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post #251 of 313

This fucking show...

 

There is no way LaGuerta would go to that container without calling for back-up.  That was stupid and she isn't a stupid character. 

 

This whole season has been retarded. 
 

post #252 of 313
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Who would LaGuerta call? And how would she explain it if was a setup and she was duped again? I had no problem with that.

 

I did have a problem with her demanding that Deb kill Dexter. Asking her to arrest him or call for backup might have had a better shot at actually working. "Kill the brother you love (and LOVE) instead of the raging bitch that tried to ruin your career and will definitely throw you in jail!" is a poor argument. smile.gif

 

It'll be interesting to see how Deb handles this... and whether Dex tries the reasoning I likely would... "C'mon Deb... she really did suck."

post #253 of 313
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This fucking show...

 

There is no way LaGuerta would go to that container without calling for back-up.  That was stupid and she isn't a stupid character. 

 

This whole season has been retarded. 
 

 

This season? Hell, the full series DVD boxset might as well be in the shape of a short yellow bus.

post #254 of 313
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Hey, the books are much worse, and Deb is a fucking moron in them, and why is Masuka such a horn-dog? He's secretly gay! It's also revealed that The Dark Passenger is an ancient evil entity. It's stunning how bad they are.

 

 

The books are abortions on paper. But at this point I'm kind of thinking the show's kind of taken a more lateral move than anything else.

post #255 of 313
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The books are abortions on paper. But at this point I'm kind of thinking the show's kind of taken a more lateral move than anything else.

What's funny is that Jeff Lindsay is very snobby about crime fiction, saying he doesn't read it.

 

It shows.

post #256 of 313
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This fucking show...

 

There is no way LaGuerta would go to that container without calling for back-up.  That was stupid and she isn't a stupid character. 

 

This whole season has been retarded. 
 

 

Yeah, that would have been a good choice. "Hey guys you know that drug dealer I tried to frame Dexter for murdering? He called me and asked for help." That would certainly not raise any questions. Instead of simply getting in trouble for falsifying evidence she should add actively colluding with a felon.

 

This season was the best since the first couple. Dexter has always been TV fast food. Tasty, but fast food nonetheless. It never was and will never be much better than what it was this season. If this was a disappointment for people I'm flagergasted at how they managed to get to this point. It took both Dexter and Deb into the place they should have gone in the third season. It started cutting down on the fat. I was pleasantly surprised.

post #257 of 313
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Yeah, that would have been a good choice. "Hey guys you know that drug dealer I tried to frame Dexter for murdering? He called me and asked for help." That would certainly not raise any questions. Instead of simply getting in trouble for falsifying evidence she should add actively colluding with a felon.

 

This season was the best since the first couple. Dexter has always been TV fast food. Tasty, but fast food nonetheless. It never was and will never be much better than what it was this season. If this was a disappointment for people I'm flagergasted at how they managed to get to this point. It took both Dexter and Deb into the place they should have gone in the third season. It started cutting down on the fat. I was pleasantly surprised.

Completely agree. Also now there is real innocent blood on Dexter's hands. There kind of has been before in a very round about way but always collateral damage. Not only is an innocent person with a noble goal dead, Dexter made Deb responsible. He didn't just drag her into his world by covering up a murder or letting something slide. No she actually killed an innocent person in cold blood. I never really thought the show would go there. Usually when someone offs the person chasing Dexter, it's a way to kill that person who doesn't fit the code but have the blood not be on Dexter's hands. But this time, while they technically did do that........ohh the consequences. Watching Deb completely break down is going to tragic. Im honestly not sure how they will end this now. Does Dexter still go out the hero? Can he ever really be that again after all this, after becoming just like the killer on his table (more or less)? I guess maybe he can die doing something heroic.........but he does have to die right? I mean he can't just walk off into the sunset right?

post #258 of 313

I don't think the show's really that good of a "fast food" program. Like I'm all about ignoring a few plotholes if the overall package works, but Dexter is just kind of a big stupid mess.

 

 

I watch the show but it's totally from the frame of "LOL these writers a fucking dumbasses" more than anything else.

post #259 of 313
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I watch the show but it's totally from the frame of "LOL these writers a fucking dumbasses" more than anything else.

 

I never got that. I'd rather be playing Minecraft or doing my nails than watching something I don't like.

post #260 of 313
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Yeah, that would have been a good choice. "Hey guys you know that drug dealer I tried to frame Dexter for murdering? He called me and asked for help." That would certainly not raise any questions. Instead of simply getting in trouble for falsifying evidence she should add actively colluding with a felon.

 

 

That's one way of doing it.  Or, how about this:

 

"Hey, can some of you uniformed police check out this anonymous tip I got."

 

Or: "Hey, I got this weird phone call about a murder that might be happening.  You uniformed police come with me." And yeah, Hector never said anything about a murder, but given that she knows (or should surmise) that Dexter is fucking with her, why not lie about it and send some uniformed police to check it out?  Or a detective or two?  Especially if finding that dude alive could completely exonerate her?

 

The fact remains that this was a stupid move by a character that is not supposed to be stupid.   The whole thing screamed trap from the outset and she walked into it willy-nilly.  It was a dumb move by a show that used to be smarter.  This whole season was nothing but dumb on toast. 

 

For instance, Dexter admitted to being a killer while talking to Issac in prison.  On a prison visitation phone.  The phones they monitor.

 

Good God this fucking show...

post #261 of 313
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I never got that. I'd rather be playing Minecraft or doing my nails than watching something I don't like.

I'd wager Lauren spends more time watching stuff she hates than things she likes.

Your house is covered in Elves, isn't it Lauren? Isn't it?
post #262 of 313
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I never got that. I'd rather be playing Minecraft or doing my nails than watching something I don't like.


Same. SEVEN SEASONS OF HATE-WATCHING?!?

 

Jesus, I've never been filled with enough self-loathing to to do that. I guess if you're going to be consumed by cynicism, you may as well commit fully to it!

 

Personally, I watch shows from a place of hope. I hope they'll be entertaining/insightful/interesting and cause me to want to think about and/or talk about them afterwards. When I reach a point with a show where I'm convinced it will suck (Heroes, Prison Break, etc), I bail for greener pastures. There's enough shitty stuff in the world that I feel no need to seek out MORE.

 

Even after last season's whore-greeting, tableau-painting mess, I -still- entered this season with hope, due to the direction the cliffhanger pointed. And for the most part, this was a return to entertaining form. And I'll be optimistic again at the start of next season... as long as they don't chicken out on it being the last. smile.gif

post #263 of 313

Guys, everyone was at Angel's retirement party! NO WAY they could have backed up LaGuerta! Because every single cop was partying. Plus, this was a personal journey for LaGuerta. And no one believed her anyway. She had to bring this one home by her lone. Even if she had tried to call for back-up, that party was too loud. No could hear their phones...

 

Oh, god.  

post #264 of 313

As much as I liked Yvonne Strahovski, why did Hannah get to slip away while Issac had to die? I'd be feeling a lot more optimistic about next season if Issac HAD left when he said he would, thus leaving him in play for the final season. 

 

Then again, we now have not one but TWO of Dexter's exes still kicking. Want to bet Hannah and Lumen will come back next season? I always imagine Dexter getting caught, it being broadcasted across the nation, and as he's lead away in hand cuffs...Lumen throws some molotov cocktails and gets Dexter to safety. 

post #265 of 313

I actually would really love to be a writer one day! So there's something deeply fascinating about seeing such horrific writing.

 

Also threads where it's like "Show's pretty good! Every other character is pretty awful but eh.."

post #266 of 313
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I actually would really love to be a writer one day! So there's something deeply fascinating about seeing such horrific writing.

 

Also threads where it's like "Show's pretty good! Every other character is pretty awful but eh.."

Honestly, Michael C. Hall is so good and charismatic that it's gotten me through the worst parts.

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Also:

 

post #268 of 313

Way too skinny and not enough booty for me.  So, unfortunately, I have to pay attention to the show.  Which has been lacking.
 

post #269 of 313
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Her acting has been terrific, though. The more they've given her to work with, the more she's stepped up. In season 1 or 2, I'd never have imagined she'd be able to go toe-to-toe in scenes with Hall the way she has recently.

post #270 of 313

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Honestly, Michael C. Hall is so good and charismatic that it's gotten me through the worst parts.

 

He's the only reason I've stayed with the show. He's so good that he makes all the stupid shit that happens around Dexter seem plausible.

 

I really wanna see Michael C. Hall as Batman.

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I really wanna see Michael C. Hall as Batman.

Oh. OH. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
post #272 of 313

I laugh at the idea that LaGuerta can't be stupid enough to walk in alone.

 

And when I say that I mean that in that the single smartest character they had Doakes, realized that Dexter was the Bay Harbor Butcher, found hidden blood slides and then decided he should take them himself rather than call the police in at that point.

 

After that I can believe whatever stupidity the characters are written to do.

post #273 of 313
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After that I can believe whatever stupidity the characters are written to do.

 

Well, the show does take place in Florida.

post #274 of 313

Gotta say I was disappointed in the finale. Hanna being poisoned with the help of her friend seemed too easy, and a useless ending to her story arc. I guess I'm just getting tired of the characters and there's not a lot they can do with them that keeps me interested in the show.

My problem is-on Saturday nites a couple friends come over and we party and watch the weeks shows we follow--Walking Dead, Dex, Justified, Breaking Bad. I'm kinda locked into continuing to watch these, even if I decide for myself that I don't want to continue viewing them. Dexter is the only one of the list I'd cross off, tho Walking Dead came real close last year. I guess with a finite last season the Dex writers will pack in the plot and action for the remaining episodes and it won't be boring.

I hope.

How are they gonna explain the bullet from Deb's gun IN LaGuerta?

post #275 of 313

So many plotholes, even for this show. One, they wouldn't walk Hannah down the aisle like that, letting her friend slip her the drugs. They walk perps in from the holding cell, for the very reason that the show demonstrates. Also, the chances of Hannah slipping away at the hospital are ZERO. I really enjoyed the first few episodes of this season, especially Dexter's amazing monologue at the dinner table, this show will always be a schizophrenic one.

 

also, "Do what you gotta do" is like Spanish Fly for these characters...

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post #277 of 313

So did Hannah try to kill herself and fail, or did she poison herself because she knew she'd end up at a hospital and wake up while the nurse is away, and with a pair of scissors conveniently within reach?

 

Enjoyed the season more than the last couple, but this finale was a shit sandwich.

post #278 of 313
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So did Hannah try to kill herself and fail, or did she poison herself because she knew she'd end up at a hospital and wake up while the nurse is away, and with a pair of scissors conveniently within reach?


She wanted to end up at the hospital, and played possum until an opportunity to escape presented itself.

 

The part that annoyed me was that after escaping, she took the time to drop off a flower at her ex-boyfriend's house. And no one was watching for her to show up there. I enjoyed the finale, but even I can't excuse that one.

post #279 of 313

I'm thinking we see more Hannah next season.  More Aussie lady is good!

post #280 of 313

Urghhhh....

post #281 of 313

Yeah, this thread is awesome!  Who doesn't like hanging out talking about a show you like with people who are going to shit all over it!  Good on you!  You took time out of your busy life to crap on something you don't like and creep out the actual fans!  Glad these boards are working!  

post #282 of 313

When Dexter stops being adorably incompetent I'll stop being mean about it.

 

But considering that this show's main job is to make Sons of Anarchy look competent, I wouldn't expect that to happen at any point.

post #283 of 313
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When Dexter stops being adorably incompetent I'll stop being mean about it.

 

But considering that this show's main job is to make Sons of Anarchy look competent, I wouldn't expect that to happen at any point.

Yes I can't say I don't love watching a show just to goof on it, hell I was raised on MST3K. However there are shows you like on Showtime right? I don't think I could pay extra for a show just to goof on it.

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Yeah, this thread is awesome!  Who doesn't like hanging out talking about a show you like with people who are going to shit all over it!  Good on you!  You took time out of your busy life to crap on something you don't like and creep out the actual fans!  Glad these boards are working!  


 Michael Hall's mom is PISSED

post #285 of 313

I got Showtime this year for Homeland.

 

This was also upsetting.

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Yeah, this thread is awesome!  Who doesn't like hanging out talking about a show you like with people who are going to shit all over it!  Good on you!  You took time out of your busy life to crap on something you don't like and creep out the actual fans!  Glad these boards are working!  

post #287 of 313
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I got Showtime this year for Homeland.

 

This was also upsetting.

Oh.......it's been a rough couple months then.

post #288 of 313
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Yeah, this thread is awesome!  Who doesn't like hanging out talking about a show you like with people who are going to shit all over it!  Good on you!  You took time out of your busy life to crap on something you don't like and creep out the actual fans!  Glad these boards are working!  

 

Heh, I don't actually remember typing this.  Apparently all that Scotch makes me a little bit of a bitch!

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Also:

 


Imho she's been the real protagonist of the show for the last 2 seasons at least, and the TV character I've loved the most in absolute terms (in no small part thanks to one J. Carpenter).

 

I HATE what they had Deb go through in this season and especially in the finale.

I was absolutely heartbroken.

It was too much for this character: they managed to make me fiercely HATE Dexter and turn the real heroine of the show into a gratuitous villain.

Now the future looks only more grim for Deb and I have the feeling that whatever the writers have in store for the series finale, it will leave me - as far as "entertainment" goes - devastated.

Not even sure that I'll be watching...

 

I can only hope they'll find a way to save her soul without killing her off. Chances don't look good though...

post #290 of 313

I also hated what Deb went through this season, but mostly because it's an absolute lie. They made the biggest mistake possible this year, which is having her act in certain ways for narrative convenience rather than from a place that's true to her characters, and they've been doing that ever since they first had her admit that she lusts after her brother. Frankly, at this point they could have her sprout wings and turn into a gargoyle-wizard and I wouldn't be surprised.

post #291 of 313

Dexter's always been fairly terrible in figuring out what to do with certain characters, but it's now reached the point where I'm actually starting to wonder just how chaotic the writing room is over there. There's just some shoddy as shit stuff going down.

 

 

Granted this is the series that looked at "Dexter torn between his new role as single parent and his obsession with killing" and somehow ended with "Older kids are packed off, baby seemingly pops up just to remind viewers he exists."

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I also hated what Deb went through this season, but mostly because it's an absolute lie. They made the biggest mistake possible this year, which is having her act in certain ways for narrative convenience rather than from a place that's true to her characters, and they've been doing that ever since they first had her admit that she lusts after her brother. Frankly, at this point they could have her sprout wings and turn into a gargoyle-wizard and I wouldn't be surprised.

What made it even worse is that the first couple of episodes made it seem that the writers were going to be true to her character. It's almost like they realized they had 10 more eps and another season to go, and abruptly switched for the sake of narrative convenience. Too bad.

post #293 of 313

Alright so I guess im crazy but I don't find any of this stuff way out of character. We act like Deb is all about justice and doing the right thing but we saw Deb let the 2 vigilante killers go (before she knew it was Dexter) and we saw her kill a guy and have no negative feelings about it except that she thinks she should be feeling bad about it. Given those events and the fact that Dexter is her only family left I don't know if the things she has done are all that crazy.

post #294 of 313

It's true it's not COMPLETELY out of the realm of possibility for her character: we know that she's actually more frail than she is strong, has ALWAYS been dependent of her relation with Dexter (one way or another), and in that final moment she's scared, exhausted after everything, desperate... and the trigger just needs to be squeezed in a brief, surreal moment.

Still, it could have easily gone the other way around, she's a REALLY good person after all and that could have given her strength enough to stop.

 

Basically I'm pissed that the writers kept unloading tragedy after tragedy upon her until they've finally managed to put her into a really hopeless corner.

What a waste of the most lovable and fascinating TV character to date (again, imho)

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It's true it's not COMPLETELY out of the realm of possibility for her character: we know that she's actually more frail than she is strong, has ALWAYS been dependent of her relation with Dexter (one way or another), and in that final moment she's scared, exhausted after everything, desperate... and the trigger just needs to be squeezed in a brief, surreal moment.

Still, it could have easily gone the other way around, she's a REALLY good person after all and that could have given her strength enough to stop.

Yes but also remember, and perhaps this is her real sin that she will have to come to terms with, that it wasn't just Dexter she was saving. Laguerta was going to turn her in as well. Now perhaps if Deb had turned on Dexter and confessed everything she could have avoided a prison cell. However her entire career would be ruined, along with the rest of her life. She would be world famous really. Sister/accomplice to the bay harbor butcher. So no career, no brother, and laughing stock/freak of the year. This was self preservation for her too. I find this completely believeable honestly. However for others who wish it had went the other way? Yeah I totally get that and I can tell you Jennifer Carpenter is one of those people, just look at that article I linked to.

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Granted this is the series that looked at "Dexter torn between his new role as single parent and his obsession with killing" and somehow ended with "Older kids are packed off, baby seemingly pops up just to remind viewers he exists."

Yeah that was.......an interesting choice for them to make.

post #297 of 313

I wouldn't mind watching a show all about Bautista running his new business.  But now he's so going to cancel his retirement to find Maria's (is that her name?) killer, and avenge her death.  Damn you Dexter and Deb for ruining my Bautista restaurant TV show fantasy!

post #298 of 313
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Alright so I guess im crazy but I don't find any of this stuff way out of character. We act like Deb is all about justice and doing the right thing but we saw Deb let the 2 vigilante killers go (before she knew it was Dexter) and we saw her kill a guy and have no negative feelings about it except that she thinks she should be feeling bad about it. Given those events and the fact that Dexter is her only family left I don't know if the things she has done are all that crazy.


Agreed. How can it be out of character when she is most like her dad and it's essentially exactly what he did? When confronted with the reality that his loved one was a dangerous sociopath, he chose to protect him while compromising his own morality as a cop. Deb doing the same isn't a writer's convenience; it's what should have been our expected outcome from the first time any of us contemplated her finding out the truth. 

 

For me, it rests mainly on next season. How she deals with that split-second, instinctual reaction to save her brother (and herself), and how Dexter deals with what is likely to be a downward spiral for her, is the emotional center of the series now. We've always known Dexter can't be "saved", but Deb can. Those are genuine stakes, and interesting ones because they can legitimately write it either way. 

post #299 of 313
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Yes but also remember, and perhaps this is her real sin that she will have to come to terms with, that it wasn't just Dexter she was saving. Laguerta was going to turn her in as well. 


Yes that's a factor, but in my view of the character it couldn't have been the deciding factor. The thing that pushed her to cross the line was the idea of having to sacrifice Dexter. Of course LaGuerta prompting her to "put him down" helped in that regard as well (at least the writers envisioned it that way, I'm sure).

 

 

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Agreed. How can it be out of character when she is most like her dad and it's essentially exactly what he did? When confronted with the reality that his loved one was a dangerous sociopath, he chose to protect him while compromising his own morality as a cop. 

 

Yes and no.

Her dad never killed any innocent, as far as I recall.

I still think they exaggerated, this time.

 

 

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We've always known Dexter can't be "saved", but Deb can. 

 

That's a very interesting way to view it, actually. Even with this last kill, the real villain is Dexter who planned for it.

I hope they'll pursue this, and I'm all for Dexter being killed off or whatever as long as Deb can be "saved" somehow.

 

 

You know, I love how TV shows have become engaging and "mature" in the last decade, but I'm really starting to tire of grim and overly depressing finales.

It's like writers feel compelled to do them that way in order to add "artistic gravitas" to them... In this regard, I long for the simpler times and the cheesy shows of old.

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You know, I love how TV shows have become engaging and "mature" in the last decade, but I'm really starting to tire of grim and overly depressing finales.

It's like writers feel compelled to do them that way in order to add "artistic gravitas" to them... In this regard, I long for the simpler times and the cheesy shows of old.

Well im kind of with you there but to be fair you are watching a show about a serial killer.

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