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post #1 of 26
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This is kinda like the Heaven's Gate to Martha Marcy May Marlene's Manson Family. I don't think it's "as good" as MMMM, but it's pretty great. Brit Marling is absolutely magnetic as the cult leader, which is important, because the entire film rests on her semi-convincing you that she may actually be what she says she is. It's smart and moody and really tense in spots (I think this film has stolen the title of "best mass vomiting scene" from Stand by Me). Oh, and

 

 

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one big commonality with MMMM is an abrupt, ambiguous ending, which I want to talk about. And no, I'm not spoiling exactly what it is. But I want to talk about it once others have seen it.

 

post #2 of 26

Why is this not playing in Portland or Seattle?  Movie industry, I demand answers!

post #3 of 26

This is one of the most unbearably tense movies I've seen in the last couple of years. Really got under my skin, liked it considerably more than MMMM, or Brit Marling's Another Earth. I too am looking forward to others discussing it, Fox Searchlight gave this one a raw deal.

post #4 of 26

Is this the one with the woman who says

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she's from the future?

 

If it is, that line is in the trailer, but I wanted to be safe.  Which reminds me, I saw the trailer before Safe, and I was sold on the movie.  Comparing it to MMMM is just icing on the cake for me.

post #5 of 26

Searchlight was smart to put out the first 10 minutes.  I was taken with how tactile just those few scenes were.  Again, I'm really disappointed it's only playing in NY and LA, apparently.

post #6 of 26
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Is this the one with the woman who says

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she's from the future?

 

If it is, that line is in the trailer, but I wanted to be safe.  Which reminds me, I saw the trailer before Safe, and I was sold on the movie.  Comparing it to MMMM is just icing on the cake for me.

I don't want to reveal much, but I will say that the movie sets up its premise early:

Brit Marling is the leader of a cult, and these two documentarians try to expose her, and they think she's full of shit, as she claims she's from the distant future.

Except that they sort of start to believe her. She has no idea these guys are filming her (or maybe she does) and they're determined to bust her, but Brit Marling is so creepy and believable that even you become uncertain as to whether she's running a con (there's no money involved as far as I can tell) or if she actually is from the distant future.

It's a very quiet, sterile, serious film, and anyone who's had some experiences with super-convinced cult people will recognize something in this.

post #7 of 26

I quite liked this film.  It was a big contrast from all the crazy summer stuff going on (The Raid, Cabin in the Woods, etc.).  It was very quite and introspective.  But it's one of those films with a lot of ambiguity and you walk away with loads of questions.

 

The real power of the film came through in the ending scene.  There was a captivating bit of movie magic where the audience is transfixed with a simple gesture.  I thought it was a really beautiful and elegant way to bring home the point of the movie, and it hit me in a unique way that none of the movies this year has done so far.

post #8 of 26

It's not the distant future, it's 2054.

 

I think I loved this movie and I think I "got" it. The key is Peter's perspective, but there are missing pieces like Abigail and the law enforcement lady (who has a mysterious package with hidden files, maybe a gun, etc and who checks her hotel room for bugs). The movie never really gives us much on these two except to know there's something BIGGER going on. This more than the ending hints at there being something extraordinary about Maggie. Abigail seems prescient, or at least very strange. The black legos, her narcolepsy, her creepy dad with his shots, and that "terrorist" thing.... then there's that the FBI lady (or whatever she says she is).

 

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

post #9 of 26

Yeah, there were some strange bits, making it a somewhat headscratcher. The ending seemingly suggests that Maggie

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is from the future, because that's the only way she could have learned the gesture. But then who says she didn't learn it in preparation? She didn't just ask for one girl, she asked for Abigail. And could have observed her for months just to impress Peter later on. As a successful con artist able to evade the FBI for years, she'd be able to do that.

But as someone else stated, what's in it for her in the long run? They didn't really aim for money.

 

Who's to say the agent really was an official agent. The photo of Maggie seems to prove it, as Maggie apparently self-describingly only walked around in daytime once - when she arrived, but maybe she too is from the future. Maybe she's like a Looper, or like Samuel L Jackson's character in Jumper. It does seem important that Abigail has visions and builds some sort of tower structure in her room.

 

Loved it, especially the forced confession midway. Brit Marling is a blast.

post #10 of 26

I have a couple of things - I think that Maggie came back from the future by entering into the body of the dead girl, the dead girl having just drowned in the bathtub.  The dead girl had priors of arson and armed robbery.   I'm wondering about the agent, too, that perhaps she is not a Justice agent because - why would she shakedown the room she was in before examining her "case"?

Also, WTH was the father of the kid doing with the needle and computer?  It could have been insulin?  Why would they show that if it was just insulin?

post #11 of 26

Also, WTH was the father of the kid doing with the needle and computer?  It could have beeninsulin?  Why would they show that if it was just insulin?

 

Insulin has to be administered in a fatty area of the body (the belly, buttocks, thighs or upper arms). Abigail's father injects her between the toes the way a junkie would shoot up were they trying to hide evidence of their habit. Something is going on with her weird sleeping habits, that hat and the legos. She's sleepy all day but didn't want to sleep. Seems like ADHD symptoms but I don't know of a treatment involving injections, especially injections one's caregiver would try to hide.

post #12 of 26

I thought the Cranberries song was a fantastic red herring. Just when you think you've got Maggie's number, you realize that nothing is certain.

 

I also dig the ambiguity of Peter's sexual trauma -- did it happen, or does he go along with it simply to cover his tracks?

 

Likewise baffled by Abigail's injections, which is one of the things I loved so much about the film: there are no real answers, only tantalizing hints at a much larger picture.

 

My only real disappointment was the lack of follow-through with Lorna's backstory. We were very specifically informed up front as to the motivating factors behind her involvement with the cult, but only Peter's past proved to be in any way truly linked to the plot. Lorna's past drug abuse and Drew Barrymore-esque childhood was never built upon.

post #13 of 26

Excellent film. Had me on the edge of my seat throughout. The 85 minutes flew by; leaving me furious at first, but after another 85 minutes of interpretation, I have come to terms. 

 

I think the only response on the right track, at least for me, was Xion. Obviously, Peter is your protagonist and the theme may be anti-cynic. Maybe a lesson to peter who is so skeptical of ALL cults. He is perhaps jaded from believing anything because of the way he lost his mother and is thus not open to the world and any possibilities. 

 

As far as Abigail, I think she IS Maggie's mother and would become some brilliant leader or contributor to the civil war. The terrorist episode perhaps the outburst of a budding young revolutionary?

As well the, "How do you know my secret handshake" was the climax of the whole movie. This is what lead me to believe that Maggie really did come from the future and the "justice" department was more than aware of the whole situation, and not necessarily being forthcoming. My logic here was the black woman's sweep of the hotel room and impressive kit, all to look at a photograph.?? Clearly overdone for an arson and b&e. 

 

Maybe Klaus was already a part of some underground cell that the police were somewhat cognizant of? And the time travel was intended to better prepare the rebels for the civil war. Hence Maggie needing to track down her mother. 

 

Oh, also I thought the scene where Maggie sings the cranberries song was kind of trying to make you doubt too much. After that scene that she had to be legit.

What did you think? 


Edited by Atman - 11/10/12 at 11:07pm
post #14 of 26

So I just saw this.....apparently the film makers want this to be a trilogy and it certainly feels like it. I loved it right up until the end. I can't decide if I hate the ending or not. I don't mind ambiguity but here it feels off and given what I just read about being planned as a trilogy now I know why. I hope they are able to pull it off because I really dig this world they set up.

post #15 of 26

Just saw this. Britt Marling gets the "Best Supporting Actress" award from my personal stash for this year. Still not sure on what to believe and I think that's the point. What if Abigail was actually Maggies's sister or even her daughter?  She could've taught her the secret handshake when she was very young and she wouldn't have known where it had originated. Also, the FBI lady states that a kid is always part of the con. What is the significance of the movie's title?
 

post #16 of 26

Some more info on a potential trilogy. I guess it works as a type of puzzle film on its own, but the idea of more mythology etc. is exciting to me.

 

You and Brit have talked about the idea of marking this a trilogy, and obviously you've moved on to your next film [The East], but is that something you're still thinking about?
Yeah, to make Sound of My Voice we had to conceive the entire world, and understand it holistically. If you want to show less in a movie, you've got to figure out more. If audiences respond to Sound of My Voice, whether now or it gains a following later, we'd love to continue it as a trilogy, or on TV or whatever it is.

But as a filmmaker who's just establishing himself, you move on to another film with more famous actors and a bigger budget, its it a big commitment to say you're going keep returning to this thing that made your name, without taking like a Spider-Man job, or some big leap?
I wish I thought like that. The Sound of My Voice story just keeps getting better and better I think. The end of the third act would be something people would be talking about.

And you still imagine it as three?
Yeah, or you could put it all in one film. It depends on who wants to finance-- all this stuff comes down to financing. The ball is not in our court.

You guys have very specific ideas of what the movie is about, and you know the real story of Maggie. Some people make ambiguous movies and decide not to know, even for themselves, but what made it so important for you guys to really know the truth?
I don't think it's an ambiguous movie. I think the film has a very clear arc, which is Peter's. Since the indefinite quality that people experience is their own, they themselves start questioning what they believe. A lot of people get a thrill out of that, some people get annoyed, but it certainly isn't a cheat end. It was very important that we knew it. I don't think you can pull off a movie like this without knowing all the back story and forward story.

 

post #17 of 26

I do wish they hired Brit to write one of those Star Wars movies. Would've been interesting.

post #18 of 26

Sorry to say this ultimately did not work for me.  It wasn't so much that there were so many questions left unanswered, it's more that I didn't feel, and in some cases even understand  the stakes.  To use the most glaring example, Maggie wanted Abigail... for what?  If she's a fraud, what is the consequence of Abigail falling into her clutches?  If she's telling the truth, what is the consequence of Abigail being torn away from her?  The cult seemingly had no direction, no goal, so how would I feel they were dangerous?  The members all seemed pretty sad and pathetic, more than anything.  And, if Maggie was indeed offering salvation of some kind, then for whom?  Eight people who look like they were randomly chosen from some community college pottery class?

post #19 of 26

Yeah....I mean the woman tells her about what they plan to do with the child...........off screen.

 

In one way it does feel very unsatisfying but it does conclude the main character's arc. The problem is for all of their talk to really does feel like the first of a trilogy. I just hope some day we see the end.

post #20 of 26
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Yeah....I mean the woman tells her about what they plan to do with the child...........off screen.

 

It's not even about what specifically would happen to the child.  Is she going to be kidnapped, killed, sold into slavery; it almost doesn't matter.  What matters is that we're given enough information so that we feel something.  Whether we're ultimately being deceived by the filmmakers to think one thing, and then another is revealed, or even if we never find out the truth at all.  Give us something to go on.  I feel like this movie just obscured everything in the name of mystery.  I actually was more freaked out at the prospect of her continuing to live with creepy James Urbaniak than whatever would happen if Maggie got ahold of her.

 

ETA- And, btw, I don't rule out the possibility this was a puzzle movie that had answers hidden in clues that I just happened to miss.  If so, bravo movie more clever than me.  Just giving my honest reaction to it.


Edited by Bailey - 3/4/13 at 8:18am
post #21 of 26

Yeah, what was up with the dad injecting the kid between the toes? I feel like I just watched a pilot or something. Sometimes those wrap up an ''arc'', but their end goal is to make you want more.
 

post #22 of 26

I just finished watching this film.

 

Very clever, if a bit too obscure, apparently, for folks watching it.

 

Here's what I believe was going on. . .

 

First of all, Maggie was absolutely not from the future.

 

She was a military/CIA/psyops mind control puppet being used to set up small paramilitary/cult organizations all over the country.  (Such things exist; research "Greenbaum" if you're interested).

 

The methods of cult creation were being followed by the book; sequestering of knowledge, controlled tests of loyalty and various mind games perpetrated on the victims, absolute control over who stays and who goes, punishing questions, and starving victims so as to lower their natural psychological and physical defenses. (A person genuinely interested in elevating people would absolutely NOT use any of these techniques, but would rather encourage the accumulation  of knowledge and personal power and self-determinism).  They were looking to create groups of people who were docile and obedient, then train them for terrorist-like activities which would no-doubt not be carried out without question.  Such people are perfect for later 'use' by secret government initiatives.  The network of cults and controlled people would be at this point (both in the story's history, and out here in reality), widespread and well-funded and highly resourced.

 

The drugged child was almost certainly a product of the same network of cult activity; parents who had been sucked in and who had conceived under direction and who had given up the child to the secret group.  The girl was being programmed to fulfill another such roll, probably much like Maggie had been, possibly an in vitro-fertilized clone or similar.

Maggie had been heavily programmed, personality split for multiple purposes, mind-wiped and then activated for use.  Her handler was the old beardy guy with the John Lennon glasses, and he too was no-doubt being controlled through his handler, though we never see that person.  Such systems are endlessly subdivided in this manner so that the whole network is controlled by only a few individuals at the top.

The FBI investigator was well aware of what she was up against, hence the incredible anxiety and precautions against monitoring.  (If she was searching for bugs and listening devices in a hotel room, then she suspected people in her own organization being in on the Shadow Government side; who else would know where she was going and what room she would be in?)

The point of these cult networks is to place highly controlled Manchurian Candidate types in positions of power peppered throughout all levels of society.  That's the reason such systems exist.

 

The photograph of Maggie at a wedding out in the open gave the viewer proof that her story was not true; she had a life before the bathtub, though she might not know it in her active personality.

The secret handshake was programmed into the child, and would be used as a proof positive to convince the other victims of the authenticity of Maggie's story.

 

Other items of interest: there was a brief flash in the first basement scene of another child slipping into Maggie's room.  We never see that kid again.

 

The air tank was clearly a theatrical ruse, because Maggie was later revealed to be a smoker.  I don't understand that part.  Why reveal that?

 

I didn't understand the purpose behind the blood transfusions.  Perhaps just more theater for the benefit of the victims.

 

Anyway, these were just the ideas which smacked me while I was watching this.  If this is part of a trilogy, then it would be interesting to see what other ideas the film's creative staff have in mind.


Whatever the case, this whole story stunk high of evil.  Very creepy, but also very well informed.  I would prefer it if there had been more open discussion as to the true nature of this story.  This kind of stuff really happens, and people would benefit from having their eyes open.
 

post #23 of 26

Guys I really Hope that someone sees this post.



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Am I the only one noticing the letter M on the brown envelope of the "FBI" Agent?

M! As Maggie? Not Shelly... It's not an S, is an M.

 


I just finished watching this film, I honestly don't know what to think.

I really hope someone gives us some answers tho.

 

Thanks!

post #24 of 26

thank you so much for this post! You have nailed it and helped me put my mind to rest after watching this film. I was not satisfied with settling for an ambigious film. Too many clues to settle on amiguity

post #25 of 26

So all of you joined to talk about this film specifically.......

post #26 of 26

Thought it was weird myself. But I am fond of that avatar.
 

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