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post #1 of 20
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Mostly starting this thread so people can keep me apprised on what's going on with this Amendment One idiocy. Anyone here from NC or have any special insight?

post #2 of 20

Everything seems to be going just swimmingly:

 

 

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All, we're getting reports here in Chapel Hill, Carrboro and Raleigh (which are base areas for us, e.g. anti-Amendment 1) of precincts handing out INCORRECT ballots. In North Carolina, 17-year-olds can vote in the statewide primary (e.g., for governor, etc.) if they turn 18 by November 6th. However, they CANNOT vote on Amendment 1 in this primary -- they can only vote for candidates -- therefore they are being handed ballots WITHOUT Amendment 1. That is proper election procedure.
 
The problem is, the reports we are getting are that people OVER 17 are also being handed these ballots WITHOUT Amendment 1 in what would normally be heavily anti-Amendment 1 precincts (Carrboro, Chapel Hill, Raleigh). We are working on testimonials from voters who have experienced this -- in the meantime, if you report on Amendment 1, PLEASE ask readers to call 1-866-OUR-VOTE if they experience this in NC, or know someone who did. That will enable the campaign's field team to investigate and correct this as soon as possible.

 

Nope, nothing to worry about at all.

post #3 of 20

I hadn't heard anything about this, just did some google-fu...

 

Amedment One likely to pass because no on understands it

 

So, outlawing gay marriage isn't enough, we have to take away civil unions, too? I'm hoping this is an overreach that turns people off to the whole thing, like the union debacle in Wisconsin or the (edited: I meant fertilized egg or whatever, not fetus) as person nonsense in Mississippi.

 

Thanks for the post though, I want to keep an eye on this... 

post #4 of 20

Not just civil unions, but ANY legal domestic union that isn't marriage.  So if you're straight and don't want to get married in North Carolina, that's just too damn bad.

post #5 of 20

I really need to get to work on my Countdown to Second Civil War website.  

post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post

Not just civil unions, but ANY legal domestic union that isn't marriage.  So if you're straight and don't want to get married in North Carolina, that's just too damn bad.

 

Cutting off the head to spite the face, eh? 

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I really need to get to work on my Countdown to Second Civil War website.  

 

good idea but if can get my idea in implemented, we won't have to worry about a 2nd civil war.

 

My idea is to push for increased funding to NASA so that we can develop a rocket to head toward Apophis ....not to stop it but to hopefully speed it up and increase it's accuracy.

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post #9 of 20

well, ignorance reigns in the land.....again.

 

 

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North Carolina voters ban gay marriage, civil unions

 

North Carolinians voted to change the state constitution Tuesday to say that the only valid "domestic legal partnership" in the state is marriage between a man and a woman, according to the AP's projection. The amendment passed 61 to 39 percent with most counties reporting, making North Carolina the 29th state with a gay marriage ban in its constitution.

 

The state already outlawed gay marriage, but the constitutional amendment makes it more difficult for politicians to ever change the law. The amendment also means that a handful of North Carolina municipalities that extended benefits to the domestic partners of their employees will no longer be able to do so, since marriage is now the only valid legal partnership in the state. Former President Bill Clinton urged the state's voters not to support the amendment in robocalls, while President Barack Obama's office said he was also against the change.

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post #10 of 20

It's nice to see that homophobia has united the African Americans and rednecks of North Carolina.  One big happy family of bigots.

post #11 of 20

I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit...

 

...only way to be sure.

post #12 of 20

It's funny, but I always thought constitutions were supposed to be about giving rights to people, not taking them away.

post #13 of 20

Maybe that's why they call themselves strict constitutionalists.

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Originally Posted by Ben W View Post

It's nice to see that homophobia has united the African Americans and rednecks of North Carolina.  One big happy family of bigots.

 

On the other hand, thankfully there are some exceptions.....

 

Black clergy fight Amendment One

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Very few news readers or reporters are mentioning the fact that gay marriage was already banned in North Carolina and the fact that this amendment just further erodes rights for civil unions both gay and straight.  Even NPR gleefully went along with the narrative. 
 

post #16 of 20

I read this bit from Dan Savage this last week. As part of his speech, he was discussed the use of the bible by some as justification for (anti-gay) bullying.

It would seem that his comments regarding using the bible as an excuse for ignorance, violence and repression is a good deal more encompassing...especially, with regards to this rightwing push to not allow gay marriage.

 

Dan Savage discusses bible at High School Journalism convention

 

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The Bible. We'll just talk about the Bible for a second. People often point out that they can't help it -- they can't help with the anti-gay bullying, because it says right there in Leviticus, it says right there in Timothy, it says right there in Romans, that being gay is wrong.

 

We can learn to ignore the bulls**t in the Bible about gay people. The same way, the same way we have learned to ignore the bulls**t in the Bible about shellfish, about slavery, about dinner, about farming, about menstruation, about virginity, about masturbation. We ignore bulls**t in the Bible about all sorts of things. The Bible is a radically pro-slavery document. Slave owners waved Bibles over their heads during the Civil War and justified it. The shortest book in the New Testament is a letter from Paul to a Christian slave owner about owning his Christian slave. And Paul doesn't say "Christians don't own people." Paul talks about how Christians own people. 

 

We ignore what the Bible says about slavery, because the Bible got slavery wrong. Tim -- uh, Sam Harris, in A Letter To A Christian Nation, points out that the Bible got the easiest moral question that humanity has ever faced wrong. Slavery. What're the odds that the Bible got something as complicated as human sexuality wrong? One hundred percent. 

 

The Bible says that if your daughter's not a virgin on her wedding night -- if a woman isn't a virgin on her wedding night, she shall be dragged to her father's doorstep and stoned to death. Callista Gingrich lives. And there is no effort to amend state constitutions to make it legal to stone women to death on their wedding night if they're not virgins. At least not yet. We don't know where the GOP is going these days.

 

People are dying because people can't clear this one last hurdle. They can't get past this one last thing in the Bible about homosexuality. 

Um, one other thing I wanna talk about is -- [chuckles] -- so, you can tell the Bible guys in the hall that they can come back now, because I'm done beating up the Bible. It's funny, as someone who's on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible, how pansy-assed some people react when you push back. 

 

I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings. But. I have a right to defend myself. And to point out the hypocrisy of people who justify anti-gay bigotry by pointing to the Bible, and insisting we must live by the code of Leviticus on this one issue and no other. 

 

post #17 of 20

Made the mistake of visiting a facebook page for these bigots.  I just can't get over the hypocrisy. 

 

I'm litteraly sick at the response I hear, the gloating these hateful people are posting. 

 

If they really want to "protect" marriage, why not talk about the 50% divorce rate.  But hey, maybe that's their plan, eliminate those who actually "love" each other and leave marriage to those who don't even care about it. 

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post #19 of 20
As if the state of North Carolina's marriage debacle wasn't argument enough for the existence of a strong federal government:

North Carolina considers outlawing accurate predictions of sea level rise
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Faced with predictions that sea levels in the coastal areas of North Carolina will rise by a meter in the next century, legislators are considering bold action: making those predictions illegal. A bill being circulated in the Tarheel state would force scientists to estimate future sea levels on a linear path based on trends since 1900 — in other words, based on the simple assumption that trends always move in a straight line, no matter what.
post #20 of 20
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As if the state of North Carolina's marriage debacle wasn't argument enough for the existence of a strong federal government:
North Carolina considers outlawing accurate predictions of sea level rise
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Faced with predictions that sea levels in the coastal areas of North Carolina will rise by a meter in the next century, legislators are considering bold action: making those predictions illegal. A bill being circulated in the Tarheel state would force scientists to estimate future sea levels on a linear path based on trends since 1900 — in other words, based on the simple assumption that trends always move in a straight line, no matter what.

 

Is it possible to nominate entire states for the Darwin Awards...Pre-Mortem?

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