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post #101 of 155
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It's funny how you all dismiss my comment, yet continue to prove it. I can point out posts on this page that back it up. Do you people actually read the threads or just throw things at the wall and move on?

 

I really like the show, but I don't buy into the comments and discussion = quality argument. I mean, how many posts does the Dark Knight Rises thread have? The movie's not even out yet. And it could certainly suck. 

post #102 of 155
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The way I was going to put this is that the show is falling into the grey area that snares a lot of slice-of-life dramedies; it's not that funny, and not that engaging emotionally, so while it can be fitfully amusing or insightful, but quickly forgettable. 

 

 

Ding ding ding!!!!

 

It doesn't really matter how "honest" or "raw" the show is if it can't pull you in on an emotional level.  Granted, this show seems to have its fans and I've only made it through four episodes, so maybe it does get better.

 

It'll be interesting to see Girls in its second season and see how much of it is affected by the response of the initial season.

post #103 of 155
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It'll be interesting to see Girls in its second season and see how much of it is affected by the response of the initial season.

 

How is this different from any other show that reaches a second season?

post #104 of 155
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How is this different from any other show that reaches a second season?

Most shows don't necessarily have this level of discussion aimed at its supposed quality.

post #105 of 155
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Most shows don't necessarily have this level of discussion aimed at its supposed quality.

 

Something tells me the show is out of fucks to give about those who don't like it and will probably do everything it's can to keep the folks that do. Again, that's what any show would do. 

post #106 of 155

James Franco on Girls:

"The guys in the show are the biggest bunch of losers I've ever seen. There is a drip who gets dumped because he bores his girlfriend; a dad who hits on his babysitter; a bevy of wussy hipsters who are just grist for the insatiable lust of the too-cool girl with the British accent; and the king of them all, the shirtless dude who talks funny and hides his stomach all the time. I know this sorry representation of men is fair payback for the endless parade of airheaded women on the West Coast male counterpart to Girls, Entourage, which in turn was fair payback for the cast of male dorks on Sex in the City. (They seemed like dorks to me, at least, on the occasions when my ex-girlfriend tuned in while I happened to be around.)"

post #107 of 155

I couldn't care less about how males or females are depicted in this. I'm just tired of comedies about post-college navel-gazing twentysomethings trying oh so hard to find their true selves.

post #108 of 155
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I watched Tiny Furniture last night, and I admire that Dunham's viewpoint and style are evident from the beginning. The actress who plays Jessa pretty much plays the same character in TF, and it feels like Dunham certainly wants to portray her as some sort of quirky-cool goddess, which is a lot easier to take as a small part of a 90-minute movie than as a recurring character on a 13-episode TV show. Jessa reminds me of a younger version of Samantha from Sex In The City, minus a soul and the ability to feel joy.


Edited by Mangy - 6/1/12 at 10:52am
post #109 of 155

Just did a marathon with the GF last night.  Am I supposed to dislike pretty much everyone on this show?   I think I rather spend a weekend with Tony Soprano then Hanna. 

post #110 of 155
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Just did a marathon with the GF last night.  Am I supposed to dislike pretty much everyone on this show?   I think I rather spend a weekend with Tony Soprano then Hanna. 

 

I'd be curious to know if your girlfriend shared your reaction.

post #111 of 155
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I'd be curious to know if your girlfriend shared your reaction.

 

I think she enjoyed the show, she fell asleep by the end of the last episode that we didn't have time to discuss.

The thing that got me, was the male reaction to the British cousin.  Guys find her attractive?  Sexy?  I find her repulisive in every manner.

The only character I seem to like, is the virgin.  Hanna is just asking to be abused mentally, and the pretty brunette, yeah, your boyfriend was a pussy, but you lead him on for how long?   Love how the one guy just walked away from her as she is talking. 

post #112 of 155

Ironically, Hannah/Dunham's the only one of the characters I actually find physically attractive. The other three are objectively pretty, but in exceedingly boring ways.

 

I managed to blow through the rest of the episodes thus far, and Im actually fairly compelled by this whole thing. For one thing, the show is indeed getting funnier. The phrase "crack spirit guide", and Shoshanna taking off the second she's left alone are the hardest gut laughs so far. Second, we're starting to get a clearer picture behind the motivations of these people. Hannah's attachment to Adam (guy's a complete shitsmear, but he is, indeed, completely unlike anybody else, "normal" just doesn't do it for her, and she's starting to figure that out.), Marnie's need for Charlie (she's got this emotional invisible fence she wants to keep everybody at. Charlie gets too close, Hannah's too far, and she's too self-obsessed to let anyone else get in range), Shoshanna's virginity (Im taking a shot in the dark that she's autistic, but, she could just be written as that one character in a comedy completely out of sync with reality. In general, though, she's trying out all the things that "normal" women like to try and fit in, while not realizing it makes her look more out of place), Jessa's wild nature (she's just generally kind of a bitch, and yet people keep listening to what she has to say, so she never gets embarrassed enough to stop) are all starting to make sense, and I can't imagine that Dunham doesn't have a plan to shake these people up in big ways as time goes on. What's really keeping the show fascinating is seeing all these elements at play, and immediately connecting them with relationships I've had, and witnessed happen to others. There's a weirdly satisfying catharsis to that.

 

So, i might be in this for the long haul.

post #113 of 155

As much as I love the series, and I really do, I hope there is a plan for Jessa. Because she's fast becoming one of the more repugnant characters in the show. She reminds me of a female Paul Kinsey, where essentially the character has been allowed to get away with their bullshit for so long that they actually believe what they're fronting. The only difference is that the cast of Mad Men kind of call Kinsey on his bullshit, whilst Jessa is currently being portrayed as this fun, wacky, free spirit. 

post #114 of 155
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Ironically, Hannah/Dunham's the only one of the characters I actually find physically attractive. The other three are objectively pretty, but in exceedingly boring ways.

 

 

Really?  I don't think she is gross, but the way she dresses is a complete turn off.  It's almost like she goes out of her way to look unattractive and frumpy.  Tattoos are terrible too, but I think she would agree with me on that.

post #115 of 155

I'm not doing a complete 180 yet, but the last episode was certainly the strongest thus far.  I may have problems with the series overall, but it is certainly an entertaining watch.

post #116 of 155

"It doesn't make sense to get out now, there's pee on you." LOL

 

That guy is weird, but fascinating - something about the cadence of his speech.  Still need to catch up on the bulk of the episodes.

post #117 of 155

I find myself totally unmoved by almost all the criticism put forth against this show. Which is strange because I don't really like it a whole lot, or enjoy it. The series has some sort of weird "rubber - glue" defense system where every criticism lobbed at it ends up blowing back on the person voicing the criticism.

 

So, in essence, I agree with Deanburger.

post #118 of 155
"Yo, skank, whassup? You gettin' that pussy pounded? ...It's my sister."
post #119 of 155

"I don't do ice cream. It's like sweet mucous."

 

For one shining episode, shower pee aside.....I like Adam.

post #120 of 155

Yeah Adam and Marnie were amazing in the episode. Love how now that Hannah is in the 'getting to know you' stage of the relationship we're starting to get a more multifaceted picture of the guy. Also loved how he still had that edge about him, him screaming at the car was actually kind of unnerving, as well as the more endearing moments. 

post #121 of 155

I loved the episode, aside from the terrible writing they gave the dude from Bridesmaids. That was more than a little obnoxious. Adam is a fascinating character, and he's consistently funny. 

post #122 of 155

Oh my God, that *was* Chris O'Dowd. Wow.

post #123 of 155
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I couldn't care less about how males or females are depicted in this. I'm just tired of comedies about post-college navel-gazing twentysomethings trying oh so hard to find their true selves.

What if they were STEAMPUNK, gamer 20 somethings navel gazing etc?
Huh? Bet you like it THEN....

post #124 of 155

Best episode on Sunday, Hanna's confrontation with her roommate presented some hard truths to both of them. Hanna was also confronted with her lack of substantial life experience and significance of her art through the reading. The scene with Jessa and the wife was excellent, when the wife told her that she would continue to create drama all around her until she grew the fuck up it really seemed to hit home. We can debate Jessa's attractiveness all day, the character is written as attractive, and the character has been confronted with the reality that beautiful women can cause chaos in their wake if they choose to. Will be very interesting to see how each of the characters responds to these revelations in future episodes. Before I watched this show as a curiousity, now I am interested.

 

 

Too bad poor miss Mamet is still left without a fully fleshed out character, someone mentioned the idea that the character is an undiagnosed autistic, which would certainly be interesting. It just seems that our other 3 girls have been identified as to who they are and what they are struggling with to a certain degree.....while Zosia remains a comic relief curiousity.

post #125 of 155

Didn't expect Jessa to end up with Chris O'Dowd. Not even close to how much i didn't expect I'd be siding with Adam by the end of the season.

post #126 of 155

I've liked Adam since Episode 2, with his creepy sex talk.  My girlfriend, though, just cringed every time she saw him, and talked about how repulsive he is.  Not so much any more.  Probably since the warehouse party.  Maybe even earlier than that.  "You look like a Mexican teenager." was probably the funniest line with the best delivery in the whole season for me.

post #127 of 155

He's still a Yautja-grade ugly motherfucker, but, as he said this last ep, he committed, and promptly became a better person. So, Hannah flinching on letting him move in just made her look more ridiculous.

post #128 of 155

For real, ya'll? No activity? This is one of the best shows on teevee. Even if you are not in your 20's, If you REMEMBER being in your 20's you have to admit the show is the tits.

post #129 of 155
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For real, ya'll? No activity? This is one of the best shows on teevee. Even if you are not in your 20's, If you REMEMBER being in your 20's you have to admit the show is the tits.

 

Current shows that are closer to my 20's than GIRLS:   GAME OF THRONES, FRINGE, DR WHO, ADVENTURE TIME and REAL HOUSEWIVES OF BEVERLY HILLS.  

post #130 of 155
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Current shows that are closer to my 20's than GIRLS:   GAME OF THRONES, FRINGE, DR WHO, ADVENTURE TIME and REAL HOUSEWIVES OF BEVERLY HILLS.  

When you were in your twenties you were a deposed queen who could control dragons? Or you got your head chopped off be a bratty tweener tyrant?

 

I guess you have a point.

 

This is CHUD, not GAWKER.

post #131 of 155
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This is CHUD, not GAWKER.

 

I remember my twenties. I was a self-absorbed asshole who thought all my relationship problems were the most important things in the world, and oh dear God what was I going to do with all my talents and skills in an uncaring and unfeeling world, and was I getting laid enough to be considered normal/hot, and MAN, my parents didn't get me, even though they were great, and all the jobs I had were so far beneath me it wasn't even funny, and I'm pretty sure that girl in the subway was flirting with me, but I couldn't bring myself to move on it, and the only people who understood my art were my best friends, but I still never got the encouragement I needed, and I tried to stay fashionable but not TOO fashionable, if you know what I mean, and I often pretended to like a lot of shitty, shitty music because my friends were pretending the same thing, but at home we always listened to the stuff we actually liked, and I smoked a lot of dope and drank too much and generally thought I was the center of the universe.

 

You mean those twenties?

post #132 of 155

I just call that life. 

post #133 of 155
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I remember my twenties. I was a self-absorbed asshole who thought all my relationship problems were the most important things in the world, and oh dear God what was I going to do with all my talents and skills in an uncaring and unfeeling world, and was I getting laid enough to be considered normal/hot, and MAN, my parents didn't get me, even though they were great, and all the jobs I had were so far beneath me it wasn't even funny, and I'm pretty sure that girl in the subway was flirting with me, but I couldn't bring myself to move on it, and the only people who understood my art were my best friends, but I still never got the encouragement I needed, and I tried to stay fashionable but not TOO fashionable, if you know what I mean, and I often pretended to like a lot of shitty, shitty music because my friends were pretending the same thing, but at home we always listened to the stuff we actually liked, and I smoked a lot of dope and drank too much and generally thought I was the center of the universe.

 

You mean those twenties?


Yeah, those are the ones. 

Maybe that's why I think the show is funny. It was long enough ago that I don't get PTSD from watching it.

post #134 of 155

Jesus, Dunham is really one of those filmmakers who thinks portraying a character wandering aimlessly around a city conveys the depth and complexity of alienation and ennui, or whatever. This was a bad way for this season to end, and just underlines how utterly pointless it's been. Even in the second-to-last episode, Dunham seems to provide her own excuse for the trivialness of her writing, suggesting that not tackling issues of importance is okay because it would demand that she abandon her "voice." There is a place for the mundane and the banal, but Dunham's show does not have the artistic merit, nor the general sense that other people exist, that is necessary to be engaging with such concepts.

 

It's a silly show.

post #135 of 155

This show won't be taken seriously here until everyone becomes over exaggerated, borderline retarded, cartoon caricature of themselves, has a wacky guy who shows up every episode in a different costume, and has a geeky gimmick episode almost every week.   Just throw in a zombie/paintball/video game episode, some Dr. Who references, and a South Park style 'lesson we learned today" ending, and you got gold! 

post #136 of 155

I admit that if the TARDIS shows up, I'll start watching this on first airing and not on DVR.

post #137 of 155
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Jesus, Dunham is really one of those filmmakers who thinks portraying a character wandering aimlessly around a city conveys the depth and complexity of alienation and ennui, or whatever. This was a bad way for this season to end, and just underlines how utterly pointless it's been. Even in the second-to-last episode, Dunham seems to provide her own excuse for the trivialness of her writing, suggesting that not tackling issues of importance is okay because it would demand that she abandon her "voice." There is a place for the mundane and the banal, but Dunham's show does not have the artistic merit, nor the general sense that other people exist, that is necessary to be engaging with such concepts.

 

It's a silly show.

 

I couldn't disagree more.  I thought that the character ending up on Coney Island by herself was deeply personal and symbolic, it telegraphed emotions that were incredibly real and lifelike while not attached to the baggage of "issues".  The point of this show is not that other people exist, it's that this is how people exist.  Most people's lives are petty and small, but their stories are passionate and personal ... there's something exciting about that.  I think that Woody Allen and Charles Bukowski get a lot more slack than has been afforded Dunham - when you look at the characters, plots, and themes they've create, I think there are a lot of similarities, including the use of "wandering aimlessly around a city".

post #138 of 155
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Current shows that are closer to my 20's than GIRLS:   GAME OF THRONES, FRINGE, DR WHO, ADVENTURE TIME and REAL HOUSEWIVES OF BEVERLY HILLS.  


... the fuck?

 

That's one ridiculous example of hyperbole that doesn't survive ANY scrutiny.

 

This show is fucking great.

post #139 of 155

Man, I wish my 20's were like Ratty's.  Mine are actually quite a bit like GIRLS, only the awkward sex is less funny.

post #140 of 155

Solid finale, the Hanna/Adam on again off again relationship is a bit trite, but it is funny enough to be bearable, both characters can learn some things from each other.

 

Jessa's reaction to last episodes confrontation was classic.  Jumping straight into another distraction that is so obviously going to be a disaster that I am curious to where it goes from here. I get it, Jessa is a self centered evil bitch, and she has finally found a male character odious enough to inflict herself on.

 

Marnie and her ex almost ended up in that broke up but still fucking category, which seems to be where most relationships in the 20's end up. This is usually a good deal for the guy, would of been interesting to see the female side of it, too bad they did not go there.

 

Little miss Shoshana's becoming a woman was definately depressing, talk about a chick ticking something off a list. Not sure why dude was into that. He seriously needed to spend some time downstairs and give the girl a couple of orgasms before doing anything else.

post #141 of 155
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Little miss Shoshana's becoming a woman was definately depressing, talk about a chick ticking something off a list. Not sure why dude was into that. He seriously needed to spend some time downstairs and give the girl a couple of orgasms before doing anything else.

 

How do you know he didn't? And her anxiety is all about losing her virginity. The last guy that almost slept with her went downtown on her first and foremost and she freaked out, then told him she was a virgin, then he shut her down.

 

I thought it was really good. I'm surprised people hate this show so much...


Edited by Parker - 6/24/12 at 2:39pm
post #142 of 155
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I thought it was really good. I'm surprised people hate this show so much...

 

Seriously, I hate "Weeds", but it's my fault that I've watched every episode of that stupid show.  I don't go to "Weeds" message boards and complain.  If people don't like this show, STOP WATCHING IT.

post #143 of 155

Well, I'm guilty of that sometimes (first season of The Killing, The Walking Dead), but mostly because I like enough things about the show to keep me to keep watching. And then I dislike so many aspects of the show I feel the need to bitch to someone. Isn't that what message boards are for?

I'm just at the point where I find most complaints about the show more trite than anything on the show, if that makes sense. I get where people are coming from, I just strongly disagree. 

post #144 of 155

Managed to catchup on this on SoHo.  Don;t really want to go through the thread as we're only a few episodes into it but I have to say I really like it.


Which is weird, because I massively dislike almost every single character in it.  For me this is usually a deal breaker (Scott Pilgrim being my best example), but for some reason, these hateful hateful people click into comedy gold.  I honestly belly laugh more at this, almost immediately after disliking a character, than anything else I've known.

Example - the episode where he pees on her in the shower.  Again it's "why the fuck are you with this guy, he's an arsehole" but the "well it doesn't make sense to get out now, you're still covered in pee" "SCREAM" had me rolling on the floor. As did "just so you know, I'm going to eat her cunt right out on the sidewalk".

 

Its quite a good three way on Soho Thurs at the mo.  Bored to Death, Girls, then Veep (although that finished last night).

post #145 of 155

Been forgetting to post this link for two weeks - Lena Dunham on the BS Report:

 

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantland/player?id=8042447

post #146 of 155

"If you didn't like Primus before, you probably still won't." - Tales From The Punchbowl print ad, 1995

 

Keep going here or start a season 2 thread?

 

post #147 of 155

Since a Season 2 thread doesn't seem to be coming, I thought I would post this here:

 

Kareem Adul Jabar on Girls via the AV Club.

 

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Last season the show was criticized for being too white. Watching a full season could leave a viewer snow blind. This season that white ghetto was breached by a black character who is introduced as some jungle fever lover, with just enough screen time to have sex and mutter a couple of lines about wanting more of a relationship. A black dildo would have sufficed and cost less.

 

I don't believe that people of color, sexual preference, or gender need to be shaken indiscriminately into every series like some sort of exotic seasoning. If the story calls for a black character, great. A story about a black neighborhood doesn't necessarily need white characters just to balance the racial profile. But this really seemed like an effort was made to add some color -- and it came across as forced.

 

 

That being said, he still praises the show and what it is attempting to do, even if he thinks the show isn't doing it as well as it could.

post #148 of 155

I have watched the first few episodes.....so far I have seen nothing interesting worth commenting on. This show seems to be turning into friends with nudity and cussing.

 

I thought Dunham was on the verge of saying something interesting last season. This season....whatever point is being made, I have missed it entirely.

post #149 of 155

So this weeks episode was finally interesting to me.

 

The first 15 minutes, I was sitting watching and thinking....wow, we are just going to play out the female fantasy of the perfect husband, the perfect tasteful home, and the perfect life that everyone does not want to admit they strive toward.

 

But then after Hanna's fainting episode, the point became clear, and to me, it was well stated.

 

Hanna starts opening up her psyche to this man, and he cannot back away fast enough. Hanna gets to see that ultimately what she wants cannot be provided in a traditional marriage situation. No matter how nice, handsome, successful, interesting the man is. What Hanna is craving is connection, and that will not be present in the way she wants it.


Her walking out of the house and down the road was symbolic of her walking away from the standard dreams and wants young women are expected to desire. Whether Hanna figures out what she actually wants, and whether or not she can actually achieve it are other questions entirely. But I can say that I thought this was a thoughful and interesting episode, which is not something I had been able to say about this season so far.

post #150 of 155
That was easily the weirdest and most... Awkward episode yet.
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