Who should take over the Batman franchise? - Page 7

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Originally Posted by dude hallenbeck 

The more I think about it the more I'm set on Neil Marshall. He'll blend a hodge podge of styles, early 80's John Carpenter grimy urban warfare, a bit of goth, a bit of noir, a bit of pulp. Blade Runner + Escape from New York + Raiders of the Lost Ark = Neil Marshall's Batman.
And we'll get Liam Cunningham as Alfred.

"Yer fackin' with me with this costume nonsense?"

Neil Marshall would be perfect to adapt Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns. Of course, I'd cheat, maim, and kill until Michael Keaton is cast as old Batman.

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Originally Posted by MichaelM 
A female joker is an intriguing prospect.

But I suggested Tilda Swinton...

See what I did there?

not trying to throw the thread off course too much but could you suggest some Liam Cunningham flicks for me to check out? Game of Thrones is all I think I've seen him in and he's all kinds of awesome.

edit: I knew I'd seen him in Centurion, god damn I love that movie

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Originally Posted by TheCatfishCommander 

not trying to throw the thread off course too much but could you suggest some Liam Cunningham flicks for me to check out? Game of Thrones is all I think I've seen him in and he's all kinds of awesome.

 

 

edit: I knew I'd seen him in Centurion, god damn I love that movie

Dog Soldiers

Hunger

Harry Brown

The Escapist

The Wind That Shakes The Barley

The Guard

Thanks! Dog Soldiers has been on my list for a minute now. I didn't realize he was in Hunger I will have to rewatch that.

Liam Cunningham was also the father in "A Little Princess". ;)

And speaking of that little Alfonso Cuaron directed gem, has he been mentioned?  

If they preserve anyone from the DCAU, it should be composer Christopher Drake. His scores have just been killing it in each DVD they release.

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Originally Posted by Gabe T 

If they preserve anyone from the DCAU, it should be composer Christopher Drake. His scores have just been killing it in each DVD they release.

Fuck it, I just want a Question movie where he puts Mulder's paranoia and conspiracy theories to shame. Played by Jeffrey Combs, of course.

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Originally Posted by Cameron Hughes 

Fuck it, I just want a Question movie where he puts Mulder's paranoia and conspiracy theories to shame. Played by Jeffrey Combs, of course.

Combine the Jeff Combs from the Frighteners with the Question and just a touch of Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory.  I would love it.

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

I usually roll my eyes when people suggest casting people who played an animated role for the same role in live action. People who have suggested that Mark Hamill should play The Joker in live action only need to watch him in "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" to see how awful that would be (and I adore him as the animated Joker).

I wholeheartedly approve of this Combs suggestion, though. Unlike Hamill, he could still do the role no matter how old he gets without looking lame. It wouldn't matter because he'd be wearing a Rorshach/Breathless from "Dick Tracy"-like blank mask.

I thought he was by far the highlight of "Justice League Unlimited". He was as born to play that role as Hamill was born to play the animated Joker. One of the best casting decisions Andrea Romano ever made (and she's made a ton of them).

For those of you that haven't witnessed the glory that is Combs as The Question, here ya go.

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Originally Posted by Naisu Baddi 

I usually roll my eyes when people suggest casting people who played an animated role for the same role in live action.

You must not be familiar with Robert Costanzo's work,

Was it Aronofsky's script that had Bruce as an auto mechanic, with Alfred renamed as Big Black Al and the Batmobile as a suped-up Olds? And the suit was basically a SWAT uniform? I want to see DCA tackle that one.

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Originally Posted by TheCatfishCommander 

Was it Aronofsky's script that had Bruce as an auto mechanic, with Alfred renamed as Big Black Al and the Batmobile as a suped-up Olds? And the suit was basically a SWAT uniform? I want to see DCA tackle that one.

Prit sure that was Aronofsky's, yes.

Yeah, I thought I've seen that before. Is that just fan art or an actual comic cover? I'd like to DCAnimated do a spin on it

Thought I would bump up this thread since TDKR just came out.

As far as a movie universe goes, I don't think we can ever go back to the Burton or Schumacher visions of Gotham but it should be a little more heightened than the Nolan Trilogy if for no other reason than for it to be its own thing.

My fanboy dream would be a Batman franchise that takes place  20-30 years after TDKR and roughly follows the Dark Knight Returns comic books series.  That way you can introduce more comic bookey elements in there and recast the roles if need be.   As for who can play older Bruce Wayne/Batman?   Keifer Sutherland.   If nothing else, he'll have a badass Batman voice.

Out of all the suggestions on here, I think I like Duncan Jones the most for a new Bat franchise.   His movies so far are smart, stylish, gets great performances out of his stars and he has a light touch that I think will work well with the Batman Universe.    I have no idea who can play Wayne/Batman but the bad guy should be someone we haven't seen before in the movies (exactly like what Batman Begins did with Ras Al Goul) or at least hasn't been seen for a while.   The Riddler would be a good choice or maybe The Penguin.

I would be happy to never see another Batman movie after Nolan. Because nothing that comes after can be as good as what he created.

I would be happy to never see another Larry David produced TV show after Seinfeld. Because nothing that comes after can be as good as what he created.

He's too old, but a slightly younger, bulked up Jon Hamm would be perfect for the role.  For all the talk about him making a good Superman, I think he'd be a better fit as the Dark Knight.

Give me Batman Beyond, with Bruce Willis as broken old Batman!

I really think that Batman Beyond is the only place you can go after this trilogy. It would be a great sci fi touch and I sure as hell don't need another origin story for awhile.

Whoever takes over the next iteration of the Batmovie franchise, I'd kind of like to see them go all out with the Bat family stuff, basically making a series of awesome Kung Fu movies. The Saga of Batman's Ninja Clan. Do it. That set up also explores different elements of the character than the loner Dark Knight stuff.

I think we all want a little more Batmite in our diet.
 

I'd actually like to see them try something pretty far out there as a deliberate, overt, one-shot movie to help clear the deck a little. Batman Beyond could work as that, but it would probably be seen (accurately) as testing the water for a new franchise. I'd almost like to see something nutty like Gotham by Gaslight or Speeding Bullets just as a form of cinematic sorbet.

My suspicion is that we'll get a reboot by way of JLA.

In any case, my only absolute requirement is that Jon Peters not be allowed anywhere near it, at all, in any form.

I'm really hoping we never get a Justice League movie. We already have the Avengers. I don't need all my franchises to turn into the same thing. Superhero movies are already wearing thin, and we already have a gigantic cross franchise super hero team up series. Batman should stay it's own thing, not end up crippled with plot machinations designed only to pimp a team up tent pole.

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Originally Posted by Ben Grimm 

I'd actually like to see them try something pretty far out there as a deliberate, overt, one-shot movie to help clear the deck a little. Batman Beyond could work as that, but it would probably be seen (accurately) as testing the water for a new franchise. I'd almost like to see something nutty like Gotham by Gaslight or Speeding Bullets just as a form of cinematic sorbet.

 

My suspicion is that we'll get a reboot by way of JLA.

 

In any case, my only absolute requirement is that Jon Peters not be allowed anywhere near it, at all, in any form.

Ever since I read Speeding Bullets a few months ago I thought it would make a good film, or heck, Gotham by Gaslight would make a great film too (though I've not read it yet).

Im gonna go ahead and nominate Nicolas Winding Refn as director.

I'm going to instead suggest everybody devote time and money to The Question movie that's in my head.

The perfect director for the Batman movie in my head would be Rian Johnson. He can do fun, action, dialogue, atmosphere, and character all pretty much perfectly.

I like Lauren's idea better, though.

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Originally Posted by LaurenOrtega 

I'm going to instead suggest everybody devote time and money to The Question movie that's in my head.

Make it set in the Batman Universe, chronicling Renee Montoya's journey from detective to vigilante with a dying Vic Sage as her mentor, add Crispus Allen, Harvey Bullock and Kate Kane as a supporting character and im game.

Just make it like her tale in Gotham Central and the "52" miniseries, minus the magical/fantasy elements, and im in.

DJ Dylan, The only idea from Batman Begins that I would have...Loved to  see developed more,  was that Ra's Al Ghul led a group of...Ninja Assassins!  It would have been cooler to see the League Of Shadows unleash squads of...Ninja for Batman to fight instead of common criminals.

I think I said this before.  I would love to see the next iteration (sans origin because we don't need it) use Zsasz and Clayface.  Draw the focus on batman trying to figure out where Zsasz is going by using forensic evidence and actual detective work to prevent zsasz from killing one at a time, while watching clayface go after something that would make him infamous all while Batman is too busy to deal with him.  This would prevent the last minute villain and let us see little known but very effective villains at the center.  

I also am still going with Neill Blomkamp  as my choice, though I am fully behind Refn (don't think it's his type of film though) and Johnson(I think the end would be too similar to Nolan, who I liked them all, but if we are talking change, let's do it).

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I also am still going with Neill Blomkamp  as my choice, though I am fully behind Refn (don't think it's his type of film though) and Johnson(I think the end would be too similar to Nolan, who I liked them all, but if we are talking change, let's do it).

I think an adaptation of "No man's land" would be right up Blomkamp's alley; a post quake/quarantine Gotham turned into a mixture of a shanty town and a police state, with Batman returning after an absence for preparations disrupting the city's new status quo, as Batman and Gordon fight to reinstate law and order to the city; you could add realism by having foreign mafias and cartels flock to a lawless Gotham, and put a couple fitting villians like Penguin (arkham city version), Black Mask and more vying for control of the city.

I love the idea, but don't think it could be done in 1 movie.  The other problem is many would complain it would be too close a followup to the TDKR. From the second they announced the concept of NML, I always thought of it as Escape from New York/Warriors/Batman.  Plus, would they really attempt to pull off the villain at the end (though the Sarah Essen part would be painfully legendary).

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Originally Posted by jahosive 

I love the idea, but don't think it could be done in 1 movie.  The other problem is many would complain it would be too close a followup to the TDKR. From the second they announced the concept of NML, I always thought of it as Escape from New York/Warriors/Batman.  Plus, would they really attempt to pull off the villain at the end (though the Sarah Essen part would be painfully legendary).

Well, it could work by making it a 2 part movie, mixing Contagion and No man's land; have Gotham City be the target of a bio-terrorism attack (you could use a number of villians for this, including a reimagined Poison Ivy) and be locked down in Quarantine by the federal goverment, who blows up the bridges to contain the disease, isolating Gotham; final act of the movie could have the earthquake hit and leave Batman away from Gotham, with Gordon and the GCPD the lone force of justice and safety in the city, as the goverment is forced (or perhaps...influenced) into declaring Gotham a no man's land.

Then have a sequel following Batman returning 6 months later, prepared and with allies to retake the city and trying to regain Gordon and the GCPD's trust, while facing the threat of local gang wars and the master plans of Black Mask (adding from the Wargames event); you could use a broken, desperate for revenge Black Mask for the Sarah Essen part.

How about the first be a setup/family origin movie mixed with cataclysm.  Showing how the "heroes" would act in a semi real tragedy scenario.  Then do a 2 parter starting like the comics did, Batman missing, Huntress marking territory, and all the gangs already formed (and major players).   I like bringing wargames in, but that could be a film on its own merit (and where I thought they were going after TDK).  

How about we just get the KGBeast story line from Batman 417 - 420 (Ten night of the Beast)?   Always one of my faves.  Might not convert well after the cold war though.  Oh well...

Also, why does every 10th post regarding what they can do revolve around Dark Knight Returns.  It was great, but it was basically elseworlds and would limit the studios decisions going forward (Dark Knight Strikes Back struck out). Plus it isn't very marketable to sell the old guy in the costume.  

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Originally Posted by jahosive 

How about we just get the KGBeast story line from Batman 417 - 420 (Ten night of the Beast)?   Always one of my faves.  Might not convert well after the cold war though.  Oh well...

Its one of my faves too, but the Cold War angle would be hard to cut; it would be a great DC Animated film , which could keep the Cold War setting.

Another one that i like for no particular reason is Last Arkham...I rather enjoyed that one, specially the idea of Batman being locked up in Arkham as an inmate.

Maybe get someone to show a hell prison and do Venom?  Or Gothic.  A lot of the earlier runs of Legends of the Dark Knight are perfect for film.  Like minis all in an ongoing basis, but generally focusing on the bigger villains.  How about Bruce Wayne Murderer?  Once again, it give the studio their selling point (one of the few romances tackled in the comics, and with the female agent (chase I thought her name was), the studios could jump over that.  If it had more Batman I would love the Killing Joke too.   Or show how evil the Joker really is and do death in the family.  That's one I would love to see.  In fact, I could only dream the reboot starts with a Robin, and we wind up with death in the Family as a sequel.  If DC goes JLA, we could even get the Superman cameo.  That would be my dream sequel.

I think any future director should steer clear of Nolanisms.  I don't want direct adaptations of comic stories anyway.  I appreciated how Nolan took the best from a wide range of series and distilled them into what would work for film.

Anything too esoteric wouldn't make it, and some of the stories require substantial investment before you can get to the payoffs.  You should stick to the one-offs for simple movie concepts.  People don't want to stray too far into the crevices of Batman stories.  That said, a Gotham by Gaslight would be fine by me.

I'd lighten the mood a little bit and try for something a bit more superhero-y.  Just don't do Nolan-lite.  What would be the point?

If Rian Johnson were to continue this specific series with JGL, I'd be down with that.  Him or Nolan aside, though...just do a reboot.

And for a reboot, I'd like Michael Mann.  Why the eff not?

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Originally Posted by jahosive 

Also, why does every 10th post regarding what they can do revolve around Dark Knight Returns.  It was great, but it was basically elseworlds and would limit the studios decisions going forward (Dark Knight Strikes Back struck out). Plus it isn't very marketable to sell the old guy in the costume.  

Nolan's also strip-mined Dark Knight Returns to the point where it would look like a mash-up of the Nolan films to people unfamiliar with the source.