Originally Posted by Schwartz
It's not just strategizing with Cap, it's also that he throws himself with absolutely no hesitation into every available breach, and keeps getting up after taking serious lumps. He comes off as a hero because he acts like one, more so than because of tangible contributions to the fight (which he provides the least of anyone).
The issue of what a Hawkeye can bring to the team is a built-in joke for any Super Friends-ish team scenario. I thought the movie handled it better than I had hoped, but if it actually bothers anyone then maybe superhero team-up movies aren't really their best bet for entertainment.
Well, I was just responding to Prankster's post re: Cap's value. I absolutely get the sacrificial nobility he brings, as well as perseverance. And I agree with you that Whedon did a genuinely great job juggling these characters and creating a fun, BIG scenario for them to overcome.
My take is simply that, on subsequent viewings, the plausibility of Cap, Hawkeye and Black Widow making a difference against thousands (or more) of heavily armed and armored aliens using advanced weaponry - or even surviving the attack - seems to strain the credulity of even the film's reality.
That's just my take, though. Variable mileage and all that.
Originally Posted by Freeman
I dunno, it looks to me like Cap was kicking ass on that bridge pretty good. I got the sense he was definately controlling the ground game as best as he could, while Thor, Iron Man and Hulk worried about really big stuff.
Again, I don't dispute Cap's hand to hand fighting ability, or even his skill at taking on a small group of Chitauri. Taking on thousands of them is another thing, and repeat viewings of the film make it plain (to me) that the aliens don't do the one thing that seems most likely: simply drown the three on-the-ground heroes in numbers, which they could have easliy done.