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post #1 of 480
4/12/12 at 7:25am
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Pacific-Rim-Teaser-Poster.jpg

 

I know it's a long way off (currently filming), but as a KAIJU nut, this quote I just read (from Fangoria last year) has me tickled pink...

 

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At the moment, del Toro is in preproduction on a movie that will bring much bigger beasts to the big screen. PACIFIC RIM, which he’ll direct from a Travis Beacham script for Legendary Pictures and Warner Bros., with a cast headed by Charlie Hunnam, Idris Elba, Charlie Day, Willem Dafoe, Max Martini and Rinko Kikuchi, is a monster mash in which humans pilot giant robots to fend off an invasion of Earth by huge alien creatures. Sounds like there’s a heavy Japanese influence at work, at del Toro confirms, “It’s a great, great kaiju-vs.-mankind extravaganza. I saw all those movies as a kid; I grew up watching GOJIRA, WAR OF THE GARGANTUAS, FRANKENSTEIN CONQUERS THE WORLD, you name it. We saw them every Sunday in Mexico; there was a matinee with either British horror or Japanese horror, so I grew up on a steady diet of Japanese horror and science fiction. And we used to get a lot of Japanese TV—ULTRAMAN, SPACE GIANT… Mexico, for whatever reason, unexplainable to me, had a huge market for Japanese fiction.
 
As on DARK, del Toro hand-picked a team of designers to honor past inspirations while putting a new stamp on their bestiary. “I have a very good crew; among them are [fantasy illustrator] Wayne Barlowe, Guy Davis from the B.P.R.D. comics, a couple of newcomers and a sculptor I admire very much called Simon Lee. It’s a really great group, and they’re very mindful that these creatures should have the extravagance and the flamboyance and the sort of madness the kaiju have. We are not making straight dinosaurs or anything like that. Part of what is fun about a kaiju movie is that the monsters are really a little bit operatic.”

 

DAY AND DATE FOR PACIFIC RIM

WATCH TORONTO LOCALS BE VERY IMPRESSED WITH PACIFIC RIM LOCATION DRESSING

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post #2 of 480
4/12/12 at 7:36am

 

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Charlie Hunnam, Idris Elba, Charlie Day, Willem Dafoe, Max Martini and Rinko Kikuchi

 

I just have to say that I love this cast.

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post #3 of 480
4/12/12 at 7:54am
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I just have to say that I love this cast.

Couldn't agree more.

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post #4 of 480
4/12/12 at 8:05am

Must have missed Dafoe being cast. Wasn't Perlman (of course!) up for this as well?

 

I'm curious to see if Hunnam can break out better than Taylor Kitsch has so far (TV's Jax Teller was pretty great in his small roll in CHILDERN OF MEN, so there's that)

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post #5 of 480
4/12/12 at 9:01am
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Wasn't Perlman (of course!) up for this as well?

He's listed on the imdb page, but no character name given. Maybe they'll mocap him for the kaiju. :)
 

 

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post #6 of 480
4/12/12 at 9:36am

Perlman is onboard, I saw one of his face-casts. A good buddy of mine is pretty close to this production in the creature workshop, and he's been phone-mailing me some fucking amazing pictures of the stuff they're building. I was super psyched for this before he got hired, but now seeing all the behind-the-scenes shit is just mouth watering. 

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post #7 of 480
4/12/12 at 10:30am
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Guy Davis (BPRD comic artist) has done some creature designs *. Can't wait to see what they come up with. This is NOT from the flick...

 

davismonster.jpg

 

*Thought it might be newsworthy, but the submit a scoop function wasn't... functioning.

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post #8 of 480
4/12/12 at 10:37am

I know someone who knows someone (hahahaha) who has seen some concept work for this.  This person CREAMED themselves from gazing upon the scope of the project.  The names of the monsters are friggin badass. 

 

I'm excited.

 

(staying super vague so that nobody gets in trouble)

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post #9 of 480
4/12/12 at 10:48am

Sounds right up my street, I'm excited.

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post #10 of 480
4/13/12 at 5:15am

Also one of the folks pretty amped for this. Hoping it's a big hit for GDT.

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post #11 of 480
4/13/12 at 6:36am

Not that it's time to worry about such things yet, but how much FUCK YOU money would PACIFIC RIM need to bank to let GDT make AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS the way he wants? AVATAR money?

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post #12 of 480
4/13/12 at 7:55am

Two things need to happen if we want to see GDT's AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS. 1) PACIFIC RIM needs to be a hit and 2) Horror needs to do well at the box office in general. Which means everyone needs to go out and see CABIN IN THE WOODS this weekend. If you don't, you might as well hold yourself personally accountable for ATMOM never getting made.

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post #13 of 480
4/13/12 at 8:19am

My real concern is, where things stand, it opens a week after Spielberg's similar-themed Robopocalypse. Unless that's been delayed/moved and it hasn't been revealed yet?

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post #14 of 480
4/13/12 at 9:15am

MY main concern is the creature design. Godzilla, Rodan, King Ghidora, Gigan etc are iconic monster designs and very hard to create. The Cloverfield "lets throw in a bunch of tentacles oo that will be really scary" really doesn't do anything for me.

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post #15 of 480
4/13/12 at 9:21am

 

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My real concern is, where things stand, it opens a week after Spielberg's similar-themed Robopocalypse. Unless that's been delayed/moved and it hasn't been revealed yet?


Why do studios keep doing this to GDT? "Hey, let's open 'Hellboy 2' a week before 'The Dark Knight!'" Unbelievable.

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post #16 of 480
4/13/12 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie View Post

My real concern is, where things stand, it opens a week after Spielberg's similar-themed Robopocalypse.

Seriously? Jeez. GDT can't catch a break.
 

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MY main concern is the creature design.
 

GDT always has a great stable of monster designers on his team.

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post #17 of 480
4/13/12 at 9:41am

Just echoing the opening weekend dismay. They better move that shit. GDT deserves better than dying in the shadow of tentpole releases.

 

ETA: I have zero concerns about creature design. Toro loves his critters too much to let them be bland or bad.

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post #18 of 480
4/13/12 at 10:27am

Creature design should be the absolute last thing on anyone's mind. For fuck's sake even the roaches in Mimic were cool. 

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post #19 of 480
4/13/12 at 10:28am

Yeah, here's hoping the opening weekend drama doesn't affect this.  Short of ATMOM, this is probably my dream project from Guillermo, so I need it to do well.

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post #20 of 480
4/15/12 at 7:47pm

This REALLY needs to make bank and not just for the sake of ATMOM getting made in the near future.  GDT has made four studio projects before this and only one of them actually made money in theaters.  That's as much a contributing factor to getting ATMOM as horror doing well, if not moreso.  That and the fact that creating fantastic films (moreso his indie work) will only get him so far in Hollywood.  If his studio projects keep tanking, they will eventually stop calling...........which could severely torpedo his career.  Let's be honest, he can't make it on indie films alone.  Not forever.  Doom and gloom out of the way.....

 

 

 

A GDT GIANT MONSTER/KAIJU FLICK!  FUCK YES! WOOHOO!  CANNOT WAIT!!!!

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post #21 of 480
4/15/12 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie View Post

it opens a week after Spielberg's similar-themed Robopocalypse. 


Wow.  

 

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post #22 of 480
4/15/12 at 8:51pm

Stop worrying about Robopocalypse.

 

Spielberg is still knee-deep in post on Lincoln.  Robopocalypse doesn't even have a cast, let alone a single frame of film shot.  There's no way it will make its July 2013 spot.  Mark my words, that release date will be pushed back to December 2013.  Steven is fast, but he isn't THAT fast.

 

Besides, as far as I know, the similarities end with robotics.  The Beard's is a sci-fi thriller.  GDT's has giant robots punching monsters.  Conceptually, that's like comparing The Terminator to Transformers.

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post #23 of 480
4/15/12 at 10:10pm

Jaysis... Having gone from knowing nothing about the premise nor cast of this thing, to reading that?


I want this. NOW.

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post #24 of 480
4/15/12 at 11:31pm

I agree that worrying about ROBOPOCALYPSE is silly. If you want to worry about something, worry about how marketing is going to handle a modern crazy kaiju picture. I know that the TRANSFORMERS franchise might make it seem like an easy sell, but Guillermo doesn't have good luck as far as these things go. Lets hope the stars align here to give him the hit he needs. It certainly sounds good so far.

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post #25 of 480
4/15/12 at 11:35pm

If this doesn't knock it out of the park and finally give Guillermo his box office success, I'm calling it quits and living out the remainder of my days in seclusion.

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post #26 of 480
4/16/12 at 12:15am
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Stop worrying about Robopocalypse.

 

Spielberg is still knee-deep in post on Lincoln.  Robopocalypse doesn't even have a cast, let alone a single frame of film shot.  There's no way it will make its July 2013 spot.  Mark my words, that release date will be pushed back to December 2013.  Steven is fast, but he isn't THAT fast.

 

He is that fast.


Spielberg is more than capable of having Robo out next July.  He will often post one movie while prepping another, having one released in the summer and the other during the holidays and vice versa.  It's happened time and time again in the past:

 

Last Crusade-Summer '89/Always-Christmas '89 

Jurassic-Summer '93/Schindler-Christmas '93 

Amistad-Christmas '97/Private Ryan-Summer '98 

Minority Report-Summer '02/Catch Me-Christmas '02 

War of the Worlds-Summer '05/Munich-Christmas '05

 

War Horse and Tin Tin came out four days apart!  And the bottom line is Spielberg has NEVER had an action movie come out during the holidays, the only exception being Tin Tin (which is his only animated film, so it's different)...all of his big action pictures come out during the summer, they always have, so if they've set a July 3 date for next summer, Robo will be ready.  It's business as usual for him and there is no reason for it be pushed back.  He routinely makes those kinds of schedules.

 

Lincoln releases Christmas 2012, Robo coming out the following Summer would be exactly the same pattern we've seen from him time and time again.  Worse things could happen to GDT's movie, but it sucks they are virtually pairing it with what will obviously be a huge Spielberg event film.   

 

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post #27 of 480
4/16/12 at 9:15am
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If this doesn't knock it out of the park and finally give Guillermo his box office success, I'm calling it quits and living out the remainder of my days in seclusion.

I'm hoping that years down the line we won't look at his departure from THE HOBBIT as career suicide.

 

 

 

Maybe The Beard will voltron his 2 releases and just make ROBOLINCOLN. Part Emancipator. Part Machine. All President.

 

Steampunk-Lincoln-steampunk.jpg
 

 

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post #28 of 480
4/16/12 at 10:36am

Any word on the score?  Michael Giacchino nailed Ifukube's style with Roar.  I'd love more of that.

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post #29 of 480
4/16/12 at 11:20am

I think Dana from the cabin in the woods (kristen connolly) will be in this film.

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post #30 of 480
4/16/12 at 3:27pm


 

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He is that fast.


Jurassic-Summer '93/Schindler-Christmas '93 

Minority Report-Summer '02/Catch Me-Christmas '02 

War of the Worlds-Summer '05/Munich-Christmas '05

 

He is, but he isn't.  I kept the doubled-up productions on the list that have SFX heavy films in them, which Robopocalypse will be.  Notice a trend?  The SFX-heavy film is always first.  Steven can shoot the film in a month if he wants, but there's still no way the FX will be done in time (up to his standards) for him to make a July release.  I'll gladly eat my shoe if I'm wrong.  GDT has been filming for a good while now.  Steven hasn't even cast anyone yet.  Hell, there has even been any casting RUMORS yet.  It's not gonna happen.  November/December 2013 release.  I'm calling it right now.  Unless he starts shooting it within the next two months or so, I don't see how he could possibly make that date.
 

That said, I won't be surprised if he dives straight into a third project after this and has another film hitting in late 2013 (ala last year).

 



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I'm hoping that years down the line we won't look at his departure from THE HOBBIT as career suicide.


Same here.

 

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post #31 of 480
4/16/12 at 3:59pm
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He is, but he isn't.  I kept the doubled-up productions on the list that have SFX heavy films in them, which Robopocalypse will be.  Notice a trend?  The SFX-heavy film is always first. .

 

Spielberg has had plenty of FX heavy films released fairly soon before or after another film.  He is always heavily involved in his release dates...the date was given knowing full well he was in the midst of Lincoln...and he knows more about what is involved in the production than armchair internet fans...if he signed off on the date, he believes he can make the date, and considering his work ethic and past history, there's no reason to believe he wont make it.  Honestly I don't understand why you think he can't pull it off.  He is well into post on Lincoln and we're a full 14 months out from the release of Robo and it doesn't take long to cast roles, it can be done in a matter of days.  It's plenty of time.  Spielberg's crews (including FX artists) are the fastest in the business.  He is a VIP so there is little to no wait time on decisions, which is usually what holds up large films...if anyone else were directing it, yeah, I'd see your point.

 

War of the Worlds prepped for only three months, half the time it usually takes to prep a film that size, and Spielberg wasn't even rushing! 

 

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"This wasn't a cram course for War of the Worlds. This was my longest schedule in about 12 years. We took our time."

 

From the time they started shooting to the release of the film was 7 months!  And War of the Worlds has about 500 CGI shots in it.

 

I think you're seriously underestimating him.


Edited by Ambler - 4/16/12 at 4:31pm
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post #32 of 480
4/16/12 at 4:54pm

Is Robopocalypse going ahead, does it even have a script?  I ask because there's a World War Robot movie in development hell, and that has Bruckheimer behind it?

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post #33 of 480
4/16/12 at 4:56pm
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Is Robopocalypse going ahead, does it even have a script?  I ask because there's a World War Robot movie in development hell, and that has Bruckheimer behind it?


They set the release date 7 months ago, so I would imagine, yes, there is a script and it is going ahead.

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post #34 of 480
4/16/12 at 4:59pm

Ok.  I'm just paranoid after Interstellar failed to materialize.

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post #35 of 480
4/16/12 at 5:05pm

Yeah Interstellar has been frustrating...perhaps Spielberg isn't happy with the drafts.  I know Jonathan Nolan took a stab a while ago, that was the last I heard of it.

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post #36 of 480
4/16/12 at 6:05pm
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Any word on the score?  Michael Giacchino nailed Ifukube's style with Roar.  I'd love more of that.

 

Ramin Djawadi.
 

http://deltorofilms.com/wp/2012/02/27/media/audio/ramin-djawadi-to-score-pacific-rim

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post #37 of 480
4/16/12 at 6:38pm

Drew Goddard, the writer of Robopocalypse  just had an interview with Collider, and he said that's he's been working on the script for a long while, and they're shooting it in the fall.  This is about the same type of schedule Spielberg had on War Of The Worlds.  Fall shoot, movie released the following summer.

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post #38 of 480
4/16/12 at 11:28pm
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From the time they started shooting to the release of the film was 7 months!  And War of the Worlds has about 500 CGI shots in it.

 

I think you're seriously underestimating him.



Yeah, there's no reason him being deep in post on Lincoln will have any negative effect on Robo's scheduling, I've heard the reason he was able to turn around WotW so fast was because he actually went into post for all the pure CG elements before a single frame of live footage was shot. If he's already there for Lincoln, there's no reason he won't be able to turn around and get the big Robopocalypse shots set up before he even casts and goes out to shoot it.

 

And there's no way I see Robopocalypse being anything other than one of his fast dirty weekend lark shoots like Lost World, or WotW.

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post #39 of 480
4/16/12 at 11:29pm
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Ramin Djawadi.
 

http://deltorofilms.com/wp/2012/02/27/media/audio/ramin-djawadi-to-score-pacific-rim



Am I wrong or is this not really disappointing? Does he have some gem I'm not familiar with, cuz Iron Man alone was enough to put him on my disregard list indefinitely. 

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post #40 of 480
4/16/12 at 11:32pm

I can't speak for his other work, but I enjoyed his soundtrack for the first season of Game of Thrones.  I'm not sure if that makes him fitting for this project (a lot of his best work on the soundtrack is more low-key, such as the underlying theme for the Stark family), but I don't think he's untalented.

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post #41 of 480
4/17/12 at 12:43am

I have a feeling that getting a good rousing theme won't be a problem for him. His Game Of Thrones theme is my favorite bit of TV music since Bear McCreary's BSG stuff.

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post #42 of 480
4/17/12 at 4:16am

Comparing his GoT music to BSG is definitely high praise. Now I'm eager to check more of his stuff out.  Thanks. 

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post #43 of 480
4/17/12 at 6:06am

Keep in mind that haven't listened to GOT's score nearly as much as BSG's so it may be half horrible. But what I've listened to I liked.

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post #44 of 480
4/17/12 at 12:16pm
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Am I wrong or is this not really disappointing? Does he have some gem I'm not familiar with, cuz Iron Man alone was enough to put him on my disregard list indefinitely. 

Not sure if I'm alone on this, but I used to think he was bollocks until I heard his bouncy Fight Night theme. That was surprisingly fun and gothic.
 

 

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post #45 of 480
4/17/12 at 11:28pm

Cool, thanks for broadening my horizons, guys. 

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post #46 of 480
4/18/12 at 1:26am
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Keep in mind that haven't listened to GOT's score nearly as much as BSG's so it may be half horrible. But what I've listened to I liked.

Had no idea the same guy did GoT as Iron Man. Iron Man almost had a non-score, but the GoT stuff is fantastic. Maybe he's one of those composers who really has to feel the material.
 

 

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post #47 of 480
4/18/12 at 3:55am

I can tell it's not a popular view in these parts, but I for one fucking loved the music playing when Stark test flew the Mark II armour. I'll admit some othat had to do with the tech-porn 360 shot as the control surfaces were tested that Favreau indulged us with, but I thought the proto-metal stylings worked well there. The rest was eminently forgettable, mind.


 

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Am I wrong or is this not really disappointing? Does he have some gem I'm not familiar with, cuz Iron Man alone was enough to put him on my disregard list indefinitely. 



 

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post #48 of 480
4/18/12 at 10:21pm

 

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Maybe he's one of those composers who really has to feel the material.

 

Or he's all about giving the director what they want.  Both IM films had generic rock scores and he only did the first one, I believe.  Sounds to me like that's the kind of score Favreau wanted.

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post #49 of 480
6/22/12 at 10:02am

From Del Toro:

 

"We had a Tokyo scene that we shot here in Toronto. We had several Hong Kong scenes and a few scenes in Australia, through the television. We briefly see the kaiju take over San Francisco. The whole Pacific Rim needs a sense of danger."

 

"We take the battles far and above! Two or three of them happen in places where there have never been a battle between kaiju and robots. From the bottom of the ocean to the atmosphere of the Earth. We have a battle in a storm at sea. Every battle we try to do differently. One is seen from the point of view of a single person. We never cut away from that point of view."

 

 

I am so there.

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post #50 of 480
6/22/12 at 10:31am

Anybody know which comic this was from? I've been a bit lax on BPRD for a few years now.

 

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Guy Davis (BPRD comic artist) has done some creature designs *. Can't wait to see what they come up with. This is NOT from the flick...

 

davismonster.jpg

 

*Thought it might be newsworthy, but the submit a scoop function wasn't... functioning.

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