Marvel Cinematic Universe Rumors (POTENTIAL SPOILERS)

I have nothing to say except that if Milo Ventimigilia is any where near Dr. Strange I will burn this mother down.

I'd be down with that storyline for Thor 2, but yeah, no Milo.

DaltonWilcox, Avengers 2 for...Christmas 2015, would be a...MARVELous gift to fans of...The House Of Ideas!  It would also be interesting for The Punisher to be thought of as a Villain by Cap.  The Punisher even worked for Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. from time to time.  Dr. Strange is one of my least favorite Heroes in the Marvel Universe.  Joaquin Phoenix would be a solid pick though.  I would go with Black Panther for Avengers 2.  Luke Cage should be part of a...Power Man Iron Fist film first.  It is always good to see another...Marvelite, on these boards.

Joel Edgerton as Strange? Yes, yes YEEEES.

Cap vs. the Punisher?

Out of all the places to post these rumors, why here?

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Cap vs. the Punisher?

 

Out of all the places to post these rumors, why here?

Cause chuds frikkin awesome. Duh.

But which Diamondback are we talking about? Willis Stryker of Luke Cage fame, or one of the female Diamondbacks (Rachel Leighton or Debbie Bertrand?) 

Edgerton as Strange is pretty damn good.

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 I've been a big fan of CHID for years.

CHID? Isn't that like the Thai bootleg version of CHUD?

OK, so playing devil's advocate and running with this a second... Edgerton as Strange? I like. The guy's been on the cusp of that big breakout role for at least a couple of years, and Strange may be a good candidate for that.

As much as I enjoy the idea of The Punisher being introduced as a villain and facing off against Cap, I'm not sure melding Cap 2 with the SHIELD movie is a great idea. Captain America was potentially the toughest sell of all of Marvel's stable, especially internationally, and while Johnson and Whedon treated him well I think he needs one more good standalone film to really legitimize him for the global audience. Even in Avengers he arguably had the lesser action beats than were granted the other characters, and it seems to me that cinematically they haven't quite nailed yet what Cap can do in his own right. Cramming SHIELD's story in runs the risk of setting a precedent of him not being able to sustain more than one movie on his own, IMO.

Black wants Kilmer in? why the hell not. Despite his reputation, Kilmer comes across as the kind of guy who'll contain his shit and bring his A-game under people he respects, and if his and Black's relationship is that good he could absolutely bring some good work. Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang was arguably his best performance in years.

Oooh Mr Wilcox you've reved my engine sir (even if these don't come to fruition).

These particular points interest me.

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- Doctor Stephen Strange will be a part of Thor 2, as a colleague of Jane Foster. His transformation into the Sorcerer Supreme will be paramount in the film's finale. Enchantress and Executioner will be main villains this time. The potential casting offers we have been hearing includes Milo Ventimiglia, Joaquin Phoenix and Joel Edgerton for Strange.

 

- Captain America 2 will also double as the S.H.I.E.L.D. movie. Marvel is interested in keeping Clark Gregg as the voice of a JARVIS-esque system for S.H.I.E.L.D., and is planning on bringing back Hayley Atwell as Sharon Carter. I've heard three rumors in terms of villain: The Punisher, Red Skull / Winter Soldier and Diamondback. No casting rumors as of yet, though I've heard it will feature much more of Black Widow / Hawkeye and there will be flashbacks.

Tying Dr Strange to the more fantasy friendly Thor is pretty savvy. Having his origin tie in with Asgard/The Enchantress just makes sense.

For Cap sequel I would say that The Winter Soldier being an antagonist is a given. Throwing The Punisher in is really intriguing though. He can't be a Spider-Man villain so why not put him in Cap.

SHEILD learn that a new modern arm of Hydra has surfaced with the mysterious "Winter Soldier" apparently running the show. Fury sends Cap to investigate. In the meantime, one of Hydras schemes pisses off Frank Castle and he moves in on them too. Both men coverge on the enemy with wildly different approaches in mind. Tensions escalate further when Cap realises who The Winter Soldier is. Excitement.

Val Kilmer as a Coulson replacement? Fuck that noise.

Anyone know why Marvel seems so keen to get Dr Strange to the movie screen before more marketable characters like The Runaways or Black Panther?

Any word on where the Blade rights sit these days?

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Anyone know why Marvel seems so keen to get Dr Strange to the movie screen before more marketable characters like The Runaways or Black Panther?

Feige.

Love Machine, Well considering Dr. Strange is a major player in...The Infinity Gauntlet, it makes sense to produce a Dr. Strange Film, before Thanos plays...GAUNTLET, with the Marvel Universe!  Dr. Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme of Marvel, so he will possibly be in...numerous films.

Well, there goes my hopes of a Godfather II style Captain American 2.  

Would have liked to see them go deeper, and show Captain's patriotism in WWII, and it's contrast today with the war on terror, and American's place in the world.

Well, here's hoping for the Winter Soldier.

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Any word on where the Blade rights sit these days?

Marvel has Blade, though after three movies, I imagine they'll let him sit for awhile.

Expecting Marvel to also get Ghost Rider back sooner or later, because duh.

Adding characters to the same universe is fine and dandy, I just don't want to see multiple cross overs, and a Avengers film that looks like the Royal Rumble in WWE.

Part of me would like to keep the Avengers intact with the addition of Black Panther and Carol Danvers. But I desperately want an Infinity Gauntlet movie and to do that, you need more than just the Avengers.

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Anyone know why Marvel seems so keen to get Dr Strange to the movie screen before more marketable characters like The Runaways or Black Panther?

 

Black Panther sounds like he's probably not too far behind on getting to the movie screen, but as a character, Strange is pretty important to the Marvel Universe as a whole.  The Runaways are about as far from that as you can get. They're generally not major crossover friendly and pretty much the whole mission statement of the characters is "have as little to do with these superhero dorks as possible."

If Marvel is looking to do more self-contained titles/franchises, then Runaways is a great choice, but if they're looking to "build the universe" then I'd expect other characters to show up first.

Runaways would almost work better as a TV series, all told.  The whole plotline seems like exactly the kind of thing ABC Family likes to put on the air these days.

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Adding characters to the same universe is fine and dandy, I just don't want to see multiple cross overs, and a Avengers film that looks like the Royal Rumble in WWE.

This is pretty much how I feel.  All these superhero films could be extremely fucking messy.

I hope we get the Zemos, Helmut or Heinrich, in either Cap 2 or Avengers 2(as leader of a Masters of Evil team).

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This is pretty much how I feel.  All these superhero films could be extremely fucking messy.

Yeah.  I wouldn't mind introducing characters in cameos or namedrops or whatever, but I'm hoping that the movies going forward would focus a little more on the characters they're purportedly about in the first place.  To be truthful some of these rumors sound a little TOO crossover-y to me, particularly given that pretty much the most frequent criticism of the Marvel films leading up to Avengers is that they feel too much like two hour long commercials for The Avengers.  Most people agreed the Black Widow was pretty superfluous in Iron Man 2.

The Cap/SHIELD thing sounds like it'd be too much, too.  I can understand SHIELD having a larger presence in his film than others, sure, but the movie should be about Captain America.  There's still a lot of fertile ground to cover with the character.  Let SHIELD have it's own frikkin' movie.

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I hope we get the Zemos, Helmut or Heinrich, in either Cap 2 or Avengers 2(as leader of a Masters of Evil team).

I dunno.  I think Zemo may have been robbed by not being involved with Bucky's death and with the Red Skull being turned into a scientist instead of the master spy/saboteur/terrorist he was in the comics.  Basically he'd just come across as Red Skull lite in a less cool outfit.  May as well use the Red Skull in that case.

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The Runaways are about as far from that as you can get. They're generally not major crossover friendly and pretty much the whole mission statement of the characters is "have as little to do with these superhero dorks as possible."

 

I don't know about that. The premise is that their supervillain parents cut a deal with Lovecraftian evil gods who want to destroy the world. It seems like pretty easy writing to tie that into Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet stuff.

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- Shane Black is trying to bring back Kiss Kiss Bang Bang actor Val Kilmer to play Alphonso "Mac" MacKensie as a replacement for Phil Coulson. Right now, the main negotiation problem is scheduling but Black is hoping to work around it.

Everything except this sounds pretty believable. Seriously what the hell?

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I don't know about that. The premise is that their supervillain parents cut a deal with Lovecraftian evil gods who want to destroy the world. It seems like pretty easy writing to tie that into Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet stuff.

Well, it's not hard to place them in the same universe, if that's what you're talking about, but I'm talking about interacting with the other characters of the Marvel Universe on any sort of semi-regular basis.  The Runaways are super powered but not superheroic.  They don't wear costumes and go out looking to fight crime and evil.  They're generally self-absorbed (as teenagers often are) and don't trust any "grown ups" (with understandable reason).  If there isn't a pressing personal stake in it for them (which sure, you can write one in if you really want), they're more likely to tell the Avengers to F-Off than to help them out.

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Black Panther sounds like he's probably not too far behind on getting to the movie screen, but as a character, Strange is pretty important to the Marvel Universe as a whole.  The Runaways are about as far from that as you can get. They're generally not major crossover friendly and pretty much the whole mission statement of the characters is "have as little to do with these superhero dorks as possible."

 

If Marvel is looking to do more self-contained titles/franchises, then Runaways is a great choice, but if they're looking to "build the universe" then I'd expect other characters to show up first.

 

Runaways would almost work better as a TV series, all told.  The whole plotline seems like exactly the kind of thing ABC Family likes to put on the air these days.

True, but I'd argue a tweeny team of freaky heroes would be more marketable than a grown up Harry Potter...hell as important to the 616 that Strange is, he struggles to support his own book.

Would anyone be opposed to Michael Jai White as Luke Cage? Because I think that would be pretty awesome.

As far as his friend Iron Fist goes... could we cast someone Asian? I know Danny Rand is white in the comics, but the fact that a white dude is deemed the most worthy of a mystical Asian powerset seems out-of-date now.

The entire Marvel Universe could use a little diversity. 

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True, but I'd argue a tweeny team of freaky heroes would be more marketable than a grown up Harry Potter...hell as important to the 616 that Strange is, he struggles to support his own book.

So do the Runaways.  Currently no book on the market.  Ironically enough, Joss Whedon played an (entirely unintentional) hand in that state of affairs...his run writing the book was pretty soundly rejected by the existing readers.

I'm not arguing that the Runaways aren't potentially marketable.  Just that they might not fit very well with the direction Feige wants to take the MCU as a whole.

Chris Spider, If you want an...Asian Martial Artist/Superhero, then...Master Of Kung Fu, would be...Awesome!  There is no need to change the race of the character of Danny Rand Kai aka Iron Fist.

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Would anyone be opposed to Michael Jai White as Luke Cage? Because I think that would be pretty awesome.

 

As far as his friend Iron Fist goes... could we cast someone Asian? I know Danny Rand is white in the comics, but the fact that a white dude is deemed the most worthy of a mystical Asian powerset seems out-of-date now.

My picks:

Eh, I was gonna give Black Panther to Chiwetel. I feel like Michael Jai White in Black Dynamite mode as Luke Cage would be golden.

Chiwetel Ejiofor as BP would be perfect casting...

Thanks! I feel like he could portray the mix of regality, badassery, and compassion in terrific ways. Note that I'm basing this character assessment on the awesome Christopher Priest run of BP, not the more recent Reginald Hudlin one where everybody is a total asshole.

Also, I think Amy Adams would *kill* it as Janet Van Dyne/The Wasp.

Chris Spider, You're right.  But instead of...The Winsome Wasp, the lovely Ms. Adams chose a different...Lane, on the...Road to success, as Superman's Gal...Lois, Ace Reporter of the Daily Planet!  Zooey Deschenel would be my pick, as Janet Van Dyne.

I want either Ejiofor for BP, or Colin Salmon. 

Out of all the speculation in Dalton's post, I really hope that Marvel starts to incorporate more female heroes and villains into their cinematic universe. Wasp, Enchantress and Diamondback would be interesting additions. Of all mentioned, I'd be rooting for Diamondback to show up in a Cap movie. In the comics, she seemed an equal match to Cap physically and her outgoing personality took him out of his usual comfort zone.

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Would anyone be opposed to Michael Jai White as Luke Cage? Because I think that would be pretty awesome.

 

As far as his friend Iron Fist goes... could we cast someone Asian? I know Danny Rand is white in the comics, but the fact that a white dude is deemed the most worthy of a mystical Asian powerset seems out-of-date now.

Yes, because Terry Crews was born to be Cage.
 

Yeah, Crews would be pretty awesome too.

Terry Crews as Luke Cage, and Scott Adkins as Iron Fist

I grew up reading my dad's comics and he had a ton of luke cage & iron fist issues.  I'd love to see a 70's period karate/action throwback take on the characters.  Complete with green spandex and golden, billowy blouses.  So I, too, must cast my vote for Adkins and White.

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Terry Crews as Luke Cage, and Scott Adkins as Iron Fist

 

Whenever I see Scott Adkins I first think Scott Adsit...

...and am always confused for the briefest of moments.

TonyRockyHorror, Marvel has collected Luke Cage Power Man in 2 Marvel Essentials, Ditto for Power Man And Iron Fist.  There is also the one Iron Fist Collection.  Even in Black and White both characters are...Awesome!  I would love to see a 70's set Power Man and Iron Fist.  You could even make it a tv series.

So for any folks more "in the know" than me...shouldn't Daredevil (if it hasn't already) and Fantastic Four be getting awfully close to reverting back to Marvel Studios' hands?  The former wouldn't surprise me if the rights holders simply let it revert, but I keep expecting to hear news of a super-rushed FF reboot/requel being greenlit (ala X-Men: First Class).

Re-acquiring the Fantastic Four and accompanying characters would be a pretty big "get" for Marvel.  Though I'd be curious to see how long they'd wait before putting their own FF film into production.

They already greenlit that a whole ago. Far as I know, it's still being worked. Word around the campfire is The Avengers gave Fox some serious pause as to how tight they're holding on to their Marvel licenses.