbelievable.

First off, how do they not clock it?  The could have gotten THREE plays off into the end zone.  And second, how does the player not have the presence of mind to know with no time outs if he catches it outside the end zone they will not get another play?

Just unreal.

Terrible terrible terrible. Just dumb no matter how you look at it. He should have realized exactly that... Don't catch it unless it's in the end zone. But it should never have even got to that point. They should have spiked the ball with about 20 seconds left and taken two or three shots into the end zone. Fuck Alabama.
post #444 of 635

'Bama and ND in the NC game.  Anyone giving ND a chance?

post #445 of 635

The spread should be about a touchdown.  That's hardly a matchup where the underdog has no chance.  Alabama's not as good as they were last year.  I still think they'll win, but of course ND has a shot.

post #446 of 635

Let me say that I really, really despise that fake scaffolding-score graphic they insert into the stadium after every break. It just looks... wrong.

post #447 of 635

ON WISCONSIN!

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ON WISCONSIN!

 

 

That was unexpected, to say the least. 

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...but not as well as Bo Knows Losing Conference Championships or Bo Knows How to Lose by 25 Points+ At Least Twice a Season.

I'm not a bitter Nebraska fan. Nope. Not at all.
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'Bama and ND in the NC game.  Anyone giving ND a chance?

I think they will win.  I hope they do anyway.

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