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post #101 of 260

My Science Project (1985 I believe ) - It had the guy who directed Rock Star in it and Fisher Stevens, the overdub was echoing the whole time but it was a fun ride and Dennis Hopper as the teacher who travles in time coming back in the Billy The Kid outfit from his old cult classic Easyriders is classic

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Seriously, 'the hammer of not bickering'?

What's not to like?

 

I got your back. Mystery Men is awesome. But it was never going to be a big hit. It was always more of a cult flick. I mean, any film based (even loosely) on Bob Burden comics...

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USED CARS

 

<Zemeckis' funniest, love the spirit of comic anarchy; it's the classic Bill Murray movie Bill Murray never made; another woulda coulda shoulda Kurt Russell vehicle>

 

Or, as Pauline Kael characterized it, an updated W.C. Fields picture.

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2.)  JARHEAD.. The movie did fairly well(at least it made back it's budget), but it was far away from making $100 million..  Slow yes, but never boring IMO.. an excellent performance from Gyllenhaal, a great director... who knows. 

 

 

I'm not trying to be a dick but I think that Jarhead got as much love as it deserved, perhaps even more than it deserved.  They took a great book and made it toothless for the screen.  It might be one of my biggest disappointments of the last 10 years.

post #105 of 260
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I got your back. Mystery Men is awesome. But it was never going to be a big hit. It was always more of a cult flick. I mean, any film based (even loosely) on Bob Burden comics...

 

I feel that Mystery Men would have been a bigger hit it he came out now, not 12 or so years ago.


Edited by MoonBaseNick - 5/1/12 at 12:34pm
post #106 of 260

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It bombed hard in 1994...but that's because it was released about 15 years too early.

post #107 of 260

 

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I feel that Mystery Men would have been a bigger hit if he came out now, not 12 or so years ago.

 

Mystery Men was before its time, no question. Weird that it managed to scoop Avengers and even X-Men as the first major-studio superhero-team flick. (The "major-studio" qualifier acknowledges the existence of the unreleased '94 Fantastic Four.)

post #108 of 260

Joe vs the Volcano would've been massive had it been released at any point past 1999. The world so wasn't ready for that flick.

post #109 of 260
Hell yes on USED CARS. Hilarious film, and it holds up beautifully.

REAL GENIUS got lost in the shuffle with the inferior WEIRD SCIENCE and MY SCIENCE PROJECT. It's a shame as it's one of the single best comedies of the 80s.
post #110 of 260

I vaguely remember REAL GENIUS not fitting into any category in 1985. It wasn't a John Hughes film & it wasn't explicitly a "teen" comedy. Written by the guy who made Bachelor Party, starring a virtual unknown & a weird looking androgynous kid - no one knew what to make of it at the time.

 

Oh, and not only is it one the best films of the 80s, it's also one of the handsomest & best looking films of the decade. Vilmos Zsigmond really outdid himself on this one.

post #111 of 260

Plus Michelle Meyrink was the first time my young brain realized nerdy girls could be really hot.

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REAL GENIUS got lost in the shuffle with the inferior WEIRD SCIENCE and MY SCIENCE PROJECT. It's a shame as it's one of the single best comedies of the 80s.

 

One of my very few "watch it EVERY time I flip by it while channel surfing" movies and definitely my favorite Val Kilmer role (Top Secret runs a close second).  

post #113 of 260

Comedic Val Kilmer belongs in the "Actors who Should Have Been Bigger Stars" thread. Much more interesting than dour, serious Val Kilmer. Hell, he walks away with Willow even though his character is just another Han Solo knockoff. Call me crazy, but there are some days where I think I actually prefer Kilmer's take on that type of character to Ford's.

post #114 of 260

Is this the point in the conversation where I confess liking Willow? Cuz Madmartigan rules and, unlike Krull, I can sit through it.

 

Like Warwick Davis said in Life's Too Short - Willow was a big movie. It cost over $40m to make...and it's made alot of that back.

post #115 of 260
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Joe vs the Volcano would've been massive had it been released at any point past 1999. The world so wasn't ready for that flick.

 

Watching Joe post-9/11 gives it a whole new context.

 

As for the great overlooked "kids discover something weird" films of the '80s:

 

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Explorers is to Gremlins what The Abyss is to Aliens. Easily as good (possibly better), but more personal and heartfelt and really not the same kind of film at all despite their shared elements on- and off-screen. A confused and needlessly oblique ad campaign didn't help, but the dirt on the coffin lid was the Live Aid concert, which played the same weekend Explorers opened and ensured that nobody in the target audience would be going to the movies.

post #116 of 260

The built CHUD because of this thread, Jake! 

 

I used up all my rep on the first page, because all of my choices were already cooked in.  Great job.

post #117 of 260
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Is this the point in the conversation where I confess liking Willow? Cuz Madmartigan rules and, unlike Krull, I can sit through it.

 

 

I haven't seen it in probably 20 years but I used to love it when I was a kid.  Definitely not the catastrophe that the internet makes it out to be.

 

 

And fuckin' Explorers!  Part of the 80s triumvirate of movies (including Real Genius and WarGames) that made nerddom seem really cool. 

post #118 of 260

Explorers came out against Goonies (here at least) and didn't stand a chance.  I know because that was the one I wanted to see (and everyone else), but my mum's thing was always steering us away from popular stuff, basically for that reason alone.  But those two seemed like a pair; plucky group of kids with far fetched skills and gadgets get into preposterous fantasy adventures.  If they just held it back a bit they might have done ok.

post #119 of 260
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Comedic Val Kilmer belongs in the "Actors who Should Have Been Bigger Stars" thread. Much more interesting than dour, serious Val Kilmer. Hell, he walks away with Willow even though his character is just another Han Solo knockoff. Call me crazy, but there are some days where I think I actually prefer Kilmer's take on that type of character to Ford's.

Speaking of Val Kilmer, Top Secret should have been a bigger hit. I just love the hell out of that movie.

 

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post #120 of 260

Latrine!!!!!

post #121 of 260
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Explorers came out against Goonies (here at least) and didn't stand a chance.  I know because that was the one I wanted to see (and everyone else), but my mum's thing was always steering us away from popular stuff, basically for that reason alone.  But those two seemed like a pair; plucky group of kids with far fetched skills and gadgets get into preposterous fantasy adventures.  If they just held it back a bit they might have done ok.

 

It kills me to this day that the fucking Goonies has a cult following and Explorers doesn't. But I think you've hit on why Explorers remains the harder sell-- it isn't really that kind of movie at all. The skills and gadgets aren't presented as far-fetched, and the adventure has a pointedly mundane conclusion. The film references cartoons and B-movies intelligently, but it doesn't try to be them. And the story really is about a group of outcasts, without blatantly hissable villains or a token sympathetic jock and cheerleader along for the ride.

post #122 of 260
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As for the great overlooked "kids discover something weird" films of the '80s:

 

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Explorers is to Gremlins what The Abyss is to Aliens. Easily as good (possibly better), but more personal and heartfelt and really not the same kind of film at all despite their shared elements on- and off-screen. A confused and needlessly oblique ad campaign didn't help, but the dirt on the coffin lid was the Live Aid concert, which played the same weekend Explorers opened and ensured that nobody in the target audience would be going to the movies.

 

 

Damn right.

post #123 of 260

Chiming in with much love for Real Genius. It was sweet and funny in a way that separated it from other 80's stuff. Also had the hot geek love for Michelle Meyrink. Director Martha Coolidge was also responsible for Valley Girl, another fave from the 80's.

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Rowrrr...

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VERTIGO

 

<Hard to believe this masterpiece was considered a disappointment at the time. Hitch blamed the lukewarm box-office on the older Jimmy Stewart. He bumped him from NORTH BY NORTHWEST, and they never worked together again>

post #126 of 260
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Talk about a flick that never stood a chance. Someone decided it would be a good idea to release Observe and Report only about a month after Paul Blart: Mall Cop, ensuring that the audience most in need of subversion never even showed up.

 

I think that it is a small miracle that this one even got made, not to mention made by a major Hollywood studio.

post #127 of 260
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I think that it is a small miracle that this one even got made, not to mention made by a major Hollywood studio.

 

Yeah it belongs in a "Films That Probably Shouldn't Exist" thread.

post #128 of 260
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It kills me to this day that the fucking Goonies has a cult following and Explorers doesn't. But I think you've hit on why Explorers remains the harder sell-- it isn't really that kind of movie at all. The skills and gadgets aren't presented as far-fetched, and the adventure has a pointedly mundane conclusion. The film references cartoons and B-movies intelligently, but it doesn't try to be them. And the story really is about a group of outcasts, without blatantly hissable villains or a token sympathetic jock and cheerleader along for the ride.

Yeah, it's true.  I watched Goonies some time after and even my knee-high-to-the-proverbial self knew pretty much where it was going to go.  It was a saturday morning cartoon/adventure show writ large and not much more.  I had no idea where Explorers was going to go and the stuff that happens progresses in this logical sort of way, instead of just a lot of stumbling on impossible stuff in your backyard.  Definitely the more cerebral of the two.  Mum called it, I have to admit.

post #129 of 260

I count myself as very lucky I got to see Explorers in the cinemas as a young lad. Thanks dad.

post #130 of 260

I've lost count of all the ones I agree with. I was had at Streets of Fire. A few more that haven't been mentioned:

 

Darkman

Strange Days

Quick Change

Hot Tub Time Machine

Tango & Cash

post #131 of 260

Darkman was an extremely enjoyable mess, almost saved by Larry Drake's anti-charisma. I'm not surprised it wasn't a hit, but I went to see it twice.

Strange Days, on the other hand, blew me away and if there were any justice would have been huge. To me a logical companion piece to Blade Runner and another of my personal faves, Brainstorm.

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Strange Days, on the other hand, blew me away and if there were any justice would have been huge. To me a logical companion piece to Blade Runner and another of my personal faves, Brainstorm.

 

Too rapey and scifi that predicts five minutes into the future is always gonna date too fast.

post #133 of 260

Strange Days.

 

Meh.

post #134 of 260
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Too rapey and scifi that predicts five minutes into the future is always gonna date too fast.

Yeah, pretty rapey, and very unpleasantly imaginative in it's rapey-ness. 

post #135 of 260

Strange Days may be rapey but it's a beautiful vision and beautifully acted by Ralph Fiennes and Angela Bassett.  I think it's brilliant and always watch it when it's on.

 

It's interesting to look at some of the half-formed visions of cyberpunk that came out of the '80s.  I have a soft spot for Johnny Mnemonic even if it's a misfire.  Some of the performances are amazing, and the general look is so '80s specific, though it's supposed to be the Wm. Gibson dystopic future that was better served by later Gibson ripoffs like The Matrix. 

post #136 of 260

For the subject, I vote for the Amanda Bynes vehicle Sydney White and the Seven Dorks.  It was totally ripped off by The House Bunny (which I'm not knocking because I think it's also pretty funny), which was a hit, while I don't even know if Sydney White got a theatrical release. 

post #137 of 260

Shawshank Redemption didn't even make back its budget of 28 million.

 

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post #138 of 260

Maybe I'm crazy but I don't agree with the notion of box office. Most of the films listed have found homes and critical praise or cult status. And some of them listed were flat out terrible and no amount of box office was going to fix them. Yes, I understand it from a standpoint that you wanted a continuation of a particular story (I'll second the shit out of that for Big Trouble in Little China) but box office failures aren't a measuring stick for quality. Mentioning Shawshank above as an example..hell that movie pretty much solidified Morgan Freeman's career (and possibly even turned him into a cliche' in a way), got nominated for Oscars and won some other awards. Darabont hasn't really had any trouble finding work either.

post #139 of 260

But again, box office is the reason we were deprived of a Master and Commander franchise.

post #140 of 260

It's more along the lines of movies that should've found, but inexplicably didn't, a large and welcoming audience when they came out, which is more or less what matters to the studios. This often has as much to do with marketing and bad timing as anything else. Or studio indifference. A lot of times it's, "Why did this movie, which is certainly fun and commercial and everything that theoretically should go over with a mass audience, flop while this movie, which sucks, was huge?"

 

And a good amount of the time it just isn't what the masses want to see at the time. The Thing would've tanked with or without E.T., it's just too bleak and graphic (not for me, of course, but for the fabled "four-quadrant audience"). The Thing has also gained popularity over the years on video, which I imagine is why someone at Universal thought a prequel might make sense. Which it didn't, box-office-wise. The masses weren't into it in '82 and they weren't into it last year either. In fact it tanked worse than the '82 version, which at least grossed a little more than it cost, unlike the prequel which was $22 million in the red. You won't be seeing another Thing movie any time soon, that's for sure.

post #141 of 260

 

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But again, box office is the reason we were deprived of a Master and Commander franchise.

 

Yeah, box office is only really important to an individual movie if it was intended to be continued in some way, otherwise it doesn't say much about quality or even long term popularity. I think it's a bit silly bemoaning stuff like Shawshank and Blade Runner not being commercial hits back in the day because they're massively popular and widely seen movies, and will have ended up making a lot of money anyway. They got their due in the end, so does it really matter?

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Maybe I'm crazy but I don't agree with the notion of box office. Most of the films listed have found homes and critical praise or cult status. And some of them listed were flat out terrible and no amount of box office was going to fix them. Yes, I understand it from a standpoint that you wanted a continuation of a particular story (I'll second the shit out of that for Big Trouble in Little China) but box office failures aren't a measuring stick for quality. Mentioning Shawshank above as an example..hell that movie pretty much solidified Morgan Freeman's career (and possibly even turned him into a cliche' in a way), got nominated for Oscars and won some other awards. Darabont hasn't really had any trouble finding work either.

I agree, and I was going to take my post down. But in the spirit of things I kept it up.  While it did so much for the actors and director AFTER the fact, Shawshank didn't game it's popularity until after its release.

post #143 of 260

I submit Black Dynamite for consideration.

post #144 of 260
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I submit Black Dynamite for consideration.

 

Sucks that it hasn't even really reached cult status yet; hopefully that will change in the next few years.

post #145 of 260

I've never gotten around to watching it because of Michael Jai White's God awful "acting" in TDK. 2 hours of that? No thanks.

post #146 of 260

How the fuck did the closest thing we've gotten to The Princess Bride since 1987 end up barely making half its budget back in the US domestic market?

 

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post #147 of 260

Seriously. Stardust should have been huge.

 

I think it was the lack of a recognizable leading man that killed it.

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Seriously. Stardust should have been huge.

 

I think it was the lack of a recognizable leading man that killed it.


...yet Cary Elwes was hardly a bona find leading man either really.

post #149 of 260
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...yet Cary Elwes was hardly a bona find leading man either really.


Apples & oranges, my friend. Young Cary Elwes was cool, dashing, & had star quality out the yin-yang and you knew it from the first time he appeared on screen.

 

Young Charlie Cox? Not so much (though he's become quite the bad-ass on Boardwalk Empire).

Anyway, it was WOM that got people into the theaters in 1987. Stardust had none of that until it's DVD release (and even then it was pretty muted). Upon it's theatrical release, Stardust had to rely on it's star power to draw people in - and the prospect of watching a movie starring a sub-Orlando Bloom didn't do much to light that fire.
 

I'm generalizing like crazy but this is how I remember it.

post #150 of 260

Also, Princess Bride wasn't sold on the shoulders of its romantic leads. True to Goldman, the draw was giants, wizards and ROUSs. The kissing stuff was always meant to sneak up on you.

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