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Who should take over the Batman franchise?

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We've come to the end of the Nolan run, of which I'm not particularly fond.  Actually I'm not satisfied with any of the bat flicks.  Burton's take was too quirky, though the first film came close to nailing an ideal tone...Schumacher's take was way too campy.  And Nolan's take was too far in the other direction, too cerebral and cold.  All my opinion of course.

 

We've seen perfectly realized versions of Superman with Richard Donner's amazing first take on the character and Spider-Man with Raimin's beloved 2nd film (I'm not a fan of that character but I wont deny the power of the 2nd film).  But Batman remains elusive...he's a curious comic character because there are so many different ways to run with him.

 

Warners has stated they are already planning to reboot not long after TDKR is released, with Nolan and Emma Thomas producing.  But I'm certain this is merely a vanity credit to appease fanboys, much like Burton's producer credit on Batman Forever...obviously he had zero to do with the style of that film and it will probably ring true for Nolan and the next bat film...he will probably be hands off like he was with Snyder's Superman.

 

So who would be a good fit for the next reboot?  Here are my picks:

 

Darren Aronofsky

People hated his Year One script he wrote with Frank Miller, but Aronofsky has since stated he didn't want to make Batman and that his being attached was a bait and switch to get The Fountain rolling.  If he were to take over the franchise now, he probably wouldn't be okay'd to script it, or at least another writer would be brought in to rewrite him like his current Noah project.  But Black Swan showed he can do gothic darkness amazingly well, and handle the psychological complexities of a character like Bruce Wayne.  And he's amazing with actors.  No matter what he'd give us something to remember, even if it wasn't really a true Batman film, like Burton's 'Returns'.

 

Spike Lee

Not as unusual as you might think.  He showed he can direct intelligent action with Inside Man.  He's adept with complex characters and has a great visual style.  I think he'd be an intriguing choice.

 

David Cronenberg

Another prince of darkness.  He's been attached to alot of high profile genre films over the years that never took off with him on board.  He's never made such a high profile film and I think Batman would be very special under his wing.  Like Nolan, he is very good with complex characters, unlike Nolan is not too cerebral about it, and understands how to balance realism with genre fantasy.  I'd argue he has a very comic book like sensibility as his earlier genre films show.

 

Ridley Scott

He has a hit and miss resume, but I think his visual style is perfectly suited for Batman...hell, Blade Runner could be like a future Gotham.  He would shoot the shit out of a batman film and he's good enough with actors to make a memorable cast of characters.


Edited by Ambler - 5/2/12 at 12:24pm
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Is it too much to ask to get a big-screen live-action Batman film that channels the animated series?  That's all I want.  I don't need reality and darkness and grit and goth.  I need some good old-fashioned Bat-noir ala Dini and company.

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Is it too much to ask to get a big-screen live-action Batman film that channels the animated series?  That's all I want.  I don't need reality and darkness and grit and goth.  I need some good old-fashioned Bat-noir ala Dini and company.

Bingo. Something between Burton and Nolans take, but more like the cartoon. Damn I loved that cartoon.

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I don't like to go with "trendy" picks, but I think Rian Johnson would know how to bring a more whimsical, lighter touch to Batman while keeping sort of a dark edge to please the execs.

 

Also, someone on the boards mentioned Bernard Rose for Thor 2 recently, an idea I love. While Rose isn't fit for EVERY franchise, he'd make a wonderful Batman picture.

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Great thread idea!

 

BRUCE TIMM - the smart choice

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Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol proved one thing: Animation directors - if they're good enough, passionate enough & have a strong vision - can spin gold. Unlike Andrew Stanton & Jimmy Hayward before they'd made the leap, Timm has leagues of experience in the DC wheelhouse.

Joss Whedon is currently proving that fanboy genre writers with relatively limited directorial experience can deliver the goods on a grand scale and Marc Webb has proven that studios are now ready to assign tentpoles to directors with a short resume.

Ideally, I'd like to see Timm do what he did with the Batman: TAS 20 years ago, inaugurate a new standard for the DCU in film. First, by producing & directing the Batman reboot/trilogy and then over seeing the development of other DC tentpoles while drafting many of the stellar writers & directors from the animation dept.

 

WB should go the 300 route & start relatively small by giving, say, animation director Lauren Montgomery $70-$100m to direct a Wonder Woman movie. Release it in March and repeat that schedule annually, re-introducing The Flash, GL, etc every March until a big JLA film in the summer of 2019.

That's how you make billions of dollars.

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I don't much care for Neil Marshall, but as long as he has a co-writer, I would be interested. Also, Vincenzo Natali or Nacho Vigalando.
post #7 of 484

All I ask for: More Bullock & Armie Hammer in the cape.

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Totally with Richard on this. MASK OF THE PHANTASM is the best film to date, and I'd love to see a live action bat film that captures that same sense of FUN. Get Brad Bird...he nailed it with MI:GP
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It's remarkable how good TAS was.  I really took it for granted at the time.  I haven't watched cartoons in years but I would watch the shit out of something like that even today.

I don't know that I would trust Timm to direct a big budget live action film, but I would love to see him creatively involved.

How about Peter Jackson?  I'm not even a fan of what he has done post LOTR but he's got the chops, and would definitely bring a new perspective.

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I also loved the animated series and think that's the best Batman we've gotten.  

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Hasn't this conversation happened every time there's a new film out? Good god. Enough with the Batman cartoon already!

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Have you even seen the cartoon? Dude, it's good.

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Hasn't this conversation happened every time there's a new film out? Good god. Enough with the Batman cartoon already!

 

Funny enough, even though I'd suggested Timm, I don't particularly care for Mask Of The Phantasm or Batman: TAS (aside from a handful of Timm directed eps). Really, it's what Timm & co. achieved with the stellar JLU series that really shows a unique understanding & brilliantly measured take on the DCU. Bring to the big screen what was achieved in animation & WB would be set.

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It's not just a matter of the series being good, it's the one adaptation that I think has gotten the character completely right.  No giant rocket-launching penguins, no Cookie Monster Bat-Voice, just solid characterizations and stories and a innate understanding of what makes Batman and his villains work.

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Totally with Richard on this. MASK OF THE PHANTASM is the best film to date, and I'd love to see a live action bat film that captures that same sense of FUN. Get Brad Bird...he nailed it with MI:GP

TO THIS MAN, YOU LISTEN.

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I love the cartoon, but can we get serious for a moment? This is a show that has at least fifteen to twenty total stinkers. It was made to serve the kiddie audience, and that shows very often.

 

And as far as Dini, the DCU has been diminished returns ever since, still pretty good, but still failing to transcend the art form. Hasn't Dini overseen the DVD movies, which are dedicated to lifelessly photocopying stories and characters from the comics?

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TO THIS MAN, YOU LISTEN.

 

Meh. I'd thought about Bird but I see him glossing over the gothic aspect of Bats too easily. Maybe he'd be good for a big JLA film.

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I still want Bird for Superman 

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Meh. I'd thought about Bird but I see him glossing over the gothic aspect of Bats too easily. Maybe he'd be good for a big JLA film.

 

Nolan's all but done the same thing, really. If anything, Bird could do it, and not let it overwhelm. Thats a pretty vital balance.

 

Basically, what I imagine is Angel, minus vampires.

post #20 of 484
I don't know about "should" but right now my money is on Ben Affleck taking over. I'd be fine with that.
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I'd be very interested in seeing a Kathryn Bigelow Batman film.  

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I love the cartoon, but can we get serious for a moment? This is a show that has at least fifteen to twenty total stinkers.

 

Out of 109 episodes.  That's a better batting average than what we've gotten from the films, if you ask me.  And the great episodes of this show are truly great; episodes like "Heart of Ice" and "Joker's Favor" and "Almost Got 'Im" get more right about the property in 22 minutes than the six feature films have in all their running times.

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I dunno.  Bird always wanted to get The Spirit off the ground as an animated film.  I feel like he would try to honor the gothic aspect of Batman.  Of course, I don't necessarily think he should be the one to take over Batman.  Just pointing it out.

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The more I think about it the more I like the idea of PJ.  Not gonna happen, but I like it.

 

Also would never happen in a million years, and would probably be a disaster, but what about Zemeckis?  Beowulf showed, for me anyway, the guy still has it in him to tell a good story well.

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Zemeckis is....not a bad pick. Not bad at all. I could see the director of What Lies Beneath, Contact, & Beowulf making a killer DC film:

 

Batman? Maybe. Superman? Easily. JLA? We should be so lucky.

 

Though, God forbid that he use Alan Silvestri for a new Batman score. Yuck.

post #26 of 484

Gareth Evans. Not that I want it to become all flying fists and feet, but dude has some serious directorial chops.

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I don't know about "should" but right now my money is on Ben Affleck taking over. I'd be fine with that.

 

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I'd be very interested in seeing a Kathryn Bigelow Batman film.  

 

These are the most plausible, and acceptable, choices I've seen so far.  They aren't going to hand it to anyone who doesn't have some sort of pedigree (and as unfair as it is, Rian Johnson is still probably seen as unproven in a studio's eye), but neither are they going to agree to let what is potentially the biggest property in the world become a Cronenberg or Spike Lee joint. 

 

If you think about it, even with the way superheroes have dominated the industry for the last decade, they still don't throw money at A-list offscreen talent for them.  Nolan, Raimi, Singer, Favreau, now Whedon...none of these guys had proven themselves on anything but modestly budgeted cult films prior to taking on superhero franchises.  And given how successful those guys efforts have been for the studios, I don't think they are going to find it necessary to break the bank to lure Ridley Scott or James Cameron into a multi-picture deal any time soon.

post #28 of 484

Kathryn Bigelow. Near Dark, Blue Steel, Strange Days, & The Hurt Locker?

 

Ladies & gentlemen, we have a winner.

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I don't know about "should" but right now my money is on Ben Affleck taking over. I'd be fine with that.

 

So Batman really will become like "Heat" then.

 

 

I'm fine with it.

post #30 of 484

I like the cartoon, but it's always brought up. It was just one of many variations of the character. Leave it be. Let's try something else. Personally, I'd like a 70s Neal Adams type take on the character, all the high end super serious camp of Nolan, but with colourful costumes and a bouncing energy. 

 

Nolan's films aren't totally for me, but that's fine, I like them well enough. But something new? Yes please. I'd even settle for that weird Year One Aronofsky was putting about a decade ago, or hell, even a Batman Beyond movie. That'd be a laugh.

post #31 of 484

I would love a James Cameron Batman film. Really.

 

Also - maybe let McTiernan out of director jail and give him a swing? Or maybe Norrington? The first BLADE was almost a Batman film.

 

I'd be down with giving McTeigue a shot.

post #32 of 484

Somma this, cheers. 

 

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Yes I forgot to mention Norrington.  His Blade... with the right mix of darkness, camp and humor... was about as close to a proper live action Batman film I've seen (dodgy CGI aside).

post #34 of 484

I'd still like to see Burton and Keaton reunite for a Dark Knight Returns adaptation.

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Leslie H. Martinson.

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I think Nolan has done a brilliant enough job with the franchise that there's no need for a Spiderman-style reboot for years to come...
 

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I think Nolan has done a brilliant enough job with the franchise that there's no need for a Spiderman-style reboot for years to come...
 

 

There's about $50 billion that disagrees with you.  And not to denigrate your opinion, but my money's on the money taking this one.

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The focus and goal of a reboot should be geared towards bringing together the DC universe much like Marvel, not about what style and tone another Batman trilogy should take on.

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The focus and goal of a reboot should be geared towards bringing together the DC universe much like Marvel, not about what style and tone another Batman trilogy should take on.

 

Agreed.  I couldn't imagine Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern existing in the same universe as the past Batman's we've gotten.  That's why I brought up Blade....it had that dark tone, but left enough campy room for other lighter superheroes.

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I don't know about "should" but right now my money is on Ben Affleck taking over. I'd be fine with that.

In my head, Affleck will be busy directing a SHIELD movie starring Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye with Sam Jackson as Fury.

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I don't like to go with "trendy" picks

 

THIS.

 

Know how many in the nerd/geek/fan community had Nolan on their radar for Batman?

 

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EXACTLY.

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Cameron Hughes, I think Marvel should go...Younger with Nick Fury!  Idris Elba would be a good pick.  He was...Heimdal in THOR, and in Ghost Rider 2, but He would make a...MARVELous Nick Fury.

 

As for...Batman get...Clint Eastwood, to direct!

post #43 of 484

Tomas Alfredson - For a dark and moody Batman. Lots of far away shots of The Dark Knight staring out windows.

 

Rupert Wyatt - Proved he can do smart popcorn fair with Rise of Planet of the Apes.

 

Alfonso Cuarón - He's done excellent franchise work for WB in the past and I'd love to see his take on Batman.

 

Joe Wright - Hanna has some of the best staged action scenes in a long time.

 

Nicolas Winding Refn - Let's go all the way and get Ryan Gosling as Batman with Bryan Cranston as Gordon.

 

Takashi Miike - Give him a 250 million dollar budget and let him go crazy.

post #44 of 484

Get someone on board to oversee building the universe, then find a director that fits what you've built. Either way, let Nolan walk, since he's already said he has no interest in combining the franchises. Regardless, I'd put my money on a near-unknown director.

 

However, in a perfect world, we'd have an anthology Batman series. A handful of hour episodes, each one by different genre director, with the only constant being the primary cast. THAT's what I really want.

post #45 of 484

Now Alfonson Cuaron I could definitely get behind. Ditto Neil Marshall (who needs a franchise quick smart anyway).

 

I know he's considered a bit workman-like by some, but I reckon Alex Proyas could do something interesting with the Bat if he was in Crow/Dark City-mode.

 

Are the Wachowskis still with WB? If so, I think they'd be my choice personally.

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Now Alfonson Cuaron I could definitely get behind. Ditto Neil Marshall (who needs a franchise quick smart anyway).

 

I know he's considered a bit workman-like by some, but I reckon Alex Proyas could do something interesting with the Bat if he was in Crow/Dark City-mode.

 

Are the Wachowskis still with WB? If so, I think they'd be my choice personally.

 

I was going to throw out the Wachowkis.  So long as someone else is writing it, I think they could do something great.

Cuaron, as great a filmmaker as he is, I worry would continue down the dark and gritty path we're on.

post #47 of 484

Oh shit, I forgot Alex Proyas! I'd been beating this guy's drum for the Batman director's chair since The Crow.

post #48 of 484

Everyone just assumes that because "Batman and Robin" was so awful, a Batman movie with a lighter tone would automatically suck. I don't believe that. "Batman & Robin" was terrible for many reasons beyond the simple fact that it didn't maintain the dark, serious tone of the first Batman movies.

 

I fully believe that a less 'gritty' Batman movie could totally work. It would be like the transition from "Batman: The Animated Series" to "Batman: The Brave and The Bold". The latter went in a completely opposite direction (for the most part, although it had its fair share of serious content) and worked on its own terms.

 

For that sort of movie, the best director might be someone with a good handle on both action and humour. Not sure who to suggest for that. The first one that comes to mind is Joe Cornish, mostly because I loved "Attack the Block" so much that I'm compelled to recommend him for almost any movie. But especially one requiring someone with a sure hand when it comes to both comedy and action.


Edited by Naisu Baddi - 5/3/12 at 12:03pm
post #49 of 484

Oh, I fully agree that a lighter tone is possible to do successfully. I'd like to see a Batman who actually likes being Batman - or at least openly admits or acts like he enjoys it, and has no intention of ever giving it up.

 

I don't want camp. Something with BATMAN RETURNS design sensibilities but, you know, with a coherent, cohesive story in which the titular character doesn't disappear for half the fucking movie.

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Oh, I fully agree that a lighter tone is possible to do successfully. I'd like to see a Batman who actually likes being Batman - or at least openly admits or acts like he enjoys it, and has no intention of ever giving it up.

 

I don't want camp. Something with BATMAN RETURNS design sensibilities but, you know, with a coherent, cohesive story in which the titular character doesn't disappear for half the fucking movie.

 

Then how about this guy?...

 

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I know Marvel have him, but then Fox had Bryan Singer too remember.

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