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It's not good.

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I Robot was a great concept wasted on Big Willie-isms and bad CGI.

post #103 of 484

Good at best.  I was trying to be nice for the Proyas votes.  I seriously loved the guy in the 90s, but don't trust his work now.


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post #104 of 484

No matter who actually directs the picture, can we please have Jackie Chan or Sammo Hung direct the fights?

post #105 of 484
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It's not good.

I blame Will more than Proyas though. Big Willie tampers.

 

Isn't that right, Botmon?

 

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post #106 of 484

I definitely blame Big Willie and the studio.

post #107 of 484

How about Paul Greengrass? Granted, his take would probably be very much what Nolan is doing.

post #108 of 484

Not seriously endorsing this, but after this weekend I wouldn't be surprised if Warner offered it to Whedon. Or any other property, for that matter. "What's that? You want to do a NextWave movie? Go right ahead! Go make us another $200 million in three days!"

 

I now want a Whedon NextWave movie.

 

(Yes, I know Warner technically couldn't do a NextWave movie.)

post #109 of 484
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Not seriously endorsing this, but after this weekend I wouldn't be surprised if Warner offered it to Whedon. Or any other property, for that matter. "What's that? You want to do a NextWave movie? Go right ahead! Go make us another $200 million in three days!"

 

Whedon had very little to do with Avengers making 200 OW...that was pure Disney/Marvel marketing and the goodwill from the other successful Marvel flicks.  

post #110 of 484
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Whedon had very little to do with Avengers making 200 OW...that was pure Disney/Marvel marketing and the goodwill from the other successful Marvel flicks.  

 

Ambler, I normally agree with a lot of things you say on here, but this I don't.  So many directors have no ability to juggle an ensemble cast and give each their own characterizations, let alone how many superhero movies before have fallen flat before.  Whedon was able to maintain the strengths of each character in a confined amount of time.  

 

I really really think WB needs to consider Timm as DCU live action guru.  He maybe the only person capable to truly whipping the film side of DC into shape and bringing a JLA that everyone would care about. 

 

As far as the Bat franchise and impending reboot, I don't think they should try to mimic the bright glossy avengers.  Batman has worked for nearly 75 years being based on a dark topic, and his branding still going somewhat strong.  Bright Batman got us Schumacher, so I think they use the Nolan Batman as a blueprint and expand on it.  Make it DCU friendly and have super villains and the like.  Killer Croc in the style of the video games.  Bring Ra's back (though the only rendition of him I liked was the animated series) or Mr. Freeze.  I think my favorite to see would be Clayface.  

post #111 of 484
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I Robot was good?

 

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No. Not in this or any other universe.

 

 

I think you meant, "AW HELL NO".

post #112 of 484
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Ambler, I normally agree with a lot of things you say on here, but this I don't.  So many directors have no ability to juggle an ensemble cast and give each their own characterizations, let alone how many superhero movies before have fallen flat before.  Whedon was able to maintain the strengths of each character in a confined amount of time.  

 

OW numbers have little to do with the quality of the film (as dictated by the filmmaker)...a certain amount of people are going to see a movie immediately, regardless of quality.  Those numbers are set by marketing for the most part and past goodwill of previous entries in a particular franchise.  The quality of the film affects later box office, once the word is out about how good or bad it is.

post #113 of 484

I think I found Warner's plans for their Justice League movie!

 

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post #114 of 484
I always knew Aquaman was a "bottom".
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I think that not only could Matthew Vaughn make a kick-ass Batman movie, he's one of the few directors that could make a teenage Robin work on-screen.

post #116 of 484

Indeed. Vaughn - along with Jane Goldman - have a rare gift for knowing exactly how to get at the core of property & manifest the best out of it with style & smarts.

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Indeed. Vaughn - along with Jane Goldman - have a rare gift for knowing exactly how to get at the core of property & manifest the best out of it with style & smarts.

I have this vision of Vaughn's Batman tackling and punching hoods like a fucking truck hit them while this thin but muscular teenager is bouncing around the area taking everyone out while being too fast and small to touch.

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I have this vision of Vaughn's Batman tackling and punching hoods like a fucking truck hit them while this thin but muscular teenager is bouncing around the area taking everyone out while being too fast and small to touch.

 

I... really want to see this movie.

post #119 of 484

A lot of people don't like Robin for some reason though.

 

And it's never a really good reason.

post #120 of 484

Because a hyper, mouthy preteen dressed in swimming trunks & bright solid colors makes it really fucking hard for a dark creature of the night to strike terror into the hearts of criminals from the shadows,

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A lot of people don't like Robin for some reason though.

 

And it's never a really good reason.

 

It's cuz he's not a oversexualized teenage girl.  Duh!

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Because a hyper, mouthy preteen dressed in swimming trunks & bright solid colors makes it really fucking hard for a dark creature of the night to strike terror into the hearts of criminals from the shadows,

 

Kinda like wrestling heels that gay it up and make it impossible for wrestling fans not to see how outragously camp the thing they love is - and they hate them for it.

 

Not that there's anything wrong with that mind, but Robin really does make it hard for the dark and gritty geeks not to see that their guy is essentially running around in black kevlar pajamas with pointy ears and a cape.

post #123 of 484

I just love that in Batman's universe hardened criminals are still scared of Batman, like at all.

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I just love that in Batman's universe hardened criminals are still scared of Batman, like at all.

 

Those pajamas are scary!

 

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post #125 of 484

In the end, the fact remains that Batman partnering up with Robin is like Black Sabbath partnering up with Justin Bieber.

 

Just because Robin's been around for 60 years doesn't make it right.

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In the end, the fact remains that Batman partnering up with Robin is like Black Sabbath partnering up with Justin Bieber.

 

Just because Robin's been around for 60 years doesn't make it right.

 

But... it's the future!

 

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post #127 of 484
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In the end, the fact remains that Batman partnering up with Robin is like Black Sabbath partnering up with Justin Bieber.

 

Just because Robin's been around for 60 years doesn't make it right.

 

I do believe we've found a geek sore spot in our beloved Art people.

 

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In the end, the fact remains that Batman partnering up with Robin is like Black Sabbath partnering up with Justin Bieber.

 

Just because Robin's been around for 60 years doesn't make it right.


Robin can be cool. Tim Drake figured out Batman's ID from watching TV and other observation, plus his red and yellow costume from newer comics and Batman:TAS is pretty cool.  It's been a very long time since Robin has run around Gotham in a speedo with pointy elf shoes.

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But... it's the future!

 

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post #130 of 484

Given how thoroughly Batman's character is defined by parental issues and obsession with fighting crime, there is a huge amount of potential in putting him in a paternal role over a younger crime fighter with a nearly identical backstory.  Obviously, you make the kid too young and it just gets absurd and insane on a whole new level from Batman's regular psychoses.

 

But overall, I don't think there is a single character in comics history whose potential has been so thoroughly hamstrung by a terrible costume as Robin.

post #131 of 484

I owe you people alot of rep. I'm out.

post #132 of 484

The natural conclusions to Batman's arc as a character are either total self-annihilation (which looks like Nolan's approach, though I hope I'm surprised) or him forming a surrogate family, and that begins with Robin. Logistically, the superficial aspects of the character are a little wonky, but it makes sense from the perspective of Batman wanting to be a human being again, wanting to have a legacy beyond "masked hero."

 

Also, please, no more Timm talk. You guys ask for Timm, you're not getting Timm circa '96, you're getting the Timm that helped oversee the recent xeroxed-from-the-comics direct-to-DVD movies, very few of which are any good.

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The natural conclusions to Batman's arc as a character are either total self-annihilation (which looks like Nolan's approach, though I hope I'm surprised) or him forming a surrogate family, and that begins with Robin. Logistically, the superficial aspects of the character are a little wonky, but it makes sense from the perspective of Batman wanting to be a human being again, wanting to have a legacy beyond "masked hero."

 

Also, please, no more Timm talk. You guys ask for Timm, you're not getting Timm circa '96, you're getting the Timm that helped oversee the recent xeroxed-from-the-comics direct-to-DVD movies, very few of which are any good.

 

Yeah but how much actual creative control did Timms have over them?

post #134 of 484

I don't want a movie that's anything like Nolan's, or Burton's, or Bruce Timm's stuff.

 

I'd like the film to actually work as an action-adventure movie though, which considering the character's pulp roots shouldn't be so goddamn hard.

post #135 of 484
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A lot of people don't like Robin for some reason though.

 

And it's never a really good reason.


Because the most popular version of Robin is Burt Ward, and Robin hasn't looked like that in decades.

post #136 of 484
I'm not sure who should take over, but please get it the fuck away from Nolan's version. Both times his films disappeared up their own ass early on. I respect them as good films, I love Nolan's non Batman work. But it's tiresome.

Go back to the style of the 1989 film. Pulp noir, pseudo gothic visuals. I'll echo Guillermo Del Toro, with John Hyams directing second unit, because he can direct dudes in bulky suits belting the shit out of each other.
post #137 of 484

When does the ouroboros of "89 Batman Rocks," "Nolan Batman is awful," "89 Batman Sucks" result in a singularity that destroys us all?

 

I've been out of the loop for a while too, did Nolan Batman spoil faster then raw milk?

post #138 of 484

I don't think I care for either version all that much.

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I've been out of the loop for a while too, did Nolan Batman spoil faster then raw milk?

"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

post #140 of 484
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I've been out of the loop for a while too, did Nolan Batman spoil faster then raw milk?

I don't think it has. People who don't love Nolan's Batman to the point where they autoerotically asphyxiate themselves while watching it still become social pariahs.

When I say the style of the 1989 film, I don't mean the style of Tim Burton, I mean the pulpy film noir aspect of it. Something that's not a gothic or neon nightmare, nor something overbearingly pretentious.
post #141 of 484
I vote for Duncan Jones. He's good at outsider protagonists and I'm sure he could create a moody Gotham.

Also, I'd be up for a Batman Beyond movie, something a bit different and more futuristic than what we've seen so far. I want to see Batman's costume also serving as a flying wing suit, not so that Bats can actually fly, but so he can glide between buildings and swoop down on unsuspecting criminals. I mean, he's a bat, right? I always dug the gliding Batman in Burton's first movie.
And add more detective work.
post #142 of 484
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When does the ouroboros of "89 Batman Rocks," "Nolan Batman is awful," "89 Batman Sucks" result in a singularity that destroys us all?

 

I've been out of the loop for a while too, did Nolan Batman spoil faster then raw milk?

 

No, it's the internet. People are fickle. By the time Avengers 3 comes out people will be talking about how they miss Nolan's realistic approach to comic books. 

 

For the record, I love both Burton's and Nolan's Batman. And I'm up for a different future interpretation as well. Batman might be the most flexible superhero to change with any given decade.

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When does the ouroboros of "89 Batman Rocks," "Nolan Batman is awful," "89 Batman Sucks" result in a singularity that destroys us all?

 

I've been out of the loop for a while too, did Nolan Batman spoil faster then raw milk?

 

There's this mythical land called "reality" I've heard stories about, and in that world people still actually really like the Nolan Batman movies, so much so that there's talk of this new one being quite the hit! It's liable to make a tidy profit, my sources say!

 

Also in this reality, people still like the old Tim Burton one as well. Somehow they reconcile this with themselves. Don't ask me how. We on the internet know that this is an impossibilty and should in fact be grounds for a death match.

 

Now I'm hearing reports that in this fantasy world, many of these same people have seen THE AVENGERS, love it, and are also anticipating seeing THE DARK KNIGHT RISES in a few months and loving it as well!!! WTF??????

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In the end, the fact remains that Batman partnering up with Robin is like Black Sabbath partnering up with Justin Bieber.

 

Just because Robin's been around for 60 years doesn't make it right.

 

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So you're implying that there's something wrong?

 

By the by, I love how many people think that the writers and artists of yesteryear didn't know what was being implied. You read old issues of Superman, Batman, and especially Wonder Woman, and it's so obvious that many of these guys knew exactly what was up and exactly how to exploit it for their own amusement.

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By the by, I love how many people think that the writers and artists of yesteryear didn't know what was being implied. 

 

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No wonder bigotry, sexism, & social Injustice have been so pervasive over the generations. Most people born prior to 1940 were crazy.

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Superman might have super strength but even he can't handle a... FAT LOIS!

 

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